Two Scenarios and a Short Quiz

[Randy1]

Never mind.

[Triton28]

The people yammering about honor, courage, guts in a video game where no one ever really dies, in relation to violations of rules that don't actually exist, these are the actual "interweb tough guys".

The next time my playing partner busts me for using a foot wedge I'm gonna quote you here and hopefully he'll think you're right.   

[BnZs]

The next time my playing partner busts me for using a foot wedge I'm gonna quote you here and hopefully he'll think you're right.   

I have no idea what this means.

[Triton28]

I have no idea what this means.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Footwedge+

[Alpha81]

Actually a video game with a certain level of anonymity is a great litmus test for the type of person you really are. It's not how you act when there are consequences for your actions. The true test is how you act when there is no one to police yourself but you.

Well said!

[Zerstorer]

I have no idea what this means.

Its a time honored tradition:imply cheating and other disreputable tactics when one runs out of options in a debate.

[Triton28]

Its a time honored tradition:imply cheating and other disreputable tactics when one runs out of options in a debate.

You're on drugs.

[Zerstorer]

You're on drugs.

Not at all.... Never have or will use drugs.

If you want to state that people who don't follow your belief system may cheat just come out and say it. Don't cloak it in golf metaphor and innuendo.

[Triton28]

Not at all.... Never have or will use drugs.

If you want to state that people who don't follow your belief system may cheat just come out and say it. Don't cloak it in golf metaphor and innuendo.

I used a metaphor I thought was common and understandable.  I quoted B&Zs talking about honor, etc.  That was a clue as to what I meant with my ill fated metaphor.

If I act "dishonorably" in a game.  What am I likely to do in real life?

[Zerstorer]

If I act "dishonorably" in a game.  What am I likely to do in real life?

Much better. That's all that was asked for. 

[The Fugitive]

The people yammering about honor, courage, guts in a video game where no one ever really dies, in relation to violations of rules that don't actually exist, these are the actual "interweb tough guys".

How can you say a player who plays with class and honor is an Internet tough guy?

A player with class asks if the friendly in a 1 vs 1 needs help and abides by his answer when he is asked to stay out. A player with honor will right past a 2 or 3 on 1 with out ever thinking of joining in on the gang bang. A player with courage with dive in and fight 5 enemy cons just for the fun and challenge.

Internet tough guy? I don't think so. Some one who is fun to p lay with or against?  You bet!

Which player are you? I'm thinking the one who has no class and couldn't care less whether other people are having fun or not

[Zerstorer]

How can you say a player who plays with class and honor is an Internet tough guy?

A player with class asks if the friendly in a 1 vs 1 needs help and abides by his answer when he is asked to stay out. A player with honor will right past a 2 or 3 on 1 with out ever thinking of joining in on the gang bang. A player with courage with dive in and fight 5 enemy cons just for the fun and challenge.

Internet tough guy? I don't think so. Some one who is fun to p lay with or against?  You bet!

Which player are you? I'm thinking the one who has no class and couldn't care less whether other people are having fun or not

Fugitive: I believe what BnZ is stating is that how one plays a video game does not in and of itself provide a full picture to the person's character. I do agree it does give some clues. I also feel that the way one acts on a forum is also a clue to that person's character but again, doesn't provide a full picture. Too many other variables exist that can't always be judged at first glance.

For the record: I've flown with BnZs and he does indeed do the things you mention in game quite regularly. I do as well.

[BnZs]

The creator of this game has created a fairly wide-open sandbox in which for people to play with very few rules. There is nothing "unfair" you can do in this game, other than hacking Hitech's coad, because everything that a player can do to you, you are allowed to do back to him. What you are doing is taking your personal opinion of how the game should be played, which is nothing other than your own taste, and accusing others of being classless and lacking in honor if you they don't play the way that your opinion dictates they should. This is profoundly narcissistic, controlling, and childish. You don't have to like the way everyone plays (I detest toolshedding myself)  but you don't impugn someone's personal honor for violating a set of rules which that person has not agreed to and which exist only in your head.

Unless you are on the internet, where anonymity, distance and a sort of denial allows people to confuse bloodless cartoon airplane combat with real combat. The latter in times past has often been a consequence of mindlessly questioning the honor of others without a leg to stand on.

A player with courage with dive in and fight 5 enemy cons just for the fun and challenge.

It requires more courage to cross a busy street than it does to dive in, fight, and die to 5, 6, or 10,000 red cartoon airplanes. Why? Because this is a damn video game for Pete's sake, where no one really dies, no one even gets a bloody nose, and nothing about it requires a lick of courage. Fight as many cartoon airplane Alamos as you like, and it won't demonstrate courage, honor, guts, or anything except that is the way you personally enjoy playing this game. Which is just fine, but taste is inarguable and no excuse for questioning the honor of others.

[BnZs]

For the record: I've flown with BnZs and he does indeed do the things you mention in game quite regularly. I do as well.

I've probably done most things "fair" and "foul" that there are to do in this game, mostly depending on what I thought might amuse me at the time. None of it ever required any courage, and nothing and nobody in this game has ever inspired the slightest bit of fear. Rush hour traffic is infinitely scarier than fifty red cartoon "aces" above in Spitfire and Tempests in this video game.

[Tinkles]

The creator of this game has created a fairly wide-open sandbox in which for people to play with very few rules. There is nothing "unfair" you can do in this game, other than hacking Hitech's coad, because everything that a player can do to you, you are allowed to do back to him. What you are doing is taking your personal opinion of how the game should be played, which is nothing other than your own taste, and accusing others of being classless and lacking in honor if you they don't play the way that your opinion dictates they should. This is profoundly narcissistic, controlling, and childish. You don't have to like the way everyone plays (I detest toolshedding myself)  but you don't impugn someone's personal honor for violating a set of rules which that person has not agreed to and which exist only in your head.

Unless you are on the internet, where anonymity, distance and a sort of denial allows people to confuse bloodless cartoon airplane combat with real combat. The latter in times past has often been a consequence of mindlessly questioning the honor of others without a leg to stand on.
It requires more courage to cross a busy street than it does to dive in, fight, and die to 5, 6, or 10,000 red cartoon airplanes. Why? Because this is a damn video game for Pete's sake, where no one really dies, no one even gets a bloody nose, and nothing about it requires a lick of courage. Fight as many cartoon airplane Alamos as you like, and it won't demonstrate courage, honor, guts, or anything except that is the way you personally enjoy playing this game. Which is just fine, but taste is inarguable and no excuse for questioning the honor of others.

I think the perspective of most saying that certain ACM is unsportsman like etc. Is because when most like to fight or compete it's on even terms, and then the one to win in the 'even' fight is the victor.  While that is a good way of fighting, I disagree when it's said to be the 'best' way.

I think a true fight, or at least one to be more proud of, is winning when the odds are against you, rather than even.  Where the enemy is taking the 'cheap shots' etc, and you still come out on top.  While it is annoying at times, it is still a legitimate tactic/tool that can be used in combat.   

Some have a 'code of honor', myself included, a way of limiting how they play and defeating the enemy in those guidelines/rules.  For example: when I first started playing, I did anything necessary to kill the enemy. As I got more experienced I challenged myself, one of the 'limiters' I put on myself, was not going Head-On when there is another way to kill the enemy.  I will go Head-On, but only as a last resort.  That being said, many make the simple mistake of trying to project their 'way of honor' or guidelines/limits on other players.