Tank poll

[Karnak]

So the La7 was taxiing then ?

No, he was flying at low altitude.  I could see the ground as well as the the La-7.  I was on a slight rise exchanging shots with a tank about 2000 yards away.

[Wiley]

So the La7 was taxiing then ?

So...  Quick googlage shows a FOV of 8 degrees displays 14.1 meters at 100 meters.  That means at 1000 meters, you've got a 141m field of view.  If you're engaging the enemy tanks at distance, having the scope elevated so 3/4 of the circle is above the horizon is pretty common.  That means if the aircraft is below about 300 feet it can be seen.

Seems to me that's a pretty decent sized circle to see a low flying aircraft with, and if it's coming right down your throat, to track it.  This is all using your own numbers, explain why it can't be done again?

Wiley.

[Nathan60]

so you fired at the tank and the la-7 that was on the deck flew into your shot.  To help people visualise Imagine a pitcher throwing the ball to home when a bird intercepts  said  ball on the way to catcher.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwpRHrAh3pk
No tracking involved the plane was wrong place art wrong time right? So la-7s shouldnt buzz friendly tanks when ther are bad guys around.  I think this is the point being made.

[hlbly]

No, he was flying at low altitude.  I could see the ground as well as the the La-7.  I was on a slight rise exchanging shots with a tank about 2000 yards away.

Flat out wrong ? I said it would not happen , implying in real life . It would not happen in real life . No fighter is going to attack a tank at, using height of a sherman ,less than 8 feet off the ground . Come on Karnak use some degree of realism . You are saying that a fighter or any aircraft would make an attack at less than 10 feet altitude ? Does that even happen in here ? How do you get guns on target for a shot at > 10 feet ? I state again it WOULD NOT HAPPEN . I say again NO PLANE DURING WW2 WAS EVER SHOT DOWN WITH A MAIN GUN . The approach profile of almost every strafing attack in WW2 on tanks would have allowed it to happen all the time IF THINGS worked as they do here . They don't your complete lack of any reference to it ever happening speaks volumes . Your argument that you did it in game is meaningless . I grant it can happen in game . That was my whole point . I say it can't happen in rl . It hasn't happened in real life . IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE . Once again show me a GOOD reference where it has happened .

[Nathan60]

also you guys are just copying other  GAMES forums with this  purse figth

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/42806-Killed-by-Tank-Main-Gun-Forums

[WWhiskey]

Flat out wrong ? I said it would not happen , implying in real life . It would not happen in real life . No fighter is going to attack a tank at, using height of a sherman ,less than 8 feet off the ground . Come on Karnak use some degree of realism . You are saying that a fighter or any aircraft would make an attack at less than 10 feet altitude ? Does that even happen in here ? How do you get guns on target for a shot at > 10 feet ? I state again it WOULD NOT HAPPEN . I say again NO PLANE DURING WW2 WAS EVER SHOT DOWN WITH A MAIN GUN . The approach profile of almost every strafing attack in WW2 on tanks would have allowed it to happen all the time IF THINGS worked as they do here . They don't your complete lack of any reference to it ever happening speaks volumes . Your argument that you did it in game is meaningless . I grant it can happen in game . That was my whole point . I say it can't happen in rl . It hasn't happened in real life . IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE . Once again show me a GOOD reference where it has happened .

You still have not answered my question!

[Karnak]

I estimate that the La-7 was about 30ft above the ground when he died.  Remember, I was on a slight rise and was engaged with a tank 2000 yards away requiring some elevation of my gun.

All your talk about realism is irrelevant in the game.  People do all sorts of unrealistic and suicidal things in the game because you don't really die.  Thus your claim that it would not happen doesn't bear.

[Ack-Ack]

Flat out wrong ? I said it would not happen , implying in real life . It would not happen in real life . No fighter is going to attack a tank at, using height of a sherman ,less than 8 feet off the ground . Come on Karnak use some degree of realism . You are saying that a fighter or any aircraft would make an attack at less than 10 feet altitude ? Does that even happen in here ? How do you get guns on target for a shot at > 10 feet ? I state again it WOULD NOT HAPPEN . I say again NO PLANE DURING WW2 WAS EVER SHOT DOWN WITH A MAIN GUN . The approach profile of almost every strafing attack in WW2 on tanks would have allowed it to happen all the time IF THINGS worked as they do here . They don't your complete lack of any reference to it ever happening speaks volumes . Your argument that you did it in game is meaningless . I grant it can happen in game . That was my whole point . I say it can't happen in rl . It hasn't happened in real life . IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE . Once again show me a GOOD reference where it has happened .

