150 octane fuel

[Debrody]

meteor??      

do-335. 1:1

[Guppy35]

meteor??      

And we're still not chasing V-1s

[danny76]

If anyone bothered to read WW2 history, yes the US, UK, Poland, USSR, New Zealand, Rhodesia, Australia, India, France, Greece, Netherlands, China and many many others beat the Germans and the Japanese because the US, UK, USSR and many others kept improving their technology and output volumes to beat their enemies while blowing the snot out of them with hoards of hot aircraft. And the P51D and P51B\C were both OKed to run on 150 by 8\44 as a standard. With Merlin 66 spits, P51D, spit14 and TempestV on 150, maybe adjusting perk assingments and values would need their occasional review by HTC. Then the LWMA furballs might get more intersting because the K4 would not be able to hang everyone up beneith it with it's WEP. It would simply be one of several unperked WEP monster late war rides available in the LWMA instead of "the" unperked monster WEP ride. I really couldn't see the P51D using 150 perked more than 8-10 or even that.

Fixed that for you

[kvuo75]

chasing runners

don't chase, they wont run. usually if you turn around, they get bold and chase back, just like an ill-trained dog.  they're all yours at that point.

[bustr]

The K4 as modeled in AH emerged into a war with Allied late war fighters running on 150 Grade.

This made it an equal, not the current unperked WEP monster we see in the LWMA. The SpitXIV as is does not warrent it's perk modeled on Brit 125 octane. It cannot out run the spit8 or 16 on the deck modeled for 125 octane. Put it on 150 and it warrents a much higher perk than it currently is at including out running the Merlin66 powered spits. The K4's WEP will cease being the deciding factor in so many fights. K4 drivers who are exellent 109 drivers will still be excellent 109 drivers. They just won't have WEP as the final extra bit that makes the K4 more equal than it's 125 and 130 octane contemporaries that it didn't meet over the continent.

If the K4's WEP in WW2 at the time it emerged was as magical as it is in Aces High, we would be reading Brit and US documents warning about engaging with the K4. When it was encountered, Allied fighters on 150 Grade saw it as another 109 varient that their aircraft wasn't out classed by. Even the 262 faced a sky full of 150 ocatne burning allied fighters and they succeded in countering it's jet engines. Fuel additives for the Allies were as viable and valid a technology as the engine technology improvments in the DB605 engine that achived 2000hp on boost.

I understand the 262's jet technology being radicly superior over piston technology and that it was a historic fact of the war. The same kind of technology historical fact, is that the K4 emerged into a sky competeing against 150 octane powered fighters that were its equal. Specificly because the allies forsaw needing to introduce fuel additive technology to make their fighters equal competitors or superior to what they beleived germany would feild in the last 12 months of the war.

The K4 faced the 150 octane burning SpitXIV and had littel perceptable advantage over it unlike the current 125 octane burning SpitXIV in the game.

Knowing this fact of WW2 history that the K4 faced 150 octane burning fighters only as an equal. Why do you gentelmen really want Merlin66 spits, spitXIV, Tempest and P51 limited to pre D-Day allied fuel technology with the known performance limitations? You have the tonnage reports that proves this fact for the last 11 months of the war starting 3 months before the K4 emerged into the conflict as only an equal.

What are you afraid of?

[save]

Give allied 150 or 200 octane fuel, i dont give a damn, only makes humiliation greater when they get shot up in an overweight A8 

Just make sure Lancaster and A20 still out turn A8s with full bomb load as before, and add 20mm Hispanos for the A20 instead of puny little mg's they have now, Im sure they had them somewhere. and let the drones follow through all these stupid manoeuvres Lancs can do, still shooting with deadly accuracy at 4g turns 1000 out.

How much faster could a Lanc, A20 fly with 150 octance ?


And something really is wrong with the spit14, it fly like s*th as it is now. t was considered to be one of the best fighters during the war.

