Brady, not to whine, dude.....

[najdorf]

Sakai,

Number 1, no one is yanking your chain.  Number 2, why don't you take the post out of context just a little more.

Certainly any idiot knows that the hog can go faster than the N1K, you're proof of that.  However, we are not trying to get confirmation that the wheel is round from such a supremely keen intelect as yours.  The small and very limited point that I am making is that I do not believe that the Chog overbalances the arena and therefore would like to have it included as an equalizer in a2a combat against all the cannon carrying IJN birds.  Brady and batz disagree.  Further, I don't think the aforementioned pair show any flexibility on the matter and that bothers me.  Now I have a lot of respect for both Batz and Brady, I simply disagree with their position on the matter and dislike the fact they are not willing to agree to any meaningful discussion of it(ie. one in which there is a possibility of a change in opinion).

None of this discussion has anything to do with you sucking up to someone and saying allied players are whining because they cant win every HO.

[Sakai]

Originally posted by Slash27
Good post Najdorf.

I think maybe the "US iron only" guys are hating the Niki because it is the single Jap plane the "headon or nothing" boys run into on PAC sets that is a draw--if they don't break at 500 yards, that is.  Try again.

Perhaps we can enable the Tempest and Spit IX for these guys to make it fair? Or the La7? Would that make it even?
You're having trouble keeping up are'nt you?

Well, that answers the other question:  The US navy-only geeks are in fact the most partisan, whiningest, biggest cry babies out there.  Thanks for clearing it up.  

Any Squad with a US navy call sign will throw a tantrum when any PAC setup that does not make them instant gods is released.  Maybe you guys get shot down so much because its hard to fly in soiled diapers?  Well, poopy-pants boy, I can't help you, call mommy.

Perhaps you Big Blue babys find it harder to fly against seasoned pilots with materially finer planes than the rising sun was capable of producing in the actual war?  It seems ot me that is a real issue that we cannot address by making only Newbs fly against you fellers.  

Perhaps we can simply enable tissues to every PAC setup prior to flying to keep the tears from staining their screens every time out?  

Shut up and fly, weinie boy.  Tell ya what, I'll fly only for the US this outting while you weeiners sulk or fly Nikis (unless doing so and being objective would make you break out in a rash?).  I am the single worst US Navy iron jockey on the planet, but I will gladly do so--regardless of how many are up for what side.  

Otherwise, perhaps you prancing, mincing little nerds can pony up and buy your own flight sim and can change the name to "Corsair only" and handicap it anyway you want and "it will be the bestest plane ever, ever you hear me ".

That clear it up for you any sissy boy?

Just wanted you fellers to know what it is you sound like.

oooo
xxxx

Sakai

[najdorf]

Sakai,

I have read the rambling **** pile you call a post twice now and I'm damned if I can find anything remotely resembling a coherent response to my own post.

Perhaps if you took a few reading comprehension courses and followed them up with a couple in logic, we could have a discussion.  As it is, I guess from now on I'll just have to completely ignore your inane drivel.

[Slash27]

Wow Sakai,  wtg,  That is the dumbest reply yet in this thread.

Any Squad with a US navy call sign will throw a tantrum when any PAC setup that does not make them instant gods is released. Maybe you guys get shot down so much because its hard to fly in soiled diapers? Well, poopy-pants boy, I can't help you, call mommy.

  I like this part, you have no basis but you charge right in and attack all the "evil" Navy squads and expose them for what they are. Nice work.

Perhaps you Big Blue babys find it harder to fly against seasoned pilots with materially finer planes than the rising sun was capable of producing in the actual war? It seems ot me that is a real issue that we cannot address by making only Newbs fly against you fellers.

   Again more good stuff. No one has implied anything like this, but have have seen right through evil doers words and brought the true agenda to light. Outstanding.



Shut up and fly, weinie boy. Tell ya what, I'll fly only for the US this outting while you weeiners sulk or fly Nikis (unless doing so and being objective would make you break out in a rash?). I am the single worst US Navy iron jockey on the planet, but I will gladly do so--regardless of how many are up for what side.

  While this stance may seem harsh to some, sometimes you have to use a strong hand against the evil ones. Your sacrifice to fly for the evil ones should be inspiring to all.  ( pause to gather my composure)

Otherwise, perhaps you prancing, mincing little nerds can pony up and buy your own flight sim and can change the name to "Corsair only" and handicap it anyway you want and "it will be the bestest plane ever, ever you hear me ".

  Just when i thought you may waiver in yourpost, you pull it off again. Good show old boy. Big ---* <<<>>>*--- to you sir!!

[Slash27]

The F4u-4 only had 9 kills in ww2,   The only kills it had in WW2 were at Okinawa?

