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« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2003, 09:08:40 AM »
no dowding.... I am saying that freedom has a price.   I am saying that the drowning deaths are acceptable for the freedom as are hiking deaths and race car deaths and gun related deaths... the one difference is that guns prevent crime.

I say that freedom is useful in and of itself.   I don't think being terrorized by thugs is freedom... in england you are used to it and don
't give it a second thought but then you come on here and tell us we should adopt your wussy ways and listen to your nanny "home office".   we have a completely different culture and country than you.   We want less government in our lives while you feel more government makes life better... we have completely different views on personal freedom.... personal freedom costs....

you in your country are more willing to trade security for freedom here... we believe that you not only shouldn't do that but that it is impossible in any case.... you end up with neither..... hiding behind barricades in your home while a burglar loots it is an example.
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« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2003, 09:09:52 AM »
Dowding,

You see no need for us to possess a weapon because you yourself have no need for one.

At least, not at the present time, or under present circumstances.  And you will not need one unless your present circumstances change.  Your government is kind and benevolent and respects your rights.  You cannot conceive of them becoming abusive or restrictive or, in the worst case, destructive of your rights and violent in its actions.  Can you guarantee that it will NEVER happen?  Forever is a long time.

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« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2003, 09:16:26 AM »
Don't know where you got the bizarre barricades in your home idea from. Never heard of it before.

>>we have completely different views on personal freedom.... personal freedom costs.... <<

This is true, and why it must be limited. Any form of society means having restraints on personal freedom.
Because we have more diverse press and media over here, i feel we have a better understanding that our freedoms to act must be controlled at the point where they interfere with other peoples. This is what governments are for, and gun law is a classic case of everybody elses freedom overcoming the freedom of the individual to own a gun.

Godwineson; your .22 is not going to save you if your government comes knocking on the door. Stop watching the Hollywood movies.

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« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2003, 09:23:34 AM »
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no dowding.... I am saying that freedom has a price. I am saying that the drowning deaths are acceptable for the freedom as are hiking deaths and race car deaths and gun related deaths... the one difference is that guns prevent crime.


Your swiss cheese logic is just that. It makes me wonder how you get on at the grocery store, particularly when confronted by the fresh fruit section selling apples and oranges.

I'll ignore the usual jingoistic roadkill that your so apt to spout and ask you to point out where I have said the US should ban guns or follow the UK's path on gun control. I'd like you to find the post where I "tell us we should adopt your wussy ways and listen to your nanny "home office".

If not, then I accept your apology in advance.

Lastly, I don't live in fear of getting burgled or mugged or murdered. And I don't own a gun. I must not be living in the crime ridden hell hole that is the 'pissant little country' otherwise known as the UK, right?

Shuckins - I'm happy with this situation. I'm happy that we have extremely low gun crime. The chances of Great Britain, which has had one the most liberal and progressive society in the world for 400 years suddenly going fascist or communistic are very slim. I'm more likely to get shot by an intruder, I should think. Which is quite ironic.

Do I support the ban? I'd prefer for people to have the right to shoot at clubs and keep registered weapons at home. But I'm not overly concerned with it - I don't want or need a firearm in my house.

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« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2003, 09:28:32 AM »
we do limit personal freedom so far as firearms go.   You are not allowed to shoot inoccent people.    It can't be proven that guns are endangering others freedoms here.  In fact... the oppossite is true..  guns are preventing crime.   If you take out the black on black crime then you can't even say that guns are causing us to have a significantly higher honmicide rate than you... guns are win/win here.

you have over 50% of your burglaries that are "hot"  the people are home... we have only a very small percent and the perpetrator is usually insane or mistaken.   Guns are the tool that prevents hot burglaries.   How much is that worth?   And...

as has been said... we don't trust our government over here.   well, not unless we are women or womenly men anyway..  We certainly don't want anyone telling us what is "for our own good".   That all seems very acceptable to a majority of brits tho so.... there is no pioint in us discussing it since our cultures are so different.  I could not live in england... it is far too restrictive for me.
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« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2003, 09:31:26 AM »
>>we don't trust our government over here. well, not unless we are women or womenly men anyway.. We certainly don't want anyone telling us what is "for our own good". That all seems very acceptable to a majority of brits tho so.... there is no pioint in us discussing it since our cultures are so different. I could not live in england... it is far too restrictive for me. <<


Yes, i'm relieved to say that women got the vote over here quite a while ago. We've even had a female Prime Minister. You should give women a try, you'd probably find you had a lot in common with her.

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« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2003, 09:35:11 AM »
dowding... but you seem perfectly happy with banning firearms and restricting the rights of law abiding citizens in your own country... You support a BAN.  

If you can find one place where I have suggested that you adopt our gun laws then we will have something to talk about... I don't care if you don't have any personal freedom at all.   I simply don't want to hear your opinion on ours especially when you know absolutely nothing about our culture or about the subjedt you are talking about.... guns...

the one thing that all people who would ban guns, from every country, have in common is..... none of em know anything about guns.   Those of us who enjoy the shooting sports and the right to defend ourselves allways notice.... first thing.... that the effenminate hystrionic gun banners are allways completely devoid of any knowledge about the subject that they are trying to ban.

why is that?
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« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2003, 09:40:21 AM »
crowbaby, I think you need to drop the "crow" in your name.  

lazs2, you hit the nail on the head with the .22.  I have talked to people that use this caliber as Self-Defense and it is horrible to use.  I tell them simply, "When firing a .22LR handgun or rifle, you need to also worry about what is behind the intruder.  The bullet will go through them and through drywall.  That split-second thinking about what is behind the intruder, could be your last thought.

