Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?

[FLS]

Not necessarily... If the bases were closer together you'd have all the fights and furballing you can imagine.  Lack of skill in another short coming....

You miss my point about human nature.

[bustr]

If you acknowledge this statement from Hitech, then you have acknowledge that how you play the game is in no way superior to how anyone else plays the game. Including avoiding combat while breaking other countries toys. Or face shooting and back stabbing, then running away at 400 plus mph.

In the face of Hitech's purpose for his game, you watch human nature stick it's fingers in it's collective ears. Then exert itself by demanding some other truer framework than Hitech's exists inside of which they are the supermen their gamey efforts have proven them to lord over lesser mortals. And Hitech is demoted from the creator of this universe to it's janitor by human nature.

Fun cannot be the sole reason Hitech provided this stage upon which they have spent years showing everyone else how superior they are. What is the point of fun if it doesn't mean being "special"? Fun doesn't end with you acknowledged as king of some hill. Just a peck on the cheek from your sister for being a good person. Fun is ambiguous at best, open ended at worst. Fun was the description for why young men were knocking out defenseless 80 year olds on public street a few years back.

Human nature then fills the janitor's void by anointing you Lords of Flys. Not even Hitech can get the cork back in that Genie bottle. Just manage it from time to time with a big stick.


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The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.
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[Toad]

Yeah. Opinion of 8-9 years game play

So you weren't here when the only map that had both a dedicated FT and TT on it was in the rotation?

Like I said though, you are entitled to your opinion but that's all it is.

[DmonSlyr]

So you weren't here when the only map that had both a dedicated FT and TT on it was in the rotation?

Like I said though, you are entitled to your opinion but that's all it is.

I was here during H2H and the original DA. My opinion in AH has recognition. But the way people fly is the other, that which I cannot control. Furball island or not, it still won't help them become more skilled, y'all will still get ganged and horded so what is the difference anyway!

[Toad]

Your opinion has recognition? What exactly does that mean?

As Guppy said upthread, you are missing the point. Bringing everyone into one MA improves the community. Players participate in the team and arena chatter. Friends hang out with friends even if one is at FT and the other is rolling undefended basis in the finest win the war tradition.

[DmonSlyr]

Your opinion has recognition? What exactly does that mean?

As Guppy said upthread, you are missing the point. Bringing everyone into one MA improves the community. Players participate in the team and arena chatter. Friends hang out with friends even if one is at FT and the other is rolling undefended basis in the finest win the war tradition.

When you can become as good as I am in multiple planes then you will understand my "opinion" about furballing and maps.

And in regards to the debate here, I understand that your argument implies that you would rather hang out with your bros in the larger maps with small fights than attempt to bring many of them into an arena that would suit all of your playing styles immensley.  Adding a furball island, like FLS said, does not change any aspect to the game nor does it involve strategy to the game. Non the less, one side seizes all and hoards for 30 min while the other teams moans and complains.

The whole problem here is that cheif cannot find "fights" and he thinks having a furball island would fix that. But the underlying problem is that the fights would turn out the same way based on skill and competition. Unfortunately, off hours has problems with the size of the map to player size, finding fights becomes difficult. I think with shorter base distances fights would be more quickly engagable thus attracting the furballers. Reading the Map and becoming better at the game also make a huge difference on your killing success.

[Scotch]

I shouldn't force someone to furball just like they shouldn't force me to win the war. The only way to really accomplish that without segregating the community into multiple little impersonal arenas is with maps like Donut. The DA lake failed because it allowed a small segment to take control and impose their own skewed standards of gameplay. It wasn't even furballing. Because of the name in lights factor, etc. it was just more hording and vultching. It was a cesspool when it was active, and now it's dead. H2H only had a handful, less than half a dozen rooms that were both consistently operating, and offering decent gameplay. most were just test arenas for hacks and unlimited arena setting fliers.  Main arena numbers are down hard. This cant be denied. Further splintering the community up will not help that.

12hour rule is garbage too, and contributes to this. But I won't get into that.

[Scotch]

When you can become as good as I am in multiple planes then you will understand my "opinion" about furballing and maps.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but in game skill has very little relevance here. Especially when you're talking to someone who's been around the community for so long. being exposed to and observing the highs, lows, and trends of this (and I assume other) gaming communities. To suggest he can't find a fight because he sucks is kinda...  To suggest that someone needs to have skill to simply find a fight in a COMBAT Sim is kinda  too. You'd think fights would be prevalent and easy to find,  it being a COMBAT sim and all.

[Scotch]

As much as I agree with you that finding a good fight is a problem, this thread will not end well and the problem really is more player based than map based. 

