So what generated the lift to go from level flight to a climb in your rv8 while in a 90 degree bank?
What other surface was the rudder pivoting the plane on?
Surely, the rv8 doesn't have a lifting body design of the fuselage.
My point is that the planes represented in aces high never could go from a descent or level flight to a positive rate of climb by banking and using the rudder only.
No need to involve anything other than what is in the planeset.
This is a very common miss conception. There is no need for an the elevator/Hstab to produce a down force. Only requirement for stable flight is that the CG is ahead of the net CL including both the horizontal stab and the wing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_static_stability
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Sure......there are situations where the stabilizer is not providing downforce but to change from level flight to a climb will require it to provide downforce going by your example of no downforce.
So.....in the example you show above, let's assume the plane is in level flight and the pilot wants to climb
You are saying that the airplane would not require downforce to change the angle of attack to climb?
You are saying that the horizontal stab./elevator are providing no downforce in your example.........when is that?....................in level flight or after it commanded to climb?
"When" is just as important as other points of data because we are talking about something that is dynamic and not static.