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Offline Melvin

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #195 on: July 27, 2012, 09:41:18 PM »



weird how the biggest massacres have happened on the battlefield when everyone had guns.



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Yes semp, it certainly is weird that soldiers from warring nations might have guns.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #196 on: July 27, 2012, 10:46:56 PM »
One more point about the idea that these people will find ways to acquire illegal weapons to aid their rampages. Are fully-automatic weapons (registered after 1986) illegal? Why are fully-automatic weapons not showing up at the sites of these rampages?

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Illegal full autos have shown up. Google LA bank robbery and go from there.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #197 on: July 27, 2012, 11:23:51 PM »
Illegal full autos have shown up. Google LA bank robbery and go from there.

First off, I believe that there is a distinction between rampages such as Aurora where the only goal is to kill and wreak havoc on innocent civilians and a bank robbery gone horribly wrong. Obviously havoc on police and innocent civilians alike was definitely the result of the North Hollywood shootout, but the goal was to steal money. They didn't draw stick figures, or write a letter telling of the impending carnage to a psychologist, or write a manifesto. They were criminals trying to steal money and had used the heavily armed tactic before. I couldn't tell you if they had purchased the guns legally or not, but it doesn't make much of a difference. People such as them, true criminals who want to rob and steal and kill if necessary to accomplish the aforementioned, or gang members, or neo-nazis, etc. would not be affected much, if at all, by a standard-capacity magazine ban, and I've said as much many times. I'm talking about psychopathic mass murderers such as the perpetrators in Tucson, Aurora, etc. In almost every instance they have legally acquired weapons (even the tear gas Holmes used is legal in Colorado) and use them to deadly effect. They don't have the black market access that true criminals have and rely on the available tools instead. Full-auto weapons are not available to those people and are consequently not used even though their killing potential is much greater. Ban further sale of standard capacity magazines and people like Jared Lee Loughner and James Holmes don't have them.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #198 on: July 27, 2012, 11:33:49 PM »

Yes semp, it certainly is weird that soldiers from warring nations might have guns.  :rolleyes:


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my response was to someone who posted that no massacres happen at shooting ranges.   due to everyone having a gun.   perhaps you should get that paper bag on fire off your head and Google how many have happened in our bases where just about every body had a gun.   either by our own soldiers or allies.


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #199 on: July 27, 2012, 11:49:53 PM »
my response was to someone who posted that no massacres happen at shooting ranges.   due to everyone having a gun.   perhaps you should get that paper bag on fire off your head and Google how many have happened in our bases where just about every body had a gun.   either by our own soldiers or allies.


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What do you mean "our bases?"  I'm no expert, but in many domestic military bases, soldiers are not allowed to have firearms on base.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #200 on: July 28, 2012, 12:42:25 AM »
weird how the biggest massacres have happened on the battlefield when everyone had guns.
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Civilian life isn't supposed to be war. That's the whole point of society. And before you respond, no, guns are not the only variable that defines that difference.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #201 on: July 28, 2012, 12:49:12 AM »
What do you mean "our bases?"  I'm no expert, but in many domestic military bases, soldiers are not allowed to have firearms on base.

our bases in iraq and Afghanistan.  I remember at least two americans shooting other americans at our bases in iraq and several afghans or Iraq troops opening fire on coalltion forces (or whatever you call them).  point is just because everybody has a gun it doesnt mean it will stop somebody from opening fire and killing as many as he can like widewing posted in his picture that no massacres happens at shooting ranges.

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also you may have forgotten the mom that killed her son and herself at the shooting range.  if you google the video you will see people just standing there not understanding what is happening.  she could've just as easy walk down the isle and shoot many more if that was her intention before anybody else noticed it.


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #202 on: July 28, 2012, 12:50:12 AM »
Civilian life isn't supposed to be war. That's the whole point of society. And before you respond, no, guns are not the only variable that defines that difference.

you have to read the quote i am responding to in order to understand what my comment is about.


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #203 on: July 28, 2012, 01:01:48 AM »
Civilian life isn't supposed to be war. That's the whole point of society. And before you respond, no, guns are not the only variable that defines that difference.

southern california rush hour traffic is the next closest thing. I've seen people get out with box cutters and pull people from their cars.
ever been in the ER on a friday night? I've never seen so many drunken stabbed people in one place in my life. the only thing missing is the 64's buzzin over cookin off rockets. In a way civi life is war

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #204 on: July 28, 2012, 04:12:45 AM »

Yes semp, it certainly is weird that soldiers from warring nations might have guns.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #205 on: July 28, 2012, 05:29:13 AM »
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #206 on: July 28, 2012, 11:46:41 PM »
It's a waste of time. After banning some type of gun or accessory, they will pat themselves on the back and think they solved something while people continue to die, when you could have spent that effort trying to improve something with the mental health system.

I already mentioned how Jared Loughner was kicked out of college and the campus police informed him he couldn't return until he was evaluated for the potential to be dangerous, but there is no provision in all this for him to be put on a prohibited possessors list.

Now we are learning that this Holmes guy may have been under psychiatric care.

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« Reply #207 on: July 29, 2012, 12:39:31 AM »
It's a waste of time. After banning some type of gun or accessory, they will pat themselves on the back and think they solved something while people continue to die, when you could have spent that effort trying to improve something with the mental health system.

I already mentioned how Jared Loughner was kicked out of college and the campus police informed him he couldn't return until he was evaluated for the potential to be dangerous, but there is no provision in all this for him to be put on a prohibited possessors list.

Now we are learning that this Holmes guy may have been under psychiatric care.

An improvement to the mental health system might prevent these rampages before they happen, while a standard-capacity magazine ban would lessen the carnage when they do. Now we're getting somewhere.  :)

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #208 on: July 29, 2012, 12:46:56 AM »
An improvement to the mental health system might prevent these rampages before they happen, while a standard-capacity magazine ban would lessen the carnage when they do. Now we're getting somewhere.  :)

I fully support a major improvement in the mental health system.  In the long term, it can actually save a state a lot of money.  Unfortunately, people's memories are short and politicians want something that appears a quick fix, but I digress.  Just because people acquire things when they are legal, doesn't mean they won't acquire them when they're illegal.  It doesn't matter if you make it illegal or not (guns, alcohol, drugs), people who want it, will get it.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #209 on: July 29, 2012, 12:52:47 AM »
I fully support a major improvement in the mental health system.  In the long term, it can actually save a state a lot of money.  Unfortunately, people's memories are short and politicians want something that appears a quick fix, but I digress.  Just because people acquire things when they are legal, doesn't mean they won't acquire them when they're illegal.  It doesn't matter if you make it illegal or not (guns, alcohol, drugs), people who want it, will get it.

I've used the case of full-auto guns to support my case that the psychopaths that go on these rampages don't acquire their weapons illegally. No doubt full-auto guns would aid their deadly intentions, but they don't have or use them. True criminals still use them, and Slash pointed out the example of the North Hollywood bank robbery/shootout, but I believe there is a distinction and explained it more in-depth a couple posts back.