k/t needs to be taken with a pinch of NaCl

[MANDOBLE]

K/T beet1e? Several examples of how accuerate that factor is:

1 - A poor guy flying C202 that, after enganging with ten bandits, destroyed one, damaged three and got a single assist. Then that C202 made its way home pinging a last enemy. 20 mins flight, 1 kill. 3 k/h.

2 - A niki vulching at an enemy base, getting 8 kills and then crashing against the control tower. 10 mins flight, 8 kills. 48 k/h.

3 - A La7 taking off from an attacked field and killing 3 heavy jabos before crashing. 5 mins flight, 3 kills. 36 k/h.

4 - A P51 scorting a group of buffs towards a far away enemy base. 45 mins flight, no kills but all buffs returning alive. 0 k/h.

5 - A 262 traveling an entire sector, killing 3 enemies, then rtb to initial base. 10 mins flight, 3 kills. 18 k/h.

6 - A 109G10 capping friendly HQ, intercepting several buff waves killing 2 of them and damaging four more. 25 mins flight, 2 kills. 8 k/h.

[lazs2]

mandoble..  you give examples of single sorties with set parameters when in the real MA  things average out over an entire tour.   If you onlyu flew one plane and it happened to be a 202 or spit one or hurri one then I could see your point since they have such a hard time getting a kill.   everything else would average out...

The niki couldn' t count on finding a vultch ... the 262 might have planes sucessfully dodge him all tour... etc.

even if you fly only one type of plane every tour ... your k/h would still be a good indicator of how changes to the arena affected the action.

a person flying a 202 agressivly in a good arena would still have a higher k/h than one who was timid.
lazs

[SlapShot]

Hey Skuzzy ... I hear the head hitting the wall in this thread.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by SlapShot
"I could go wide. I just don't want to, like you don't want to spend the extra 45 seconds getting to the furball.

There ya go ... I knew you had it in you.

You have no interest in gameplay, and your statement proves it. Your agenda is a personal crusade. I'm done with you.

Bye-bye (giggle)

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And remove all doubt that you're an ass?  It will be a funny thread but somehow I don't think the joke will be on Laz.


Ack-Ack

Ack-ack, I gotta take the shot.  I just gotta.  I can't help myself, you left an opening I could drive a P38 through...

What is this fascination with my ass??

[ccvi]

Originally posted by rshubert
If I launch from 2 to 3, and climb at 175 mph, it takes about 14 minutes to get from 2 to 3.  Assume 1200 fpm climb (heavy), and I have climbed to ~17000 ft above base 2 altitude.  If the bases are co-alt, I'm well above the ack, above most of the defenders, and can deliver ord and maybe get out alive.

That's really really easy to solve.

Airstarts, for lights, heavys and bombs alike.

Fair fighting no matter how far the fields are.

Equal climb times (=0) for all.

[ccvi]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
K/T beet1e? Several examples of how accuerate that factor is:

I know someone who claims to be able to prove that someone is a runner by looking at K/D and K/hr

[Drunky]

In before the lock.

I dont know who this hubert is but he shure is annoying.

He might even get put on probation for his continued personal attacks against Lazs.

Yet somehow I feel safer with hubert showing us the difference between right and wrong and protecting us

[beet1e]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
K/T beet1e? Several examples of how accuerate that factor is:

1 - A poor guy flying C202 that, after enganging with ten bandits, destroyed one, damaged three and got a single assist. Then that C202 made its way home pinging a last enemy. 20 mins flight, 1 kill. 3 k/h.

2 - A niki vulching at an enemy base, getting 8 kills and then crashing against the control tower. 10 mins flight, 8 kills. 48 k/h.

3 - A La7 taking off from an attacked field and killing 3 heavy jabos before crashing. 5 mins flight, 3 kills. 36 k/h.

4 - A P51 scorting a group of buffs towards a far away enemy base. 45 mins flight, no kills but all buffs returning alive. 0 k/h.

