Author Topic: Why I am agianst a US invasion of Iraq, why I think we're doing it and my hopes  (Read 2089 times)

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Ewww!

If I had to do Clare Short, then you'd be getting it on with Anne Widdecome.

Somehow, I know I'm getting the better deal there. ;)
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Tell you what, Dowding. I'll have my dance with Anne Widdecombe first, and then I'll let you have my brown paper bag to put over your head for your dance with Clare Short. That would be in addition to your own bag of course, as you will need two for Clare. :D

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2.We don't support Saddam Hussein, we just try to slow down Bush and his warmongeres.

3. Nobody wants Saddam alive and his regime [to] survive



I dont see Chirac and the others proposing the removal of Saddam.  The only way to get him out is by force, he's not going to leave voluntarily.  How are they going to do it without force? Sanctions?!?!

The shameful thing is that France is seeming to try to keep this man in power only for money.  Even Vichy France's collaboration with the Nazis can be partially excused as dealing as best it could with a superior power.  What superior power forced Saruman, er, I mean Chirac , to act in this manner?
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« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2003, 10:32:27 AM »
Blitz I got about halfway through this thread and kept reading some of your comments.  Though I don't find anything wrong with germans, and particularly enjoy the company of the exchange students of the female gender;)

Some of the things you say don't make any sense to me.

As far as the signature in every single posting...
Iraq threatens U.S. lives every day.  They're firing at my friends, guys I know in several air force and navy squadrons flyng A-10 Thunderbolts and F/A-18 Hornets.  I don't know if you've ever been shot at, but I would think it takes a person of extreme patience and a long long long temper to not want to shoot back with everything you've got.  Iraq hasn't sat quietly twiddling their thumbs, it's been a shooting war every day since Desert Storm.  These guys are over there right now getting shot at, as they have been for over a decade.  All in support of the immense patience America has shown with Iraq.  Put it this way, if someone pulled a weapon on you and you had a "big gun" in your hands with the safety off and your finger on the trigger...how much restraint would you show in this situation?

As for Europe's (read: France, Germany, Belgium) lack of support?  Oh well.  As I recall when my grandfathers, and there was more than one of them, marched into Paris nobody threw rocks and bricks at them telling them to go away because the German Nazi's at the time were such wonderful, fantastic people.  They embraced them showering them with cheers, flowers, and kisses.  None of these nations were attacked on their own soil.  And this was the first time since the war of 1812 that an enemy has killed so many on American soil on the continental U.S.  You'd better believe that I'm pissed off about that and support any action necessary to seek and destroy anyone in support of terrorism.  I'm very uncomfortable about the thought that there is someone perhaps the same age as I or younger, who would love nothing more than to die killing me, and I've never met, spoken to, insulted, oppressed or angered him in any way.  I dont necessarily WANT to go to war, because I would be the one to fight in the air with my bellybutton hanging in the breeze but you best believe that I will go.  Are there better things to do than to kill people?  Sure there are, but I didn't start this fight.  I will however do my best and do my share to put an end to it.  

American imperialism?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to be an imperialistic nation don't you need to invade, and occupy foreign countries with the intent of doing so for the sake of just doing so or to expand your territory?  I DONT WANT IRAQ.  I don't want Afghanistan, I don't want the Phillippines.  I don't want to take over any country I just want to live in mine without having to think that at any given moment some uneducated peasant who doesn't know better from a poverty stricken nation might be walking into a shopping mall with a bomb with the intent of killing innocent people who don't want to hurt him.  The folks who strap the bomb on him tell him that we want to take his land or we look down on his god or have greatly insulted his honor, but what choice has he got other than to believe that.  If anything I'd spend the time and money doing what America does best.  Cliche yes but the business of America is business.  I'd be more than happy to have America, with its business and industrial superiority act as a consultant to any foreign nation who requested it, pro bono.  Take a country and help them allocate their assets and teach them how they can take what they've got to offer, no matter what it is, and make a good life.  I'd rather go to another country on a 747 in a business suit, than a fighter jet in a G-suit.  Acting as a consultant pro bono would be a hell of a lot cheaper than the billions (pushing trillions) of dollars America gives away each year in grants to aid countries who can't sort out their own problems.  Nobody helps America, but we've always been there for who ever needed us.

After WWII, did we enslave any nations?  Nope.  Did we rebuild all the things we blew up?  Yes.  Did we get Germany and Japan back on their feet?  Yup.  Did we spend the money and sacrifice the lives during the Berlin Airlift?  You bet.  

Pay special attention to this, blitz.  Think again before you call us imperialists, because if we were you wouldn't have the privilege to think let alone say that about us.

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Clare is not exactly top drawer, but Anne... can you even imagine it? :eek:
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Maybe a good fairy will come and depose Saddam with a wave of her wand? Ya think? If we all hold hands and wish really, really hard?



We will try tommorow with a 35km candle light queue from 1 end of Berlin to the other :D


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America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous
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The Germans do know something about this to be sure.

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Sure we know, that's why we wan't to warn our friends from overseas :)



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"long and bloody campaign with millions of dead Iraqis" - that's what the peaceniks would have us believe.



That's not my main concern, Paul Wolfowitz with his new world map  and the politics behind to achieve this, is.



