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Offline Shifty

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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2013, 04:21:41 PM »
Regardless of what happened, I think it really sucked for the USA.  Kennedy might not be from my current "preferred" party, but at the time it was far different.  Kennedy loved guns, thought everyone should have them, including minorities who at the time had a lot of roadblocks in that department.  We have the AR15 today do in some part to his patronage of the early Stoner and other rifles, the first M16's being Kennedy's favorite, which he used to shoot floating crates form his favorite yacht.  He certainly wasn't without faults, but by today's standards, a good American IMO.

Couldn't agree more. It leaves a huge what might have been. I always wonder how history would have played out had he lived.

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« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2013, 06:16:35 PM »
Regardless of what happened, I think it really sucked for the USA.  Kennedy might not be from my current "preferred" party, but at the time it was far different.  Kennedy loved guns, thought everyone should have them, including minorities who at the time had a lot of roadblocks in that department.  We have the AR15 today do in some part to his patronage of the early Stoner and other rifles, the first M16's being Kennedy's favorite, which he used to shoot floating crates form his favorite yacht.  He certainly wasn't without faults, but by today's standards, a good American IMO.

What road blocks? They could order them from magazines like anyone else.

And yeah, other then the fact he was probably the biggest doper we ever had in office, as well as the biggest wife cheating womanizer, and whose family had ties to organized crime, he was a "Great American".
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« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2013, 08:31:48 PM »
What road blocks? They could order them from magazines like anyone else.
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And yeah, other then the fact he was probably the biggest doper we ever had in office, as well as the biggest wife cheating womanizer, and whose family had ties to organized crime, he was a "Great American".
yep, definitely clueless...
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« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2013, 01:46:03 AM »
Regardless of what happened, I think it really sucked for the USA.  Kennedy might not be from my current "preferred" party, but at the time it was far different.  Kennedy loved guns, thought everyone should have them, including minorities who at the time had a lot of roadblocks in that department.  We have the AR15 today do in some part to his patronage of the early Stoner and other rifles, the first M16's being Kennedy's favorite, which he used to shoot floating crates form his favorite yacht.  He certainly wasn't without faults, but by today's standards, a good American IMO.
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« Reply #64 on: November 16, 2013, 04:22:04 AM »
Gman I started watching the show about Cronkite would have liked to finish it. Until George Clooney and Harry Reasoner accused Dallas of being the most racist place in America in the 1960s. The tone and agenda was set at that point as far as I was concerned and it wasn't worth my time to watch it. Dallas was never Alabama or Mississippi and I wont waste my time watching Hollywood Hacks paint a whole city to fit their own personal ignorance bias or conspiracy.

Shifty, I watched the show and think it quite good.  I've heard/read that Dallas was no place for the President back then while not knowing if the assertions be true or false.  I missed Clooney and Reasoner's claim.  Not a big deal to me.  So much about the show was excellent.  I agree with you comparing the Cotton South to Texas would make Texas look good.

Check this out.  It would appear some big money in Dallas had an axe to grind: http://seattletimes.com/html/books/2022252621_dallas1963minutaglioxml.html

Wish the essay to be a bit more in depth however.

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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #65 on: November 16, 2013, 06:28:59 AM »
something smells clueless...


yep, definitely clueless...

By all means dont say "how" I sound clueless because to do so would mean you yourself have a "clue". Which you dont.

If your going to say something dumb, which is pretty much all the time, at least own up to it.
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« Reply #66 on: November 16, 2013, 10:56:25 AM »
George Clooney, Seattle newspaper (corp) roflmfao. Or anything in Seattle other than Medved.  Really, really?

Some of you are really listening to a single word that pos has to say? Clooney has agenda folks. FYI he's a fundraiser...  

A man that coined the phrase and truly was an ask not but what YOU CAN DO person, and believed we the people can solve our nation's problems better than any government.  Correct me if you think I'm wrong, but JFK would not be attending the ball, "dinner" at Sarah Jessica Parker's house with Anna Wintour hosting for the...  Clooney, Pitt, and all the other do as we say-or we'll throw you out of Hollywood jerks who had $40,000 a plate, yes they were there; 50 of them that were told by the guest "You're the tie-breaker."

