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Offline Rude

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« Reply #75 on: August 28, 2003, 04:12:32 PM »
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What does kind of surprise me is that most of the BKs and TAS, with the important exception of Apache, are opposed to an RPS. And yet an RPS would give these guys just what they are looking for - an arena in which their T&B furballing skills could be deployed to the fullest extent.


I have always supported the RPS....do the work Beetle...check the RPS threads for the truth of the matter.

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« Reply #76 on: August 28, 2003, 04:24:16 PM »
"The "no fights on the pizza map" argument/whine has undergone a metamorphosis. It became "no fights on the pizza map that I can find", then "no fights on the pizza map that I can find and that I like", then "no fights on the pizza map that I can find and that I like and that involve early war planes" and then "no fights on the pizza map that I can find, that I like, that involve early war planes not exceeding 6K".

The metamorphosis is due to your self-imposed myopic interpretation of "no fights on the pizza map". You, myself, and anybody else that flys on AKDESERT or any MA map knows that there is never a situation where there aren't any ("NO") fights going on. It's just you who chooses to take the literal statement and make an argument out of it.

You really prove nothing other other than you like a spirited argument and have found other posters to "BBS Furball" with.

I have fired the bullet twice at you and you have dodged it both times ... fly just early war in the weeds for 1 to 2 weeks and then come back and tell us your experiences.
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« Reply #77 on: August 28, 2003, 04:38:52 PM »
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« Reply #78 on: August 28, 2003, 04:50:30 PM »
BTW Slapper, ty for getting my back... even if you were on it at least twice the other night   "Slapshot has shot your slow arse down, you have been killed again, dummy."

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« Reply #79 on: August 28, 2003, 06:53:05 PM »
Steve -
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Beet1e, thank you for that heartwarming opening in your response to me.
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Well I will address my K/D since you brought it up. Except when I forgot to press the attack buttion,  my fighter stats are for the pony, and the attack stats are for the rest.  You once complained that others were misrepresenting your K/D.  well here you are doing the EXACT same thing to me. What you don't know about my stats other than the pony is that for the last couple tours in the spitV and FM2 I have been "fightin anywhere, any time".  This includes often upping at vulched fields,  fighting multiple high bad guys etc.  In fact, I'll look for a friendly base w/a large enemy darbar in the sector so I know I'll get instant action. Frequently this means I'm fighting from the time I press "go".   I'm doing this for fun and to learn these two planes.  so you're tright my K/d isn't that great., but I'm learning and having a ton of fun at the same time.
Erm... no. The score pages show a breakdown by fighter and attack sorties. But I was not looking at that. I was looking at your stats page, which amalgamates fighter and attack sorties into one stat for each plane type. It makes no difference how you score it. So what I said still stands. You have learned to run with your P51D crutch, and if that's what you want, more power to you! :) Try learning some new planes, and getting better than 8/1 in those.

Steve, k/t means bugger all. It depends on many things, and is more a measure of how busy you are, not how good you are. In Euro hours, there may be fewer than 100 people online. In "US Prime Time", the attendance rises to 500 or more. Don't try to tell me that this has no bearing on k/t.

Anyhow, all this stats crap is way off topic. I only put mine here to repudiate Lazs's horse crap.

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I have fired the bullet twice at you and you have dodged it both times ... fly just early war in the weeds for 1 to 2 weeks and then come back and tell us your experiences.
Why should I? What bearing does that have upon whether or not there are fights to be found on the pizza map? That, after all, is the subject of this thread - boring pizza. I'm here to show that it isn't boring, and there is plenty of combat to be found.

So the lot of you - stop picking at personal stats, scores, plane types, scoring methods, k/t, k/d, - the whole damn pissing contest. Cit said that it was too spread out and boring, with no decent furballs. All I did was disagree, and produce film to substantiate my point of view.  

It's really quite simple to stay on topic. In fact it's easier than finding a decent fight on the pizza map. :D:D

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« Reply #80 on: August 28, 2003, 07:42:57 PM »
As beet1e dodges the bullet again ... we must now call you "NEO".

"Why should I? What bearing does that have upon whether or not there are fights to be found on the pizza map? That, after all, is the subject of this thread - boring pizza. I'm here to show that it isn't boring, and there is plenty of combat to be found.

Why shouldn't you ? ... you can't tell where we are coming from until you have been there ... we all have been where you are at ... why don't you do the same.

