Author Topic: Time for an RPS. (Read 6229 times)

Apache · « **Reply #90 on:** March 12, 2003, 07:31:07 PM »

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nopoop · « **Reply #91 on:** March 12, 2003, 09:06:19 PM »

Quite a few seem to get upset when our Public Relations Officer comes forth with statements advocating a different kind of set up in a portion of the big maps that are now being rolled out.

Let's break this down and see if he is talkin though his hat.

To keep it simple, break seasoned sim pilots down into three groups.

Base takers. Map requirements are minimal beyond having the room to attack bases of choice. Some defended, some not. The base is "there" and by God there going to take it. From what I've seen, might be wrong, they like the bigger maps for the options that come with it.

"Historical" pilots. Granted the Main is a strange place for the passtime but it can be done, and done well. Dracon is a prime example. He enjoys flying in a quasay historical manner. Here again, map requirments are minimal, fuel is not of a concern. With the addition of the base takers he is provided a "historical" situation where ever they choose to attack. A sort of built in "game". There out there, strap it up and enjoy.

Fighters. This when it changes a bit. A fighter is in it for the fight. Please don't be confused, a fighter flys to live, BUT he also flys for the fight. The "fight" is why he flys. While the other options expressed above are admirable and no doubt a hell of alot of fun for the participants, to a fighter, it's a bore.

For a fighter, he has to find the "fight". He has to find a group of his persuasion to go toe to toe with. Where map arrangement for the most part mean little to the first two groups, for the fighter, it's the difference between having a GREAT fight, or flying around looking at the pretty terrain.

Not to say those occupations with addition of GV'ing aren't a blast to those that enjoy it. Hell this game is just plain fun.

There's an area where midwar plane fights exsists right now on a good night.

The CV's

More CV's, harder CV's, bases closer together promote the "fight"

Wonder why the panties get wadded up when some hero sinks the CV ?? It's because it's one of the very few places on the current maps where you COUNT ON getting a bunch of "fighters" having a blast with there hair on fire.

Fighting is just more map "important" then the other groups.

dracon · « **Reply #92 on:** March 12, 2003, 11:21:17 PM »

Nice evaluation nopoop!

I think everything is here as is. Some nights you may have to look harder to find what you want, but it's always there somewhere:)
I think everything stays calm and cool until someone tries to tell others how to play their game or starts lobing Word Granades at another group.

Cyas in another thread somewhere,
To all
Dracon

lazs2 · « **Reply #93 on:** March 13, 2003, 08:25:00 AM »

dracon... fighters don't want to spend a fruitless night searching for good fights. A good fight is one with about even numbers and plane parity.

The current maps are set up so that it is not possible for those two things to happen except by chance. first... you can't have good fights with large even numbers if the fields are far apart and... if the fields are far apart you can't have plane parity. far fields are gangbang and timid maps... they force people into the late fast rides. As poopie points out... us fighters do want a chance to survive... we don't want to "give" away a kill to someone we think didn't earn it if we can help it.

further.... while I have no real respect for the skill of anyone who doesn't fight me on some sort of even keel.... I realize that this is what gets some people off... the advantage... I am not trying to force those people to change or to take away their choice fly in any manner they choose... My idea simply adds something... it takes nothing away except.... the late war guys have can't fly 50-100 mph advantaged planes against lesser ones in one small area.... they can ignore that area for the rest of their lives so far as I care. I think they would be happier with the people that understand them than getting their butts and egos kicked in the little early war area anyway.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

we are not recruiting.. when someone dies maybe we will send you an application but.. probly not.. we don't like you.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #94 on:** March 13, 2003, 08:44:49 AM »

70% of MA is full of spits, n1k2 and La7s. Cant understand why the presence of some G10s or D9s may be a problem to find a typical turn til puke fight.

lazs2 · « **Reply #95 on:** March 14, 2003, 08:25:47 AM »

mandoble.... fly an early war plane for a tour and then tell me how easy it is to find good fights in the infinity and pizza map. Till then... you probly are a little over your head in this discussion.

I like seeing spits. if we could trade every pee 51 or dd9 or gee 10 for a spit I would at least have someone to fight... spits fight. they have to. La7's even are better than the former planes... they at least fight too. If everyone flew what you flew then everyone would be as unhappy as you are.
lazs

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #96 on:** March 14, 2003, 12:25:38 PM »

lazs2, so we must eliminate the SpitIX because the Spit I pilots cant catch it, right? The point is that very few pople fly Spit I and Spit IX is used by hordes or players. Of course, Spit I cant catch 190D9 too, but D9 is used by very few pople compared to SpitIX. D9/G10 presence have a limited impact on those who fly planes like Spit I, in the other hand SpitIX has a mayor impact on them.