5 - A 262 traveling an entire sector, killing 3 enemies, then rtb to initial base. 10 mins flight, 3 kills. 18 k/h.

6 - A 109G10 capping friendly HQ, intercepting several buff waves killing 2 of them and damaging four more. 25 mins flight, 2 kills. 8 k/h.

The mathematics might have some bearing, but is inapplicable to non-fighter sorties. My P47 buff intercept sortie is a case in point. I had to fly to HQ - a long flight, then locate the buff formations. After I killed the first one, he has informed his friends. So I have to go hunting for the other two groups. A long flight. Can't remember my fuel loadout - was probably 75% plus a 75 gallon drop tank.

On other occasions, I'll up a 109G10 to play with some Spits. With the benefit of tuition from Urchin, Grunherz and Ecke, I was able to get two 6-kill sorties back to back. (Just saying that to piss Lazs off ) So, to add to your list:

7 - A 109G10 mixing it with some Spit Noobs (later a YAK), killing 6 of them. 11½ mins flight, 31k/h. Actually the flight is clipped - the RTB phase has been truncated, as some people reading this wouldn't understand things like that.

Click here to get the film. I always like to substantiate my claims.

But I like Rshubert's maths lesson better. He makes some good points. I am not against game changes where there is a clear problem which adversely affects everyone. But I am vehemently against game changes when the only justification is to favour one particular gameplay style, to the detriment of all others.

It's late. Bedways is rightways just now. Time to get me some spatchka.

Toodle-Pip.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Drunky
In before the lock.

I dont know who this hubert is but he shure is annoying.

He might even get put on probation for his continued personal attacks against Lazs.

Yet somehow I feel safer with hubert showing us the difference between right and wrong and protecting us

I get called names, you think that I should be put on probation when I respond in kind?

Read the threads, drunky.  It's mutual combat.  And Lassie is a jerk.

[Shane]

i gotta stick my .02 in and laugh at the anklehumpingslobberdonkeystat weeniehordemonkeys before it gets locked.

[nopoop]

Mutual combat...

Shubert you were reversed when you started this current tack of posting.

Your first mistake was thinking it was a fight.

Your second was thinking there was something to win.

Let it die, your looking bad.

Your turning into a pull-chain toy.

But hey, do what ya want. It's your keyboard.

..and it's free

[Toad]

Originally posted by rshubert
Now, toad, don't get into the whole name-calling thing we have going on here.  I already have your new nickname picked out, and I don't want to have to use it...

I'm acting like  a jerk

See, I'm not name-calling anyone.

I just hold up mirrors and some folks choose to preen themseleves in public.

Nice of you to admit it, however.

Please do call me a name... I find  your self-absorbed preening entertaining.

[Shane]

Originally posted by nopoop
But hey, do what ya want. It's your keyboard.
..and it's free

he's new, too.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by rshubert
It's my dime, my time, and my opinion.  Thank you for yours.  You're on his side of the debate, and trying to pressure me to get out of it.  And that's ok, because it's your dime, your time, and your opinion.

[/B]

Your dime does not entitle you to constantly harrass other players on this free forum.  You've gone beyond stating your opinion into acting like a lovelorn sixth grade love muffin.  I'm not trying to "pressure you" into getting out of the debate.  On the contrary, I'm trying to explain to you how your behavior undermines the very positions you're attempting to argue regardless of their validity.  If you'd drop the ad hominem, people might actually take you and your arguments seriously.

I'll let go of lassie's tail when he stops being such a jerk on the message boards.  Until then, I will attack, attack, attack.

[/B]

Let Lazs dig his own grave if that's what he's going to do.  In the meantime, here you are digging your own and not even realizing it.

Back in the early days of message boards (back when they were called bb systems, before the internet was a big thing) we called clowns like him "Flamers".  

[/B]

And I wonder what they called people like you who got so bent out of shape by "Flamers" that they acted infinitely worse in comparison.

-- Todd/Leviathn