Me410

[Debrody]

@GScholz
i made a typo, our 210Cas were equipped with DB605Bs, not Ds. I think they werent equipped with MW-50 til '44 late Spring, just like most of the hungarian produced 109Gs, powered by DB605A-s.
Whats the difference between the DB-605 A and B?

[Wmaker]

Whats the difference between the DB-605 A and B?

As far as Aces High goes, they are practically identical. IIRC there's a slight difference in compression ratios between the cylinder banks. They produce the same amount of power as the A-1.

[Denniss]

The only difference between DB 605A and 605B is the propeller gear, 605A has an 1,685:1 reduction gear while the 605B has an 1,875:1 reduction gear (i.e. spinning the prop at less rev given the same engine revs).
Similar subvariants were planned for 605AS (605BS) and 605D (605E) and were existing for the DB 601 although with different prop gears.

[icepac]

Higher revs are more horsepower and the germans revved some of thier engines a bit higher than most.

[GScholz]

Debrody, did the 210Ca achieve the speeds you posted without MW50 injection? (I.e. 1455 hp per engine.)

[Krusty]

The 210Ca didn't have MW50 setup. It's not just a magical thing. It takes a lot of plumbing and storage tanks and weighs a lot.

It wasn't part of the 210Ca design, so it wasn't there. Those horsepower settings were just standard WEP (like our 109G-6 --- no MW50, just a higher power setting).

[Scherf]

I've seen only two speeds curves for 410.

No doubt this is the other one, from the Rechlin Kennblatt.




Both graphs show the 410 at MIL, 2500 revs and 1.3 ata. WEP was 2700 and 1.4 ata. WMaker's published the engine power curves for WEP and MIL here before, I assume HTC exrrapolated the WEP speed curve from the known MIL speed curve and known engine power curves. I hear some online whining about top speed but beyond "it says so on teh intardnetz" they don't offer up much to support their case.

[SmokinLoon]

your mother wears combat boots!   

Being Irish, that is quite hypocritical.   

There is nothing special about the Me410, save maybe for the potato launcher it can use for hunting bombers.  Otherwise, performance wise I do believe it falls behind the Mossi Mk IV rather quickly, offers a bit of diversity in terms of guns but nothing superior, and in ordnance it can't match up.  Compared to the 110G-2, performance is marginally better in terms of speed but turn rate, climb, and ease of use is questionable.  Gun packages are apple vs orange (similar to vs Mossi).

I look at it as having 3 different screwdrivers in my tool pouch and the only real difference is the color of the handle and the length of the shank.  In the end, they will all screw the enemy well enough.        

[save]

The P-38 is the only twin engined aircraft in AH that I really count as a full fledged fighter.  The Mosquito is almost there and the Bf110G-2 isn't too far behind.

The A20 is better fighter than either the 110g or 410 will ever be, (probably even with 4k of bombs in it), just for fun i would like to see turn charts for the a20 vs the other 2 engine planes we are talking about.

[save]

the 410 frequently flew as shadow plane, with the bomb-groups attacking cities in Germany, looking for weaknesses in the escort or  in its combat boxes.

In here it can barely keep up with a bloody lancaster flying in formation of 3.
I suggested in the wishlist, either fly at IRL formation speed , or lose drones.

I'd like to thank AH for the addition of the ME-410 and new Stuka.  I flew both yesterday offline to evaluate and found the modeling superb for each.  While I don't expect either to compete with perked  (or near perked) dog fighters, I found their ability to perform their intended roles very effective.  It is going to be a blast flying in and against them.

Nicely done!  

[Lusche]

In here it can barely keep up with a bloody lancaster flying in formation of 3.

[Denniss]

The A20 is better fighter than either the 110g or 410 will ever be, (probably even with 4k of bombs in it), just for fun i would like to see turn charts for the a20 vs the other 2 engine planes we are talking about.

If I remember right no A-20 could mount 4k bombs internally, later versions could mount the standard 2k internal + another 2k external.

[titanic3]

110 will eat an A20.  

Calling cobia38 to the scene! 

[Karnak]

The A20 is better fighter than either the 110g or 410 will ever be, (probably even with 4k of bombs in it), just for fun i would like to see turn charts for the a20 vs the other 2 engine planes we are talking about.

I have numbers based on my own tests.  All twin engined fighters have the advantage over the A-20G, unless they turn with it.  They are all faster and climb better (though the climb advantage of the Me410 is marginal against an unladen A-20G).

[Krupinski]

110 will eat an A20.  

Calling cobia38 to the scene! 

That's an under statement..  110 eats F4Us and spits.