Author Topic: school vouchers (Read 4172 times)

midnight Target · « **Reply #120 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:29:45 PM »

Anyone have evidence of a voucher system that worked?

Trell · « **Reply #121 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:59:32 PM »

has any county tried the voucher system yet?

I see no reason not to try it somwhere in small numbers to try it out.

i think it is a good idea. as long as the goverment does not put too many strings on it.

btw I am not sure that it will work.
I am sure that people that already have the money and send there children to private school are really pushing for this.
so you could say that this is more for the rich then for the poor

Rude · « **Reply #122 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:07:12 PM »

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Originally posted by fd ski
Fatty: then we are getting into equal opportunity discussion and that........ can i say it..... COMMUNIST ?
I would argue against such a move. Doesn't accomplish anything.

Rude:
State credited teachers, fine. How many ? Also, it's a private school, do private schools today have to have state credited teachers ? All of them ? Somehow i'd guess that most heavly religious schools don't, or at least not all. If that's a case, i'll get credited and open a school "Bart's Kick bellybutton High". You can open a charter of my school anywhere in the state, i have proper accreditation, you teach your own kid and i get 10% of your voutcher money. Once a month you bring a kid for a "test" consisting of two questions "which way is up, and where is the check ?"

Would that work ?

Now you're being silly

Rude · « **Reply #123 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:09:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
My bet is that within 30 years of the privatization of the public school system it will be so corrupt , and disgusting we will give up on it.
I can imagine it now, US history brought to you by Pepsi! 80 percent of private schools owned and opperated by Rupert Murdoch.( the buyouts and the mergers will be rampant and hilarious, GO NABISCO HIGH !). The idea of choice of private schools to chose from will be gone pretty quick. Education lobbyists will fight the oil and big tobacco for who gets the most free handouts. Oh man the comedy that will insue is almost worth it!

What you speak of may happen...ya just left out the part about the graduates being actually educated.

miko2d · « **Reply #124 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:25:19 PM »

midnight Target: Anyone have evidence of a voucher system that worked?

Definitely. Any family that tried the voucher system for a year and did not go back to the public school is a proof that the voucher system worked in their particular case.

Of course their definition of "work" may differ from yours. Theirs may be "getting better education in a safer environment for my child" while some other's mey be "providing secure jobs to incompetent teachers and power to their union handlers".

miko

Fatty · « **Reply #125 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:32:02 PM »

Trell, people that already have the money to send their kids to a private school are not likely to be in a school zone that would qualify for vouchers unless they are a resident slumlord.

fd ski · « **Reply #126 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:32:32 PM »

I'm not being silly

I'm just pointing our extreme to illustrate the point. System will be open to wide spread abuse and will end up heavly regulated - thereby removing benefits that today private schools have - thanks to lack of said regulation.

midnight Target · « **Reply #127 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:35:25 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
midnight Target: Anyone have evidence of a voucher system that worked?

Definitely. Any family that tried the voucher system for a year and did not go back to the public school is a proof that the voucher system worked in their particular case.

Of course their definition of "work" may differ from yours. Theirs may be "getting better education in a safer environment for my child" while some other's mey be "providing secure jobs to incompetent teachers and power to their union handlers".

miko

I meant specific examples miko. And not "did it work for family 'A'?" Has it done a better job for the community?

Trell · « **Reply #128 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:43:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
Trell, people that already have the money to send their kids to a private school are not likely to be in a school zone that would qualify for vouchers unless they are a resident slumlord.

I am thinking up the road a little, or if they did this nation wide.

Trell · « **Reply #129 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:46:20 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
I meant specific examples miko. And not "did it work for family 'A'?" Has it done a better job for the community?

they need to roll it out in large numbers (a whole city or community) to see if it helps the community as a whole. and or at least a 3-4 year trial

Rude · « **Reply #130 on:** September 09, 2003, 04:11:27 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Anyone have evidence of a voucher system that worked?

Positive Results from Current Voucher Programs

Currently, there are several programs running in the United States that are using some sort of school choice. Paul O. Peterson and David E. Campbell of Harvard University's Program on Education Policy and Governance studied the scores on tests from Dayton, Ohio, New York City, and Washington D.C. Scores for African Americans increased in all three cities. No other changes were noted from students of other ethnicity's. The difference between black and white scores also decreased when compared to the average of the entire United States. Samples were chosen at random. Minorities took a great advantage of the programs in these three cities. As stated earlier, except for African Americans, there were no signs of change in overall test scores (Peterson).

fd ski · « **Reply #131 on:** September 09, 2003, 04:19:15 PM »

Hold on, so let me get this right: vouchers are for poor so that they can go to a private school ?

I thought they were for everyone, like "all the taxpayers" so that they had a choice with their kids education.
That would be free market.

What you guys are describing is forced equal opprtunity program and being good republicans that you are, you should hate it instead of advocating it.

Fatty · « **Reply #132 on:** September 09, 2003, 04:37:32 PM »

Isn't that what I said?

A bunch of times?

midnight Target · « **Reply #133 on:** September 09, 2003, 04:39:50 PM »

New York City has a voucher program?

Kieran · « **Reply #134 on:** September 09, 2003, 05:44:33 PM »

I have a question, Rude... where did all the other children in the school district go? What I mean is... of course the difference between blacks' and whites' scores would diminish IF only the motivated blacks and whites attended a school. Duh (not intended disrepectfully). The real acid test is when ALL the kids attend private schools.

Americans have had home and private schooling before you know... we called it "the 1800's". Some of the smartest people came from the South, where private and home schooling gave us some of the best scholars of the age. Too bad 98% of the population went uneducated, but look at the results those private schools and home schooling produced.