[Debrody]

This made it an equal, not the current unperked WEP monster we see in the LWMA. The SpitXIV as is does not warrent it's perk modeled on Brit 125 octane. It cannot out run the spit8 or 16 on the deck modeled for 125 octane.

Stopped reading here. Plain nonsense.
Visit this place: http://www.hitechcreations.com/component/option,com_ahplaneperf/Itemid,221/view,ahplaneperf/index.php

One thing: what im afraid of: the spit16 already outturns, outruns, outaccelerates, outguns, ouclimbs, outrolls, outUPLIFTS my aircraft yet they are already running from me.
If thats not enough for you, idk what else you want, Mr Wall-O-Text. This conversation is totally retarded when one has everything and he is the one whining for even more.
This is what im afraid of. DOH But it looks more like its your Spit16 being afraid of a G6. Cheers.

<holding breath> <moving away from what smells> <deep sigh>

[bozon]

What are you afraid of?

Power creep. This will render anything not 1945 on 150 fuel even more disadvantaged. There currently is no great K4 scourge - when there is one, it can be solved with a token perk cost. Works like a charm on the Chog and its not like there aren't other perfectly capable and free 109s to fly, if somehow you cannot afford a single digit perk cost.

If I was running the show, this game would have been mid-war arena. I am sure most players glad I don't.

[titanic3]

IMO, K4 is fine, it's the only German fighter that can catch and outfly most Allied planes (190D cannot out fly but they'll BnZ you to death). You don't see hordes of K4s and Doras, but you see a crap ton of P51s and Spit16s. I don't see AH as a 100% historical sim, because if it was, well, it wouldn't be a very fun game.

I see the K4 as a balancing factor, each country gets their own LW monster that can compete in the MA.

109K4, 190D, Me-262
Spit16, P51D, P47M, Tempest
La-7, Yak-9U (to a lesser extent)

The Japs and the Italians should be the ones that are against this wish.

Add the G.55 for the Italians (hey, we have the Ta-152, G.55 meets the criteria). And for the Japanese, I'm not sure what their LW monster ride is.

[ink]

IMO, K4 is fine, it's the only German fighter that can catch and outfly most Allied planes (190D cannot out fly but they'll BnZ you to death). You don't see hordes of K4s and Doras, but you see a crap ton of P51s and Spit16s. I don't see AH as a 100% historical sim, because if it was, well, it wouldn't be a very fun game.

I see the K4 as a balancing factor, each country gets their own LW monster that can compete in the MA.

109K4, 190D, Me-262
Spit16, P51D, P47M, Tempest
La-7, Yak-9U (to a lesser extent)

The Japs and the Italians should be the ones that are against this wish.

Add the G.55 for the Italians (hey, we have the Ta-152, G.55 meets the criteria). And for the Japanese, I'm not sure what their LW monster ride is.

the 4 20 mm KI84

[titanic3]

the 4 20 mm KI84

Hmm, I'm curious though, if we get the Ki-84 Otsu, does the N1K turn into a hangar queen? 

[Fox]

For Germany, which plane versions used the higher octane fuel?  The allied planes show 20-30 mph at sea level improvement.  How much was the improvement in speed and climb for the German planes using C3 (or whatever they called it)?

[Karnak]

Hmm, I'm curious though, if we get the Ki-84 Otsu, does the N1K turn into a hangar queen?  

No.  The N1K2-J carries a lot more ammo, each round of which is more potent and, due to the low rate of fire of the Type 99 Model 2s the N1K2-J has the high rate of fire the Ki-84 has, the ammo endurance is even more exaggerated.

do-335. 1:1

Except, you know, the Meteor saw active service and combat and the Do335 saw neither....

[RTHolmes]

ROF rules!

[Debrody]

Except, you know, the Meteor saw active service and combat and the Do335 saw neither....

of course, Karnak. Still they are at the same level in my eyes. Was just the anger speaking instead of me.