I like the new approach!!

[Udie]

Originally posted by Eagler


who are the "non-terrorist palestines" say over the age of 16?

Is the mother/father of the latest suicide bomber who are praised by their neighbors, paid by their Arab neighbors after thier murderous child has just killed a dozen women & children who's only fault was being at the wrong place at the wrong time? The kids who wear pedants around their necks with pictures of their "heroes", the dead bombers?

just because they aren't on tv with an automatic rifle in their hand, a sheet over their head-burning an American/Israel flag while wishing my family & I dead, does not make them a "non-terrorist" in my playbook..

Can't imagine the ignorance required to tell your teenage child he/she'd make you most proud if they went and blew themselves and pls take as many women and children as possible with them ... then hold a party/collect a blood money check afterwards ... whack jobs.

 The term evil comes to mind.....

[Kanth]

Might want to add June 19th as well, another one went off today.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20020619/D7K8BBBG3.html


DmdKanth

Originally posted by Udie
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,55628,00.html

Tuesday, June 18, 2002
     
 
JERUSALEM — Here is a glance at the 70 Palestinian bombing attacks that have killed 242 Israelis since the current violence erupted in September 2000:


Oct. 26, 2000: Israeli outpost in Gaza — no Israelis killed.

Dec. 22, 2000: Restaurant in Jordan River Valley — no Israelis killed.

Jan. 1, 2001: Netanya — no Israelis killed, 60 injured.

March 1, 2001: One Israeli killed in taxi near Mei Ami.

March 4, 2001: Three Israelis killed in Netanya.

March 27, 2001: Jerusalem's French Hill neighborhood — no Israelis killed.

March 28, 2001: Gas station near Sdeh Hemed — two Israelis killed.

April 22, 2001: Kfar Saba — one Israeli killed.

April 29, 2001: Car near Israeli bus outside Nablus — no Israelis killed.

May 18, 2001: Netanya shopping mall — five Israelis killed.

May 25, 2001: Truck at Carni Junction in Gaza Strip — no Israelis killed.

June 1, 2001: Dolphinarium nightclub in Tel Aviv — 21 Israelis killed.

June 22, 2001: Jeep at Dugit in Gaza Strip — two Israelis killed.

July 9, 2001: Car near Kissufim Junction — no Israelis killed.

July 16, 2001: Binyamina train station — two Israelis killed.

Aug. 8, 2001: Military checkpoint in Jordan Valley — no Israelis killed.

Aug. 9, 2001: Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem — 15 Israelis killed.

Aug. 12, 2001: Kiryat Motzkin — no Israelis killed, 21 injured.

Sept. 4, 2001: Haneviim Street in Jerusalem — no Israelis killed.

Sept. 9, 2001: Nahariya train station — three Israelis killed.

Sept. 9, 2001: Car at Beit Lid Junction — no Israelis killed.

Oct. 7, 2001: Near Kibbutz Shluhot — one Israeli killed.

Oct. 17, 2001: Nahal Oz — no Israelis killed.

Nov. 8, 2001: Baka al-Sharkiyeh, West Bank — no Israelis killed.

Nov. 26, 2001: Erez crossing, Gaza Strip — no Israelis killed.

Nov. 29, 2001: Gan Shmuel bus — three Israelis killed.

Dec. 1, 2001: Double homicide bombing on Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall in Jerusalem — 11 Israelis killed.

Dec. 2, 2001: Bus in Haifa — 15 Israelis killed.

Dec. 5, 2001: King David Street in Jerusalem — no Israelis killed.

Dec. 9, 2001: Haifa — no Israelis killed.

Dec. 12, 2001: Gaza Strip — no Israelis killed.

Jan. 25, 2002: Tel Aviv — no Israelis killed.

Jan. 27, 2002: Female bomber in Jaffa Street in Jerusalem — one Israeli killed.

Jan. 30, 2002: Taibe — no Israelis killed.

Feb. 8, 2002: Mei Ami — no Israelis killed.

Feb. 16, 2002: Karnei Shomron, West Bank — two Israelis killed.

Feb. 18, 2002: Maale Adumim — one Israeli killed.

Feb. 19, 2002: Mehola — no Israelis killed.

Feb. 22, 2002: Efrat supermarket in West Bank — no Israelis killed.

Feb. 27, 2002: Female bomber near Maccabim checkpoint — no Israelis killed.

March 2, 2002: Mea Shearim, Jerusalem — 10 Israelis killed.