Karnak · « **Reply #97 on:** March 14, 2003, 02:29:43 PM »

MANDOBLE,

I like flying the Mosquito. The Fw190D-9 and Bf109G-10 have far more impact on me than does the Spitfire Mk IX.

lazs2 · « **Reply #98 on:** March 14, 2003, 02:30:36 PM »

bull.... I hate dee 9's... I think they should be perked if anything should and I think that seeing one in the game is a bad thing... rather see 100 more spits for every dee 9 we have now.

dee 9's are a useless annoyance for me... at least I can have some fun with spits in the game. I can't imagine what kind of a person gets off on flying a dee 9 in the arena.
lazs

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #99 on:** March 14, 2003, 02:58:57 PM »

Karnak, the impact of a plane in the MA can be easily measured: number of kills and number deaths. The same applies to individual players, do you mean that your moskito has been shot down by Doras more times than by Spits?

Karnak · « **Reply #100 on:** March 14, 2003, 03:21:02 PM »

MANDOBLE,

Actually, I've not been shot down by any of those this Tour.

That isn't what I meant though.

If there is an 190 or 109 icon in the area it massively affects my actions. SPIT and N1K icons simply do not have any real affect on my actions. They are simply not fast enough and I have options against them.

lazs2 · « **Reply #101 on:** March 14, 2003, 04:49:32 PM »

steve.... of course you would advocate leaving things as they are... you fly a pee 51... there is no way that my idea can help your game out... and.... as points out... you will probly lose some of your advantage since there would be fewer less capable planes for you to fly against.

13 tas... flew and flys 51's stevie... of all the 51 squads and individuals... I would say they flew em the most agressivly... they liked to fight... they flew relatively low (for 51's) and felt sorta like you do now. but...

they flew some tours in slow planes.. they have a better understanding now of how this works. I believe that you would be easier to take seriously if you flew a tour in a slow plane like the fm2 or the spit5 .... when you do that we can talk again about how everything is just fine the way it is in the arena..lazs

WldThing · « **Reply #102 on:** March 14, 2003, 04:57:51 PM »

Whats the problem? There can be many fights found if you fly a Spit5 or a FM2, I fly them as much as a P-51, and never have trouble finding any fights..

beet1e · « **Reply #103 on:** March 15, 2003, 06:40:47 AM »

Apache! I had my own RPS thread in here last August. Got all the same whines etc.

What I have had to do since is to contemplate why people fly what they fly the way they fly it. Many people seek a challenge. Others seek WW2 realism. Others still want nothing more than to rack up points on the board so they can gloat about it later. (My schlong bigger than yours - as Dowding might say) Personally, I like a challenge but also like to imagine the role the plane I'm flying might have had in WW2. The P47 with its diving ability and huge armament; the P51 with its speed and range. The 190 with its awesome roll rate; the 109x for its climb rate and "zoominess".

Lazs is right in that if you do choose to fly a slow plane, you might not make it home. I remember whacking a 109 in my F4U, and the same guy then upped an LA7 from a distant field to come and nail me having gained alt, but I managed to barrel roll all the way back to the CV. Gunthr! I always limit the time I stick around because of that - the infuriated enemy will up LA7s from a base 5 minutes away - assuming we're playing on the Bouncy Castle children's maps - less of a problem on Trinity & Pizza.

Another consideration is that "The Kidz" are not renowned for their interest in WW2, and therefore might not see a campaign as a team effort - so no rescues, 6-calls, answers to voxx or textbuff questions - and my k/d takes a nose dive.

I said I liked to experience/imagine what individual planes could do in the real WW2 - not because what I'm flying was necessarily the best at anything. Hehe, that's why I got that VW Beet1e - it's crap, but a whole different kind of fun- and I wanted to know what it was like to have been one of the millions for whom it opened the door to motoring.

Of course, not everyone in the MA has the same objectives as me. The high performance wannabe has no interest in what interests me, and will often be found in a LA7. Only last week, I was in a 190D9, and engaged about four planes - killed all of them. While this was going on, the first guy I killed re-upped to get me. Now here's a multiple choice for you. Did he re-up in a Spit, P51, 109, or.... LA7? See if you can work it out. He got a kill credit of me - I had run out of fuel and augered.

Summary
Being one who likes to experience different planes, and how they were in WW2, an RPS would make the game more interesting. BUT... many players do not have even half an interest in WW2, and want only to fly "their" plane and rack up as many points as possible. That's why they don't want an RPS. And that's why k/t is such a gamey stat.

lazs2 · « **Reply #104 on:** March 15, 2003, 08:48:56 AM »

wilthing said.. "Whats the problem? There can be many fights found if you fly a Spit5 or a FM2, I fly them as much as a P-51, and never have trouble finding any fights.."

well yes.... that sounds good wildthing until you realize that HTC keeps very good stats on what players do. If we take you at your word that you "fly them as much as a p-51," then...

you are indeed having trouble finding fights since this tour you haven't gotten one kill or death in a spit 5 or FM2 you must be having a lot of trouble finding a fight... yu did get 74 kills in a pee 51 and 7 in the dee 9 and one in the 152, 5 in the 262... the only real early war plane you flew was the hurriII and spit one and you got 14 and 1 respectively.

you did get 16 kills in a nik and 10 in an f6f not quite early war but close. so....

It appears that you eaither don't know what you are talking about or you don't know what a fight really is. your previous tour was even more lopsided pee 51 wise. with allmost no kills or deaths in early war planes... you are having more trouble finding a fight than I am.

lazs
Public Relations Offficer for the BK's

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