[Jebo44]

You know the political bull**** in this game is intolerable. The CT is not setting up a historical battlefield and then taking from one side to make it easier for the other. The purpose of the CT is to relive a moment in time while being apart of a country that either is winning the war, loosing the war, or where both sides are in a dead lock. The biggest challenge for the IJN forces, in this setup,  is to push back the advancing allied forces with what ever they can get their hands on.

If the planes were in theatre in RL then they should be included in the AH theatre. Brady you know no one will object to having some German planes on the IJN side, within reason.

With the abilities of the N1K to do almost as much damage to an airfield as the CHOG that makes the 'CHOGs are airfield mongers' debate a little flat.

Put the late war planes on one of the furthest fields from the fight. Give the IJN forces a few german planes to equal the numbers of plane sets.

There also needs to be a few P-38's...yeah I think I read somewhere that they saw service in the Pacific...at least a few of them.

The uber N1K needs something to keep it from HO'ing every plane it sees and that is the -C.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Batz
those planes are always available in the da wtf are you talking about?

You are of no concern to me, I have killed you a bunch. My lifetime kd in your plane is higher then you anyway.

Best i can give ya cry about it all ya want...........

This isn't about the DA nor is it a noodle measuring contest, handsomehunk. It's the pudding the proof's supposedly in. If your paranoid theory over the F4U "ruining balance" in the CT could stand the light of day then you wouldn't be doing the pee-pee dance to avoid proving your point right this minute.

Sakai .. I take it that you too think my suggestion that the F4U-1d get a shore base or that the F4U-1d be enabled on both TF01 (alongside the F6F) and TF04 so the players who enjoy that ride have it available whenever they want is terribly unreasonable and ruins the fun for the IJ players? Gimme the "Allied whiner" song and dance. It's cute.

[scJazz]

Originally posted by brady
"Brady, I find it totally impossible to believe that you were not aware that you could control a TF irrespective of rank"

I retract this statement after evaluating the situation in which it occured and considering another of Brady's comments.

2)The VH's are set to 5K in this set up, A fully loaded P47 has aprox. 3500 pounds in ordance alone slung under it, the equilvelent of over 3 Georges in ordance. I belave that in the incedent you describe above a Panzer was also present and had been working on the Hanger for a while, so his damage coupled with all the bombs from the Georges could of easly resulted in a Hanger that could of surcome to strafing in a short order.

The VH I watched being obliterated was not the one described above. 4 N1Ks dropped 4 500lb bombs (1 was even off target) then proceeded to strafe it into non-existence. P47s carry 4060lbs of ord not 3500lbs and that you are a CM and don't know this is disturbing since you are one of the ones responsible for determining how hardened things should be. Knowing payloads seems important therefore.

2 x 1000lb
1 x 500lb
10 x 156lb warhead rockets weighing 250lb each

3) The Allied planes are far more capable platforms for dieacking a field than the Georges are, Not only can they pack 1000 pound bombs which are much easer to hit with than 500 pounders, they also pack 6 to 10 Rockets, one rocket can kill a gun, fire a couple 3 into an ack cluster and generaly you get them all, the way the clusters are aranged they are far more sustiple to bombs and rockets than they are to strafing, in this area the alies have a clear advantage they have Better stand off weapons, the Japanese have to get in fairly close to actualy hit the guns. Personaly I have much easer time in geting my 50Cal's onto a gun and hosing them down since they have a much longer range.

OK this part drives me insane since it skips over part of my comments. Yes I can fly a P47 reasonably capable of wiping out call it 5 ack nests on Okinawa (1 for each bomb and 2 with rockets). To do this I launch 2 sectors away from the target, fly a course that does not head directly toward the target, climb to 15,000' which loaded down like this takes about 10 to 12 minutes. I then turn to the target and start my approach. At around 8 miles from the base I put my nose down and extend down to 10,000' so that I'm not going painfully slow when I arrive in the middle of the N1K swarm over the target field. I execute drop/climb/extend runs until all of my ord is depleted and if I did it all perfectly and Loki is amused with me(<-- Norse god of luck) yes 5 ack nests are destroyed. Of course what is more likely to happen is that as I ingress to target I'm met by 1 to 4 NME planes and I have to ditch my ord having wasted the last 25 minutes.

On the other hand I could grab a N1K with the uber pork cannons strap on 2 500lb bombs that almost don't effect the planes handling at all climb to 3000' - 5000' and pop 3 ack nests (1 w/each bomb and the other in a single guns pass). Total time 3 minutes. Then spin the plane on its' tail and waste a bunch of Allied planes foolish enough to attempt to exist within 5 miles of my aircraft.