I've dabbled in tanks lately and it's funny how if you spawn at an enemy field in one literally a small horde will up to kill you. Yet if you fly to an enemy field it's usually crickets and no one will up to fight you. Pretty depressing that most would rather play whack a mole on tonka toys than engage in air combat. Of course, most of the guys who play this way (and have been here for years, and who tend to play for rank) couldn't get a kill against another airplane unless the other guy is afk watching Netflix going 110mph in a Zeke with his gears down.

This is so true. I've been staying on my boat while getting it ready to take back to AK and I don't have my flight gear so I've been gv'ing. Spawn campers are just as bad as hordling vultchers. I will sit there and respawn over and over just to get shots off and kill them. And then they just drive to the EXACT same spot and attempt to do it again. 

[ghi]

Donut is still the only map I've ever actually liked.

yep, sad to see the best maps removed or in MA just for hours and this huge boring maps  with more bases than players, impossible to reset, stuck for 7 days;
imo the whole map reset system is wrong favoring large maps to dominate the MA;
 Donut map was designed by Dantoo; the problem was at the time the map reset system was different without uncapturable bases not by 20% field captured from both teams like today and the 3 bases in furball town were vulched capped and captured often ;  could be fixed easy on Donut making the 3 bases in the middle uncapturable;

[Toad]

When you can become as good as I am in multiple planes then you will understand my "opinion" about furballing and maps.

Oh, I understand your opinion. I've been hearing the same old stuff forever. You may currently be far better than I am in multiple planes. Probably so. I was pretty decent in my time however. I've been here since Beta and watched the gameplay develop.  WB and AW before that too, of course.

How long you been here again?

As I've said, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But that's all it is.

You never even saw or played the best map we ever had: Donut. So, forgive me if I pass on your interpretation for what would be the best way to get the most players interested in playing on one map.

[scott66]

This is so true. I've been staying on my boat while getting it ready to take back to AK and I don't have my flight gear so I've been gv'ing. Spawn campers are just as bad as hordling vultchers. I will sit there and respawn over and over just to get shots off and kill them. And then they just drive to the EXACT same spot and attempt to do it again. 

just like you did in TT LOL

[Scotch]

SWDrgn was the worst. He would go to the exact same spot over and over. And he's sitting right out in the open, relying on the other spawn campers to kill the spawner before they kill him. haha

I didn't know you were from Albany. Right on. I grew up in Corvallis and am on my boat just out of Astoria right now. A lot of other Oregonians fly.

[scott66]

SWDrgn was the worst. He would go to the exact same spot over and over. And he's sitting right out in the open, relying on the other spawn campers to kill the spawner before they kill him. haha

I didn't know you were from Albany. Right on. I grew up in Corvallis and am on my boat just out of Astoria right now. A lot of other Oregonians fly.

yup allot of us on AH.Hey after i deliver Sacramento in morning I'm heading to Tacoma one of these days we can share a bottle of scotch and have a few laughs

[bustr]

Oh, I understand your opinion. I've been hearing the same old stuff forever. You may currently be far better than I am in multiple planes. Probably so. I was pretty decent in my time however. I've been here since Beta and watched the gameplay develop.  WB and AW before that too, of course.

How long you been here again?

As I've said, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But that's all it is.

You never even saw or played the best map we ever had: Donut. So, forgive me if I pass on your interpretation for what would be the best way to get the most players interested in playing on one map.

It ain't worth it Toad. He is just part of the cycle of filling the vacuum left by the last Lords of the Flys who demoted Hitech to janitor. And want the rest of us to worship their definition of fun as the only true way to play this game. After all he does have one of those KotH toilet tissue doylies hanging from his signature. You were supposed to notice that and fall to your face in abject terror of his somethingness. Didn't he let us know how uber he was by a mention of how many planes he is a master of?

And there for is the root of not accepting this is Hitech's universe because of his vague definition of fun. Resulting in demoting Hitech to janitor and forcing the community to worship the one true definition of fun. Or at least conversations in these forums that sound like there is only one true way to have fun. Because one guy has some toilet tissue hanging off his signature while a few others think it actually means anything.

All of the fields on any map in the MA are just props to promote combat of different scales and variety. Winning the war is just another prop to promote combat or fun. There are no right ways or wrong ways to play in the MA. The Lords of the Flys who try to stuff how we play the game into narrow ridged definitions. Ultimately have some toilet tissue they want you to worship. So they can have a definition of I am a better man than you are using this game as that vehicle.

Hitech will not define fun as a crucible so one idiot can prove he is a better idiot than another idiot. Enter the Lords of the Flys or human nature to fill that void.