Author Topic: SPYING...........stop doing it FFS..... (Read 3025 times)

Grizzly · « **Reply #30 on:** August 08, 2003, 08:45:40 PM »

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Originally posted by sling322
Heh I am all for fighting but when 40 planes are inbound and its just you and 2 friends.....its time to find someplace else to go. That may be coming in behind the horde and taking on stragglers, but to stand in the front of the freight train steaming right at you and trying to put up resistance isnt too smart.

We're not talking about a couple planes avoiding a flight of 40. We're talking about the flight of 40 avoiding you.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #31 on:** August 08, 2003, 08:54:35 PM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
Had a strange encounter last night. We had a missun goin with only 10 in it. Ofcourse it was a missun to break up the regular routine. So we upped 109e4 and stukas. Well during our climb out along comes 2 cons on dar. We were still in a friendly sector so all they could see was a dar bar. Then we noticed that they are not looking for us they know where we are exactly and are making a b line straight for us. Not in visual range yet we press on and they are hot on our tail. So the 109s head towards the threat to meet them. Its a temp and a 109g series. the temp engages 5 109e's but we notice that the 109 presses on joined by a p38 now heading straight for the stukas which our not in visual range. To make along story short we questioned how they knew exactly where we were. Answer: "We saw how slow the dar bar was moving and figured it was bombers."

I must admit that was an interesting answer... Never seen dar move slowly.

Unless you were flying below radar coverage or in a dead spot, your dots would have shown up in the sector, so that's how the probably figured out it was you. And the guys answer about the dar bar is pretty accurate. If you see a dar bar move from sector to sector slowly, then you pretty much know it's either a fighter grabbing altitude or a formation of bombers. And depending on the direction of travel of the 'dar bar you can pretty much tell if it's a figher or bomber. If the dar bar moves from sector to sector towards a strat target or a base in the rear area, most likely it will be a bomber formation.

If you can see dots on your radar map, you can be pretty sure that the other sides can see them too and vector to you for the intercept.

ack-ack

jamusta · « **Reply #32 on:** August 08, 2003, 09:10:30 PM »

I thought the dots only appear when you are within their bases radar range? Am I wrong? We were still 2 sectors away from any enemy field. We were heading for their cv north of one of our bases that was still one sector away. No doubt that the darbar showed it was a missun. But I know they couldnt see our cons on the clipboard. I hit the radar button on the clipboard to see if we were in range. It was just a strange coincidence..No biggie. The p38 got shot down the 109 ran from me and i never seen what happened to the temp.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #33 on:** August 08, 2003, 09:44:08 PM »

Well here's my input. Now I've never heard of this happening. The closest thing I've heard is that someone had saw a large dar bar and diverted there squadron to defend. To me thats just being aware of whats going on across the spectrum or in your general area.

If this is in fact a problem one thing that could be used to fix this issue is only allowing a persons IP or Code there logon so that they can only join one side per night. Now I'm sure there'd be ways around this if someone is willing to pay 30 dollars a month or more to spy. But how many folks would really do this. Maybe get a buddy to do it and relay info across another voice chat program. But when it comes to that kind of situation you have no defense against it. Thats just a matter of integrity on the individuals who choose not to fight the fair fight.

If nothing can be done the folks who have integrity will still fight with pride and fight till theres nothing left.

Eagler · « **Reply #34 on:** August 08, 2003, 11:27:57 PM »

most of the tardness started when the price dropped to $14.95 ...
just sayin...

beet1e · « **Reply #35 on:** August 09, 2003, 12:57:30 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
once you leave the pure combat envelope and get into dweeby missun stuff you are bound to get things like spys and suicide porkers and such to go along with the whole timid (as deja so elequently puts it) 40 against none missunz to kill toolsheds.
lazs

Maybe we could solve it by moving the fields closer together.

Tumor · « **Reply #36 on:** August 09, 2003, 01:28:28 AM »

People spy... old complaint... HTC will never do squat about it... people will continue to be retards. Same'o Same'o AH stuff.

SOB · « **Reply #37 on:** August 09, 2003, 02:01:13 AM »

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Originally posted by sling322
Heh I am all for fighting but when 40 planes are inbound and its just you and 2 friends.....its time to find someplace else to go. That may be coming in behind the horde and taking on stragglers, but to stand in the front of the freight train steaming right at you and trying to put up resistance isnt too smart.

Pansy.

SOB

hazed- · « **Reply #38 on:** August 09, 2003, 01:09:04 PM »

I think some of you are kind of missing the point of the thread. Basically its just asking for a bit of honesty in your game.

If someone is giving info then tell them to P*ss off

just play the game how the rules of the game want you to.We will all get a better game experience if people didnt always try to use every trick method they can to win that measily kill. From induced warp to hiding carriers its all crap and so lame it amazes me anyone would want to bother.

If you really want fights all the time then private message me and ask for a 'type' of mission you desire.we'll agree on numbers and set up a huge fight.