Free from fault nope, perfect nope, but as far as the skull and bones club goes, not too bad either. 

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« Reply #67 on: November 16, 2013, 12:02:22 PM »
One note, a Dr Kermit Hall lead a review of the Warren Report. I personally spoke with him about this and the Oliver Stone movie. He chuckled and said both were great fictions. Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_L._Hall

Boo

Let me restate this. Without divulging personal information Kermit Hall was the President of Utah State University while I worked in a capacity that put me on a committee with him. I got to know him a bit. We didn't go to the movies or anything but would frequently have many detailed conversations that were not elevator pitches. When the man who worked on the Kennedy review committee calls both Oliver Stone's movie JFK and the Warren Commission Report, both works of fiction...it puts me in a mindset that it was not Oswald.

Sadly, I didn't press him for details. We were going into a meeting. He did send me a copy of the report and candidly I neve read it. This was about a decade ago and I don't know where the report is.

That drives my bias against Oswald and the Warren Commission.

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PS Several big names sprung to the forefront of American politics via the Warren Commission to include Dan Rather and Gerald Ford.
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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2013, 08:50:17 AM »
I don't own a television.  I view shows online instead.  Today is the anniversary of Kennedy's assassination.  I hope upon my arrival home after work, I can get online and watch some of the various specials.

If you know of one or two that show promise of being excellent, please tell me which, and I shall try to watch them.  Or if you have already watched any that you find superior, please let me know and I shall try to watch them as well.

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« Reply #69 on: November 22, 2013, 03:22:10 PM »

the bullet clearly entered the back of the skull and exited the front. even the examination of the brain showed that...
So you found his brain? Where was it all these years?

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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #70 on: November 22, 2013, 07:20:17 PM »
I don't buy the conspiracy theory or at least the multiple shooter theory. What convinced me was a documentary, a British one of all things, filmed probably at the last anniversary. What they did was place a former Marine, not an ex Marine as there is no such thing. He was an elderly man and they gave him the same rifle and they placed him in the book depository with a car driving down the same road. He easily got off three aimed shots in the time allowed.

Oswald was a Marine, a traitor yet a Marine. He was a young man. It was an easy shot. No one was shooting back. We can argue about who put him up to it. But he did it. He killed the President. It's really not that complicated. Frankly I would bet on myself to carry it off because I was trained on bolt action rifle when I joined the military. It really is no big deal to get off three aimed shots in quick succession.

Lots of you guy out there are shooters and ex military. Seriously don't you think Kennedy was an easy hit?

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« Reply #71 on: November 22, 2013, 08:22:46 PM »
Both Robert McNeil and Jim Lehrer were there: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/nation/july-dec13/jfk_11-21.html
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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2013, 02:12:49 PM »
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Lots of you guy out there are shooters and ex military. Seriously don't you think Kennedy was an easy hit?

Yes, the shot was a gimmee. The question is who took the shot and who was behind the entire thing. Also its not entirely clear exactly where the killing shot came from. But 3 shots from that distance? The rifle and scope, most of all the scope, was a semi-POS, but still the shot was a gimmee. An 88 yard shot with a scoped rifle, even on a slowly moving target, is not difficult.

Ive seen a lot of head shots, its a favorite for gangs dealing with rats, but never one with a rifle/caliber/bullet of that type except when hunting animals. I still think the exploding skull/brain was excessive for a supposed RNFMJ at that velocity. And the single bullet theory smells too.

The thing is there is a way to make things fit no matter which side you take. What is suspicious is the amount of things you have to "make" fit. Like i said Homicide investigations , successful ones, just dont have that many loose ends that allow so many book sales for both sides of the argument.

Oswald was not an overly skilled marksman. Yeah he qualified "sharpshooter" in the USMC but that was only a middle grade. There were three classifications, lowest to highest, rifleman, sharpshooter, and marksman. The real good shots were marksman and even this was after a basic course with an M1 Garand. Oswald later slipped to "rifleman" in later qualifications and there was never ANY evidence found he had any exposure to firearms either before or after his USMC service.

I think Oswald was one of these fools that saw to many James Bond movies and wanted to play super spy which is why he exposed himself to both the CIA and the KGB. The guy was a whack job ; A perfect patsy.
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