Duelers need your opinions here on this matter.

[Redd]

If more people duelled I've always thought the MA would be a funner place to fight ....maybe

I tend to fight in the MA like I'm duelling ...but then it's pretty dissappointing mosty, so I can't really recommend it ... hmm maybe I'm just stupid

[Fulcrum]

... hmm maybe I'm just stupid

This!   

...

  I am kidding, Redd.   

In all seriousness, I think this post brings up a good point. 

My view is that the MA is the MA and DA is the DA.  Dueling isn't the focus of the MA "game"...that doesn't mean you can't get a good 1v1 in on occasion but IMHO I never fly in the MA with that expectation...it's more a pleasent surprise when it occurs.

The fact is the main areans are about score....we can all sit here and wish this was not the case but it doesn't change anything.   The MA scoring systems are designed (for the most part) to reward flying styles and tactics that more closely resemble "real world" fighting.  The pick, the vulch, surprise attack from out of the sun, E advantage, etc etc etc.  The vast majority of MA players recognize this and fly accordingly and never branch out or challenge themselves...that is, I think, the crux of most of the complaints I hear in this thread and it's one I share as well.  Until more MA players branch out, challenge themselves and learn some basic ACM beyond the HO shot and BnZ the MA game will remain static and stale.   

[waystin2]

I think your right there are a lot of variables but I think the extra E does give an immediate advantage which can be capitalized easier then a lot of other variables such as plane models. IMO

Unless you are in an LVT4, then you can pawn all.

[muzik]

1. Climbing above the determined alt outside of visual range to build up more speed so you have that E advantage in the merge.

Fella named EAce uses this tactic and wont tell you about it. And you are correct, it is a cheap loser move.

2. Dumping Ammo at takeoff down to enough rounds for that single kill....of course making your plane lighter in the fight.

Probably does that too. But the funniest thing I've seen is, a couple of times guys dove in for what looked like the old move for position and BOOM, he had dropped a bomb because he said it gave him a quicker dive and more E....  I just had to laugh.

[dedalos]

Fella named EAce uses this tactic and wont tell you about it. And you are correct, it is a cheap loser move.


Probably does that too. But the funniest thing I've seen is, a couple of times guys dove in for what looked like the old move for position and BOOM, he had dropped a bomb because he said it gave him a quicker dive and more E....  I just had to laugh.

and still dies. It just takes a minute or two longer lol

[JOACH1M]

Probably does that too. But the funniest thing I've seen is, a couple of times guys dove in for what looked like the old move for position and BOOM, he had dropped a bomb because he said it gave him a quicker dive and more E....  I just had to laugh.

if he was In a German plane he screwed himself with a 300 pound bomb rack! 

[nrshida]

hmm maybe I'm just stupid

Nah.

The fact is the main areans are about score....we can all sit here and wish this was not the case but it doesn't change anything.   The MA scoring systems are designed (for the most part) to reward flying styles and tactics that more closely resemble "real world" fighting.

More deeply I think the MA favours behaviour which will get you the most 'win', because this is for most players a narcissistic fantasy indulgence activity. Many won't pay $15 a month for a reality / ego check because that is uncomfortable (even if this stages are fleeting).

Not everyone plays this way. To many the score is meaningless and the outcome is incidental. I myself have far more admiration of those who are skillful and have a warrior's heart than those who are 'effective' by any quantifiable means.

A meaningful PM or a salute from multiple foes who have defeated you but acknowledge your spirit is far more valuable than a good score, to me.

[Bear76]

Nah.


More deeply I think the MA favours behaviour which will get you the most 'win', because this is for most players a narcissistic fantasy indulgence activity. Many won't pay $15 a month for a reality / ego check because that is uncomfortable (even if this stages are fleeting).

Not everyone plays this way. To many the score is meaningless and the outcome is incidental. I myself have far more admiration of those who are skillful and have a warrior's heart than those who are 'effective' by any quantifiable means.

A meaningful PM or a salute from multiple foes who have defeated you but acknowledge your spirit is far more valuable than a good score, to me.

Well stated. 

[Fulcrum]

More deeply I think the MA favours behaviour which will get you the most 'win', because this is for most players a narcissistic fantasy indulgence activity. Many won't pay $15 a month for a reality / ego check because that is uncomfortable (even if this stages are fleeting).