We'll agree to fly say 20 bombers+ 10 escorts to a certain target and on your side you set up 25 fighters to attack them. If all players are AWARE of what the fight will be like they will have fun rather than getting frustrated at the sudden appearance of an unexpected and uneplainable force like when you have hidden from radar but find people already on their way for your goons.
Then guess what you could reverse roles and do the same for the other country. You might say 'ahh crap no one would do it' but if it was done just think, you will have an area known to all where you are garenteed a fight.No mindless searching for them like now.This is something i for one would like and im sure others would like to see.What if we did one huge mission to the center of the map, each country fielding 30 fighters or so and set the missions up so they all arrive together at a fair altitude, Then its furball time!!

why not use our energies to do this sort of thing rather than trying to discover how long we can hide a damn aircraft carrier off map!?

My point is play fair and your wins/kills are all the more rewarding.

for asking something so simple theres again an awful lot of people trying to make me out the villian for asking it. Why so hostile? perhaps you use these very methods to gain an upper hand? makes you wonder.

hazed- · « **Reply #39 on:** August 09, 2003, 01:12:41 PM »

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Originally posted by sling322
Heh I am all for fighting but when 40 planes are inbound and its just you and 2 friends.....its time to find someplace else to go. That may be coming in behind the horde and taking on stragglers, but to stand in the front of the freight train steaming right at you and trying to put up resistance isnt too smart.

Hazed..... I believe that this has got to be the most ridiculous complaint I have ever seen on this board. I mean.....for Cod's sake.....are we not allowed to kill goons now?!?!

what if you were to plan a mission to intercept that horde with an equal 40 people?

if we did organise a bit more battles like this might be commonplace.

Its a 'dreamworld' hope for this sort of cooperation online but I still would like to see it. goon thing answered above >>>

sling322 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 09, 2003, 02:52:04 PM »

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Originally posted by hazed-
what if you were to plan a mission to intercept that horde with an equal 40 people?

Because the "mission" guys dont care about defending a base being ganged. They are already on their way to gang an undefended enemy base.

SKurj · « **Reply #41 on:** August 09, 2003, 07:22:28 PM »

When I see a big bar appear at an enemy field I watch carefully, I will mention it on chnnl 2. Usually that results in next to no response.

If I am close enough to the bar I may go an investigate from high alt. Often that will end up with me diving into the horde, dying or fleeing with a broken plane. Only to reup and go goon hunting.

Trying to get an anti-mishun mishun up, takes too much time. By the time anyone realizes you are for real, the first wave is within a few minutes of diving in. As the only defender... I'll do whats neccessary to save the base... kill goons. a 50 plane base capp'n mishun can be stopped by killing the 1,2,3,4,5 or however many goons. And its nice to pee em off too!

The mishun will toss itself against the base, and as the enemy augers or dies, the mass slowly depletes itself as they move onto some other even less defended target that MIGHT be easier.

SKurj

FT_Animal · « **Reply #42 on:** August 09, 2003, 07:36:51 PM »

I have to agree, ay least in part.

While the fustration of the occurance can really be troublesome, spying is a part of war, it has always been a part of war. Where ever there is a war there IS spying.

For the most part most players resort to spying because they are, or have, gotten walked over and feel the need to add a low blow to the situation to get back on top or out from under the succession's thumb.

The FACT that spying is going on will teach the players\squads on how to avoid this, no less then in real war.

If a spy has gotten into a situation to know enough to be harm, then your mission is sloppy.

Design codes and names for channels so that you can announce to change to a designated channel. example,

anim: All squad members turn to alpha3 which could mean channel 156. Use odd numbers, never something like 222.

This is a part of war, the more your tatics become more professional like, the more players will want to be a part of it.

It's not up to the player to stop using the tactic, however a low sportsmenship, it's up to the defender of the ploy to design his missons to avoid the problem in the first place. This is part of realism.

Why were you shot down>? because at some point you made a mistake and made your 6 available.

If you make too much information available then whose fault is it really>? Some info will get through. Prepare your attack to deal with it.

It's not entirely inappropriate to kill a fly with a sledge hammer.

anim

Mathman · « **Reply #43 on:** August 10, 2003, 03:21:23 PM »

So when I up an La 7 and go goon hunting, its because a spy told me?

Damn, and all this time I thought it was the 30 idiots porking a base, flying at 20k en route, massive dar bar, and low, slow moving dot on the horizon that let me know that someone was trying to take a field.

Thanks for clearing this up hazed!

acepilot2 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 10, 2003, 07:11:01 PM »

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Theres the arguement 'in war there are spies' or other such lame excuses for their cheating but i the war they didnt have spies with access to full plans 10 minutes before a raid and perfect instant comunication with the other sidewho, in turn didnt have to rely on a single player in a c47 to capture bases, this game is nothing like the real process.

UHHH exactly. Lame excuses. Some noob was saying that on the country channel he was gonna go spy on the bish. I told him not to because whether we like it or not in this game spying is technically cheating. He said "SO? IN REAL WAR THERE ARE SPIES!?!?!?" Yeah, but this is a game...

It is almost funny...they are such excuses. For all you spies out there, learn how to fight like a man.