AI vs AI

[CptTrips]

The Matrix was a fun show but fundamentally flawed. Human bodies are not net producers of energy and we would not be farmed for that.

Especially with the throw away line, "combined with a form of fusion...."   LoL

That was a stupid.  If you have fusion there is no reason to have all that infrastructure to house human bodies just to provide power.  Fusion would provide a hundred orders of magnitude more power than all the human bodies combined.

I think a more interesting premise would be that the AI was disturbed by our self-destructive nature, but constrained by the Laws of Robotics from wiping us out, but instead subdued us in the Matrix for our own good.  So they could take care of us and keep us from hurting ourselves.  The way a crazy person might be committed to an institution against their will so they could be cared for in a controlled environment.

An even more interesting premise would have been that the first generations went into the Matrix voluntarily.  That was the first version where they were going to make everything an Eden.  Maybe people originally went into the Matrix because they were promised long pleasant lives in a perfect dream world of pleasures.

Or course, as explained in the movie, that didn't work out so they had to Schitify it to make it more like the world we were used to.  But in that case, what is the point of being in the Matrix?

Like that old Steven Wright joke about someone breaking into his house and replacing all his furniture with EXACT duplicates.   

[CptTrips]

https://www.nationalreview.com/podcasts/the-editors/data-center-dread/

[AKKuya]

I'm typing this from my smartphone at work.

I agree that our brains hold the potential for so much more. That usually falls under speculative concepts. 

Trips, your correct about me. I have no knowledge of how AI works.  I just know how to hit the power button and you the mouse to click the icons on the screen, which allows me to access the internet,  use software programs and play games.

I understand human nature especially fear of the unknown.  We are now in our Undiscovered Country.  Not a Shakespeare fan but a Trekkie.

I do know that AI is a tool. The wielder chooses the outcome good or bad. Those in power crave more power.  Those with wealth desire more wealth.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Continue your knowledge break down of this subject for the non computer serfs of society. 

I remember being 10 years old watching Tron at the theater.   The whole future was wide open. Innocence and lack of knowledge and life experience gives unlimited optimism.  Now as a middle aged adult with knowledge  and life experience allows for cautionary reflection.

It's important for discussion from different points of view based on knowledge and life experience.

I still like being an instigator. 

At least the Japanese are getting close to a Cherry 2000.

[Eagler]

An Amazon distribution center and a data center coming to a corner near you...

Eagler

[CptTrips]

Make no mistake, I am not a Pollyanna.  I fully foresee the pain and dislocation millions are going to have to go through.

Brookes might argue it will create 3 jobs for everyone it eliminates, I don't share that optimism.  I don't share that belief.  At least not the same kind of jobs.  At least not at the same pay.
All Knowledge Work is on the chopping block.  Programmers, web designers, air traffic controllers, accountants, para-legals, chip designers, mathematicians, X-Ray readers, purchasing agents, stock brokers, administrative assistants, health insurance coders, etc, etc, etc ,etc.

Gone with the Wind.  They may not be being thrown out the door this afternoon, but they are certainly being handed their hat. 

 We only need so many plumbers and if too many out of work programmers tried to retrain as plumbers, it would just flood the market and lower the wages for all. 

There will be false starts.  Companies will over de-labor too fast and have to add back for a time.  Domain experts may eek out a remaining career concentrating on transferring their skill and knowledge into the Matrix.  But the ultimate destination seems pretty clear to me.

In 5-10 years, I believe you will see some type of UBI.  Maybe human labor is needed less, we begin to reduce our population.  I’m not talking about putting people in ovens, but maybe people can get extra UBI for agreeing to voluntary sterilization.  Is that a bad thing?  I don’t think there is any particular good in merely more people.  It might be it is better to have fewer people living nicer lives.

Maybe once we don’t need to aggregate labor in vast cities, people can spread out to calmer, more pleasant pastoral communities of under 10k.  People can pursue interests they enjoy while robots and AI carry the load of unpleasant or dangerous work.  After all, the ancient Greeks and Romans would have looked at our lives in horror.  To them having to sell you labor to other men to eat was only a small step above slavery and prostitution.

In their minds, only a slave’s worth is calculated in their potential economic production.  We need a new model for human worth, or maybe go back to an old one.

Maybe it’s time for space colonization.

[AKKuya]

Utopia is achieved when robots and AI can do all services for mankind. A human will have nothing but leisure. 

[CptTrips]

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[CptTrips]

What is interesting is how she talks about AI can learn to be evil. 
Wait until the military starts teaching it to want to kill people.   

[CptTrips]

Exactly what are millions of programmers supposed to do?
A few years back the dismissive advice for out of work workers was "Just learn to code, bro!"

[AKIron]

Labor in "The Trades" has gotten very expensive. I won't have a great deal of sympathy for those suffering declining profits in the various trades due to a great influx of new labor. Even though my grandkids will be impacted. The rush to IT around 2000 certainly cut my earnings in IT back then. Fair competition is a good thing. Competing with the slave labor in other countries not so much. 

[CptTrips]

Labor in "The Trades" has gotten very expensive. I won't have a great deal of sympathy for those suffering declining profits in the various trades due to a great influx of new labor. Even though my grandkids will be impacted. The rush to IT around 2000 certainly cut my earnings in IT back then. Fair competition is a good thing. Competing with the slave labor in other countries not so much.

If you believe in efficient markets, you have to believe that there aren't just millions and millions and millions of unfilled trade-jobs just waiting to accept them millions and millions of Knowledge Workers that are soon to be unemployed.  There is always some slack in every industry , but orders of magnitude less than the people who are going to need a job soon.  And as soon as that slack is filled, it now becomes who is desperate enough to work for less.  So even the trades are going to become a Hunger Games dystopia.

We are going to have way more humans than jobs.  Maybe 20 hour work weeks to share them?  I dunno.  But instead of whistling past the graveyard, we need to accept facts and start planning for what we are going to do.

[AKIron]

I agree that "we" as individuals must prepare for whatever the future might bring. If by "we" you or anyone means government control then I strongly disagree. 

[CptTrips]

I agree that "we" as individuals must prepare for whatever the future might bring. If by "we" you or anyone means government control then I strongly disagree.

Could a couple of us guys sitting around a table at a diner have mounted D-Day?  Could we have defeated Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan as scattered individuals?

Have you personally put a man on the moon?

Could you and your friends in your neighborhood have met on a Sat and built Hoover Dam?

Certain challenges require the organized labor of of nations.

[AKIron]