Author Topic: Serious question (Read 2953 times)

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #180 on:** June 05, 2002, 12:30:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Turbot
Only number that would matter in this "discussion" would be sorties.

You are totally right. We can take off 1000 times without killing or being killed and in the mean while filling up the skies with the same plane. But we dont have numbers to discusse about sorties

Ripsnort · « **Reply #181 on:** June 05, 2002, 12:31:46 PM »

All of you ask yourself this question:

When someone logs in and says "hi, I'm new, what plane is easy to fly?" What do you answer?

Most times I see the buffer, guys are recommending the Spit. I say pay people perks to fly it, its easy to kill, and newbies like it.

dtango · « **Reply #182 on:** June 05, 2002, 12:33:14 PM »

Kieran - great summary. Hey guys - let's call a truce. Rude is right. I agree to disagree

. I'll also 2nd Fester's suggestion on buying Mandoble and Tumor a beer- if you guys are at the con. Heck, I'll even buy one for Wotan

. I'll even buy Urch a beer if he promises to stop shooting me down

.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

Wotan · « **Reply #183 on:** June 05, 2002, 12:38:39 PM »

EDITED

heck with it

its not worth dragging this thread out any further

Tac · « **Reply #184 on:** June 05, 2002, 12:57:11 PM »

The whole problem, the way I see it, is that in the MA you see 6 spits for every 1 type of other AC in the air. You see 3 or 4 La7's for every 1 other plane type.. and 2 or 3 n1ks per every other plane type.

Now, LW iron and P-51 make up *most* of the "other plane type" seen in the air, P-47s, italian rides and zero/ki-61 are rare.. P-38 was rare up until last tour (and even then most 38s you see are kamikaze planes).

And that in essence has grown so old and so annoying that it would be nice if something was done to change it. Now Mandoble/Tumor/etc suggest light perk cost or RPS or what have it. Others just say shutzefukup, and a few just like to lurk around and start flamewars or make themselves look good by bashing other's points of view and opinions. *shrug*

If it was up to me i'd perk every plane above its earliest model. For example:
Spit 1 : free
Seafire : free
SpitV: 1 perk
SpitIX : 2 perks
Spit 14: 20 perks

109's
109E:Free
109F:1 perk
109G2:1.5 perks
109G6:2 perks
109G10:2.5 perks

P-51B: Free
P-51D: 2 perks

P-38F: Free

P-38J : 1 perk

P-38L : 1.5 perks

P-47D11:free
D25: 1 perks
D30: 1.5 perks

190A5:free
F8: .5 perks
A8:1 perk
D9 : 1.5 perks
152: 20 perks

La5:Free
La7: 1.8 perks

and so on.

The way I see it, a light perk cost like this would create a "market" for the perks and have them be used constantly. The perk cost would make the late war planes be expensive to up constantly IN the long run (since late war killing early war=very little perk gain). It'd make the MA more varied in A/C. Of course, the eny/obj would have to be modified a bit so that an La7 would need to kill a few (say, 5?) spit 1's before he can "repay" his La7 perk cost.

Just look at the CHOG. I mean, WOW, when they were unperked the only thing you'd see was F4U all over the damn sky. It got real old real fast..plus the added aggravation of its ungodly guns/ammo load. It was perked at a relatively high 8 perks to start with.. its usage DROPPED like a brick. But I think it wouldve still dropped dramatically if it had only costed 4 or 2 perks to up. The same effect can and should be applied to all planes in the MA, it'd keep things varied (or at least more varied than now).

Shane · « **Reply #185 on:** June 05, 2002, 12:57:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
How many times do we really need to hear terms like:

"Luftwhiner"
"Spitdweeb"
"Luftwaffle"
"Shitfire"
"Barbiefire"

Ect, ect?

how can you leave out:

Luftweenie
FWeenie
FWeeb
Spittard
Spitoon
Spitwit

Shane · « **Reply #186 on:** June 05, 2002, 01:01:06 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Do you know my style?

yep...

gangin', cherrypickin' and vulchin', oh my!

NUTTZ · « **Reply #187 on:** June 05, 2002, 01:03:06 PM »

I always tell them the Bf-110g2

Theres no plane i fear when in this.

BTW who porked the K/D for the 110? fess up!

NUTTZ

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
All of you ask yourself this question:

When someone logs in and says "hi, I'm new, what plane is easy to fly?" What do you answer?

Most times I see the buffer, guys are recommending the Spit. I say pay people perks to fly it, its easy to kill, and newbies like it.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #188 on:** June 05, 2002, 01:03:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane

yep...

gangin', cherrypickin' and vulchin', oh my!

So YOUR the one that caused him to post! LOL!!!

Kieran · « **Reply #189 on:** June 05, 2002, 01:05:04 PM »

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The whole problem, the way I see it, is that in the MA you see 6 spits for every 1 type of other AC in the air. You see 3 or 4 La7's for every 1 other plane type.. and 2 or 3 n1ks per every other plane type.

That's pretty fuzzy math...

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #190 on:** June 05, 2002, 01:07:17 PM »

Tac, I agree with your idea, even agree with your list, but you forgot the 190A9

Toad · « **Reply #191 on:** June 05, 2002, 01:13:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Tac
The whole problem, the way I see it, is that in the MA you see 6 spits for every 1 type of other AC in the air. You see 3 or 4 La7's for every 1 other plane type.. and 2 or 3 n1ks per every other plane type

OK, this is NOT a flame.

But Tac, think about it. "the way I see it" is the entire problem throughout the thread. It defines the problem.

That is, no one seems to see it the same way. The problem does not have a "standard" definition.

For example, you just posted your perception of your experiences in the MA seeing other aircraft.

My perception of seeing other aircraft in the MA does not match yours. I don't see nearly that proportion of Spits, La's or N1k's.

Someone else's doesn't match either one of ours.

But, most likely, NONE of us have ever filmed our last 5 hours in the MA and gone back counting the enemy icons to see what we actually DID see. We just have a perception.

The kill stats really can be misleading. Sortie stats would be much more useful in framing these "I see too many XXXX" arguments. However, no player that I know of has those stats. HTC may have them or they may not keep them.

In any event, this whole thing is a perceived problem. It depends on the individual's perception and there are no sortie stats crossreferenced to arena time period to back up anyone's perception.

So it is and will likely always be an endless argument.

Me? I just attack the ones sporting red icons, whatever flavor they turn out to be. Would I be personally any happier if every plane somehow got equal usage and thus fell equally to my poor skills? Not really; I enjoy the game as it was in beta, is now and probably will be in the future. But that's just my perception.

Let's play.

Toad · « **Reply #192 on:** June 05, 2002, 01:16:32 PM »

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The whole problem, the way I see it, is that in the MA you see 6 spits for every 1 type of other AC in the air. You see 3 or 4 La7's for every 1 other plane type.. and 2 or 3 n1ks per every other plane type.

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Originally posted by Kieran

That's pretty fuzzy math...

Yeah.

Hey, Mathman, since you started this, could you run us up an equation that reflects Tac's hypothesis?

Then you could do a "proof" for us. After all, you are........ MATHMAN!

MuadDib of Dune · « **Reply #193 on:** June 05, 2002, 01:32:30 PM »

Shut up. Relax, and enjoy the game.

Nifty · « **Reply #194 on:** June 05, 2002, 01:47:43 PM »

(this is meant more as a joke, however it's true)

Tac, the Seafire Mk IIc is a later model than the Spitfire Mk Vb. In fact, the Seafire Mk Ib were just converted Spitfire Mk Vb's.

so the seafire should be the 1 point perkie, while the spit V should be free!!!