Author Topic: Complete Military history of France (Read 2218 times)

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #30 on:** February 06, 2003, 09:06:58 PM »

or what we will taunt them a second time ?

Dowding · « **Reply #31 on:** February 07, 2003, 12:58:25 AM »

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Want to talk who first brought slaves to the North American continent?

Who started (and pretty well made inevitable) the eradication of the Native American?

Selective personal responsibility.

Gotta love it.

Toad · « **Reply #32 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:04:30 AM »

Merely a history lesson for those who forget so easily where the original injustice originated that was later corrected with a huge outlay of blood.

Dowding · « **Reply #33 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:08:14 AM »

'Corrected'? I see. Another sanitised term for the relocation of people under threat of violence, like 'ethnic cleansing'. When the British are doing it, it's evil and disgusting. When the US is doing it, it's the fault of the British.

Interesting.

Toad · « **Reply #34 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:09:20 AM »

No, like the Civil War.. North against South?

Toad · « **Reply #35 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:10:35 AM »

And if you're talking about Native Americans, any objective study will show that the vast majority of them were "ethnically cleansed" PRIOR to 1776.

Dowding · « **Reply #36 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:19:23 AM »

Aaah... slavery? The slave trade was abolished in 1807, and slavery altogether in 1838. In the British Empire, as was.

The Constitution was a great document and truly groundbreaking. I honestly believe that. Unless you had the misfortune to be born black before 1865, of course. Then it was a little less sparkling.

The point is this. Ethnic cleansing and slavery as operated by the British was evil. The US had the opportunity to shape its own destiny the moment the Declaration of Independence was signed, and could have outlawed both. It didn't. Blaming the British for events on sovereign US soil is a little too convenient for my liking.

Airhead · « **Reply #37 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:20:46 AM »

but Dowding, it was your fault.

Dowding · « **Reply #38 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:24:10 AM »

I know. But for a 250 year old, I do look kinda youthful. That Oil of Ulay, is just that.

Mea culpa, mea culpa. May I be flensed alive for the sins of my fathers.

Toad · « **Reply #39 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:24:50 AM »

Yeah, you guys ESTABLISHED the institution of slavery here. Prime movers in the very lucrative (for England) slave trade as well.

We win our independence and inherit the institution. In 1807 you abolish the trade, in 1838 you abolish slavery.

It takes us a very bloody Civil War to accomplish that goal.... 27 years after England abolishes slavery.

Deny your involvement all you like. It won't change the facts.

What do you suppose would have happened if England had abolished slavery say in....... 1606, the year before the Jamestown colony was founded?

Would the US ever have had slavery?

straffo · « **Reply #40 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:50:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Furious
I am sure in the eyes of the french I hold my cigarrettes incorrectly

??? you lost me here ???

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, but to me the french government has always seemed to be a bunch of whiny snots.

It's a feeling shared by a lot of French (me included)

straffo · « **Reply #41 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:51:21 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
the only "frenchmen' in the "French Foreign Legion' are the officers , thats why they call it the "french FOREIGN legion ", well ok , maybe some french criminals snuck in.

wrong.

straffo · « **Reply #42 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:52:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
Been there.

The people were fine.

The police, customs, car rental people, waiters, hotel workers, politicans, phone operators, etc were all prime pinheads.

and Paris smelled like an over full diaper.

But, that was 30 years ago.

I hear it's worse now.

wrong ! a diaper refuse to smell that bad.

ever been in Paris Métro ?

straffo · « **Reply #43 on:** February 07, 2003, 01:58:09 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
just think hawk , you could move to france and live there all your life and no frenchmen will ever call you a "frenchmen", but a frenchmen can move to the USA and be a "american" the next day.

That's so true that since they know I'm half polish- half dutch my neighbought keep sendind stone and a lot of junk to my children ... they even wrote "Jew" on my house (yep they didn't evoluate since the 40's)

kbman · « **Reply #44 on:** February 07, 2003, 02:40:43 AM »

Straffo,
Je crois que le mot tu veut utiliser est "evolve" et c'est vrai peut-etre mais ils ont beaucoup de compagne avec cette problem.

kbman