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Offline Ghosth

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« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2000, 02:26:00 PM »
Well I've been flying the Yak a fair amount lately. Love its speed and climb, great for either angles or E fighting.

Trick to me is to make your first shot count.
Some guys get VERY close, I prefer to open up around 300 but make darn sure something breaks when I do.

Would also love to see some of the loadout variables this bird & it's variants had. It would really add to it's popularity I think.

Besides, it would be a sweet little tank hunter with a big gun in it  

As to the 190A5, well nothing bad to say about it here. It and the P47 have pretty well balanced out the F4U-C. (Thank you HTC)

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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2000, 02:42:00 PM »
Even though my K/D and gunnery are way down(Trying some new stuff out)

I'd have to agree that the 109g10 with a 30mm is still my prefered dueling fighter of choice...

1/1 i dont think that 109g10 can be beaten by another type of aircraft(Equal pilot level)

nothing can touch the g10's pure abiltiy to out manuever a enemy through engine power


10 mins WEP

4k/min +  climb   (sick)

That is really a energy pilots dream with a crazy rudder that when coupled with throttle management can out radii any other plane using YoYo's and e bleeding nose overs


Just my 2 cents....

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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2000, 03:50:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
     No good words for your CO that helped ya in the 190 !?!

Tour 1 thru Tour 5 190A8 K/D Ratio:
Berzerkr: 1.34
Ram- 1.66
Weazel- 2.26
Udie- 2.37
Ripsnort-4.2    
Hristos- 7.2



LOL Rip   I meant dedicated Fw190A8 pilots, and we all know you did ride that blue chicken-of-the-sea a lot of times,not to mention that Captured La5 that you loved so much    

Also all the ones I mentioned are using or have used extensively A5...I only see you in Hogs   Thats why I kept you out of the list but you know what do I think about your skills like pilot  

Said that, 1.66K/D in A8 in Tour5...<sigh> I suck  

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« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2000, 04:13:00 PM »
hi all:

well just tell me what plane you want the stats destoyed on, i'll start flying it and in no time at all, it will have lousy stat's,
i can die better and faster then any of you.

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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2000, 04:20:00 PM »
Am I the only one who finds it amusing that when the 109G10 and 190A5 benefit from using the "big guns" it is portrayed very positively ("popular plane, great k/d")... and when the subject of the F4U-1C comes up, all I hear is whining, squeaking, and moaning?

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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2000, 04:29:00 PM »
<Sits down with a bowl of peanuts and a six-pack> This oughtta be a good one. Wonder where Juve is when ya need him?

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« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2000, 04:50:00 PM »
Please, stop the insanity!

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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2000, 06:36:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by wolf37:
well just tell me what plane you want the stats destoyed on, i'll start flying it and in no time at all, it will have lousy stat's,
i can die better and faster then any of you.

   I surely am partly responsible for the Yak-9U's poor score. I've been flying it as my main ride for weeks, but I'm afraid this poor pilot doesn't deserve this great mount.

It's a sweet plane, but my main beef with it is not its weak armament, but its small fuel capacity.

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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2000, 06:58:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by banana:
<Sits down with a bowl of peanuts and a six-pack> This oughtta be a good one. Wonder where Juve is when ya need him?


<Sets down next to banana, hands him a can of "OFF", grabs the package of Brauts...>


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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2000, 07:54:00 PM »
Verm  

 
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As to G10 performance (And this one makes me laugh  )

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Regarding the guns; gondolas give too much drag and performance degradation for me; I never fly with them
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Heheh degradation in regards to what? Even with Gondola's, the G10 climbs faster than a Pony, accelerates faster than a Pony, and is at least as fast (I think its faster, but I would have to test it to be sure). Plus it has about 65%  more total firepower, and much better snapshot capability (the nature of cannons vs. MG's). So your still outperforming just about every aircraft in the inventory in the most important categories, and you have more firepower too boot. The only major category thats significantly degraded is in roll rate, that I will agree with you. But I can live with that.
Hm, here I must disagree with you; turning ability is affected; you lose a good bit of more speed in scissors; acceleration goes down. Climb rate drops some too.
The 51 is faster at altitude, but at the deck a light 109 can catch a P51, although not by much. Enough to run away from a co alt co e P51 though  . With regards to armament; not sure how much the 109 can deliver per second, and how much the 51 does. However, the 51 has laser beam .50's. Compared to the 109, very little lead is needed. Also very many rounds in the air make chances of hits quite likely.

I never survive a good bounce by a P51. The snapshot ability seems more than adequate; especially as they can open up at almost twice the range and still expect to hit.
The 109 lives and survives on three things; climb, acceleration and flat out speed. All the rest of the characteristics are rather poor, with the exception of rather nice low speed handling and stalls (IMHO).

I fight aggressively. When I have to extend, the enemy is usually d3-400 my 6 and either closing or holding about the same speed. I've found that with gondolas, I am unable to do vertical or horisontal scissors effectively. Furthermore, the degradation of acceleration *and especially top speed*, makes it harder t get away alive.

