Author Topic: mp3'ers beware (Read 4556 times)

Fishu · « **Reply #75 on:** June 26, 2003, 05:03:18 PM »

Saburos,

..and of course every pirated 'book' means loss of money for the writer... NOT.

How many people would actually buy even tenth of the pirated music they've downloaded?

1) are they really interested in every song as much as to buy it, 2) do they have the money

OIO · « **Reply #76 on:** June 26, 2003, 07:20:40 PM »

Well, the record companies know that they are going down and its not because of piracy (that has been around since the cassette tape recorders were put on the market), but because of the INTERNET making the record companies obsolete.

Aka, when the artists BYPASS the 'middle man' (aka, record companies) and use the internet to distribute, sell and promote their products.

Imagine that you had a really good band. Imagine that in your hometown there was this privately owned music studio as well as a cd-recording company and to boot a web design company.

Whats stopping your band, which has been making decent money locally, from going to the private studio and record a few dozen of your songs in there, then go to the cd-recording company and make a deal with them to have them make cd's for your band, and finally have the web design company set up a website where you sell them CD's ? And have UPS ship them?

Big Record Company effectively eliminated as being the only way to promote your music nation/worldwide.

All thanks to the internet.

And yes, I download music from kazaa all the time, haven't bought a CD in years.

Mainly due to the fact that of the 50 something bands that I like I only like one or two of their songs. Thats like 100 songs. To get them 100 songs i'd probably have to buy 200 cd's just to get the 1 song from each band in a CD album. Avg cost of each CD is $18. 18X200=$3600 .

And they wonder why people dont buy CD's no more? HAH!!!:rolleyes:

Nash · « **Reply #77 on:** June 26, 2003, 07:37:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Why can't PC users have something like Apples Itunes for example?

That should be up and runnin' (Itunes for PC) around September.

Vulcan · « **Reply #78 on:** June 26, 2003, 07:52:26 PM »

Why do we have to wait til September? This could have been done years ago.

They are thieves to the extend of being done in court. They have attempted to monopolize and control the music industry. They promote some absolutel crap as music and try to cram it down our throats.

I have no sympathy for them.

And yes I do still buy some CDs (like Tadpole) where I know theres some decent content.

vorticon · « **Reply #79 on:** June 26, 2003, 09:28:02 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
I'm in agreement with Udie on this (imagine that!)

How would you feel if it was your music and hard work being downloaded for free by others and you don't get a single penny?

Let's say you're an author of a book. Slaved months on it. Now all of a sudden free copies are appearing all over the internet but you don't see a red cent because all of the downloaders are doing it for free rather than actually paying for the book.

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first i wouldent care...if it was my music (hypotheticly speaking of course) im in it for the music not the money...arnt i???

second...if it was my book then yes i would care...care to find out what looser has enough time to convert a entire book to pdf format then put it on the internet...

the only reason why books arnt for free on the net is because it takes to much time and work to do that...if the music industry made it harder to steal music then less people would rip there cds...

me i have over 3 gigabytes of music on my computer...and not 1 song is written by a group or artist that currently exists...and if they do exist there well past there prime...im sure that "the beatles" dont give a **** that i have a song that can be heard on the radio at any time on my computer...

Vulcan · « **Reply #80 on:** June 26, 2003, 09:47:52 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon
me i have over 3 gigabytes of music on my computer...and not 1 song is written by a group or artist that currently exists...and if they do exist there well past there prime...im sure that "the beatles" dont give a **** that i have a song that can be heard on the radio at any time on my computer...

And the RIAA is trying to screw us over by encrypting music and putting security mechanisms on music. By encrypting music it becomes illegal to crack that security, and thus effectively extends the copyright 'forever' under the DMCA.

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #81 on:** June 27, 2003, 12:03:22 AM »

If i delete all my mp3 songs, would they still go after me and sue me (the RIAA) for 1 billion dollars?

SaburoS · « **Reply #82 on:** June 27, 2003, 12:42:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
SaburuS as soon as the record companies engaged in price fixing they crossed the line. They are monopolizing the industry. And remember, 80% of sales come from 3% of artists. So the old 'its hurting the artists' argument is BS.

The Record companies are the ones hurting the artists by refusing to get with the times. Why can't PC users have something like Apples Itunes for example?

What is BS is the line of it doesn't hurt the artist if people end up downloading the music for free. How many people that end up downloading the songs that they actually like and end up keeping actually pay for it?

