"Resupping is more effective than upping a tank or plane to defend"

[Randy1]

You obviously do not know the game as well as you claim.  Because Lazer doesn't "hang at the end of the runway" (i.e. Vulching).   . . .

Okay lets say it is not vulching.  Let say it is waiting at the end of the runway to take advantage of the poor E state of the base defender.  Now i call that vulching but you can call it anything you want. 

Why else would just a few players have called for reduced ack at airfields?  If you are not within easy kill of an 88,  which is close to a field, why would you care?

[Masherbrum]

blaming dogfighting? who did that? wasnt me. because everything i described is exact opposite of dogfighting. theres a lot of dogging, but no fighting. yet these guys claim to want fights. im saying they do not want fights and never have. they want kills and thats it. nothing else.   as far as training, more people need to train and im always up for showing what i know. i train at least once a week or so. as far as knowing this game. i like that you doubt it.  thats good for me.

I agree that there are many who double talk in game and on here.   I am merely dealing with the accusations against a longtime friend in this game.  One night?    I would actually log onto Channel 6 every night and help anyone with questions.  Most often, it would result in me augering and heading to the DA.   

But again, lumping Lazer in with the double talkers is a deflection and not pertinent to this thread. 

[Masherbrum]

Okay lets say it is not vulching.  Let say it is waiting at the end of the runway to take advantage of the poor E state of the base defender.  Now i call that vulching but you can all it anything you want.

Lazer does not do this.  Anyone in here who has played long enough, knows this to be an absolute fact.   

[VuduVee]

I agree that there are many who double talk in game and on here.   I am merely dealing with the accusations against a longtime friend in this game.  One night?    I would actually log onto Channel 6 every night and help anyone with questions.  Most often, it would result in me augering and heading to the DA.   

But again, lumping Lazer in with the double talkers is a deflection and not pertinent to this thread.

i have nothing against him. but i can tell you that this is where i see him everytime i see him. its never different. if they wanted fights, they would back off the runway and give the red guy a chance to compete. but they dont want fights and never have. its never changed in my 4 yrs of playing and its been the same exact people the whole time. they only want kills and dont care how they get them. just ask them if a kill is a kill is a kill.

[Randall172]

i always thought a respawn timer was needed for the suicide defenders.

When you are trying to take a base, shutting down the FH/VH/etc should be priority, and force any would be defenders to up from surrounding bases.

if you don't then the base will keep operating

[JunkyII]

If you're posting at me, you're still projecting. I gave you the best advice I could, you're not forced to take it anymore than you could force other players to play the way you wanted them to. Calling game design a bug was weird. I wish you the best. Good luck. I really want you to have fun and not post to the rest of us how much fun you're not having and it's all because the game is coded so badly.

That was post was not at you top half of the one that you seemed to read the bottom half of.

Randy1 thinks Lazer and I come here with these complaints because we want to vulch more...he Spits lies and such so I feel ok jabbing at him.

[Randall172]

i have nothing against him. but i can tell you that this is where i see him everytime i see him. its never different. if they wanted fights, they would back off the runway and give the red guy a chance to compete. but they dont want fights and never have. its never changed in my 4 yrs of playing and its been the same exact people the whole time. they only want kills and dont care how they get them. just ask them if a kill is a kill is a kill.

if people were smart they would up from a surrounding base to defend instead of upping while begging to be free kills.

[Randy1]

i have nothing against him. but i can tell you that this is where i see him everytime i see him. its never different.  . . .

Same here. 

Now back to the subject.

I resupplied last night and died several times trying to takeoff.  My resupply effort did much more than letting  the knits shot me on the runway or just after taking off.

[VuduVee]

The problem is, the majority looks for the most effective way to accomplish something.  The best ways to accomplish a lot of things in the game are not by fighting other players.

By far, the best way to win a map is to horde roll undefended bases.  If defense appears, you're way more efficient to move on to another undefended base and take it instead of fighting it out.

By far, the best way to hold a base is to resupply it rather than upping into the vulch or coming from another base.

Why does that not seem problematic to you guys?

Wiley.

so, what would you have them do? up from that capped field and hope that the gangers kill shoot themselves? or should i fly 10 mins so that you guys can gang the sht out of me? or should i use common sense and resup the town/base and throw your timing off? i dont understand how you guys dont get it that people dont want to be your fodder. why be mad that people dont just stand in line to be ganged or vulched?
for me, i up from a different base and come in with alt and E to fight the ganger hordes. it never fails, i get ganged and dead. and its generally the same FPH's who are right in the middle of the gang. and there are several of these FPH's who will cuss you up and down because you came into their gang and killed them. youre now the bad guy because you played smart. kill Dolby and see if he doesnt go off his rocker. see if LilMak doesnt gripe about gangers and then 2 mins later there he is 4th or 5th in. yet, there they are griping about no fights. you cant do anything right in their eyes unless they kill you, then all is right and sunflowers everywhere.

