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« Reply #60 on: September 26, 2003, 04:06:15 PM »
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Many of these stories concerning our economy are published with only enough facts to support certain political ideologies. [/B]


They made it up, yeah, that's the ticket
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« Reply #61 on: September 26, 2003, 04:08:19 PM »
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and that Bush is to blame for a natural correction along with 9-11 not impacting the current economy, is either so partisan it's laughable or is simple-minded.

You guys must be in your twenties.


So you say if 9/11 didn't happen he would have more of a chance to be elected? I think the opposite, and i'm in my thirties
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« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2003, 04:24:40 PM »
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I suppose we should just look the other way....nothing to see here....move along. Try reading the article.


There have and always will be poor folks....unemployed as well. Have you ever served these people yourself personally? I mean right in their face, holding their hand and actually helping with your time and money? I have....so don't preach to me about reading your articles.

Posting this crap like it is Bush's fault is a lie. You want the truth? It's all of our faults....if we actually did something to help our neighbors, that alone would begin to change our country....guess it's easier to post on a computer during an election season?

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« Reply #63 on: September 26, 2003, 04:30:33 PM »
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Originally posted by Sixpence
They made it up, yeah, that's the ticket


I probably shouldn't respond to this, your oversight being so blatantly obvious.  I said facts, not "make it up."

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« Reply #64 on: September 26, 2003, 04:45:54 PM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target
This is the funniest thing that contiuously spurts forth from the righty tighties. The longest economic upswing in our Nations history was in fact just a set up for this mini recession. That bastard Clinton only let the "bubble" grow for 8 years just to make himself look good. That darn economic "bubble" should never be allowed to happen again!!


C'mon MT....are you fishin?

You seriously don't believe Clinton brought on the growth in the 90's do you?

Much of the upswing was due to artificial growth...p/e's were so lopsided that companies trading at $200 on the Nasdaq, never turned a profit....hitech brought the highest rate of productivity ever seen in the US economy...cell phones and laptops alone contributed to this never before seen growth.

That's just a small part of what brought us that growth....the conditions in the late 80's are relevant as well. The business cycle was not defeated as Bill told us....I remember laughing out loud when I heard him say that.

What do you do for a living....just curious as to your knowledge base regarding this topic.

I develope and build shopping centers and office buildings....we own a bank...we're very connected to what makes the economy go or slow.

If you believe that Clinton or Bush are relevant to our economy on any scale larger than simple climate, then you are deceived.

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« Reply #65 on: September 26, 2003, 04:51:28 PM »
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Anyways, I am very pleased with our system...

It's good that you are pleased with it, as you have no choice in the matter.  There a saying that goes something like "someone who trades freedom for security usually ends up with neither".   Let's hope the socialist systems of Europe can provide both.

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« Reply #66 on: September 26, 2003, 04:53:29 PM »
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It's good that you are pleased with it, as you have no choice in the matter.  There a saying that goes something like "someone who trades freedom for security usually ends up with neither".   Let's hope the socialist systems of Europe can provide both.

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 how secure are they?  Seriously.  What if we weren't over there and Russia said "Game on"  what would they do?

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« Reply #67 on: September 26, 2003, 05:24:59 PM »
If it is ok to blame Clinton for this or that, is it not fair to blame Bush too? The goose and the gander thing. Clinton had nothing to do with an economy, yet Bush has a plan to fix a bad economy. And if the economy rebounds, you will say it was Bush's plan. If that is true, can it be said that Clinton fixed an economy because it got better as him as pres?
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

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« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2003, 05:41:25 PM »
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C'mon MT....are you fishin?

You seriously don't believe Clinton brought on the growth in the 90's do you?

Much of the upswing was due to artificial growth...p/e's were so lopsided that companies trading at $200 on the Nasdaq, never turned a profit....hitech brought the highest rate of productivity ever seen in the US economy...cell phones and laptops alone contributed to this never before seen growth.

