Another 737 down

[guncrasher]

I heard from many people who know about airplanes here.  like i said before I know nothing about airplanes other than on occasion i watch reviews of airplane crashes on youtube and I am pretty sure the guy making the videos has as much experience flying as I do.

anyway, i have read here from people who have real knowledge and I believe them.  on the other hand something bugs me, I've read that pilot training, maintenance, rest of stuff I dont know is may not be as good as here in the us.  not saying you guys said it was crappy, just saying it may not be as good as the usa.  I hear things like not following "basic rules of flying" or something similar like that caused the crash.

why arent more airplanes crashing in africa, south america, south east asia... and more often.  why 2 unlucky sets of crews happen to fly the same airplane type and crash.  if subpar training is an issue why the same airplane?  why not 2 different types?

I see some fail to even say that pilots caused 99% of the crash, but the airplane "malfunction" or whatever caused the other 1%.  boeing being held fully responsible i believe is wrong, on the other hand pilots being held fully responsible by something that started with the airplane is wrong.  if both sets of pilots were so poorly trained dont you think they would have crashed any other plane?  why arent airplane crashing more often if they are so poorly trained?  pretty sure they dont always fly in optimal conditions.


semp

[Vraciu]

Perhaps you should read some of your postings.

You got that right.

[Vraciu]

Airplanes crash in Africa all the time.  They’re notorious for it.   It doesn’t happen more often because the airplanes are so good they can handle a lot of abuse.   But they have limits. 

I had a ground crew (push) tow a Legacy into a hangar wall bending the right elevator.    If another Captain hadn’t seen it happen they would have just pulled it away from the hangar wall and gone about their day as if nothing had happened. 

DANA just ran an MD-80 off the end of the runway in Port Harcourt.   They also had a dual flameout a few years ago and crashed into the middle of Lagos killing all aboard.    The list is long and undistinguished. 

Board Third World Airlines at your peril. 

[Busher]

Semp, you may want to review this timeline published by the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-10785301

Remember the number of airplanes flying in North America vs the rest of the world. I will try to find that number I do remember when Korean Air was banned from our airspace, in order to match the third world accident rate, US airlines would have had to lose an airplane each week. Sad huh.

[Vraciu]

Semp, you may want to review this timeline published by the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-10785301

Remember the number of airplanes flying in North America vs the rest of the world. I will try to find that number I do remember when Korean Air was banned from our airspace, in order to match the third world accident rate, US airlines would have had to lose an airplane each week. Sad huh.

That list is missing a few.   It also doesn’t count accidents where (I guess) nobody dies.   There are chewed up jets and wiped out approach lights all over the place from overruns and guys landing short.    Kaduna had a 737 sitting with its belly ripped open after the guys landed on the rabbit.     Thank Gawd for tough Boeing planes. 

[Puma44]

Semp, you may want to review this timeline published by the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-10785301

Remember the number of airplanes flying in North America vs the rest of the world. I will try to find that number I do remember when Korean Air was banned from our airspace, in order to match the third world accident rate, US airlines would have had to lose an airplane each week. Sad huh.

Here’s a good visual of what’s flying on any given day.

https://flightaware.com/live/

[ACE]

Perhaps you should read some of your postings.

Read all of them before I posted. Just in the line of view that the FAA shares. Sorry you don’t comprehend well.

[Toad]

He was just lucky. He thought the unreliable airspeed messed with the auto trim and cut the switches. He improvised and it happened to be the right call.

So this jumpseat pilot has identified himself and described the incident? You are restating what he said?

Do you have a link?

Or are you just speculating and speaking for this unknown aviator?

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Well? DO YOU have a link?

Or are you just speculating?

(Expecting.................... ....<crickets>)

[ACE]

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Well? DO YOU have a link?

Or are you just speculating?

(Expecting.................... ....<crickets>)

He hasn’t been online since he posted this, Toad. Give the man some time.

[Vraciu]

<crickets>...............<crickets>


Well? DO YOU have a link?

Or are you just speculating?

(Expecting.................... ....<crickets>)

He's speculating. 

[bustr]

Knowledge and opposable thumbs are your friend.

Zimme83
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[ACE]

Knowledge and opposable thumbs are your friend.

Zimme83
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    Yesterday at 12:32:50 PM

I’d call it common sense.

[Vraciu]

Knowledge and opposable thumbs are your friend.

Zimme83
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    Yesterday at 12:32:50 PM

Let's call it speculating and running. ---> 

[Busher]

Headline in my local news. Boeing announced that orders for the 737 Max have ceased. It does not elaborate as to whether existing unfilled orders have been cancelled. Christmas comes early for Airbus and hopefully Boeing as a corporation survives.

Conviction by public opinion without disclosure of all of the evidence. Even if all contributing factors should come to light at some point, they will be published on page 17 of the Times in a small byline.

Shall we chip in for some vacation travel for Ace and Zimme on Cubana or maybe Air Koryo?

[Puma44]

  Busher!