[JunkyII]

i have nothing against him. but i can tell you that this is where i see him everytime i see him. its never different. if they wanted fights, they would back off the runway and give the red guy a chance to compete. but they dont want fights and never have. its never changed in my 4 yrs of playing and its been the same exact people the whole time. they only want kills and dont care how they get them. just ask them if a kill is a kill is a kill.

What game has this dude been playing????

Same here. 

Now back to the subject.

I resupplied last night and died several times trying to takeoff.  My resupply effort did much more than letting  the knits shot me on the runway or just after taking off.

They absolutely did have more effect...the problem is back in the day people would up to defend...because the resupply wasn't as effective. It wasn't the path of least resistance it was a let's run some supplies after the base was taken or we beat them back a bit let's run some supps in while we have the chance....not base under attack...run supps.

[JunkyII]

so, what would you have them do? up from that capped field and hope that the gangers kill shoot themselves? or should i fly 10 mins so that you guys can gang the sht out of me? or should i use common sense and resup the town/base and throw your timing off? i dont understand how you guys dont get it that people dont want to be your fodder. why be mad that people dont just stand in line to be ganged or vulched?
for me, i up from a different base and come in with alt and E to fight the ganger hordes. it never fails, i get ganged and dead. and its generally the same FPH's who are right in the middle of the gang. and there are several of these FPH's who will cuss you up and down because you came into their gang and killed them. youre now the bad guy because you played smart. kill Dolby and see if he doesnt go off his rocker. see if LilMak doesnt gripe about gangers and then 2 mins later there he is 4th or 5th in. yet, there they are griping about no fights. you cant do anything right in their eyes unless they kill you, then all is right and sunflowers everywhere.

The field wasn't capped at first...they didn't up at all instead they went straight for M3s... THAT IS THE ISSUE...instead of upping an interceptor and having the advantage over heavy planes coming in...they jump in M3s.

I used to love jumping into a LA7 when an NOE or something came in.

[VuduVee]

What game has this dude been playing????
They absolutely did have more effect...the problem is back in the day people would up to defend...because the resupply wasn't as effective. It wasn't the path of least resistance it was a let's run some supplies after the base was taken or we beat them back a bit let's run some supps in while we have the chance....not base under attack...run supps.

guess i dont understand your question to me.   but as far as your reply to randy.   once the attack is happening, its already too late to up in defense.

[Wiley]

Forget about the chest thumping and who does what.  Just look at it objectively.

for me, i up from a different base and come in with alt and E to fight the ganger hordes.

That's a pretty good place to start.  If it were more relatively effective than resupplying the field, more people might be inclined to do it.  If you've got the same number of buddies as the bandits have, it's not a "ganging" situation anymore.  Two hordes fighting over a field sounds an awful lot like gameplay to me.  The problem is, a town can generally be taken before defenders can get there from the next base over.

The speed with which town captures work and the resupplying mechanic funnels players into GVs running human waves of resupply boxes into the town because it works better than combat does.  To me, that seems like a broken mechanic.

Wiley.

[The Fugitive]

This game has changed to the point that very few want to fight. Too many hordes used to grab bases, too many NOE to avoid detection, and too many times when a defense shows up, the attack disappears only to hit some other "easier target".

On the other side of that coin you have far to many players that look to "ATTACK" a base but far too few that look to defend a base. You always hear "start a fight" and most times this is accomplished by attacking a base. Very few players look at the map and try to up to defend a base, in most cases finding a spot to defend is difficult... NOEs and and looking at a horde moving across the map and saying.... "whats the point of defending against that!". So defenders, looking to avoid multiple deaths and frustration trying to up from a capped field resort to running supplies.

It has become the way to play the game. 

[VuduVee]

Forget about the chest thumping and who does what.  Just look at it objectively.

That's a pretty good place to start.  If it were more relatively effective than resupplying the field, more people might be inclined to do it.  If you've got the same number of buddies as the bandits have, it's not a "ganging" situation anymore.  Two hordes fighting over a field sounds an awful lot like gameplay to me.  The problem is, a town can generally be taken before defenders can get there from the next base over.

The speed with which town captures work and the resupplying mechanic funnels players into GVs running human waves of resupply boxes into the town because it works better than combat does.  To me, that seems like a broken mechanic.

Wiley.

i think its more effective to up from a next door base. you can up 1 time and have more affect on the battle than the guys who are getting capped repeatedly. i can at least have a chance to strafe their troops or maybe just get people to deviate from their attack plans a bit. ive found that most of the times i can get there before they get the town down or any of that. this is bc people do stupid crap when attacking. for instance, youll see 4 guys chasing a red, meanwhile 3 other reds are upping on the other side of the ack and getting E and eventually killing your goon or m3. i can generally count on the enemies greed to help my battle go well.