Author Topic: Draughts, floods and storms...oh my. (Read 994 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #75 on:** July 12, 2005, 01:27:14 PM »

Thanks for contributing so much to the discourse.

Maverick · « **Reply #76 on:** July 12, 2005, 02:17:21 PM »

Please explain. If global warming is caused by humans then it follows that prior to humans there has never been global warming prior to human habitation of the globe. Correct? Then there have never been ice ages or any time when the globe came out of them. OK.

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #77 on:** July 12, 2005, 03:26:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
I have heard that conspiracy theory many times before, cpxxx. However I have not yet seen one shread of evidence to support it.

While have I have seen much evidence to support theory that global warming is happening, and the primary cause is humans.

Not really a conspiracy of sorts. Whether you want to admit this or not the current environmental movement is the new home of world socialists who have as their main objective not so much to save the "environment" as to cripple world capitalism.

Whether you will believe them or not I will supply you with a few articles that will attempt to debunk the current trend of junk-science in regard to global warming.

http://www.junkscience.com/july04/Daily_Mail-Bellamy.htm

http://www.junkscience.com/apr99/singer.htm

http://www.junkscience.com/apr99/michaels.htm

To support the "conspiracy theory"
http://www.junkscience.com/foxnews/fn111700.htm

http://www.junkscience.com/foxnews/fn020901.htm

Mr. Malloy is a very credible source as I have yet to see anyone debunk or discount his observations.

The protection of our environment is a serious matter that should not be placed in the hands of people who's motivations are in serious question.

Another case in point is the DDT controversy. There is absolutly no hard evidence that DDT caused cancer in humans yet that was the main reason for its banning. This ban has cost the deaths of millions of children in places like Africa and Southeast Asia due to Malaria and other mosqito bourne diseases yet we hear nothing close to an admittance from the environmental left. DDT saved millions of lives in the poorest of countries yet the enviro-leftists "lied" to get it banned, WHY?

These same people fight to ban American Genetically engineered, drought resistant grains from being shipped to Africa, again WHY? These grains are proven safe and EFFECTIVE.

These are the same people selling this Global Warming theory to you.

Oh, and one more thing, there is a known problem with Nitrate runoff from the Sugar cane fields in FL into the Everglades. Yes it is a problem and everyone admits it is a problem. The Government and the Sugar producers have put into place a system of earth filters that IS working. BUT! Because it is taking a bit longer than expected to put all these things into place the Enviro-leftists want to scrap the whole program and place punative damages on the sugar producers. Again, WHY? This one I will answer, because they want to hurt the sugar industry. They want to effect damage on the economy of this country, BE DAMNED what the truth is.

cpxxx · « **Reply #78 on:** July 12, 2005, 05:28:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
I have heard that conspiracy theory many times before, cpxxx. However I have not yet seen one shread of evidence to support it.

While have I have seen much evidence to support theory that global warming is happening, and the primary cause is humans.

There is no conspiracy Thrawn. No central coordinator. No one is pulling the strings. No left wing socialist conspiracy. No media conspiracy. It doesn't exist. There is no evidence, not a shred. There is no conspiracy.

Quite simply everyone or nearly everyone believes the 'overwhelming evidence'. The 'overwhelming evidence' is simply the combined snowball effect of the results of research and opinion of scientists and environmentalists. The media as is it's duty reports these 'facts' in a distilled form so the ordinary person can understand it.
The result is that intelligent people like you Thrawn, believe you have seen sufficent, even overwhelming evidence the human caused global warming is an indisputable fact.
Unfortunately if the evidence was presented in a court of law, none of it would stand up to scrutiny. There is 'reasonable doubt'.

The problem is like every aspect of human life, scientific theories fall prey to all the human failings. Scientists like to believe and promulgate the idea that they have sufficient checiks and balances such that any conclusion they come to is as close to fact as is possible. I don't believe that, scientists are human like the rest of us. Suppose a scientist came across something that negated something he believed in for his whole career. Would he be strong enough to throw it all away and run with the new evidence? Maybe, probably not.
My wife is a scientist in the medical field. When I can pin her down she finally admits there is more than a little 'interpretation' in some of the stuff she does. No scientist likes to admit that.

I simply think that the idea of human caused global warming has gained popular acceptance simply because people believe that scientists must be right based on the limited information they read or hear on TV. It's a question of belief just like belief in God. I for one will only believe it when God comes down and tells me it's true.