Author Topic: Friday The 4th (Read 5264 times)

Arlo · « **Reply #75 on:** April 04, 2003, 12:52:38 AM »

Did the A6M5 suddenly disappear from the AH planeset altogether? I seem to recall you gents doing pretty well in it against our F4U-1s in our squadron duel.

The F4U-1 getting whined out of the CT as ransom for more IJ planes is one of the most pitiful tactics I've ever seen.

Hell, how can I support the IJ planeset improvement any more than I already do? Oh yeah .... by supporting the banning of my preferred (and squadron) bird from the CT until it happens.

Bring on the Nik. Bring it in droves. Ignore the whiney-arses (on both sides).

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With the noted difference that the F4U-1 had gone 45 or so to 8, whereas the N1K2's get whined away when they're breaking even, or even negative in K/D because most Allied guys don't seem to like the slightest challenge.

If it was N1K2-Js vs F4F-4s you'd have a similar problem to what we faced in A6M2s vs F4U-1s, and I would fully support the removal of the N1K2-J from any such hypothetical scenario.

Arlo · « **Reply #76 on:** April 04, 2003, 12:54:33 AM »

Oh bulltoejam. Support is support. If starting pro-IJ threads will cut your BS, so be it.

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Slash27,

I have no idea who is in your squad. I have no idea if anybody in your squad has made such a post. By your own admission though, to your knowledge, nobody in your squad has ever created a thread requesting Japanese aircraft.

Posting a "Me too" in somebody elses thread doesn't cut it when your preffered side needs opposition as badly as it does in this case.

Xjazz · « **Reply #77 on:** April 04, 2003, 01:02:15 AM »

S!

. "How I can play in CT like this?! Setup & planeset is BS! (sniff sniff)"

Each CT setup last just 1 (one) week.

Accept the challenge.

Its just a game.

Arlo · « **Reply #78 on:** April 04, 2003, 01:11:59 AM »

From the mouths of Finns.

1Duke1 · « **Reply #79 on:** April 04, 2003, 01:53:44 AM »

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Any set up that Features a plane type (fighter) that is that domanating is not a good match up, I dont care what collor it is.

Sooooo.....the FM2 (should be a Brewster which is slower) vs. Yak/LA5/109's is an even matchup????

And to ask a question...what was the "even plane speed" matchup in the Tunisa setup?

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The Allies will then proceed to use their 5 to 1 numerical advantage to crush the Ki.61s and A6M5s.

As I stated earlier, havn't been in the CT for almost 2 weeks now...but before that, don't think the numbers have been this lopsided in quite awhile.

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Posting a "Me too" in somebody elses thread doesn't cut it when your preffered side needs opposition as badly as it does in this case.

Well, gosh golly gee.....what's the point of someone even starting a thread if others can't post their support for whats being stated?

Here's a thought wondering why HTC doens't add more JN aircraft....historically in the CT, a PTO setup has low numbers flying for the JN. Why, well we all know the plane set sucks. So some folks leave and don't fly the CT for that week, really showing a lot of "support" for the CT there. A week goes by, and a new setup arrives (not PTO) and the numbers go back up. HTC sees this and says, why should we support adding any PTO aircraft, particularly Japanese when the numbers for a PTO CT setup suck anyways? Let's just give them more of what they are supporting.

Sorry, IMO posting on the BB whining to get new aircraft is just not going to get HTC's attention.

Batz · « **Reply #80 on:** April 04, 2003, 02:32:02 AM »

Whatever Arlo I maybe flew 2 times in that set up.

As long as Brady is a cm theres no hope for f4u-1s vrs a6m2s in his setups, and thats great. Goto the main for that. All the unlimited blue planes you could want.

Dueling is different then arena play. In arena play you get many runners and gangers. Chasing them around is not fun. Late war pac set ups have had the lowest ct attendence. The idea in dueling is to fight. The f4f a6m2 is a fine match up. If you dont like it dont fly it. Or go set your match up in h2h and see if can get 4 guys to fly the a6m2.

When I was in the Navy I dont remember this many whiners, but I was on a Submarine.

brady · « **Reply #81 on:** April 04, 2003, 05:37:13 AM »

"Sooooo.....the FM2 (should be a Brewster which is slower) vs. Yak/LA5/109's is an even matchup????"

Over all that was a great plane set, so what if the Brewster was slower I killed tones of the Wildcats with My Huricane II. The plane set on whole neads to be considered not just one plane in a line up like that.

"And to ask a question...what was the "even plane speed" matchup in the Tunisa setup?"

If your refering to the last one I beleave the G-2 had the advantage, it was added aganst my recomendation, but it was done to balance the plane set due to the over use of the Spit's, eschanaly a hugly lopsided set up in favor of the allies existed untill it was added...or so i was told.

Plane set balancing is not always Black and White, their are subtalites to it.

HTC models planes largly bsed on What well sell in the USA, Why else would they model so many super early war Japanese planes and set them aganst so many Late(er) war US Modles? Or have such an Overwhealming Large portion of US planese modled in AH compared to any other country.

For the Most part I see a lot of people complaing hear about the fact that I think the Pac set up's nead to be structered in such a way that that they dont give the US a Huge advantage, the down side is the limiting of the F4U is a primary factor in this, this is Just my take on it, their are 3 other CT stafers who may feal diferently than me.