Regardless if a plane was actually shot down in real life still doesn't change the fact that tanks firing at planes in game is not some gamey aspect with no basis in historical fact.  There is ample evidence that tanks did shoot at low flying attacking planes, whether or not they were successful is irrelevant, the fact is they did shoot at them is really all that matters.

ack-ack

[Chalenge]

My advice is to drive into dense growth and when planes fly over shoot the tops of the trees with HE. There will be a LOT more aircraft killed that way. I have fought my way out of enough real pickles to know.

[Tank-Ace]

Lets not forget that the "idiot/newb:skilled" ratio is immeasurably higher in AH than it is in real life. Why? Because in AH, idiots and newbs get a second chance, in real life they don't. In real life, if you're stupid or just make a mistake, you don't often get a second chance to learn. In low-altitude flying, I would be amazed if anyone got a second chance. This means that in real life, there would be much fewer idiots flying strait down your gun barrel than is true in the game.

Also, because we get second chances in Aces High, people often get careless. So theres even MORE stupid-attacks being made than the ratio would suggest.



So, in game, we have more people being stupid, and more being careless than is true in real life. We have more engagments than in real life. We have an easier time of aiming, now that we can conn. the turret from the commander's possition.

Take all that into account, and it would be an absolute mirical if somebody HADN'T been shot down by a tank's main cannon by now.

[Ack-Ack]

Take all that into account, and it would be an absolute mirical if somebody HADN'T been shot down by a tank's main cannon by now.

While not a tank gun, this Caribou was shot down by a 105mm howitzer.

A U.S. twin-engine transport Caribou crashes after being hit by American artillery near Duc Pho on August 3, 1967. U.S. artillery accidentally shot down the ammunition-laden plane, which crossed a firing zone while trying to land at the U.S. Special Forces camp. All three crewman died in the crash.

ack-ack

[save]

without range icon , you dont hit anything flying around, with a tank.

I've scored one helicopter "kill" using bt-41 laser system, during a drill, using target computer at closer range with a 90mm tank gun.
we shot targetpractising with mg's against flying targets towed by c47's flying straight close nearby.

There are many reasons you do not hit planes with main gun in tanks IRL.

Crew workload, if you do not have a shot ready in the barrel , not even think about it.
                     Gunner view arc is VERY limited, also he will not be supplied with range for adjustment to range at something flying  ( icons are rare IRL  )
                    If you finally track the flying target with main gun , still not knowing range , and you see through magnification , I say chances are close to 0.
                     Gun traversals and preciseness using electrics tricky ww2.
                     If tank is not exactly level in all axis difficulty are increased even higher.

[TDeacon]

Why has this degenerated into a "I want to kill more GVs" thread??

MH

[R 105]

How many of us do you think don't have military experiance?
I used to fly target drones for the US Army , we did infantry qualifacation for small arms all the way up to live fire missiles at Creete and everything in between, I've watched m-60 and M1 main guns track aircraft
I've read of the WW2 accounts of aircraft on the eastern front having to fly high to avoid main gun rounds and the tanks that would Park "gun up" to be able to fire on them , a new tactic at the time to stop the planes from coming in low to avoid detection for fear of getting hit by a main gun round, if I wasn't at work, I'd dig it up for you to read! If I can hit a plane on the ground, then I can hit it on the move, if I can hit it on the move, then there is no reason why I wouldn't be able to hit above the ground, if it is flying into the gun and I side of an arc that would prevent the round from going anywhere but strait, flat and true, and my gun sight is full of plane, it would be a physical impossibility to miss it!
If I were aiming at the 6th story of a building and 2k out and could hit it, there is no reason I couldn't hit it if it were moving 200 mph, strait at me, may e not the sixth floor but whatever part of the building is still infront of my gun when I fire, is going to get a round put thru it!

Eastern front? It must be a Russian account and Joe Stalin and his crowd would never make something up lol. Like I said if a tank hit a plane in flight it was an accident and nothing that could be done by design. I don't know about the M-1 Abram tank but I know no one tracked a plane with the sights in an M-48 or M-60 tank sight. Shooting tanks in this game is just that a game effect and has no relation to the real world. 

[Wiley]

I don't know about the M-1 Abram tank but I know no one tracked a plane with the sights in an M-48 or M-60 tank sight. Shooting tanks in this game is just that a game effect and has no relation to the real world. 

Why?  What's the FOV?

An additional question I've been wondering about for a while: What was the procedure for the gunner to move the gun in these tanks?  Was it a wheel for rotation and a wheel for elevation?  Was it some kind of joystick?  Google appears to be failing me in answering this question.

Wiley.