Author Topic: Death Penalty... yes or no? (Read 3578 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #60 on:** November 19, 2002, 12:24:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
have you asked a fetus, did one tell you it doesn't know?
It has brain activity, heart beat, response to stimulus...

Again, you have just discribed an ant.

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Have you ever been through a pregnancy with a woman, everyday for nine+ months?

Yes, this in no way validates or invalidates any arguement.

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Thrawn
I ask the question not to pry just to illustrate the fact that it is a dark dirty little secret for even those that are "for it".

If it is just another "freedom", why the shame?

By that logic. Does your wife give you blow jobs, how often?

gofaster · « **Reply #61 on:** November 19, 2002, 12:27:28 PM »

People in comas can't speak for themselves, but the courts can.

http://www.jud10.org/2ndDCA/jan01/2D00-1269.htm

A wrinkle to the above case is the fact that it has come to light that Mr. Schiavo had an affair with another woman and has recently fathered an illegitimate baby. Since Mr. Schiavo is still legally married to Mrs. Schiavo (hence the grounds for his determination to remove the feeding tubes and pave the way for him to collect insurance money and a judicial award relating to the medical treatment of his wife), is this grounds for divorce or annulment of the marriage? If dissolution of the marriage were to be granted, would his right to terminate her life support be denied, and would the decision to terminate Mrs. Schiavo's life-support rest with her parents?

Also, if a person is in a coma, can her parents file for divorce from her husband if its proven that he commited adultery?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #62 on:** November 19, 2002, 12:33:29 PM »

From abortions to blow jobs, you're a real societal winner there Thrawn...been drinking heavy again?

Thrawn · « **Reply #63 on:** November 19, 2002, 12:40:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
From abortions to blow jobs, you're a real societal winner there Thrawn...been drinking heavy again?

He was asking a personal question, I asked a personal question. Can't follow the intrecate convolutions there Rip?

Great contribution to the thread by the way, and thanks for the personal insult.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #64 on:** November 19, 2002, 12:43:10 PM »

Every living creature has brain waves. Animals, particularly domesticated house pets, have exhibited intelligence and the ability to learn, cope and adapt.

That in itself is far more brain activity than a fetus could ever muster.

Why don't all you pro-lifers put your money where your mouth is, start up an adoption program for all fetus' that would have been aborted... and do it out of your own pocket. Or you could simply adopt them yourselves. What? You don't have the money? Ever thought about the person who is having the abortion? Maybe it's a bigger reason that it simply being "unwanted".

That's the solution to stopping abortions.
-SW

Keez · « **Reply #65 on:** November 19, 2002, 01:09:11 PM »

If something not knowing it is alive is an excuse to kill it... Grab a 9mm and whack the brains of the 2 weeks old baby next door against the walls. You're not gonna tell me it knows it is alive more than before it was born right? Just because it.... well... what does it do more... just because it cries perhaps?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #66 on:** November 19, 2002, 01:12:50 PM »

"excuse"

I'm sorry, I fail to follow this train of thought. The "excuse" is the reason that the mother/father have.

Any other input is tertiary roadkill.
-SW

H. Godwineson · « **Reply #67 on:** November 19, 2002, 01:16:02 PM »

For those of you who have a problem with the death penalty...think of it as retroactive abortion.

Does that make it more palatable?

Shuckins

hardcase · « **Reply #68 on:** November 19, 2002, 01:18:25 PM »

40k children starved to death today in the world. The US has 3rd world stats on childhood deaths. Done anything to save them? Is life "precious" only when you can control some poor women, and be the "daddy" and spank em for doing wrong?

Retroactive abortion.....I always suspected that pro-lifers really only
care about being a "daddy spank", cause when a real life situation arises, they dont seem to care that much. Pro-life and death penalty advocate. You seem somewhat conflicted. Then again, pro-life, you can turn you back on women too.

HC

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #69 on:** November 19, 2002, 01:23:25 PM »

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Originally posted by hardcase
40k children starved to death today in the world.

You'd think with all the love for life and fetus and children... we'd be able to take care of the ones that were on this planet first, rather than bring more in....
-SW

H. Godwineson · « **Reply #70 on:** November 19, 2002, 01:26:42 PM »

hardcase,

Which would be easier, at least economically for these poor women? A 50 cent condom or a $1000 abortion? Which carries the greater health risk? If you are going to aid these poor people, which would you rather pay for?

You continue to speak up for the rights of women who are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves. If I do not speak up for the unborn, who will? They cannot speak for themselves. Some of the attitudes about abortion stem from the mindless attitudes about sex that became popular during the 1960's, a "gift" of the new morality.

Shuckins

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #71 on:** November 19, 2002, 01:29:07 PM »

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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
hardcase,

Which would be easier, at least economically for these poor women? A 50 cent condom or a $1000 abortion? Which carries the greater health risk? If you are going to aid these poor people, which would you rather pay for?

And what if that condom breaks? Hmmmm.... you're out fitty cent, and now you gotta pull $1000 outta your ass.

Why do you speak for the unborn, when there are so many on this planet in dire need of a voice as strong as yours (pro-life), but you are mute to their cries?

Riddle me that.
-SW

Thrawn · « **Reply #72 on:** November 19, 2002, 01:29:16 PM »

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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
For those of you who have a problem with the death penalty...think of it as retroactive abortion.

Does that make it more palatable?

Shuckins

No, and nor is it.

Excuation is a performed on a citizen by the state regardless of the citizens wishes.

And abortion if performed on a woman's body by her own choice.

Thrawn · « **Reply #73 on:** November 19, 2002, 01:30:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Good question. Ask someone in a coma.

People who are unconcience or in a coma already have their rights reduced.

Ever taken first aid?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #74 on:** November 19, 2002, 01:33:50 PM »

Before you start dealing with the unborn, why don't you fellers so willing to stand up for life fight this fight too?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22starving+children%22

And this one:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22poor+children%22

So much money has been spent in the US alone to fight the abortions.. that money COULD have gone to help feed, clothe and vaccinate these poor children.

THEY are going through REAL suffering.
-SW