As for the part about rate of fire, range, etc. All wrong or totally not relevant. Range differences, not enough to notice when your targetting a ground object. Rate of fire, so what!?! Firing a zillion spitwads a second does not equate to having a sledgehammer lobbed in your direction. While I haven't finalized a study I've been doing on the subject my gut tells me that 20 20mm rounds do way more damage than 160 .50 rounds, etc.

I tested this out today by flying a N1K and torching all but 2 AAA guns at a base in a single sortie that lasted 6 min 30 seconds from engine start to end flight. Can't do that with a P47!

4) well other than fly better...The Ki 67 has  a very weak tail section, and they have very weak wing tip's, I come up underneath and fire into the fuselage from below infront of the tail this typicaly snaps them off, another good spot to aim for is the wing outboard the engine necal, they snap off prety easy to. The Ki 67's tail gun also has a much more limited covered arc than say a B26, it cant depress as much so coming in from bellow and at dead six is a good spot since they cant get you their. They also have just 12.7 mm Ho 103's in the tail which have a much shorter effective range than the 50cal in the US fighter's, the 20mm Ho-5 in the dorsal turet has a very limited covered arc and can be easly avoided by staying low and behind. Of course their are some compleatly uncovered aspects defensively on the Ki 67 as well.

OK, I find it deeply irritating that I never commented on your flying skill yet you started of by doing so about mine. The 12.7mm guns do not have a much shorter range at all and clever people able to do the math will note that they are in fact the same as .50 rounds. As for staying at the low 6 position and using the KI67s belly blindspot I'd love to if Axis pilots weren't flying them right on the deck or so low that it is impossible to get under them unless you are in a submarine. Move the KI67s to a few limited bases to stop the 90 second raids on our CVs.

5) lol
Ya I thought this part was funny too... yet you missed one of the greatest ironies.


Arlo: First off TY.

On the F4U issue, I have no intentions of changing anything in the present set up, I appricate that it is you favorate plane and that you would like to see it more readely available and I understand that you will most likely not stop campagining for it to be more readly available, I also understand that my points on why it is limited are falling on death ears in many instances, this is expected and frankely normal. I also am not at this point going to expound again as to why it is limited to just those two CV group's since it is not geting through anyway

Now there is serious humor in this part. Here you are saying that your points have fallen on deaf ears. Right, OK, exactly... ummmmm what about all of our points? What about the CV command problem? What about when you yanked a CV out of my control because it wasn't being used correctly when I tried to explain just what was going on? Right... deaf ears... ummmm I gotta take a break the irony is driving me nuts.

[Karnak]

Jebo44,

P-38s were not at Okinawa.  Sorry.

[Slash27]

Niether were Panzers

[Karnak]

Yes, but the Panzers stand in for the tanks that were there.  (The Japanese shouldn't have any)

What would the P-38 be standing in for?

Yeah, that's right.  Nothing.

[Arlo]

Glad to see you here, Karnie. What you you think of having the F4Us that are already in the setup based on one of the Allied shore bases and perhaps on the large CV taskforce so the players who enjoy flying the F4U and wait for it to emerge in a late PAC setting in the CT every 3 or 4 months can fly it whenever they want to for a whole week there?

[Slash27]

What would the P-38 be standing in for?
Yeah, that's right. Nothing.

   I didnt ask for them. SHouldnt matter, CT is not about historical accuracy, its about gameplay. Where the hell have you been?

[Karnak]

Arlo,

I don't really care.  I don't see what the big deal is one way or the other.  Because it doesn't matter to me and it does matter to you guys, sure have all the F4U-1s and F4U-1Ds you want.


As to guys asking for the F4U-1C and F4U-4, well, I was just in the CT and it was 30 Allies vs 16 Axis.  It doesn't seem like you guys need the F4U-1C or F4U-4 in order to win as we're down to two or three airfields.  If you really think you guys need that much of a handicap, well shucks, thanks for complimenting the Axis fliers.

If the F4U-1C and F4U-4 do get added they should either be free or cast about 30pp each.  4pp is just a way of saying "Look, they were controled" when they were functionally uncontroled and free.

[Slash27]

The F4U-C is not needed.  Guys would like it because its is fun to fly (what a concept)  Same with the P-38. Though it wasnt there it would probably make for better fights with th N1K. There would be less " bore-n-zoom" and less whining about Jug fliers who wont slow down and turn fight for the Georges. There is plenty of that with the Hogs as it is.

   Enableing Corsairs from land bases does make sense. Even more so now that the lines have been moved farther north. Why that is such a problem for brady/Batz I dont know, but its seems reasonable.


  I would like clarifcaton the F4U-4 and its service history. If it only had 9 kills the whole war, what the hell is it doing in AH?