Author Topic: Serious question (Read 3052 times)

Karnak · « **Reply #105 on:** June 04, 2002, 03:23:52 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
A MA full of spits is affecting your gameplay and fun factor? Yes. Does that means that what others fly may affect negatively your fun factor when what others fly represents 1 out of every 5 plane types (out of 63 types) present in MA? yes.

BS. All Spits combine to a 13.5% and no single Spit totals more than 7.6%.

Spitfires are not all the same anymore than 109s or 190s are all the same. There isn't a monolithic block of 20% being done by a unified group of identical aircraft.

Your blatant misrepresentation of the MA stats is very revealing. Portraying one type out of sixty-three (There are really only 61 units, 62 if you count gunners) as getting 20% of th kills in the MA is obvious propaganda.

The reality is that four types labeled "Spit", out of the sixty-one total types (6.56% of the units in AH) get 13.5% of the total kills.

Wow. That sure looks over used to me.

Kieran · « **Reply #106 on:** June 04, 2002, 03:33:41 PM »

Actually AKS, so was I. I remember saying something to the effect, "as soon as you perk the 1C people are going to start right in on the Spit and Nikki, and after that the next perceived best plane..."

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #107 on:** June 04, 2002, 03:40:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Actually AKS, so was I. I remember saying something to the effect, "as soon as you perk the 1C people are going to start right in on the Spit and Nikki, and after that the next perceived best plane..."

Maybe so, but Mandoble replied to me with the question/statement I quoted above.. I replied to him with the above answer.
-SW

Shane · « **Reply #108 on:** June 04, 2002, 03:45:03 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe

I have no limit. I was against perking the F4U-1C, so there.
-SW

but can you explain why even at a measly 8 perkies (now 10) why the useage dropped so dramatically? that truly puzzles me, and leads me to believe the rest of the perk planes are way over priced...

i'd say leave 262 as is, but maybe 50 for temp, and between 25-40 for the f4u-4 (30) and spit14 (40) and 10-15 for the Ta152 (kurt tank invented suckiness) - especially with the new buff boxes coming out, giving people a chance to see how well the Ta152 would do.

arado over priced a tad, too... but not by much.

but then again, it doesn't really matter to me, however these planes are often beyond the reach of people who'd like to fly them in MA more than once a month and provide the rest of us with nice perkies for whacking them.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #109 on:** June 04, 2002, 03:49:07 PM »

Because 8 measly perkies ain't worth the cost when you can save up 40 or 50 and get the -4 model...

Why it was perked was because it dominated usage by 20% or more.. and the whining... why it's usage dropped off dramatically probably has more to do with people not having enough perk points or simply not wanting to waste them.
-SW

Shane · « **Reply #110 on:** June 04, 2002, 03:56:01 PM »

oh, i know *why* it was perked, just surprised the dedicated facestudmuffins abandoned that ride so quickly when it still costs so cheaply.

i mean, c'mon 8 perkies? even 10...

i do think that perk rides should earn more for their kills because it's hard to justify flying one and earning so low a payback in proportion to the risk. i'd have no problems with the ENY (?) being raised substantially to bring the risk/reward more into line.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #111 on:** June 04, 2002, 04:18:48 PM »

I'm with the MTV generation... my attention span is way too short for this thread....

What the hell are we talking about now?

Is it time to go back to the "LW planes under modeled" debate?

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #112 on:** June 04, 2002, 04:24:33 PM »

Karnak, these numbers were just an example. Looking at my stats, 1 out of every 5 or 4 kills in the past tours was an spit.
Is 20% a lot for you? 15% alone is a lot for me, when we have a plane-rich hangar.

Kieran · « **Reply #113 on:** June 04, 2002, 04:33:04 PM »

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Is it time to go back to the "LW planes under modeled" debate?

I've been wondering that a bit myself, though I don't feel that is what this is about, really. Man has just added a new dimension to the argument- every fifth kill for HIM is a Spitfire, so damnit, something had better happen NOW! It couldn't be that he places himself in the middle of Spits, or where Spits are most likely to be found (of course this has already been pointed out before, numerous times).

Where would I look if I wanted to find Spits.... hmmm.... what does the Spit do best... is it... furball?

Karnak · « **Reply #114 on:** June 04, 2002, 05:15:17 PM »

MANDOBLE,

You alone are responsible for your target selection. Just because you favor targeting Spitfires doesn't make them perk worthy.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #115 on:** June 04, 2002, 05:22:37 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Karnak, these numbers were just an example. Looking at my stats, 1 out of every 5 or 4 kills in the past tours was an spit.
Is 20% a lot for you? 15% alone is a lot for me, when we have a plane-rich hangar.

This is bound to happen when you spend 50% of your on-line time vulching fields.

AKDejaVu

Sorry... you just set yourself up for that one and I couldn't resist.

dtango · « **Reply #116 on:** June 04, 2002, 06:13:08 PM »

Mandoble:

I don't think that proves anything. So here are my top 5 kills by % for TOD 28.

Bf 109G-10   10.2%
Spitfire Mk IX   9.5%
La-7    9.5%
P-51D    7.3%
N1K2    5.8%

There are too many G-10's! Please put a limit on G-10's.

. I think not.

Furthermore: TOD 28 Stats for All Kills - the top 10 a/c killed:
Spitfire Mk IX   7.3%
P-51D    6.1%
N1K2    5.5%
F6F-5    4.6%
La-7    4.5%
P-38L    4.2%
PT Boat    4.2%
F4U-1D    4.0%
Spitfire V    3.5%

Just trying to point out what Kieran, Karnak, and AKDJV are pointing about about target selection. Quit being so hard-headed and come to the light

. I think the data doesn't support your claim.

Try some other missions like long range hi altitude fighter sweeps or deep penetration bomber escorts.

Can't believe I'm spending effort typing all this! Someone stop the music!

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #117 on:** June 04, 2002, 06:46:22 PM »

AKDejaVu, did u forgot? We are rooks, vulched 75% of the time just by spits.

In any case, your conclissions are as "clever" as usual, if you kill mostly spits is cause you are a vulcher, not cause they are overused. ROFLOL, you are the ONLY one able to surpass your own cleverness level ... Sorry couldnt resits.

dtango, I didnt count my tour 28 stats cause I was mostly grounded and 180 kills is too few to take conclussions, but with near 700 kills in tour 27 the conclussions were more than obvious.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #118 on:** June 04, 2002, 07:04:08 PM »

It was a joke mandoble... I even went out of my way to get that across. Not trying to be clever... just thought it was funny.

Go back to your regularly scheduled whining.

AKDejaVu

Karnak · « **Reply #119 on:** June 04, 2002, 07:14:12 PM »

MANDOBLE,

The only conclussion that is obvious is that you target Spits in preference over other aircraft. This is obvious because Spits make up a higher percentage of your kills than they make up of the MA population.