Author Topic: POLL: Hot Restarts for Engines (Read 1916 times)

Glasses · « **Reply #75 on:** October 21, 2002, 01:08:10 PM »

B against!

Taiaha · « **Reply #76 on:** October 21, 2002, 01:09:33 PM »

I say punish anyone not using an authentic WW2 joystick. Dock their perk points! Pork their monitors! Give them the old CTD on a regular basis! That will sort the men from the boys. . .

Taiaha · « **Reply #77 on:** October 21, 2002, 01:18:12 PM »

Whoah, sorry! Evil Taiaha just grabbed control of the keyboard there for a moment. Good Taiaha is back in charge once again.

It's not that this poll is silly, it's just pointless. I for one would love to see engine behavior that's a little more realistic: fly too long with WEP and you fry your motor; those planes that relied on various kinds of injection to achieve WEP, have a fixed limit of the substance, etc. I'd also like to see guns that overheat or jam in high g maneuvres.

But it aint gonna happen, because HTC have repeatedly said they don't want to introduce the element of mechanical failure into the equation (random damange bugs in bombers, that's a different story!). And they'll see this as the first step on that particularly slippery slope.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #78 on:** October 21, 2002, 01:18:13 PM »

Some engines (namely certain American ones) were started by a shotgun cartridge firing into the engine..

I'd imagine once you start 'em you couldn't restart 'em... but then again, you aren't supposed to be able to start a car without using the ignition... but I can just roll start any car with a manual trans by popping it into first at 10MPH...

So, could you restart one of those engines in flight by using the prop shaft as the means to restart it?

Of course, to me the engine issue is moot... lets get some fuggin gunjams in here already!
-SW

Thrawn · « **Reply #79 on:** October 21, 2002, 02:30:21 PM »

Have a increasing per-centage chance of engine damage with every restart after take off.

This way only the people that constantly abuse restarts will get nailed.

You could have the percent chance of failure reset on the rearm pad if you wanted.

What do you think?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #80 on:** October 21, 2002, 02:33:13 PM »

I think gunjams should be modelled first.
-SW

Mogi · « **Reply #81 on:** October 21, 2002, 02:34:24 PM »

Sandman · « **Reply #82 on:** October 21, 2002, 03:30:06 PM »

Hmmm... all this worrying about the realism of instant air starts...

Meanwhile, we have such realism as killshooter to contend with.

Thrawn · « **Reply #83 on:** October 21, 2002, 03:37:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Hmmm... all this worrying about the realism of instant air starts...

Meanwhile, we have such realism as killshooter to contend with.

Kill shooter is game concession, HTC has said so.

As far as I know they haven't made statement about constant engine restarts.

Dago · « **Reply #84 on:** October 21, 2002, 03:44:29 PM »

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There is no way high performance piston engines can be re-lit at will after an inflight shutdown. (especially PW R2800's - they barely start when babied

Not true. To verify, I checked with a friend of mine, who has a tremendous amount of experience with R2800s. To get a glimpse of his credentials, check this page: Randy

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I'd imagine once you start 'em you couldn't restart 'em... but then again, you aren't supposed to be able to start a car without using the ignition... but I can just roll start any car with a manual trans by popping it into first at 10MPH...

Yes, you can easily restart an aircraft engine in flight while it is still windmilling. Even if you feather it, if you have electric unfeathering or accumulator unfeathering, you would restart with windmilling, and its almost unknown to be able to feather the prop on a single engine aircraft of that era anyway.

All you do is turn on the ignition and push the mixture out of cutoff and you can expect a start. If someone wanted to make a quick cut and restart, he would only have to cut the fuel mixture for a moment or two, then open the mixture control back up. easy as pie, and the results are "varoooom".

Dago

Sandman · « **Reply #85 on:** October 21, 2002, 04:04:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

Kill shooter is game concession, HTC has said so.

As far as I know they haven't made statement about constant engine restarts.

Thanks... I feel better now.

Rude · « **Reply #86 on:** October 21, 2002, 04:42:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

Yes it is.

20000+ hrs in fighters to airliners and the owner of a warbird say you're mistaken.

and your qualifications are?

corey · « **Reply #87 on:** October 21, 2002, 04:44:23 PM »

i do know that a piston engen will sart up almost imediantly when windmilling.

hblair · « **Reply #88 on:** October 21, 2002, 04:44:47 PM »

ewwww! Rude layin down da smack right on top uh thrawns noggin...

Mister Fork · « **Reply #89 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:27:45 PM »

Let me put a BIG FORK into this idea by giving you all a better idea.

What if you are like me, you manage your fuel tanks manually. This is especially important for us Luftwaffe pilots flying the Fw-190's, or the 202/205 aircraft.

I generally run certain tanks dry and sometimes I need to restart my engine. Is it fair to punish pilots who need a simple restart? NO

What you can do is this...IF YOU MANUALLY SHUT DOWN THE ENGINE, THE TIME TO RESTART SHOULD BE 15 SECONDS. Let's make the assumption that if you shut down your engine in flight, it causes you to feather your prop, cut your fuel to starve the engine, and then adjusting the fuel mixture to dry from lean. If you restart it, you push your mixture to lean, push in the throttle a little, and engage the prop clutch. That should at least take 15 seconds in real life.

However, if you run a fuel tank dry, or cause a fuel starve situation, simply switching tanks should restart the engine automatically.

This is how it should work in Aces High.