HANGTIME VS. HRISTO RESULTS:

[Toad]

 

Originally posted by Hristo:
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But real test would be squad duel, 8 vs 8 or similar.
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Hristo:

Wire Rude, 13th TAS
"Have Mustangs, Will Travel"

 

[Hangtime]

Dago..

Quote "My pony vs yer g10. Navy Duel. Level co-alt pass; 10k at merge, guns cold; then fights on. Best of 5. If I lose; I fly a g10 for tour 6. If you lose; you fly a pony tour 6.

You'll note that the wording was specific.. 10k "AT" merge. Which we did. We were both level and at 10k when we did merge; every time. Neither a/c had any signifivant alt edge at the merge.
 
The pony does not have the grab a g10 does.. he would be at 10k and building e while I was still gettin there. And; it was about the only thing I could do to put enuff 'e' in the bag to keep him close after the merge. He also used this technique on the last 2 fights.. very well I might add.  

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[Yeager]

Watched all five sorties from Hangs guncam.
Damn good flying by both parties <S>!

This was the atypical P51D vs 190G10 duel.

The G10 simply grabs high and rolls over after merge and strains the 51 to keep the target in fwd glass.

Given the obvious advantage that the 109 had at the start of this duel (co-alt), I am pleased that Hang smoked two out of 5.

The best way to defeat the 109G10 (or any badguy for that matter) is to employ good wing tactics and attack with the advantage of altitude.

Always come down to the fight.  Never fight up.

Yeager

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[Baddawg]

It would be interesting to see the  fight   at 25K instead of 10K

[Zigrat]

Yeager that is not good advice.

Always come down to a fight, never up.

well 1/2 people are ALWAYS going to have to go up. Its the people who learn this method of thinking that cannot get themselves out of hairy situations because they are so used to fighting with the deck stacked. Plus, IMHO it isn't fun to fight always with alt advantage, kills are MUCH  more satisfying when you kill some alt dweeb bastard who blew his e  

[fats]

IMO grabbing over merge alt is wrong, even though you drop to it just as you pass. Saw it constantly in WB duels but I refuse( d ) to do so. Both players come at their max lvl flight speed to the merge is the best way to get fun duels IMO.


//fats

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Baddawg:
It would be interesting to see the  fight   at 25K instead of 10K

at 25K G10 performs better than a P51.

IMHO, of course.

[Toad]

Fats,

Are you talking about dissimilar ACM? Or both using the same planes?

[Toad]

sorry, doubled

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[Jigster]

Pretty obvious who's watched the films and who hasn't. To the over-defensive luftwaffles about Hang's merges, look at both films.

Hang's average engagement speed was 280-300 from diving from 12k.

Now look at Hristo's. 375 avg, from level flight on the merge.

In all except the 3rd fight it tended to go this way, where in the 3rd Hang and Hristo's merge speed was near equal, 375.

So before you start with this loop hole, bending rules etc, check the details  

From the POV of Hang's cockpit it was quite impressive, for all the fights were uphill and it's a proof of each pilot's skill, in both Hristo's ability to hammer head, and ride the 109 under 150 mph where it is mush and deal with it's torque. And in Hang's case, saving every tiny bit of E possible and also remaining in control in climbs below 150 mph where the P51 is also mush.

Also, it's pretty apparent Hristo was not worried about his E state on the merge (About the P-51's max level speed at 10k anyway) and given the 109's climb rate I wouldn't be either.  

GF both of ya, and remember peanut gallery, you were on camera  


- Jig

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[Rude]

Hristo...<S>

Good use of a 109   Could have gone either way IMHO.

Hang...

Well done...he got lucky  

Cyas Up!

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[leonid]

Thanks for the free month, Hristo    I knew you'd come through.

<S> to Hangtime!  To have won 2 out of 5 against Hristo in his G-10 says volumes to me - you're an excellent pilot  

Toad, so when can I expect that free month?  

[Creamo]

Great tape from Histo's G10, but coulda done without the annoying message buffer mud.

Not sure of RAM interfering, and calling Hang a cheater, but can say regardless, they took it to the hilt.

Kinda neat.

[eadg]

Totally agree fats ol' friend - merge at 10k does NOT mean dive to 10k - it means climb to 10k, turn level, and merge - all at 10k.  

And yes, I'm back in the arena and h2h.  Nice to see ya  

[RAM]

   

Originally posted by Creamo:

Not sure of RAM interfering, and calling Hang a cheater

   

Originally posted by RAM:
(I still think that he played a loop in the RoEs there  but well I guess that if there was no specification of hard ceiling before merge, its OK)...

Play a loop is not being a cheater. To fly over agreed hard ceiling (thing not done especifically in the duel) is to cheat. So I say that IMHO Hang played a loop in the RoE as Hristo flew with an own-imposed hard ceiling while Hang didnt.

As you may understand,while flying A fw190 in combat missions while the duel was being done, I wasnt going to say "hey hang played a loop because...etc etc etc." I said "hey Hang cheated there".

If you think that I meant what you say, while I fully knew that Hristo's film was on and the film was to be posted here,then you think I am stupid. And excuse me ,sir, I'm not.

If you dont understand what happened there please go to the school again...or may I say "for the first time?".

Now get lost,Creamo. It is curious that noone said a word about this and you had to start it.

Hang,we both know that I fully respect you as a pilot. I even gave you some tips on 109 flying when you flew against Hristo in same planes, and I have repeated a thousand times that those films posted here with you as a pilot were carefully studied by me.

I hope you see the difference between what I meant and what Creamo says there.

S!


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