Crow, enjoy life in GB.  Leave your silly comments on the other side of the Atlantic.  We really don't care what you think or have to say about gun ownership.  

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« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2003, 09:48:49 AM »
Apology accepted.

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I simply don't want to hear your opinion on ours especially when you know absolutely nothing about our culture or about the subjedt you are talking about.... guns...


I don't think I have given my opinion on your gun laws. Same routine, search for a post that shows otherwise, apology accepted in advance.

You are hypocrisy personified. You claim you don't want to hear anyone else's opinion on guns and say:

"I simply don't want to hear your opinion on ours especially when you know absolutely nothing about our culture or about the subjedt you are talking about..."

...but come up with pearlers like:

"... that the effenminate hystrionic gun banners..."

"England would make a good theme park if it was closer and had a roof over it"

"[The UK is a]... pissant little country..."

You went to the UK once. Once. Does that make you an expert on our culture? Does that make your 'people having opinions about things they know nothing about' statement inapplicable to yourself?

Do you not realise how offensive those comments are? Do you assume patriotism and national pride are an American commodities?

You are a mirror image of beetle with dash more vitriol.
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« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2003, 09:49:53 AM »
>>crowbaby, I think you need to drop the "crow" in your name.<<

O.k. i surrender, they're bringing out the intellectual big guns.


>>We really don't care what you think or have to say about gun ownership<<

Then don't read it :) I, on the other hand, am fascinated by what you guys spout.


>>the effenminate hystrionic gun banners are allways completely devoid of any knowledge about the subject that they are trying to ban. <<

I know plenty about guns. However, your repressed homosexual fear of femininity and women does confirm the link i'd always suspected between inadequacy and desire to own a gun.

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« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2003, 09:49:58 AM »
crowbaby... I am all for ending womens sufferage here.... when we do we can shame the men that are womenly into voting like men..   So far as your prime minister goes.... I will admit... the woman you had was more manly than any of the men since churchill.   You don't really have a lot of choice do you?
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« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2003, 09:54:32 AM »
>>crowbaby... I am all for ending womens sufferage here.... <<

Ah, now i've lost interest completely in this whole topic. Either you've run out of arguments and sunk to inane, distasteful jokes, or you really mean that, in which case i suggest turning your precious guns on yourself.

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« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2003, 11:25:01 AM »
My dear British fellows, I am totally with you on this subject. You have also shot down your rivals here with better logics, hehe.
Oh, almost forgot, - we also had a woman President :D
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« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2003, 11:38:16 AM »
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If not for Roosevelt, USA might have stayed out completely or even been on the German Side,


Well ANUS I think the your TARD is now showing LOL.
Do not ever think that I am anti britt!!!
They have allways been there for use as our friends and allies in times of need.
This should never be forgotten.
If i can make some sense out of the genisis of this whole mess is that some britts think we need gun control?
I disagree a gun is nothing but i piece of steele and wood.
It take a human to use it .
We as Americans do have some BIG problems with gun violence that do need to be fixed and FAST!!
Too many young people every day are dying on our streets.
This is stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So on that This Yank can agree w/ the britts.
But taking away the guns is not the answer at all im afraid.

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« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2003, 12:35:07 PM »
A few years back when I lived in an apartment, I stopped a burglary of my next door neighbor's apartment by pointing my Kimber at the bad guy(an illegal from Mexico), thus convincing him he should hold still until the police arrived.  The apartment was rented by an English couple...the woman was a nurse who worked nights and was home asleep at the time.  Later that evening the woman's husband came over to thank me, both he and the police felt that the would be intruder had rape on his mind more than burglary.  The gent told me that in England, a neighbor might have called the police, and then locked himself in his apartment.  I don't know what the rest of the Brits feel, but the man was thankful that an armed American was watching out for his neighbors, and willing to intervene w/ a gun during their plight.  The US is a different place from the UK, so comparing the gun ownership scenarios between the two countires is exactly an apples/oranges thing.  It is not our permissive gun ownership laws that have caused so many gun deaths in the US(aside from the occasional accident).  What has, and continues to fuel our gun deaths each year is our liberal immigartion laws, along w/ our proximity to Mexico.  Castro exiled many criminals from his country once.. they came here, not to the UK.  Thousands of illegal immigrants pour over our border each year..most are just looking for a way to feed their family...but many are those w/ criminal intent.  Drugs flow easily into our country from South America via Mexico,  fueling the continous killing that goes on in our inner cities.  The UK is, at least geographically, an island without the same challenges/problems faced by the US.  I'm confident that if the UK were in a simialr scenario as ours,  gun laws would more closely reflect the needs of the citizenry.  I'm not criticizing the UK(or other country's) policy in any way.. if it works great.  I am certain however, that if the US were to adapt and actually enforce such a policy, all manner of crime would skyrocket. Although simplistically explained, I hope some of you non-Americans understand why allowing gun ownership here is a good thing.
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