You haven't show us anything ... what is not boring or exciting to you is incredibly boring or not exciting to us. Your definition of a "fight" is not anywhere near what we define as a "fight". Until you get down in the weeds, you have no ground to stand on and preach the "fight".

Get down in the weeds or are you ... ummm ... chicken ? ;)

Steve ... I LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT (get it ... seconds)  ... LOL ... payback is a biatch ;)

On the other hand, once you have spent more time in the weeds, you will become one of the most dangerous pilots in AH and then payback WILL be a biatch.
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« Reply #81 on: August 28, 2003, 08:03:45 PM »
Beet1e:
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Try learning some new planes, and getting better than 8/1 in those.


OK, pick one for me.

Beet1e:
Steve, k/t means bugger all.

Beet1e, let's just agree to disagree.   I personally feel that K/T is a good indication of aggressiveness.  I do agree w/ you however that K/T can be effected some by the less #'s of bodies in the arena during your prime time. However, you've stated that you have no trouble finding fights, which means your k/t should be fine......which is it?


Run w/ my P51 crutch.. lol it's slower than your plane of choice.. ironic you should try to say something like that.

Tell ya what, maintain my K/D with just half my K/T in the pony.
Do that even and I'll allow that your words on the pony and myself have some credibility.
How can you possibly call me a runner when my numbers eclipse yours by such a huge number?  I'm killing twice as many planes per hour as you... if I'm a runner... what are you?  You have rarely fought me. In fact, you've NEVER killed me in the air....NEVER.  Why are we having this discussion, you have NO idea how I fly, lol.
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« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2003, 08:16:45 PM »
look back on topic... its this simple:

pizza and all the large maps make AH feel like a 32 player game as there is never more than this on both sides in one spot

worse yet there is ussually a large imbalance in sides with often 2-3 vs 20 or 11 vs 2 or worse 30 vs 3
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« Reply #83 on: August 28, 2003, 08:19:58 PM »
and odds like that make it boring for either side. I avoid fights where its nothign but green and no red because there is no action. I will fight a red solid bar on occasion but it takes a fast plane like a 262 or a large altitude advantage
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« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2003, 09:04:27 PM »
Beetle knows all, thus he has stopped learning.

He tells me of his style which I was flying 10 years ago....he tells me about my fights, yet he never participates....he posts one film of what he calls a good furball and tells us we don't know what we speak of.

Beetle(slap)...snap out of it man!!! Stop kidding yourself!!! :)

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« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2003, 09:50:06 PM »
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Originally posted by Citabria
and odds like that make it boring for either side. I avoid fights where its nothign but green and no red because there is no action. I will fight a red solid bar on occasion but it takes a fast plane like a 262 or a large altitude advantage


I saw a fight of sixty rooks versus thirty bishops last a good thirty minutes today. Rooks showed two sectors of solid red for at least that long before moving on. Maybe you could reset the map if you got smart and spread out? At least you support beet1es approach with your comment about 262s and altitude advantage.

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« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2003, 10:17:27 PM »
Hmmm, setting the big war of words aside, I kinda like the pizza map (OK so I'm weird) but, I HAVE flown 100% fuel out of a G10 on a US  late afternoon (CST) and not even seen an enemy dot.  I flew over 2 enemy bases and did a glider landing at a friendly field that I went to cause i thought it was under attack.  They were all dead by the time I got there :(

I think the furball argument has merit, but there are sometimes good fights to be had without a furball.  They are just hard to find.

But the absolute worst is when I fly around and find the darbar disappear and then being on the very dregs of my fuel, I find a fight with 1 or 2 guys who proceed to ping me and watch me glide to the ground after a couple of passes.  This seems to happen to me most often on the pizza map.

So anyway...whats the answer?
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« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2003, 10:26:52 PM »
Same answer that made Trinity better. Move the fields closer together, either by making some V fields into A fields, add some A fields and/or CV's or by physically moving the fields in a bit.
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« Reply #88 on: August 28, 2003, 10:40:48 PM »
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beetle... no hero worship here at all...  what yu are seeing is people who understand your style from a lot of personal experiance and obsevation telling you that.... well.... you don't really know what yu are talking about...   As for me....

