What happened to rock/music

[Eagler]

Thanks for getting my thread locked Animl-AW...

I should spew trump trash in this one and get it locked  and see how you like it...

Thanks for nothing bud..

Eagler

[AKIron]

[Animl-AW]

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Music is inclusive across all languages.

[Animl-AW]

[nopoop]

Having lived in the bay area during the golden age, I have seen many many great guitarists. None come close to Gilmore. None.

[Animl-AW]

Having lived in the bay area during the golden age, I have seen many many great guitarists. None come close to Gilmore. None.

No one remembers 200 notes per minute, everyone will remember one note done very well. This concept made the Beatles, and McCartney enforced it. Simple is remembered much more and longer than complex.

It's not how many or fast you can play, it's about the notes you choose and what you do to it to bring it to life. You may remember how the solo traveled, but not every step.
IMO - Gilmour is the "Hook" king. These notes grow roots in our heads.

Go back to "On the Turning Away" video and stop it at 5:02.
To Gilmour's right-hand side, behind him, looking through the cymbals.... you see that huge 3 rack wall of gear? That's is his guitar FX rack. You see pedals and 2 gtr tuners on top right, the rack is also full. I setup and struck that rack for a Gilmour solo show that was all PF tunes at Chicago Auditorium, the best sounding room in the country IMO, the best you could see him in this country.

That's not the type of gear you tweak in a weak and get all these sounds, that is DECADES of being consumed with achieving that exact sound for that exact song. He doesn't carry a lot of guitars like Clapton or Bonamassa, just several. He has a rack that allows him to be what ever he wants.

I find it at least borderline impossible for anyone to copy his exact tones, even if they owned an identical rack... the options are infinite, you won't just stumble upon that exact setting on your own.

His playing is one thing, and most everyone can copy,... but inventing those riffs is thinking on a different depth than many. Those notes live and breathe.

Ultimate Guitar
" Warren Haynes Names Biggest Challenge of Playing David Gilmour's Pink Floyd Solos: 'I Feel Like I'm Stuck in Third Gear'

Warren Haynes reflected on covering Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" with his jam outfit Gov't Mule, and explained one of the key personal difficulties when playing David Gilmour's material.

Fans of Warren's blues extravaganza will be familiar with "Dark Side of the Mule", first released as a live album recorded at Mule's gig at Boston's Orpheum Theatre in 2008.

Well, the guitarist explains that one of the greatest is practicing as much restraint as Gilmour (transcription via Killer Guitar Rigs):

    "That's a challenge, to play with that much punctuation. For someone like myself, who... I'm not an over-animated player, but compared to Gilmour, possibly. But to play with that much punctuation, it takes so much restraint. I feel like I'm stuck in third gear.
     
     "But that's what he does so well. That's why all those solos and hooks are embedded in our heads like they are because his sense of melody and his sense of space is just fantastic."

     "But I never did go and learn them. That's kind of not my thing. But I'm very influenced by that stuff. So it comes out in a way that at least I think is appropriate." "

read more - https://tinyurl.com/yedb2er4

In short, he couldn't pull it off exact. IMO. He doesn't have the same rig, nor knowledge to run it..

[Devil 505]

No one remembers 200 notes per minute, everyone will remember one note done very well. This concept made the Beatles, and McCartney enforced it. Simple is remembered much more and longer than complex.

Gilmour can play slow and remain sophisticated and though provoking.

McCartney and Lennon write glorified nursery rhymes. Their popularity says more (negatively) about the listener than it does about their skills and talents as musicians and lyricists. 

[RUSH1]

Gilmour can play slow and remain sophisticated and though provoking.

McCartney and Lennon write glorified nursery rhymes. Their popularity says more (negatively) about the listener than it does about their skills and talents as musicians and lyricists.

[Devil 505]

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He's a better actor than he is a drummer.

[RUSH1]

He's a better actor than he is a drummer.

I agree, but it all had to start somewhere.  I think, influential, is the keyword when it comes to the Beatles, Beach Boys, etc.       

[Animl-AW]

Buddy Rich started playing jazz 1938 - passed away 1987 (age 69 years)


Iron Butterfly - In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida - 1968


Also note, the FX used on the solo was a gtr flanger, they were popular for drum solos in the day, you hear the phase shifting.

Abby Road - The end - 1969 The only solo Ringo ever recorded.



As a drummer, starting in the late 60s-early 70s, back then Buddy Rich was my hero. Playing like him was the goal. I even had the white pearl drum set like his. I had zero interest in jazz, but damn,.. he could smoke em up. Now when this was recorded they were not micing drums like we do today, basically ambient micing, not proximity. if I did that I could make them sound like cannons and if you closed your eyes you'd think it was a rock band solo. BTW, BR was suffering from a Heat Stroke when he played this solo.

I learned both solos above, couldn't touch what BR was doing......one-handed smooth drum rolls for god sakes.

Ringo was once declared the best drummer in the world. IMO, I was like "wait, what?!?" no chance of that, I had already heard Buddy Rich. He was the drummer of the most popular band at the time. The short solo on Abby Road - The End, isn't complicated to play. But again, it's not always speed or note count, you remember that as much as In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida. Enough notes to make the point, no more, was McCarthy's concept. NO chance Ringo could play like BR.

McCarthy also played the drum parts for some songs like "Back in the USSR" and “Dear Prudence”

I think (IMO) Ringo didn't like doing solos because he just wasn't that creative, even if his abilities were there.

I worked a few "Ringo Starr's all Star Band" shows. (how I met him)...he only played on one song, just to say he did.

There is no best of any instrument, it could be the best at what they do.

Phil Collins, when he was in BrandX (Jazz/Fusion),... just slaughtered the drums,... nothing like in Genesis where he was held back.

Gilmour is his own style done extremely well.

[Animl-AW]

Gilmour can play slow and remain sophisticated and though provoking.

McCartney and Lennon write glorified nursery rhymes. Their popularity says more (negatively) about the listener than it does about their skills and talents as musicians and lyricists.

Of course, they were appealing to teenage girls. They were sold on looks and their "glorified nursery rhymes". But, no matter, the songs had great hooks. Muskrat Love is the suck of suck, but you also can't forget how it went....simplicity is what sells pop. Pop is not for the music connoisseur, it's for simple minds. My older sisters were playing the Beatles and Carol King,... and I was jamming out on Iron Butterfly, Rare Earth and new band called Led Zepplin.

Gilmour is great at sucking you into the immersion, and his vocal tones fit with his guitar, they blend well.

[Animl-AW]

This was 91, working with Charlie Daniels. Doing sound check and setting the monitors , two stacked boxes on left (1200 watts each). As I often did doing a drum sound check before I hand them over for the band to do their sound check,...I often started one drum at a time for FOH and who ever I had driving the monitor console,.... usually ended up me going into a drum solo,... which is a good SC for FOH to set levels. Someone got a pic of my antics.

[Eagler]

So all that time in all that noise...did you wear ear plugs or are you 3/4 deaf these days Animl-AW?

Eagler

[Animl-AW]

Ya can't wear ear plugs, you need to hear it as is, the way the band or audience hears it. it's just not a smart thing to do if you care about your career.
I have constant tinnitus. My volume in my ears is down, but I still hear all frequencies. I hear much better than I thought I would after 45 yrs. If there is background noise I may have issues hearing someone speak if they aren't close. Probably not as bad as some would think, not as good as I think. For a lot of bands, stage volume wasn't too bad, 115db. average, some were uber loud around 118-122db. 3 decibels is the doubling of volume.