 
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Ahoy Blitz!  See you next month at the con.
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Lookin forward to meet you again and don't let us talk politics there, just shoot each other at the virtuel skies and have some beer together :)


Regards Blitz





America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous

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We will try tommorow with a 35km candle queue from 1 end of Berlin to the other :D


Regards Blitz




America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous



Is there a candle light queue asking Saintly Saddam to resign or is it just another protest against that Evil Bush?

I'm betting you won't see any "Saddam Get OUT" signs at all.
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Originally posted by Rasker
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Originally posted by blitz

2.We don't support Saddam Hussein, we just try to slow down Bush and his warmongeres.

3. Nobody wants Saddam alive and his regime [to] survive



I dont see Chirac and the others proposing the removal of Saddam.  The only way to get him out is by force, he's not going to leave voluntarily.  How are they going to do it without force? Sanctions?!?!

The shameful thing is that France is seeming to try to keep this man in power only for money.  Even Vichy France's collaboration with the Nazis can be partially excused as dealing as best it could with a superior power.  What superior power forced Saruman, er, I mean Chirac , to act in this manner?



Sorry for misunderstanding. Was talkin about peacemarchers opinions not what governments say or may think.


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Maybe a good fairy will come and depose Saddam with a wave of her wand? Ya think? If we all hold hands and wish really, really hard?



LOL Yes!!!  :D

Anything but force, no problems were ever solved with violence...

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« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2003, 02:06:36 PM »
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Blitz I got about halfway through this thread and kept reading some of your comments.  Though I don't find anything wrong with germans, and particularly enjoy the company of the exchange students of the female gender;)

Some of the things you say don't make any sense to me.

As far as the signature in every single posting...
Iraq threatens U.S. lives every day.  They're firing at my friends, guys I know in several air force and navy squadrons flyng A-10 Thunderbolts and F/A-18 Hornets.  I don't know if you've ever been shot at, but I would think it takes a person of extreme patience and a long long long temper to not want to shoot back with everything you've got.  Iraq hasn't sat quietly twiddling their thumbs, it's been a shooting war every day since Desert Storm.  These guys are over there right now getting shot at, as they have been for over a decade.  All in support of the immense patience America has shown with Iraq.  Put it this way, if someone pulled a weapon on you and you had a "big gun" in your hands with the safety off and your finger on the trigger...how much restraint would you show in this situation?

As for Europe's (read: France, Germany, Belgium) lack of support?  Oh well.  As I recall when my grandfathers, and there was more than one of them, marched into Paris nobody threw rocks and bricks at them telling them to go away because the German Nazi's at the time were such wonderful, fantastic people.  They embraced them showering them with cheers, flowers, and kisses.  None of these nations were attacked on their own soil.  And this was the first time since the war of 1812 that an enemy has killed so many on American soil on the continental U.S.  You'd better believe that I'm pissed off about that and support any action necessary to seek and destroy anyone in support of terrorism.  I'm very uncomfortable about the thought that there is someone perhaps the same age as I or younger, who would love nothing more than to die killing me, and I've never met, spoken to, insulted, oppressed or angered him in any way.  I dont necessarily WANT to go to war, because I would be the one to fight in the air with my bellybutton hanging in the breeze but you best believe that I will go.  Are there better things to do than to kill people?  Sure there are, but I didn't start this fight.  I will however do my best and do my share to put an end to it.  

American imperialism?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to be an imperialistic nation don't you need to invade, and occupy foreign countries with the intent of doing so for the sake of just doing so or to expand your territory?  I DONT WANT IRAQ.  I don't want Afghanistan, I don't want the Phillippines.  I don't want to take over any country I just want to live in mine without having to think that at any given moment some uneducated peasant who doesn't know better from a poverty stricken nation might be walking into a shopping mall with a bomb with the intent of killing innocent people who don't want to hurt him.  The folks who strap the bomb on him tell him that we want to take his land or we look down on his god or have greatly insulted his honor, but what choice has he got other than to believe that.  If anything I'd spend the time and money doing what America does best.  Cliche yes but the business of America is business.  I'd be more than happy to have America, with its business and industrial superiority act as a consultant to any foreign nation who requested it, pro bono.  Take a country and help them allocate their assets and teach them how they can take what they've got to offer, no matter what it is, and make a good life.  I'd rather go to another country on a 747 in a business suit, than a fighter jet in a G-suit.  Acting as a consultant pro bono would be a hell of a lot cheaper than the billions (pushing trillions) of dollars America gives away each year in grants to aid countries who can't sort out their own problems.  Nobody helps America, but we've always been there for who ever needed us.

After WWII, did we enslave any nations?  Nope.  Did we rebuild all the things we blew up?  Yes.  Did we get Germany and Japan back on their feet?  Yup.  Did we spend the money and sacrifice the lives during the Berlin Airlift?  You bet.  

Pay special attention to this, blitz.  Think again before you call us imperialists, because if we were you wouldn't have the privilege to think let alone say that about us.



You talk about american imperialism , not me.

Are Americans the people with the better qualities? Nah, they just people like others, some good, some bad.

My girl is comin soon , may be tomorow longer reply.



Regards Blitz



America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous
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