I claim no skill.. I have a blast... the guys like slap may talk about me because... they see me... they are doing the same as me.   they see me all the time and they see how I fly.   Sometmes I do fair.   I see a lot of the same guys... 13th guys, slap, mars, wadke BK's swagger etc etc....   they are all probly better at this than I am but I sure enjoy their company...   with the boring maps I don't get to fly with/against these guys...  We laugh and joke on 1 and kid each other and, actually do, steal kills from each other... we shoot cons off each other and all those guys get multiple kills when they are the lowest plane in the fur and have a 3/1 dissadvantage.    So yeah....

given all that....your bragging is kinda annoying .   It's like rut acting like he understands..... anything.

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« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2003, 04:05:52 AM »
Slapshot/Rude et al. OK, now I get it. You're talking about weed-wacking being the only "real" fights, and you want me to do some time in a weed-wacker of my own. Well I'd like to see you guys wacking off in the weeds, but it wouldn't work for me, and here's why. I have no squad. My squad was a buff squad and the guys in it became disillusioned with gameplay for them, cancelled their accounts and left. You guys, however, often post about various squad events, and about what a "blast" you had on such and such night. I have even seen posts about joint TAS and BK ops, and there is much uniformity with the avatars etc., and it's patently obvious that you fly as a sizeable and well coordinated group. Fine - I'm happy for you.

I, on the other hand, have a very different set of problems to deal with. I fly alone. I take off alone, go to a base where I think the "action" might be, with no intelligence report... I have no idea who else will be there when I get there, and no idea of the number, alt, and types of planes that will be there when I get there. So I just assume P51/LA7/Spit ix/YAK9U (also N1K but that's no real threat), and that works for me. In the fighting that follows, there will be almost NO voxx communication, NO 6-calls, NO real coordination, and absolutely no way I could survive in a FM2 or Spit V at 6K, or down in the weeds, especially with no voxx and no other communication. You have to remember that in the hours that I play, many of the guys online do not speak English. Some do speak English, but it's not always their first language. Also, the arena is not without its tardz.

I envy you guys that can team up. Believe me, it makes a world of difference. In my last days at Brand-W, I used to team with the Scanian Griffins in 190A4s -rudu- (great leader) and -sach- (possibly best wing man in the game). And my results would skyrocket. Key ingregients: Well not skill, obviously, as I have none, as Lazs has pointed out. But organisation, communication and coordination. Didn't need many of us - just three or four, and we could really clean up.

That is why I won't be jumping in any slow planes and hovering in the weeds at 6K. But you have a point, and I hate having to use uberity. (But what's a guy to do, on his own, against an arena full of late war monsters?) That is why I've been trying the lesser 109s lately, the F4 and G2. That might seem to be no challenge to you, but it is for me. I found the 109s the hardest planes to learn, and was possibly the worst 109 pilot known to Brand-W, until BBGun started helping me. Of course, were we to have an RPS as Rude and Apache would like, that would change matters entirely.

But let's reverse things a moment, Slapshot. You take the role you have in mind for me. Get up in a Spit V during Euro hours, on your own, fly to where you think the action is, at 6K, and see how long you last. See how many 6-kill sorties you get. And film it. And then we'll have something to talk about.

Steve!  OK, for your next plane, would you be happy to choose the 109E?

Of course k/t is determined by other factors. That's why I have to listen to all your freaking whines about the pizza map, fields too far apart, "no fights"... I also note that some of you guys are disdainful of landing sorties, and simply auger rather than waste time RTB, thus boosting k/t. Besides, in previous tours I have been a jabo pilot (ranked at 3 or 4 in the damage stakes one time, would you believe) so I'm not looking for k/t on those flights, but looking to lay my eggs and then convert the sortie into a fighter sortie. Of course, I'd be wasting my virtual breath discussing that in the company of fighter jocks who see no point to field capture, so let's move on.
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Run w/ my P51 crutch.. lol it's slower than your plane of choice.. ironic you should try to say something like that.
Hehe, well your plane of choice turns and rolls better! Besides, I have flown a veriety of types in this tour. My favourites these days are 109 (G10,G2,F4), P47D25, F4U(1D and 1C) F6F and 190A5. Just confirm which is my plane of choice? I don't fly any of the above as exclusively as you fly your Pony. By the way, what kind of 6K weed-wacking results do you get in that? But you're right. I have never killed you in the air. Hardly likely to happen when we're on the same side.