Author Topic: POLL: Hot Restarts for Engines (Read 1908 times)

loser · « **Reply #45 on:** October 19, 2002, 01:09:07 AM »

B

with all due respect midnight, this is getting a touch annoying.

Airhead · « **Reply #46 on:** October 19, 2002, 01:13:29 AM »

I am all for it- whatever it is- provided it doesn't raise my taxes and they don't build it in my neighborhood.

Lizard3 · « **Reply #47 on:** October 19, 2002, 02:00:42 AM »

How bout E:

Yer Momma

Liztard

Wilbus · « **Reply #48 on:** October 19, 2002, 06:20:17 AM »

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I just learned a new "tactic"

Don't tell me you're gonna use it?

Fariz · « **Reply #49 on:** October 19, 2002, 07:01:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
C. This crusade is silly.

D. Just because it is my usual mark from school time

Thrawn · « **Reply #50 on:** October 19, 2002, 09:16:37 AM »

I think they should model your crew chief kicking your bellybutton after doing that to his plane.

A.

Shutting your engine on and off repeatedly in combat is gamey.

ccvi · « **Reply #51 on:** October 19, 2002, 10:39:38 AM »

What reason is there to shut the engine off, except to be able to hear the enemy, which can be archived easier by configuring internal engine sounds off?

Busher · « **Reply #52 on:** October 19, 2002, 11:21:29 AM »

A

There is no way high performance piston engines can be re-lit at will after an inflight shutdown. (especially PW R2800's - they barely start when babied

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Pollock · « **Reply #53 on:** October 19, 2002, 11:42:51 AM »

A for it I want more of sim than game.

Tumor · « **Reply #54 on:** October 19, 2002, 11:51:13 AM »

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I like this thread... starting to make a few members of the self appointed HTC Anti-Whiner league look a bit whiney themselves.

Duckwing6 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 19, 2002, 12:04:05 PM »

well most engines i know in RL will pretty much instantly startp again if you switch the ignition off and back on when windmilling ... you'd prolly get some nasty exhaust flames but what the heck... but who in his right mind would switch off an engine in flight unless it's required ?

Dinger · « **Reply #56 on:** October 19, 2002, 12:38:47 PM »

If you're squeaking about it, make the engine startup/shutdown routine more complicated. Mixture, mags, the works. Jus punishing someone for hitting the "E" key or not flying a mustang and falling asleep when the fuel selector's not on auto is a non-solution.

Fatty · « **Reply #57 on:** October 19, 2002, 12:54:41 PM »

Has anyone actually looked at this?

Offline I get identical times for both chopping throttle and cutting engine when:

Timing hurricane I at 7k from 200 IAS until autopilot can no longer hold level.

Timing 109g10 at 8k from 200 IAS until autopilot can no longer hold level.

Timing p51-d decelleration at 5k from 350 IAS to 250 IAS on autopilot.

Fariz · « **Reply #58 on:** October 19, 2002, 01:01:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Duckwing6
well most engines i know in RL will pretty much instantly startp again if you switch the ignition off and back on when windmilling ... you'd prolly get some nasty exhaust flames but what the heck... but who in his right mind would switch off an engine in flight unless it's required ?

From Shaw's "Fighter Combat".

"Make no movement gently, but be as violent as possible. Pull back on the stick and apply left rudder at the same time. It might rip the wings out of your plane, but if you're a goner anyway, what's the difference".

When it comes to survival you do whatever can save your life. I think that I read about soviet pilots switched engines off during spain war, but could not find it in my books. I am sure it happened during war, though was not any common practice.

Now to this thread and its questions:

My vote is for a more realistic engine behaviour as a whole, but not as a top priority, and many things shall be taken into consideration before any change.

Really, aks yourself, how often you meet such behaviour (engine switching off in combat) in AH, and how much you think it affects your AH expirience. Also, good question is how much time it will take to model a correct engine behaviour in case of switch off, for each engine and each situation (how hot was engine, how long it stayed off, what was plane speed etc.). Then think how many other things which are not implemented yet requires work, or more gamey now (for examply bailing, it is extrememly unrealistic, try to bail at 400 mph in a real fight), and ask yourself if you really want it to be fixed right now and right here.

I do not even say that in AH you can switch engine off by accident by pressing one button instead of other. Are you sure your solution in this case is better than the problem itself? We have such examples in AH, when fix was a bigger pain, than problem itself. For examply UDP/TCP switch. I saw not a single invisible plane, but UDP switch kickes me out of AH every 5th sortie.

Fatty · « **Reply #59 on:** October 19, 2002, 01:08:29 PM »

Retesting I also did a longer p51 decelleration from 350 IAS to 200 IAS at 5k.

Again, no difference between chopping throttle and cutting engine.