60 of my buddies vs the ack (hangars dropped)

[bustr]

You can win in the moment of any given engagement or, if you sign up for a winner takes all game event.

Just as your "Kill to Death" like mine will show you loose like I do and everyone else at any given time. And just like golf, it's up to you to fill in your card truthfully or how ever you please if you are simply playing 18 to play 18. Everyone playing this game eventualy makes a mistake and dies. Everyone playing this game has the same unlimited lives to take unlimited "Mulligans".

This game cannot be won. It can only be played.

Unless after all of these years it realy matters to you what anyone else thinks about the way you play in an unliitied lives free for all madhouse?

[Oddball-CAF]

I find it mildly amusing that a guy who I hear accused of cheating a lot of time, complains of hoarding.  Is that why you cheat, your hatred of hoarding missions?  I don't know you from a hole in the ground nor do I have any proof, I just hear people saying, "Debrody is spying again and such"

You oughtta be more careful of spreadin' crap like that about, Bender. Especially in your first (under that handle) post.
I've had my share of pissin' contests with Debrody in the past, but I've -never-, repeat, -never-, seen or heard
anything about him being either a "cheat" or a "spy". You'd better go find another ankle to hump, cuz I
can guarantee you that nobody in here who's flown with or against Debrody is buyin' into that load
of malarkey you just posted.

Oddball

[tunnelrat]

You oughtta be more careful of spreadin' crap like that about, Bender. Especially in your first (under that handle) post.
I've had my share of pissin' contests with Debrody in the past, but I've -never-, repeat, -never-, seen or heard
anything about him being either a "cheat" or a "spy". You'd better go find another ankle to hump, cuz I
can guarantee you that nobody in here who's flown with or against Debrody is buyin' into that load
of malarkey you just posted.

Oddball

I completely concur...  Debrody might be a avacado, but he's no cheater.

[Shuffler]

Still im curious about the horders opinion about themselves.

I'll chime in here. I've now had 2 of the v guys express interest in setting up training for their guys. From what I gather there is quite a bit of interest internally for the group to improve. I'm not sure if it is a direct reaction to outside pressure or just a group of guys gaining experience and wanting to move to the next phase.

In either case I think the v guys may be doing some improvement in areas hitherto unheard of by the outside masses.

I see that as a plus.

[Lusche]

I I'm not sure if it is a direct reaction to outside pressure or just a group of guys gaining experience and wanting to move to the next phase.

I'd see that more like following the standard AH evolutionary pattern of squads. AT some point almost everybody is getting bored by the 10th quick, unopposed base capture during a night. But don't worry, if that really happens to the V's now, the next basegrabbin megasquad will surely show up soon. they always do



Generally speaking, peer pressure rarely works, particularly not when being thrown out in a very negative way, i.e. insulting people, calling out their "lamery" and so on. That only tends to reinforce such habits ("Everybody is calling us tards, so let's show them how tardy we really can be!"). Pressure induces counter-pressure.

Set an example, guide players, train them, help them and accept when they don't follow your way all the time. That's the way of changing things, but of course that's laborious, slow and doesn't give the instant 1337 feeling as throwing out insults on CH200

[surfinn]

Got to say I've actually met a couple of Vs in 1v1 combat recently and enjoyed the fight. It was their top flyer's but I was still impressed that they stayed in and fought instead of running to the ack or the nearest mass of bad guys.  to you guys. ( I still reserve the right to complain when ya jump me in mass though ) 

[Threeup]

Haters gonna hate
.
Playas ‘gon play.

I have absolutely no idea what that means. I’m not even convinced it’s English.

V Crew are frustrating at times, but they seem to pay their subscription and, to that end, can do what they like. And I think they enjoy what they do. If they enjoy it more than anyone else, they win. And to the rest of us, I like it when they’re coming to a base near me. It’s a good chance to beat back the foe and kill some pixelated planes in the process.

V-guys posts are cool – they dig the game, like we all do. The Musketeers lack of anything resembling “having a go” annoys me – same deal. The Fishing, Ho’ing, Running, score mongering, English is my third language crew annoy me – same deal. The last two groups annoy me for probably the same reason they annoy DeBrody – lack of respect for the fight – total respect for the score.

And whilst mentioning DeBrody, I wouldn’t be using his handle and the word cheat in the same sentence, post or internet page. From my viewpoint, he is one of the shining lights in a game peppered with mediocrity. He flies well, is a great stick to fight against or fight with and takes his wins and losses with equal grace.

In short, a good guy.

Public retraction in order Champ. 

[Midway]

Haters gonna hate
.
Playas ‘gon play.

I have absolutely no idea what that means. I’m not even convinced it’s English.

V Crew are frustrating at times, but they seem to pay their subscription and, to that end, can do what they like. And I think they enjoy what they do. If they enjoy it more than anyone else, they win. And to the rest of us, I like it when they’re coming to a base near me. It’s a good chance to beat back the foe and kill some pixelated planes in the process.