That's just a small part of what brought us that growth....the conditions in the late 80's are relevant as well. The business cycle was not defeated as Bill told us....I remember laughing out loud when I heard him say that.

What do you do for a living....just curious as to your knowledge base regarding this topic.

I develope and build shopping centers and office buildings....we own a bank...we're very connected to what makes the economy go or slow.

If you believe that Clinton or Bush are relevant to our economy on any scale larger than simple climate, then you are deceived.


Not giving Clinton credit, just laughing at the finger pointing at him for the current problems. Economics run in cycles... We had a great big long upswing in the 90's. It wasn't a bad thing.

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« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2003, 05:41:27 PM »
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well gsholtz they obviously have done something wrong in their lives to get to that point. Like be born into a poor family, lost their jobs due to structural unemployement, or just be black.


BULLCHIT or just be born black!:mad:
Thats a load of chit.
OH lordi eyes b borne black and the whole world is a pickin on po little ol me.
Please black americans have all the chances at an education that anyone else has they have to WANT it!
Maybe the nieborhood and classroom aint as nice as the suburbs but the education is there.
And as far as the suburbs go you have to earn the right to live there by educating yourself so you can obtain a job that will pay for that lifesyle!
Look  one of the people in history I admire the most is DR. Martin Luther King.
But the day of the world owes me because my great grand daddy picked cotton is OVER.
Heck My Grandfather picked cotton SO WHAT!!

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« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2003, 05:51:09 PM »
it is said that the average american in poverty owns a house, a car and two TVs. .........and is far better off than the vast majority of people elsewhere on this planet.  whether its true or not, I dont know.

I dont do much to give to the needy.  Im pretty certain my local, state and federal government, taking about %40 of my earnings combined are doing that for me.  Or at least thats what they say.
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« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2003, 05:51:55 PM »
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ahh i see you have no idea how close your beliefs are to facism then udie. I understand mine are rooted in socialist values.


Maybe you should move to a socialist country:D

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« Reply #72 on: September 26, 2003, 07:19:33 PM »
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What freedom have I given up? And I do have a choise in the matter. We are a democracy you know.

You personally haven't given up any freedom, it was surrendered before you were born.  You are not free to opt out of the socialistic system and keep more of the money you earn, those decisions have been made for you.  No amount of democracy will reverse the government's control over most of the economy.  You say that the government's guarantees make you free, but aren't you then in fact almost completely dependant upon the government?  That is not the definition of freedom as I know it.  

Even in the US, where we are much less socialistic, we hear government bureaucrats say, in effect, "don't rock the boat or we won't be able to provide you with ".  Correct me if I am wrong, but I would guess that in a country where the government guarantees healthcare, education, and retirement for everyone, those kind of words have a big impact.  That is not freedom, it's serfdom.

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« Reply #73 on: September 26, 2003, 07:59:20 PM »
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There have and always will be poor folks....unemployed as well. Have you ever served these people yourself personally? I mean right in their face, holding their hand and actually helping with your time and money? I have....so don't preach to me about reading your articles.
 


Have I served them personally? Yes I have. I help load food into their cars, shopping carts or whatever they bring to the North Texas Food Bank in Ft.Worth. I have accepted donations for Mission Arlington and personally delivered beds and furnishings to apartments that were donated to impoverished people and battered women.
 The reason I wanted you to read the article is that you obviously shot it down without reading it. I saw the story on 60 Minuites-II and it does not try to slant WHO is to blame, but WHO is suffering. When someone has to cut a gallon of milk with a gallon of water just so their infant can have enough to last until the next food line, we as decent human beings need to get off our high horse and help. Most of these people are not unemployed, they are under-employed. Making $7.50 an hour at Home Depot or Wal-Mart because it is the only job available is the reason these "bums" and "welfare mothers" are standing in the food lines. We need more jobs with decent wages and less CEO's taking $20-30 Million home when they are fired.
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« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2003, 09:11:37 PM »
accidental double post
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