Ponies can catch you flat out if you have gondies.

I gather we fly the G10 somewhat differently. Preserve my e if there are higher enemy cons at d4-5, but other than that I rely on dives and acceleration to get speed back after hi g yo yo's.

 
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Umm.... No. The Yak-9U has the exact same armament setup as the standard 109. A single 20mm cannon that fires thru the hub, and is located inside the V of the engine. Plus, two nose mounted (above the engine) heavy MG's
(12.7mm vs 13mm).

And I believe you have the MG and Cannon ammunition capacities switched in your example. I think the Yak's 20mm ammunition amount is pretty close to the G10's.
Eeek, you are correct; it actually has a little less cannon rounds; 120. Sorry about that mistake. The YAK has less ammo than the G10, but not by much. It shouldn't be enough to drive off dedicated YAK drivers, just as the 150 round capacity of the G10 hasn't driven me off.

 
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And the difference between the 20mm MG151/20 and the 20mm ShVak is essentially negilible. Both guns even have the same installation weight of 42kg. The important statistics of the two guns.

MG 151/20 20mm x 82 ( 92 g) 740 rpm 800 m/s
ShVAK 20mm x 99R ( 96 g) 800 rpm 860 m/s
YAK gun is superior  . Not by much, but at least I was right about this. Phew.  
 
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The real difference is that the 109 series has the option of the Mk108 30mm (even if some pilots don't like it), and the ability to carry gondola's.
I'll buy it, if you buy my argument about 30mm being ineffective against good sticks. However, it doesn't apply to me, who never carry 30mm or gondolas  . Most do not carry gondolas as far as I know, so I do not believe the difference is purely attributed to guns.
 
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Just having the option makes a big difference
Not if you ain't using it  

 
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« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2000, 08:09:00 PM »
 
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Am I the only one who finds it amusing that when the 109G10 and 190A5 benefit from using the "big guns" it is portrayed very positively ("popular plane, great k/d")... and when the subject of the F4U-1C comes up, all I hear is whining, squeaking, and moaning?

Doesn't matter what game you're talking about, Luftwobbles never change.
Hm, well I thought about editing in my views on the A5 as the new dweeb plane, but decided against it. Maybe this was wrong; to my dismay there are millions of 190s up in the air now, and very few of them are A8's. This far for me: A5 kd: 2 kills, 1 death. A8: 21 kills, 3 deaths. I flew it extensively in tour 6 (62 kills, 8 deaths) and it is a very capable plane. As is the F4U, any variant.

It's just the gun package of the C that bugs me, and the way many people use it. That combined with the huge difference in k/d between the two f4u models sparked my negative comments about them.

The A5 sucks above around 18k. The F4U has an advantage here. Also, hi speed handling, the F4U is better. Not sure about top speed, but I am never able to catch F4U's when we are co alt. Of course, the A5 has a much better rate of climb, especially low.

But it does not have 31 seconds of 20mm d1.0 fire. Instant Death(tm) require the FW driver to move in closer by a good margin, and lead the target more.

Luftwobbles never change?  



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« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2000, 12:06:00 AM »
Santa, I'll repeat my offer:

Film something that others can repeat and verify that shows the F4U-1C guns can do something the the FW-190 guns can NOT do inside of 900 yards, air-to-air, with 10% more hit flashes for the FW (to account for the historical difference in the leathality of the round) and I'll buy you a month of AH.

In truth, the F4U-1C and the FW-190A5 are very, very similar as fighters in the MA. The stats reflect that as well, when you subtract vehicle/C-47 kills.

I agree there is a major difference against tanks (although kill stats show M3/M16 kills pretty close). I asked Pyro about it in the "3 questions" thread and we all saw his answer. Guess that's how it's going to be.

...and RAM....it IS the pilot, not the plane. However, that doesn't apply to just the FW.  

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« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2000, 12:23:00 AM »
all the crap   give the Lw a  190 who haz hispanons and we stop whining and even C  hog will only run away  

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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2000, 01:57:00 AM »
Oh yea and the FW-A5 has the acceleration the F4U can only dream of ..

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« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2000, 06:01:00 AM »
 
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Film something that others can repeat and verify that shows the F4U-1C guns can do something the the FW-190 guns can NOT do inside of 900 yards, air-to-air

Toad, it is very very simple. Fly a 190A8 or A5 during some days and then take your own conclusions about their snapshot capability (NULL beyond 250-300 yards). Do the same with F4U and you'll be amazed how easy is to kill with extreme angles at distances beyond 500 yards.
I hope my videos arrived to your site, I suppose you have noticed that every single hispano hit on the B17 caused damage (one hit = one red item in damage list) until the cut of the left wing. In the case of 190, it required more hits to cut the wing, and no damage at all until wing tip was off (in both cases, fire was concentrated on the left wing and from very short distance).

IMO, hispanos and Mg151/20 are anything but comparable guns, at least, in AH world.