Bf-109F Ordinance

[Zacherof]

Rare?

240 109F-4/R1 made at the factory..... not field mods, prototypes or test planes.


Rare is 16 TA-152 that were in combat.

Rare is the 163

Rare is the P-47M <200>

Rare is the Arado 234 <200> certainly not all in use

Rare is the B-239 with <44>

Rare is the F4U-C <200>

Rare is the P-51  <150> not in game we need the allison mustang.... couple of em...

All complete planes that were more rare than a simple ordinance package  


I am focused on the MA... thats where 98% of the folks fly.....DAILY!. The scenario managers are able to set the planes the way they want. The more options for the planes the more they are flown.


I really don't care about your spitfires, don't fly them, no desire to, but I certainly wouldn't be trying to take thing's from them or out of the game.... especially if they were used historically in the war!

If the MKIX did not have whatever...   then I would be with you for whatever it was, but  I don't know and don't care and am not going to look it up, even though I have plenty of resources to do so.

 

Rare is finding a thread without you arguing in it

[Megalodon]

Rare is finding a thread without you arguing in it

 Rarer is a single thread without you commenting in it or making just a smiley  

[Megalodon]

A heavy minority of Bf109F-4s and when CMs lacked the option to limit it when appropriate would result in inappropriate aircraft matchups.

It's not that way now

"Stuff"

This completely misses the point of removing the gondolas or 30mm at the time.  Don't want a P-47M in your scenario?  Don't enable it.  Don't want Ta152s in your event?  Don't add them.  Don't want gondolas for the Bf109F-4 in your setting?  Tough, it has them.

The topic of the thread is 109F-4 ordinance

Got those numbers from HTC did you?

No there mine, you tell me where the majority of players spend most of their time.

And this sort of thing is why your opinions don't really matter in the end.

What? Agreeing with you?....

[Karnak]

It's not that way now

Hence my support of adding the option for the gondolas, bomb and 30mm cannon back in.  Or did you miss my repeated statements to that effect?

[Megalodon]

Hence my support of adding the option for the gondolas, bomb and 30mm cannon back in. 

Okay, ....I will look forward to more of your support in the future..and likewise.

Thanks,

[Devil 505]

The topic of the thread is 109F-4 ordinance

Says the guy who argued for 2 pages in THIS topic about how many TA-152's saw combat. 

[Megalodon]

Says the guy who argued for 2 pages in THIS topic about how many TA-152's saw combat. 

yes 2 full pages

Ta 152 shouldnt be in the game wanna talk about it?

I have time,

[moot]

The 109F's gondies shouldn't have been taken away, but the 152 should be?

[Megalodon]

The 109F's gondies shouldn't have been taken away, but the 152 should be?

Complete Plane VS. Ordinance Package?

I am not advocating for it but it is here before many many more well deserving planes.

Can you show me more than 16 TA-152's used in combat? That includes test planes and prototypes>.....16! ...I mean were talk-in vg33, c714, B-135 and Ik-3 type stuff here. The under 20 crowd 

Do you think 16 qualifies for inclusion with a total of what 13kills?... 13 kills before say something that had hundreds of kills? How many planes not yet in the game is that? A lot!

Homage to the Tank?,

[Karnak]

Well, you need to consider the amount of work needed to do an addition as well.  All things being equal the Beaufighter ought to be added well before the Ta152 is even thought about, but all things aren't equal.  The Ta152 reuses at least some of the artwork from the Fw190D-9.

[Megalodon]

Well, you need to consider the amount of work needed to do an addition as well.  All things being equal the Beaufighter ought to be added well before the Ta152 is even thought about, but all things aren't equal.  The Ta152 reuses at least some of the artwork from the Fw190D-9.

 If we stick to the thread <G> 240 109F-4/R1 + 600 <or so> 109F-4/B all factory built production planes..840... of what?.. 1600 of the F variant? so ...840 <half of the 109F4's made> vs. 59 Ta-152<karnaks number, which is all 152's made> U tell me.


How long has it been since the change in the scenario management? ......I mean it can't be that hard to switch the options for the 109F4 back on right? How come its not done yet? 

Wanna start again,

[Megalodon]

Well that source material omits planes/Wnr. that my source has.

Source is Hitchcock's "Focke-Wulf Ta-152"

Since:... Kurt Tank: Focke-Wulf's designer and test pilot... Wolfgang Wagner

This book list less in the inventory 40 of the H series....also ..your WnR. # stand for werknummer ..look at the chart I posted  of prototypes Wnr.

and ..Monogram #24 Ta-152 ... Jeffrey L. Ethell


The book you have listed is just based on the book by Harmann in an updated style... no new info.

 

[kilo2]

Since:... Kurt Tank: Focke-Wulf's designer and test pilot... Wolfgang Wagner

This book list less in the inventory 40 of the H series....also ..your WnR. # stand for werknummer ..look at the chart I posted  of prototypes Wnr.

and ..Monogram #24 Ta-152 ... Jeffrey L. Ethell


The book you have listed is just based on the book by Harmann in an updated style... no new info.

 

Okay. He does mention Ethell in the preface to the book. Some of the information from that book does appear in this book.  I don't want to get embroiled in a source war.

I can assume the book by Harmann is the book you own.

Of course it is. But there is new information, a list of aircraft that includes many more aircraft than the one you posted.

[Megalodon]

Okay. He does mention Ethell in the preface to the book. Some of the information from that book does appear in this book.  I don't want to get embroiled in a source war.

I can assume the book by Harmann is the book you own.

Of course it is. But there is new information, a list of aircraft that includes many more aircraft than the one you posted.

 For educational purposes you can post them ... waits

Actually ...I own all the books I've posted...the 2 new 1's I just recieved... and few more... 4 are...

Bonha B Bo3Ayxe  No.82   Focke-Wulf 190D TA-152 

Monografie #21 Fw190D and Ta152 ...Marian Krzyzan

Focke-Wulf 190D & Ta-152 ...Tomas Poruba and Alez Janda

and of course the Profile #94 190Dora-Ta152 Series

 

[kilo2]

For educational purposes you can post them ... waits

Actually ...I own all the books I've posted...the 2 new 1's I just recieved... and few more... 4 are...

Bonha B Bo3Ayxe  No.82   Focke-Wulf 190D TA-152 

Monografie #21 Fw190D and Ta152 ...Marian Krzyzan

Focke-Wulf 190D & Ta-152 ...Tomas Poruba and Alez Janda

and of course the Profile #94 190Dora-Ta152 Series

 

I could if I had a scanner or you could go get the book. Or someone with a scanner could post it.