Trinity curse

[Toad]

Beet1e, it may just be that the current strat model is just as goofy and "porked" for some folks' gameplay as all the others that have gone before.

When:

1. A very small group of folks can pork the fuel at every frontline base in a relatively short amount of time

and

2. It takes 7 slooooooow trips in a C-47 or an M3 to bring base fuel from 25% to 50% and not everyone has hours or even ONE hour to play on a given evening

and

3. 25% fuel isn't much flying time for at least half the planeset

and

4. Some folks enjoy the early war/small gas tank planes far more than the later aircraft

then some folks may have a legitimate point. Even if you personally don't percieve it.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Toad
Beet1e, it may just be that the current strat model is just as goofy and "porked" for some folks' gameplay as all the others that have gone before.

When:

1. A very small group of folks can pork the fuel at every frontline base in a relatively short amount of time

and

2. It takes 7 slooooooow trips in a C-47 or an M3 to bring base fuel from 25% to 50% and not everyone has hours or even ONE hour to play on a given evening

and

3. 25% fuel isn't much flying time for at least half the planeset

and

4. Some folks enjoy the early war/small gas tank planes far more than the later aircraft

then some folks may have a legitimate point. Even if you personally don't percieve it.

Oh OK. Now I get it. You want those nasty fuel porkers to fly the way you want, ie not pork the fuel. I never saw that in the AH rule book. Never even saw the rule book!  

Why don't all the furballers simply go to the DA to play? No strategy in there... but no, they insist on playing in the strat-packed MA, but then whine about the strat.

[Toad]

Nice try.

I don't care if people want to pork fuel. See, that's the almighty strat and I can live with it.

But when one guy can make two or three passes and damage the fuel to the point that it takes 7 sorties of about 15 minutes each to get the fuel just back up to 50%, I think the almight strat is way out of "balance".

You think that one guy should be able to have that much effect?

IMO, either it should be harder (take more of your "team effort") to pork the fuel down below 50% OR it should be easier (take less of a "team effort") to resupply the fuel back up to 50%.

If you disagree, how about we implement this: One guy in a jabo can eliminate all but the M3 and the M16 GV's at a base until seven other guys resupply the GV base which gives back the Panzer and the Osti, then seven more resupply sorties and the Tiger is back?

Sounds right to you, I bet.  

Heck, why not make it 400 resupply sorties for fuel? Has about as much probability as someone flying 7 goons in, using up his entire night's playing time.

[Toad]

OH, btw... I think I've played far more in the DA lately than in the MA. It's just much more fun for me. But I have no problem with those that disagree with my assessment. It's personal preference after all.

[beet1e]

What was the expression you once used, Mr. Toad? I believe it was "stunning reversal".

IMO, either it should be harder (take more of your "team effort") to pork the fuel down below 50% OR it should be easier (take less of a "team effort") to resupply the fuel back up to 50%.

Ah yes, the old "should be" syndrome. I remember old Lazs objecting to my inferences about how AH should be played, and then (about a year later) was whining about how some organised guys were "ruining the gameplay" for him. (As always, links available upon request )

But what's this latest post from Mr. Toad... two "should be"s in the same sentence.

Remember back to those golden days, when you were all for laissez faire? Times they are a-changing! Or should your comments above had had a sprinkling of and/or ??? Because it's not so long ago you said this:



I guess you're finding the current arena set up a little scary, disappointing, or "unfair". Or maybe you would like a nanny to give those naughty fuel porkers a spanking. :D:D

ROFL

[lazs2]

no beetle... he is saying that those nasty fuel porkers shouldn't have such a huge effect on other peoples gameplay with so little effort  and talent involved.  seems simple enough to me.   Now... why are you advocating ruining the  resuply guys fun?  

let's say that if a person flew a goon one sector and dropped on any friendly field.... he would then resupply every friendly field with  full fuel...  you would say that one guy was having too much effect on a lot of players working for strat wouldn't you?  or would that be fine with you?
lazs

[sax]

Beetle, get a hobby.

[lazs2]

beetle could use a hobby but.... I sure hope that jakal doesn't own a dog.   It would explain too much.
lazs

[Toad]

Think about it Beet1e.

Low fuel severely restricts the big piece of the planeset that has small gas tanks, ie: the early war stuff.

Low fuel does not affect all aircraft (and thus all players) in a similar fashion, thus it severely restricts choice.

It absoulutely does not enchance freedom of choice within the planeset. To the contrary, it limits plane choice and this limitation is exacerbated by the longer distances between bases in Trinity.

I see my position now entirely consistent with what I said then.

Have Trinity. Have strat. Don't let one particular strat feature make a large part of the planeset nearly unusable. That's freedom of choice.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Fariz
Afraid couple more trinity rotations and my squad will just stop to exist. People reject to fly this one. Really not good for strat players, at least with 32 people squad limmiter as it is now.

The problem with Trinity is that there aren't enough carrier groups.

Carriers can shorten the distances between fights.

Carriers can shorten the war by allowing invasions of bases from shorter distances.

As for the other discussions in this thread, you can't pork a carrier's fuel supply without taking the whole thing down.  FM2s, Zekes, and Seafires for everybody!

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lazs2
beetle could use a hobby but.... I sure hope that jakal doesn't own a dog.   It would explain too much.
lazs

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[beet1e]

ROFLMAO!!!!  You guys are priceless.

Next, you'll be advocating against the effect that .50 cals have when fired into your asses. After all, having your elevator shot off kind of restricts your choices. And we can't have that, now, can we?  

Wake up, guys!  Get a freaking grip! The whole point of an aerial attack is to destroy targets, thereby limiting options available to the enemy. You now saying this is "unfair"? Geez, I've seen everything now.

Whatever next? I guess you'll be calling for bombs filled with cotton wool, so that your "choices" won't be limited by fluffs/jabos. Or calling for indestructible fighter hangars, so that your choice of fighters will be un limited. Or calling for indestructible fuel tanks, so that your choice of fuel load out will never be affected.

You guys still whining because enemy action reduces your "choices"? Well of course it does! That's the whole idea!!!

[Toad]

Is strat meant to eliminate the early war planes? (Note that it only has this effect on Trinity and to a lesser extent on Pizza.)

Why spend time programming them then?

[beet1e]

LOL Mr. Toad!

Is strat meant to eliminate the early war planes? (Note that it only has this effect on Trinity and to a lesser extent on Pizza.)

Why spend time programming them then?

 Time for you to read your own sig block again!  

Sounds to me you want choices, but only your choices. When the other guy begins to steal a march by hitting your strat targets, this is deemed to be unfair!!!  

LOL - What bullshit!!! Toad - I thought you were a man!  

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e
ROFLMAO!!!!  You guys are priceless.
Whatever next? I guess you'll be calling for bombs filled with cotton wool, so that your "choices" won't be limited by fluffs/jabos. Or calling for indestructible fighter hangars, so that your choice of fighters will be un limited. Or calling for indestructible fuel tanks, so that your choice of fuel load out will never be affected.

You guys still whining because enemy action reduces your "choices"? Well of course it does! That's the whole idea!!!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pssssttt beetle, don`t look now , but that has all been asked for in prevoius threads with the exception of the cotton wool Boomers.