Agreed.

Not everyone plays this way. To many the score is meaningless and the outcome is incidental. I myself have far more admiration of those who are skillful and have a warrior's heart than those who are 'effective' by any quantifiable means.

Agreed as well....but I would say a sizable majority of the population do fly this way and some (i put myself into this catagory) are in the middle and are a mix of the two styles i.e. Will fight but want to land "kills" so will not throw themselves into a situation where they know they have little or no chance of success. An example in my case would be anything more than a 3 on 1 (3 being my absolute SA limit due to age and ADD...  )

[nrshida]

Agreed as well....but I would say a sizable majority of the population do fly this way and some (i put myself into this catagory) are in the middle and are a mix of the two styles i.e. Will fight but want to land "kills" so will not throw themselves into a situation where they know they have little or no chance of success. An example in my case would be anything more than a 3 on 1 (3 being my absolute SA limit due to age and ADD...  )

Diversity is a good thing of course. In this game you make your own choice about your activities and then everybody generally knows what they are, all propaganda and b/s aside.

[Fulcrum]

Diversity is a good thing of course. In this game you make your own choice about your activities and then everybody generally knows what they are, all propaganda and b/s aside.

Yup. I do wish more would mix it up or at least followed a "mixed" style rather then the pure BnZ horders...it would liven things up quite a bit. 

I wishes were fishes.....

[JunkyII]

So after a very quick rematch I found that both these tactics influence the fight a lot more then a lot of you think.


Went from a BnZ me fight to a surf inn dead in 2 turns fight. Dumping ammo in the FM2 makes that plane a ton more agile.

[uptown]

So after a very quick rematch I found that both these tactics influence the fight a lot more then a lot of you think.


Went from a BnZ me fight to a surf inn dead in 2 turns fight. Dumping ammo in the FM2 makes that plane a ton more agile.

Hell yeah. Dumping ammo in any plane will make it more agile. It's just common sense. What amazes me is that most of these duelers in this thread refuse to admit it.

[Tinkles]

I sometimes duel 1 v 1 in the DA for fun or to see if I'm a little rusty (still learning  )

However, for me the best types of fights are in the MA. When you run into that con, doesn't matter if he's higher or lower. In the MA the cards are shuffled and you're dealt what you're dealt. No even playing field that most ask for in a 1 v 1 in the DA.   





"A meaningful PM or a salute from multiple foes who have defeated you but acknowledge your spirit is far more valuable than a good score, to me."

Agreed.



"Will fight but want to land "kills" so will not throw themselves into a situation where they know they have little or no chance of success."

That's how I am too. If I have an OK chance I will try to assist. Sometimes I just like playing bait  .  But if I get kills I sometimes want to land them, other times I could care less.   The score is meaningless overall, to me and many others. The only thing that it really influences is you being able to turn a fleet, whoop-dee-doo  .  There are some who have the 'higher' scores who are good, but I am more nervous around the middle category (300-1000 range), because those guys are some of the "charge into battle against all odds" type. Who will fight to the death to make sure you suck dirt. 

Those are the ones I watch out for 

 

[Midway]

So recently I have heard of people going to the DA and certain things being used for giving them a slight advantage in a co alt like plane fight. Like the ones in the DA between 23 and 24. The two things people have supposedly been doing is...

1. Climbing above the determined alt outside of visual range to build up more speed so you have that E advantage in the merge.

2. Dumping Ammo at takeoff down to enough rounds for that single kill....of course making your plane lighter in the fight.

Myself personally I don't do anything that isn't agreed upon by the duelers at the DA prior to flight, verbally and on film. I know BEs dueling bracket allowed for ammo dumping but in the normal informal duels I go strictly to merge alt and do not dump ammo unless agreed upon.

Do you guys do this whenever you guys go to the DA? I feel like it's kind of cheap if your not going to at least tell the person before hand so they can even up the fight.

Thoughts?

<cough> AKAK


Heading in the opposite direction of the duel (flying north when you should be flying south) when taking off from the north base...
... to then a few minutes later turning around, finally heading south, in order to gather up an E advantage is a limp wristed approach to dueling.

<cough> AKAK


Nuff said.