The K4 and gun pods

[Butcher]

More like hundreds of K-4s with the 20mm. The K-4 we have is not really representative of those that flew operationally anyway. The tail wheel should be fixed and the main landing gear doors removed. This would reduce top speed to about 425-430 mph.

Is there any documentation to show that hundreds of k4s had the 20mm? I can never find anything other then a handful actually had 20mms.

[Zacherof]

So it would work to have the Mg 151 put back in the K4 to make a late G-10.

Do you have sources? This may become my new #1 wish.

I concur although I'm used to the mk-108 now.
Is there a better alternative than trying to get a "colliding" shot?

[GScholz]

Finding an exact number is probably impossible due to the chaotic situation in Germany in the closing months of the war. However, the MK 108 was often unavailable due to limited production, so they put surplus MG 151 in them instead. I don't know if this was even recorded at the factory or if the armorers only found out when they inspected the aircraft for the first time.

[GScholz]

Note: At this time in the war "factory" means "a clearing in the woods where they made 109s with hand tools".

[Butcher]

Finding an exact number is probably impossible due to the chaotic situation in Germany in the closing months of the war. However, the MK 108 was often unavailable due to limited production, so they put surplus MG 151 in them instead. I don't know if this was even recorded at the factory or if the armorers only found out when they inspected the aircraft for the first time.

Its understandable just like anything with the russians its damn near impossible to get any information on them period. I just wish I could get any kind of info, I'd love to see the 20mm added on the K4 but everything I have state "very few had the 20mm" very few could mean 10? 100? Problem is I cannot say without a doubt the K4 carried a 20mm, which means I really cannot support or deny it.

I would love to have it added if it could be, I always admired the 109K I just hated that damn 30mm.

[Wmaker]

MK108 was the preferred weapon for the K-4 but because of Rheinmetall Borsig's difficulties in producing enough MK108s, electrical wiring was installed for both cannons so that when MK108 was unavailable, MG151/20 could be installed instead (this was done so that the lack of 30mm cannons wouldn't jeopardize the whole K-4 production).

Source: Japo's Messerschmitt Bf 109K

As mentioned Prien & Rodeike mention that part of the K-4 production was equipped with Mauser 20mm.

I haven't seen any specific figures on how many of the K-4 actually had the MG151/20 either...and it is quite probable that such numbers don't exist or never will be found.

[Butcher]

We know MG151's could be added on the K4 and some used them, why couldn't we have it in game? Its not like it was a prototype, simply they didn't have enough 108s so it makes sense.

[Tank-Ace]

Well, in either case, it's time to start lobbying.

[titanic3]

  20mms...on...K4s...

[GScholz]

lol ... Personally I prefer the spud gun, but to each his own.

[titanic3]

I've always preferred fire rate over damage in any game I ever played an AH is no exception. Pew pew.

[Zacherof]

lol ... Personally I prefer the spud gun, but to each his own.

Even on the g14 I use the 108

Well, in either case, it's time to start lobbying.

Boing!!!! Wish granted

[GScholz]

I've always preferred fire rate over damage in any game I ever played an AH is no exception. Pew pew.

There is little difference in rate of fire between the 151 and 108. Don't let the inaccurate sound fool you; look at the ammo counter. Both guns fire approx. 10-12 rounds per second.

[Zacherof]

There is little difference in rate of fire between the 151 and 108. Don't let the inaccurate sound fool you; look at the ammo counter. Both guns fire approx. 10-12 rounds per second.

You sure?

[titanic3]

There is little difference in rate of fire between the 151 and 108. Don't let the inaccurate sound fool you; look at the ammo counter. Both guns fire approx. 10-12 rounds per second.

Hmm, but the low ammo load and poor ballistics mean you have to force yourself to tap fire. Effectively lowering fire rate. Though I don't doubt your statement, no one ever holds the trigger down that long. I like the MK108s, but I'll take a MG151 any day.