March 5, 2002: Bus in Afula — one Israeli killed.

March 7, 2002: Ariel — no Israelis killed.

March 8, 2002: Beit Hanina — no Israelis killed.

March 9, 2002: Moment Cafe in Jerusalem — 11 Israelis killed.

March 14, 2002: Car on a road east of Jerusalem — no Israelis killed.

March 17, 2002: Bus in French Hill in Jerusalem — no Israelis killed.

March 20, 2002: Bus in Kfar Musmus — seven Israelis killed.

March 21, 2002: King George Street in Jerusalem — three Israelis killed.

March 22, 2002: Roadblock near Jenin — no Israelis killed.

March 26, 2002: Near Malha Mall in Jerusalem — no Israelis killed.

March 27, 2002: Hotel in Netanya — 29 Israelis killed.

March 29, 2002: Kiryat Yovel supermarket in Jerusalem — two Israelis killed.

March 30, 2002: Coffee shop in Tel Aviv — one Israeli woman killed.

March 31, 2002: Restaurant in Haifa — 15 Israelis killed.

March 31, 2002: Ambulance station in Efrat, West Bank — no Israelis killed.

April 1, 2002: Car in Jerusalem — one Israeli killed.

April 10, 2002: Bus in Haifa — eight Israelis killed.

April 12, 2002: Female bomber at the market in Jerusalem — six Israelis killed.

April 19, 2002: Kissufim in Gaza Strip — no Israelis killed.

April 20, 2002: Checkpoint near Qalqiliya in West Bank — no Israelis killed.

May 7, 2002: Pool hall in Rishon Letzion — 15 Israelis killed.

May 19, 2002: Market in Netanya — three Israelis killed.

May 20, 2002: Taanakhim Junction — no Israelis killed.

May 22, 2002: Park in Rishon Letzion — two Israelis killed.

May 27, 2002: Ice-cream parlor in Petach Tikvah — two Israelis killed.

June 5, 2002: Bus near Megiddo Junction — 17 Israelis killed.

June 11, 2002: Restaurant in Herzliya — one Israeli killed.

June 17, 2002: Marja — no Israelis killed.

June 18, 2002: Patt Junction in Jerusalem — 19 Israelis killed.

 This lists just the dead.  No mention of how many have been mamed for life.  It's a wonder that Isreal hasn't just started napalming neighborhoods.

[Udie]

Originally posted by Kanth
Might want to add June 19th as well, another one went off today.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20020619/D7K8BBBG3.html


DmdKanth

 

 yeah I read that a while ago no deaths yet but a few in critical condition

[Elfenwolf]

It's pointless to discuss the Mideast. I prefer the fun threads like why Europeans throw like girls or how Udie abuses fish. Oh, BTW Udie, a couple of weeks ago a group of PETA activists disguised as road monitors for a fake triathlon convinced dozens of Texas fishermen the lake was closed. I think it's wonderful a few bass will now have a second chance at life.

[Hangtime]

henh.

ok, israel has lost somethin like 250-270 folks to bomb attacks since 2000...

we lost 2500 in one pop.

hmm... the palestinians have lost 2800 + in retaliation attacks.

Aside from the fact that isreal is illegaly occupying a significant portion of palestinan owned lands, has cut off their trade, and denied or destroyed what few assets they have, you gotta ask yourselves just how much has isreal got at stake with it's nuclear arsenal, massive militarty, stable and established economy, vs the average palestinian in a mud hovel with a sack of rocks..

hey, consider this. if some buncha mexicans decided to 'reclaim' their 'ancestral' lands in texas and california with tanks and helicoters, how intent would the 'native' folks who live there now, armed with rifles and handguns be in kickin the 'invading' mexicans back over the 'border'? Palestine would look like a picnic.

the plight of the palestinians may not inspire much concern here in america, and it might be the handy dandy PC correct thing to applaud the israli 'restraint' being displayed at the palistainian 'provocations'.. but in reality, Israel is in violation of treaty in it's illegal occupation of arab owned lands, has reneged on its agreements with the palestinian authority and is in fact getting the same treatment from the 'natives' in those territories we'd give to a bunch lying, theiving treaty busting invading mexicans in this country.

I ain't saying what palestine is doing is right, i abhor the 'terrosit' style reprisal methods they use...but i sure as hell ain't willing to give sharon and his bucha theiving crooks in heli's and tanks carte blanche in palestine.

it's time for the US to insist on a cease fire, declare hammas and the resta the PLO renegade entities illegal and and cut off their press, funding, supplies and install a UN administration of the area with a MANDATE they enforce treatys and accords already in place in the region.