Arlo · « **Reply #82 on:** April 04, 2003, 07:19:26 AM »

Hey goof. The request isn't for the hog vs. the a6m2. The request is for a late-war pac to be added to the rotation. Yeah the early pac F4F vs A6M2 works. I'll be on the allied side in the Guad scenario. You're on the Axis side, correct? I bet when you served you were the only whiner in the sub service, so you're probably right. I know the guys doing shore rotation at our base were sure as hell more happy-go-lucky than you.

Ya axis-head-wet-your-pants-at-the-thought-of-a-hog-in-CT goof.

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Originally posted by Batz
Whatever Arlo I maybe flew 2 times in that set up.

As long as Brady is a cm theres no hope for f4u-1s vrs a6m2s in his setups, and thats great. Goto the main for that. All the unlimited blue planes you could want.

Dueling is different then arena play. In arena play you get many runners and gangers. Chasing them around is not fun. Late war pac set ups have had the lowest ct attendence. The idea in dueling is to fight. The f4f a6m2 is a fine match up. If you dont like it dont fly it. Or go set your match up in h2h and see if can get 4 guys to fly the a6m2.

When I was in the Navy I dont remember this many whiners, but I was on a Submarine.

Löwe · « **Reply #83 on:** April 04, 2003, 07:26:30 AM »

Guys.

My question is if this setup was so popular, how come there are so many CT regulars who don't want it? The Japanese are going to be out numbered anyway, fine.......... Give us something to fly beesides the A6M2.
I know brady I know....................

Still I'd rather fight F6F's and F4U's in an A6M5, then F4Fs, and P-40s in a A6M2. Guess i'm just warped that way.........

Nifty · « **Reply #84 on:** April 04, 2003, 09:20:35 AM »

so many regulars that don't want it? I see the same 5 people saying they don't want it. The sole reason is because they want to fly the Hellcat or Corsair. It's not that you don't enjoy the setup, it's that you want to fly another one more. Hey, nothing wrong with that.

I'll do say that I agree with Karnak, brady and batz that the late war Pac sets turn into a baby seal clubbing festival. I do agree that people would bring the F4U-1 and do nothing but cherry pick in it (which is what they should do in it.) Didn't bother me any, it's easy to avoid a pure BnZer that obeys the 30 degree rule. Not one person that was in a Hog that I saw knew how (or should I say, chose) to try and E-fight with it, so they were harmless if you kept an eye on them.

I fly both sides in the early pac stuff. I like flying the Zero and Val, and I enjoy the Wildcat as well. I find both sides are challenging. (except for the Ki-67. waaay too fast for this setup, IMO.)

As for flying the Zeke in this setup? Keep your SA top notch first of all. Don't give the 'Cats a shot at you, no matter what. Don't go for a kill unless it's clean and you're safe. To get kills in the Zeke, get in CLOSE. Have your convergence on the 20mm in pretty close as well. Aim for control surfaces, or if you have a shot from the 4 or 8 oc, aim for the cockpit. Do NOT just wail on the fuselage of a Cat with your 20mm. It'll take all your ammo to knock one down. Best bet is to remove the stabs, or to take out an aileron while on the deck and watch him wallow and spin in. You have to be in close so you can aim for a wing. 200 yards ain't close enough. I'm talking 100 yards. It doesn't take much to shred the ailerons, and those things roll and turn like slugs with a damaged one.

Also, fly with a damned wingman. I'm sick of hearing the squeaking of "there's always another Wildcat! There's never just one of them!" Well, fly with another Zeke so that other Wildcat has someone on his arse to think about.

Slash27 · « **Reply #85 on:** April 04, 2003, 09:25:35 AM »

Posting a "Me too" in somebody elses thread doesn't cut it when your preffered side needs opposition as badly as it does in this case.

Uh ok. Sorry I wasnt there for you. I was too busy with my " Bring the F14 to the CT" thread to give you the proper attention. What exactly do you suggest here Karnak? We arent getting any new planes till AH II is released and even then who knows when we will get new Japanese rides. Why do you guys always go to squeaking about the Allies because HT hasnt delivered a better plane set? Every time we talk about a PTO it degrades down to this. Keep beating this dead horse, I think you're getting some where.

Look at your call for a set up. You want every USN plane there is enabled. You guys fail to consider the point of view of others, those who dont care to fly blue planes.

Yeah, keep those "facts" rolling in Batz, you're starting to be productive. Hey, call someone a whiner again, its been more than 5 minutes.

Ya axis-head-wet-your-pants-at-the-thought-of-a-hog-in-CT goof. LOL:D

Löwe · « **Reply #86 on:** April 04, 2003, 09:43:11 AM »

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Uh ok. Sorry I wasnt there for you. I was too busy with my " Bring the F14 to the CT" thread to give you the proper attention.

ROTFLMAO!
Slash this whole thread was worth that one line. I think if you get the Tomcat we ought to at least get the N1K2!:D

Slash27 · « **Reply #87 on:** April 04, 2003, 09:57:04 AM »

hehe:D

Batz · « **Reply #88 on:** April 04, 2003, 01:25:43 PM »

No Arlo you are still whining like a little squeak over the fact Brady took the F4U-1 out of this set up last time.

Then it was an F4U-1 vrs the a6m2.

GhostRider2110 · « **Reply #89 on:** April 04, 2003, 01:28:17 PM »

I really don't know what the big deal is.. I will be flying Allied and that will give ALL the IJN pilots LOTS of chanced for a kill.. hehehehe

Thanks brady and CT group for the work you do...

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