Author Topic: Why no HE-111??? (Read 1727 times)

Ring · « **on:** September 29, 2002, 05:20:04 PM »

comming soon?

Imp · « **Reply #1 on:** September 29, 2002, 05:47:25 PM »

The Ju88A-4 fills the same spot in the planeset (early war german bomber)

I would much rather have a later war german bomber with better performances and defensive armament like the Do217 or Ju188 or the He177

But thats just MO of course

hyena426 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 29, 2002, 07:16:45 PM »

i know how you feal ring,,{were is the he111?},,,he111 does need to be here,,and was very importaint to ww2,,,sure we all wanna see newer hardly used bombers!!,,but we need the main line ones first,,before we start runing experimental bombers and fighters that were hardly used or produced,,he111 was a good plane and had way better firepower than a ju88 and carried more than a ju88,,ju88 is bad representation for he111,,,,he111 did tons more than a ju88 could dream of doing,,,he111 was used till the 1950s by spain,,good plane no matter what people think of it:)

Kweassa · « **Reply #3 on:** September 29, 2002, 08:13:04 PM »

Still, for historical scenarios, He-111 is admittably more fitting. Besides, unless AH is going to have an arena with sides divided by Nationality, the Axis forces don't really need a heavy bomber. The significance of Axis heavy bombers is ignorable compared to the historical importance of Allied HBs.

Sp, yeah, sure, why not.

Give us the He-111, Ju87B, Ju87G, Tu-2, Pe-8!!

hyena426 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 29, 2002, 08:53:39 PM »

funny thing is people keep saying,,give us heavy axis bombers,,,well,,axis didnt have many heavy bombers plain and simple,,and the ones that did come out late,,,were late!!,,and didnt get any use,,and shouldnt be included {unless for perk points or somthing} he111 should be here before ju88,,every sim seems to neglect he111 and liberator bombers,,,i dont know why,,because i bet usa or germans didnt nelgect using these planes on there enemies,,,it was about all they had somtimes,,he111 and ju87 is what helped the german start the war,,ju88 does not represent these planes good

whgates3 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2002, 01:40:00 AM »

unrelated, but heres any interesting bit of information i recently read: the He177 actually killed more more germans than allies

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2002, 01:50:52 AM »

Id love to see the He-111 in AH - Personally I think its one of the most beautiful bomber designs of the war.

hyena426 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2002, 01:52:40 AM »

funny!! and people want that plane over a he111?,,shouldnt be what everyone wants,,should be what was really in the air and used:)

Wilbus · « **Reply #8 on:** September 30, 2002, 04:20:05 AM »

The He177 would be a terrific bomber in AH I think. The reason it was a very bad and dangerous bomber in real life is that the engines constantly caught fire. The whole engine installation was so crappy that it almost looked intentional.

The He111 was an OK plane, the Ju88 was far better though and teh Ju88 is one fast little bomber. The Ju88 S would be nice to have in here.

The He111 is needed to scenarios and special events and the CT.

As for axis not needing a heavy bomber I don't agree with. They need it, both in the MA but specially in the CT, and probarly in the upcoming mission arena.

hyena426 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2002, 04:52:52 AM »

only thing better about ju88 was its speed,,othere than that,,he111 out gunned it and carried bigger bomb load,,plus it could fire niffty radio guided missles for ships and a 115mm cannon mounted in place of a bomb load,,,it was a german test platform for lots of wepons,,,wouldnt that be nice for making base runs?,,,b25 had a similar attachment for bomb load,,cannon in its place would be need to see,,stuck right out the front,,mounted in bombay

Wilbus · « **Reply #10 on:** September 30, 2002, 04:57:00 AM »

If you want a cannon you will want the Hs129. High velocity 75mm instead of that low velocity cannon in the B25

Test weapons won't be modelled in AH, thus many of the weapons the He111 were tested with won't be included. The He111 had slightly better armament, couple of more 7.9mm machine guns, not enough to make up for its speed IMO.

Far worse bomber but needed for special events.

Kweassa · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2002, 05:11:01 AM »

Actually, speed is what really matters.

Try participating in BoB setups.

The Ju88A is pretty hard to keep up with without enough altitude in the first place. Oh yes, I remember all the whining against how Ju88s were "impossible to shoot down" when the CT got its very first BoB setup

Wilbus · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2002, 05:27:47 AM »

CC Kweassa, and the Ju 88 A4 WAS IN BoB in R/L

Fast plane, RAF spitfire pilot reports from WW2 BoB says that the Ju88 was a very hard plane to catch. Me 109 pilots said if they had to do escort duty, they much prefered to escort the faster Ju88.

Ps. Our A4 is missing a 20mm gun

Imp · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2002, 06:21:32 AM »

I still think we need to fill the planeset.

Ju88 is a 1940 bomber so it fills early war pretty well.

The german have the Ar234 but its perked and entered service in late 1944. A mid war bomber would be nice.

The D0217 and Ju188 entered service in 1940 or 1941.

Ju188 is faster than Ju88 with much better defensive armament.

The Do217 has 4000Kg (8800lbs) bomload with good defensive armament and better speed than the He111.

The He177 was alot of trouble but there are no engine fires in AH so it would not be a problem.

The He111 is slower has poorer defensive armament and no more bombs than a Do217 so why would I want it

But before we get those we need a Pe2 for Mother Russia

Or a cant for Italy

Staga · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2002, 07:12:56 AM »

Wilbus IIRC the engine problems of He-177 were pretty much solved in A-5 with DB-610 engines.

Oh and He-177 could also carry 50mm or 75m AT-cannon and so did some Ju-88s.
Henschel Hs-129 with 75mm was under powered and over weighted plane, even later versions with French engines.