V-guys posts are cool – they dig the game, like we all do. The Musketeers lack of anything resembling “having a go” annoys me – same deal. The Fishing, Ho’ing, Running, score mongering, English is my third language crew annoy me – same deal. The last two groups annoy me for probably the same reason they annoy DeBrody – lack of respect for the fight – total respect for the score.

And whilst mentioning DeBrody, I wouldn’t be using his handle and the word cheat in the same sentence, post or internet page. From my viewpoint, he is one of the shining lights in a game peppered with mediocrity. He flies well, is a great stick to fight against or fight with and takes his wins and losses with equal grace.

In short, a good guy.

Public retraction in order Champ.  

  Try picking him in the MA a few times.  

Just sayin...

Otherwise, I agree, for the most part.  

[Debrody]

Thanks Threeup,
still, i never meant to offend anyone with this topic.
     I know two vguys who are jerks, i cant stand him, but the others arent bad folks at all. To be honest, i would rather play with them than the "im in a spixteen/pony/4hog/tempy, im at 20k, i BnZed you to death, die beyotch, my score is better than yours muwhaha" ones. Thats why i wanted to understand why they do what they do. Its better for my little soul if i can accept it.
     As for being a good one... you decide, i found myself to be horrible. I give back exactly what i got: if a good fight, then a salute, if crap, then the same crap. Anyway, im inactive right now, trying to forget the boring/annoying stuff and remember the niceties. Couse all i need now is just a little peace...

Pure luck Midway is ignored and i dont have to see the scum he is trying to throw at me... or its just my wicked mind?

[Midway]

Thanks Threeup,
still, i never meant to offend anyone with this topic.
     I know two vguys who are jerks, i cant stand him, but the others arent bad folks at all. To be honest, i would rather play with them than the "im in a spixteen/pony/4hog/tempy, im at 20k, i BnZed you to death, die beyotch, my score is better than yours muwhaha" ones. Thats why i wanted to understand why they do what they do. Its better for my little soul if i can accept it.
     As for being a good one... you decide, i found myself to be horrible. I give back exactly what i got: if a good fight, then a salute, if crap, then the same crap. Anyway, im inactive right now, trying to forget the boring/annoying stuff and remember the niceties. Couse all i need now is just a little peace...

Pure luck Midway is ignored and i dont have to see the scum he is trying to throw at me... or its just my wicked mind?

Oh come on... you know you looked... How can you not look?

[Hap]

I'd see that more like following the standard AH evolutionary pattern of squads. AT some point almost everybody is getting bored by the 10th quick, unopposed base capture during a night. But don't worry, if that really happens to the V's now, the next basegrabbin megasquad will surely show up soon. they always do



Generally speaking, peer pressure rarely works, particularly not when being thrown out in a very negative way, i.e. insulting people, calling out their "lamery" and so on. That only tends to reinforce such habits ("Everybody is calling us tards, so let's show them how tardy we really can be!"). Pressure induces counter-pressure.

Set an example, guide players, train them, help them and accept when they don't follow your way all the time. That's the way of changing things, but of course that's laborious, slow and doesn't give the instant 1337 feeling as throwing out insults on CH200

[Debrody]

see vBobo, vJazzi or (v)Woody. Its working.  

[Dead Man Flying]

Why horde?  Because it's fun, it's effective, and it works.  And as Lusche's data show in another thread, new players see pretty significant improvement over their first year in terms of game stats (K/D, K/S, etc).  I have to assume that this includes players flying in hordes as much as anyone else, so even in the horde they manage to demonstrably improve their performance.

The short version: AH rewards and encourages hording, so we see hording.

[oboe]

Why horde?  Because it's fun, it's effective, and it works.  And as Lusche's data show in another thread, new players see pretty significant improvement over their first year in terms of game stats (K/D, K/S, etc).  I have to assume that this includes players flying in hordes as much as anyone else, so even in the horde they manage to demonstrably improve their performance.

The short version: AH rewards and encourages hording, so we see hording.

Hording might even be considered human nature - not that much different from early humans banding together for common defense or exploitation of weaker groups that possess something the larger group wants.

Behavior can be altered though, especially in a game like AH where conditions can be controlled.  What if, for example, the initial map state had random but equal field ownership all over the map, instead of starting with a large contiguous area for each country?  Sortof like the random start in Risk.   There would be dozens of fronts, and fights would be theoretically be smaller, shorter distance to get to, etc.  I imagine it would be quite an active map while countries tried to consolidate contiguous zones of control.

[Lusche]

What if, for example, the initial map state had random but equal field ownership all over the map, instead of starting with a large contiguous area for each country? 

It would not change the general tendency to "join up". We would still have a few 'hordes' flying around, with possibly even less chances of seeing them run into each other. The main difference would be much more bases being hit by surprise raids or being sneak, because you can't keep attention or even cover them all.

IMHO, for gameplay this would be much worse than the current set up. I would wish for less fragmentation, not more.