Recend the 12 hour side switch rules

[Changeup]

I do get that, really I do.  In the end as a business owner, you have to decide if more are being effected by the one or two that are annoying, or is turning off the one or two better over all.  When I was in the car repair business, I told a customer I didn't want them back, and I wouldn't work on their car anymore.  Did we lose their business, yes, was the business better with them gone, yes.  YMMV

You can not say that business is better HERE because they are gone.  The BBS may be more quiet, but business isn't better based on player numbers.  We lost players for an idea that ended up being implemented anyway.  No one should feel enthused for that.

And if someone took a poll right now there would be a lot more than Muppets that would want 2-4 hours between side changes.  True story.

[Lusche]

If there was an in game poll for all players, I think quite a surprisingly high number of players would vote "entirely disallow sideswitching"...

[Changeup]

If there was an in game poll for all players, I think quite a surprisingly high number of players would vote "entirely disallow sideswitching"...

Based on what?

[Lusche]

Experience.
Frequent hostility against "sideswitchers" in general as well as specifically. I'm Knight now for 5 consecutive months and still get called "lame sideswitcher", "spy" and get told I should bugger off to my "home country", whatever that may mean

A huge part of the AH population rarely or even never switches sides. While most of them don't really care about what others do, there is a sizeable portion of paranoiacs being extremely hostile against any form of sideswitching. Mostly identically with the same group constantly venting about assumed "spies" everywhere.

[Changeup]

Experience.
Frequent hostility against "sideswitchers" in general as well as specifically. I'm Knight now for 5 consecutive months and still get called "lame sideswitcher", "spy" and get told I should bugger off to my "home country", whatever that may mean

A huge part of the AH population rarely or even never switches sides. While most of them don't really care about what others do, there is a sizeable portion of paranoiacs being extremely hostile against any form of sideswitching. Mostly identically with the same group constantly venting about assumed "spies" everywhere.

Shades mitigate your experience Lusche.  While I respect you for your data collection expertise and database management skills, it doesn't necessarily translate to "correct answers"

Edit:  meaning, spies are going to spy.  14.95 a month is nothing for someone to do it.  Hell, whole squads have used one shade for their purposes before so it's not even a question of affordability.

[Triton28]

Let me get this straight. Your trying to justify breaking the rules, because I did not blow enough smoke when I explained why the 12 hour rule was in place, prior to the avatar incident?

Sorry I don't buy it,from experience, anytime I explain something, the people who want something different and would brake the rules to try get what they want, will come up with some excuse why what I said isn't so. Just like you are doing now. And the end result is almost always the same. They would not like that I didn't accept their idea, and still brake the rules kicking and screaming.

HiTech

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361573.0.html

The April 2014 version of me apparently hadn't seen any explanation on the 12 hour rule by HTC.  It's possible I missed it, but given the stir caused I would think I would have seen it because Arlo and Co. would have linked the hell out of it in any discussion that came up.

[Lusche]

Shades mitigate your experience Lusche.  While I respect you for your data collection expertise and database management skills, it doesn't necessarily translate to "correct answers"

Edit:  meaning, spies are going to spy.  14.95 a month is nothing for someone to do it.  Hell, whole squads have used one shade for their purposes before so it's not even a question of affordability.

I have the feeling you are misinterpreting my words.  I did not say their argumentation was correct, or that I agree with them.
I just say: Quite a number players (I'm NOT saying: the majority) are totally hostile against any form of sideswitching by anyone and would actually vote for "disallow entirely" (probably thinking that this would somehow solve their real & imaginary issues). Plenty of people have stated that in the past.

[jeep00]

I have the feeling you are misinterpreting my words.  I did not say their argumentation was correct, or that I agree with them.
I just say: Quite a number players (I'm NOT saying: the majority) are totally hostile against any form of sideswitching by anyone and would actually vote for "disallow entirely" (probably thinking that this would somehow solve their real & imaginary issues). Plenty of people have stated that in the past.

SPY!!!!

[Gman]

I have the feeling you are misinterpreting my words.  I did not say their argumentation was correct, or that I agree with them.
I just say: Quite a number players (I'm NOT saying: the majority) are totally hostile against any form of sideswitching by anyone and would actually vote for "disallow entirely" (probably thinking that this would somehow solve their real & imaginary issues). Plenty of people have stated that in the past.

I understand what you're saying, and even agree with it overall.

I also know that in the middle of that entire 12 hour fiasco last year, an informal thread was also started, which was along the lines of "do you support 12 hour being changed back to 1", by simply posting a single +1 post.

Within a couple hours, there were 50 posts of +1s, it was over 4 pages IIRC, before it too was locked.  There were less than 10 Muppets active on the bbs or in the game at that time.  So putting it all off on one squad being the only ones who didn't like the policy is completely disingenuous.  Personally it really didn't matter to me, and still doesn't, I rarely if ever switch sides, same reasons as Snailman, and also I just can't be bothered to get to know a whole new group on another side, I like the side I fly/flew with.  What did matter to me was the way the entire matter was dealt with. 

[Spikes]

If there was an in game poll for all players, I think quite a surprisingly high number of players would vote "entirely disallow sideswitching"...

And why on earth would an option like that even be considered? I have a strong feeling that would be extremely detrimental to gameplay.

[Lusche]

sigh

[pipz]

If there was an in game poll for all players, I think quite a surprisingly high number of players would vote "entirely disallow sideswitching"...

I never understood this mentality. Over the years I have been on all three teams. I have friends all over the map at this point. There are folks for example in the squad "Anti Horde" which I would normally fight against. After talking with them a bit I started to wing up from time to time and participated in some FSO's with them as well. Great people! That's just one example. I havnt been called a spy or anything hostile yet. Usually I get a friendly welcome. In every group you are going to have the good and the bad.

[guncrasher]

I never understood this mentality. Over the years I have been on all three teams. I have friends all over the map at this point. There are folks for example in the squad "Anti Horde" which I would normally fight against. After talking with them a bit I started to wing up from time to time and participated in some FSO's with them as well. Great people! That's just one example. I havnt been called a spy or anything hostile yet. Usually I get a friendly welcome. In every group you are going to have the good and the bad.

pipz, perhaps it's the mentality that that you must switch teams in order to make friends and enjoy the game that is wrong.

semp

[Scca]

pipz, perhaps it's the mentality that that you must switch teams in order to make friends and enjoy the game that is wrong.

semp

Do you "have" to, no, does it foster healthy competition and mutual respect (if done right), yes.

[pipz]

pipz, perhaps it's the mentality that that you must switch teams in order to make friends and enjoy the game that is wrong.

semp

Well I never said you must switch teams to make friends. I also never said anything was "wrong". The point I was making is that there is good people all over.