What I find funny are the people reasoning why they think pirated goods are okay to get. Nevermind that the author, musician, software engineer, etc see exactly ZERO funds from the piracy of their hard work. It all boils down to if you didn't pay for the music, software, etc but you use such copywrited products, you are stealing.

So, you don't like the corporations marketing the product? When's the last time you sent a check directly to the artist/author/software engineer for your pirated stuff?

SaburoS · « **Reply #83 on:** June 27, 2003, 12:49:38 AM »

Vorticon,
If you were a musician full time and spent 40 hrs a week making your music, you wouldn't mind if no one ever paid for your music?
Are you independently wealthy?

Don't miss the forest for the trees on my book example. Let's say you wrote an awesome book that took you ten years to write. EVERYONE is reading and raving about it. But because of the pirating going on, your sales are only 1% of what they should be. Instead of the millions of dollars, you're seeing only about $30,000.

You still think piracy is okay? Look up the word 'piracy.'

It's nothing but theft, pure and simple.

SaburoS · « **Reply #84 on:** June 27, 2003, 12:53:32 AM »

.....leads me to a question (if you all have the courage to answer honestly):

How many have and are using pirated software such as Adobe's Photoshop?
Any other pirated applications/games, etc?

Anyone here NOT have pirated music or software?

Maniac · « **Reply #85 on:** June 27, 2003, 02:04:12 AM »

Djust use an proxy server to become anonymous....

I know i never will be caught

Regards.

Vulcan · « **Reply #86 on:** June 27, 2003, 05:02:26 AM »

SaburoS while downloading MP3s is wrong, so is what the record companies are doing.

So screw them.

I'm not pretending to be all righteous, I'm saying if they want to try and screw me over then I'm happy to return the favour. AND they started it.

So SaburoS whats your view on the record companies admitted price fixed and therefore, monopolisation and antitrust behaviours?

SaburoS · « **Reply #87 on:** June 27, 2003, 06:13:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
SaburoS while downloading MP3s is wrong, so is what the record companies are doing.

So screw them.

So I take it you are reimbursing the artists of the music/songs you like, or are you just using this as an excuse to not pay ANYTHING for it, in a sence, stealing it?

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I'm not pretending to be all righteous, I'm saying if they want to try and screw me over then I'm happy to return the favour. AND they started it.

You are trying to justify your stealing of copywrited material, nothing more, nothing less. The ones who really get screwed are the artists of the songs that you download for free but just won't pay for it. If you really want to screw the recording companies, then you'd download your music and send your royalty checks directly to the artists.
So, why don't you and others do just that(Those that actually don't pay for their music but download pirated music)? The artists will remain in business and continue to make the music you like.

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So SaburoS whats your view on the record companies admitted price fixed and therefore, monopolisation and antitrust behaviours?

If I like the music, I'll continue to buy the cds as long as the price is reasonable. If the price is too high, I wont buy it (I'll wait until it goes on sale.). What I won't do is steal someone else's property. Two wrongs don't make a right (and all that).

Do I like most record company practises? Nope. But then again, they usually don't hold a gun to the heads of their recording artists to sign contracts either.

I am more concerned with the price fixing of gasoline and auto insurance here in California.

You won't catch me stealing gas from the local gas station nor will you find me cheating out my auto insurance policy with a fake claim either. That would be wrong. Period.

If it really bothers you that much, then bring change via the power of legislation through the vote of the people. My guess is that you really aren't THAT upset with the recording companies practices as long as you can get your free music.

So now that I've answered your question, how about you answer mine.

You have/use bootleg/unlicensed software also? If so, same reason as why you won't pay for the music?

Maniac · « **Reply #88 on:** June 27, 2003, 06:31:15 AM »

Who cares.

They will never be able to stop MP3´s, they only loosing more money now...

I for one will continue to D/L

Fishu · « **Reply #89 on:** June 27, 2003, 07:07:12 AM »

SaburoS is funny.. hes speaking like downloading pirated mp3 is like stealing a car.

Now lets see.. mr. A downloads mp3 and mr. B steals gas from a gas station.

- After Mr.A has downloaded the mp3, there'll be another mp3 to be downloaded by someone else, or by Mr.A himself, if he chooses to later download it again for some reason.

- After Mr.B has ran away with stolen gas, the gas station will book direct losses, since the stolen gas cannot be stolen by someone else anymore - or sold by the gas station.
It's permanently lost. (unless someone catches the guy and returns the gas before its used of course)

Oh and.. Suburos.. it's really a 'copyright'.