Lets not just shut down the palestinian terrorist organisations, lets shut down Isreal's 'relatiatory incursions'. And lets NOT continue to turn a blind eye towards Israels theiving, lying, duplictious foriegn policy.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Hangtime
henh.

ok, israel has lost somethin like 250-270 folks to bomb attacks since 2000...

we lost 2500 in one pop.

hmm... the palestinians have lost 2800 + in retaliation attacks.

I question your numbers. Did you get them from the same people who claimed 500 to 600 killed in Jennin? that turned out to be about 50.  Israel lost 13 soldiers in one attack where these peacefull non-combatants booby trapped a building and used a 12 year old boy too lure them in. I am with Rip on this shreck em.

[AKSWulfe]

We shouldn't even meddle in the Middle East anymore. Drop support to them all, let them duke it out... whoever is left, is our allies... and we'll get the oil from there for free.
-SW

[straffo]

wtg Hangtime !

(yes I don't believe I've wrote that )

[Udie]

Originally posted by Hangtime

Lets not just shut down the palestinian terrorist organisations, lets shut down Isreal's 'relatiatory incursions'. And lets NOT continue to turn a blind eye towards Israels theiving, lying, duplictious foriegn policy.

 Hang with all due respect,  if we shut down the terrorist there will be nor more 'retalitatory incursions'.  Isreal has always acted in self defense.  Even when "offensive" it's still part of an over all defensive strategy.....

 Stop the murderers and the world will demand that Isreal give Palestine it's state.......

[Eagler]

the Pals bring it on themselves

on the eve of Bush announcing the 1st steps for a Pal state, they have back to back murdering bombings of women and children

the Pals are a rouge group of thugs at best. how do you talk with them? who do you talk to when no one is in control. everyone is scared to try to take control as the nutbags would then turn on them ....
Until the pals take control of their own ppl, they won't have a state of anything but what they have today - poverty, run by numerous murdering thug gangs

kill the nutbags, all of them, talk to whoever is left...

[Hangtime]

Isreal has always acted in self defense.

With all due respect udie..

horseshit!

If you said 'acted in it's own intrests, exclusive of the repurcussions' I might agree.

As for the 'pals'.. if you think the terrorist groups are acting in the intrest of palestine, you are gravely mistaken. They (the terrorists) WANT unrest and instability.. not peace. The palestinian people are paying with their lives and property for the actions of the terrorists.

The palesteninan people want peace! You think Uncle Habib, on his date plantation figures it's a good trade.. innocent israli lives for his plantation and his childrens future? They have no voice.. all we hear is the terrorists. The israli's are quite happy with the situation.. they get to block the palestinian state, and garner 'support' for their continued piracy, theivery and bloody reprisals.

Target the terrorists.. not the pals. Support a UN Buffer Zone, not Israli reprisals.

kill the nutbags, all of them, talk to whoever is left...

Frankly, I doubt there's anybody there that would want to talk for 'the people'. Identifying youself as a 'pro-palestinian state' in that fediddleed up place would invite the attention of another Mossad backed hit squad.  Be better if we insisted on a UN run buffer zone and made damn sure Isreal is kept outta palestinian affairs.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Hangtime
...Aside from the fact that isreal is illegaly occupying a significant portion of palestinan owned lands...

...not another one.

Please oh please read a book or something before posting stuff you apparently have no knowledge of.

[Dowding]

Did someone steal hangtime's account?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Hortlund



...not another one.

Please oh please read a book or something before posting stuff you apparently have no idea about.

That was the most succinct arguemnet I've ever heard in my life...oh wait a moment, it's not an arguement at all...it's just a BS insult.

[Eagler]

With all due respect hang..

horseshit!

You think the Israelis are happy with the current situation where they don't know if the next bus ride, trip to the mall, dinner out will be their last?

the "peaceful" Pals need to wrestle control of their country away from the thugs, why don't they? They don't want to end up dead by the hand of the nutbag Pals that's why. what does that leave - exactly what the Israelis have been doing with the raids.

like i said, until the Pal thugs are DEAD, they will be no peace as whatever solution would not be good enough for them and their bombings would continue.

If the bombings would stop, the world would force Israel to give them a state - never happen as it is an endless cycle of tit for tat until you eliminate one side or the other. I'll take the side that does not want the US and our way of life wiped off the face of this earth....