A thought on "balance" for FSO Götterdämmerung - The Fall of Berlin

[j500ss]

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[oakranger]

Uh... yeah  .  Are you just looking at the flat speed numbers or what?  The La7s and Yaks diving in from above were easily keeping up with us and scoring hits at d200-d600.  In a bomber you can "evasive move" all you want but if the enemy bounces you and can sit behind you with little to fear from manned guns, it's not going to go well.

So to answer your question, I believe everyone twitched, jinked, dove, etc. in order to survive, but once an engine is oiled, a 234 is meat.  I'm just hoping I forced a few Allies to land in order to take on more ammo 

Situation awareness.  The 234 people failed to check their six, low and high, to allowed them self get shot down.   You can easy dive away from a La7 and Yak in a 234.

[alpini13]

i think the allies should have had far more bombers in this scenario....have say 10-15 more allied players in bombers would  represent 30-45 allied aircraft as opposed to 10-15...would this satisfy everybody for the 40/60 gameplay and still keep it 50/50?

[Alpo]

Situation awareness.  The 234 people failed to check their six, low and high, to allowed them self get shot down.   You can easy dive away from a La7 and Yak in a 234.

Of course... I should have realized it was going to be all our fault.    I guess the view of planes diving on my six was limited by the bomb sight, probably a design flaw.

[Devil 505]

Alpo, it's our fault when they win, but especially when they lose. 

[oakranger]

Of course... I should have realized it was going to be all our fault.    I guess the view of planes diving on my six was limited by the bomb sight, probably a design flaw.

3k icon is more than enough distance for you to make that move.  Now I might have missed that part that you are in bomb sight....or you failed to tell me that part.  Never less that is why you got caught.

[captain1ma]

i look at things like this. we are not recreating history, we're making our own. if the allies cant keep up, they need to plan better,
learn from their mistakes, or ask for help from guys that know the game pretty good. I think most of us CO's that CIC are willing to help
people. obviously sides are a problem, but general information isn't a plan give away.

I think guys that fly allies all the time, like the planes better. that's nice. most axis that fly axis, do so for the same reasons.
find the strengths and weakness's of the planes and use them to your advantage.

getting on here and squawking about numbers doesn't help. get with someone and figure out a different way to kill red guys is the answer.
use your resources. ive gotten calls from CIC's to ask questions and I answer them as best I can. call one of the other CiC's on the allied side
and ask them for advice or information. use your emails( make sure you email the right side hehehe) to communicate. that's the key to winning.

[LilMak]

On paper this event looks pretty good. Tactically, however, it's a little more difficult from an Allied perspective. As a matter of practice it seems the balance is off. For some of the Axis to just say they're simply better at planning and execution is simply not true.

[Spikes]

On paper this event looks pretty good. Tactically, however, it's a little more difficult from an Allied perspective. As a matter of practice it seems the balance is off. For some of the Axis to just say they're simply better at planning and execution is simply not true.

Things could have been done differently, like not send in Tu2's practically NOE like lambs to the slaughter. The Axis have the advantage in this setup due to good rides and good pilots, with the latter being the case every setup. But just because there is a clear advantage doesn't mean it isn't winnable.

This post comes up during/after the majority of Eastern Front events. Maybe the Ju88s from 1941 will be more "fair" for the La7 and Yak 3s from 1944.

Not much foul cry when the Axis get waxed in Pacific setups though.

[oakranger]

Things could have been done differently, like not send in Tu2's practically NOE like lambs to the slaughter. The Axis have the advantage in this setup due to good rides and good pilots, with the latter being the case every setup. But just because there is a clear advantage doesn't mean it isn't winnable.

This post comes up during/after the majority of Eastern Front events. Maybe the Ju88s from 1941 will be more "fair" for the La7 and Yak 3s from 1944.

Not much foul cry when the Axis get waxed in Pacific setups though.

Looks like axis held up good on this even.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311543.msg4036589.html#msg4036589

Minor victory for allies.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,197296.msg2304705.html#msg2304705

Operation August Storm...only farm 1 result...axis victory.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,258593.msg3205385.html#msg3205385

No results on this.
http://ahevents.net/index.php/fso-setups/37-pacific-theatre/291-bangkok-or-bust-1945

Operation Iceburg Typhoon of steel....obvious a allied victory.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,363869.msg4839811.html#msg4839811

Axis victory
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245247.msg2998298.html#msg2998298

Dragonslayers: Superfortresses over Japan 1945 -2012
This was the first time B-29 was used....allied major victory
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,343165.msg4529281.html#msg4529281

Dragonslayers: Superfortresses over Japan 1945 - 2014
Opposite result after some much discussion on B-29 having high alt that Japs could not preformed well.  Axis victory.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,366869.msg4885258.html#msg4885258


These are the late PTO results that I can get so far. Only two showed allies had a huge victory, one of them was the first time using the B-29 and if I am not mistaking there was a lot of concerns that the B-29s were to high.  So the next set up CM low alt on them with the results of axis victory. 


Just for interest here was the results the last time we had Gotterdamburg event.  Slight different rides on the allies but overall results was close.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,305086.msg3925041.html#msg3925041

[oakranger]

And for those who fear the 262. 

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,253672.30.html

I remember this well. 

[waystin2]

Not much foul cry when the Axis get waxed in Pacific setups though.

Actually,  there was. 

[Drano]

Well one of you nailed Vulcan. He was like.. Hey! These guys have tail guns! Lol

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[Alpo]

LOL... I think that was Colt.  He shouts, "I can't believe it, I just shot down two!"

I have an idea for a balanced scenario for Oaktree... one side captures an entire stockpile of enemy planes and decides to use them.  Oh, and to make sure it looks like a legitimate missions coming in... the CiC decides to use EXACTLY the same number as the other side, having more numbers would cause warnings to go off or something.  P51s, Jugs, and B17s versus P51s, Jugs, and B17s... balance baby 

[oakranger]

LOL... I think that was Colt.  He shouts, "I can't believe it, I just shot down two!"

I have an idea for a balanced scenario for Oaktree... one side captures an entire stockpile of enemy planes and decides to use them.  Oh, and to make sure it looks like a legitimate missions coming in... the CiC decides to use EXACTLY the same number as the other side, having more numbers would cause warnings to go off or something.  P51s, Jugs, and B17s versus P51s, Jugs, and B17s... balance baby 

I never cried about both sides not being balanced.