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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #60 on: October 06, 2003, 10:08:44 PM »
This is just too good to let go. You whined about it getting personal and then you respond with this. Who exactly are you calling "scumbags and liars and wife beaters"? Oh wait, I'm being ignored. :rolleyes:


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Funny, the flag flying from the pole in my yard is displayed upside down.

When my neighbors asked about it I told them what it signified-they all agreed with me.

I do not want to be admired by scumbags and liars and wife beaters. I want to be admired by good and decent, intelligent and just people, and in order to achieve this I need to do things that make me despised by their opposites.

So keep on spinning Iron, it's what you do best-welcome to my ignore list.
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« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2003, 10:32:07 PM »
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I want to be admired by good and decent, intelligent and just people,  
 


I was talking to a lying scumbag wife-beater today and he said the same exact thing!

Wow!

This is amazing!
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« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2003, 02:51:31 AM »
lol you cant see any lies your livin in a different world.


still laughing at toad for selling cs  gas as chemical weapons.

yea its true they are but they arent baned lol.


so its a lie ment to decieve but not a technical lie. a quibble per say. you call it what you like but a rose by any other name.


shame on you toad. you know better.

and yea the deserter coke head must go.

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« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2003, 02:55:05 AM »
ps k2cok there is a 50 to 1 bias on this board right wing. you are getting pounces by about 10 guys who have fox "news" runing in the back ground.


stand your ground,  lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.    when it starts a war.

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« Reply #64 on: October 07, 2003, 05:39:33 AM »
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stand your ground,  lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.    when it starts a war.


Dunno, man...  We asked for specific lies.  He gave us three.  We have discounted two without rebuke from him (well, he responded to the UAV issue with half a source, which was immediately cleared up.)  The last statement, Saddam's direct link to OBL, is quite a bit harder to prove, but also irrelevent seeing as he publicly supported terrorism in Isreal.

Bush uttered no lies, the world is safer without Saddam in power, it was worth the cost in dollars and lives.  (that's an opinion)

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« Reply #65 on: October 07, 2003, 06:10:34 AM »
think his names says it all "K2cok" --I agree with him --the flag needs to be flown upside down for the distress signal --there is an obvious problem at his house --and maybe a WMD is the answer--drop it on him......


Bet you where leading the "cheerleaders" when Clinton bombed Saddam to take the focus off his infidelities.....and probably cheering him on while he was getting his "presidental" BJ too....

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« Reply #66 on: October 07, 2003, 06:59:47 AM »
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It doesn't take much effort to expose Bush's lies.

What about these 26, also from the same speech?

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."

To date, not a shred of evidence connecting Hussein with Al Qaida or any other known terrorist organizations (besides certain Palestinian groups who represent no direct threat to the US) have been revealed.

 


K2cok your statement appears to be a lie !


http://www.insightmag.com/news/477622.html

while Saddam Hussein may not have had details of the Sept. 11 attacks in advance, he "gave assistance for whatever al-Qaeda came up with." That assistance, confirmed independently, came in a variety of ways, including financial support spun out through a complex web of financial institutions in Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Italy and elsewhere. Long suspected of having terrorist ties to al-Qaeda, they now have been linked to Iraq as well.


and another

http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html

Those who try to whitewash Saddam's record don't dispute this evidence; they just ignore it. So let's review the evidence, all of it on the public record for months or years:

* Abdul Rahman Yasin was the only member of the al Qaeda cell that detonated the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at large in the Clinton years. He fled to Iraq. U.S. forces recently discovered a cache of documents in Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, that show that Iraq gave Mr. Yasin both a house and monthly salary.

* Bin Laden met at least eight times with officers of Iraq's Special Security Organization, a secret police agency run by Saddam's son Qusay, and met with officials from Saddam's mukhabarat, its external intelligence service, according to intelligence made public by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who was speaking before the United Nations Security Council on February 6, 2003.

* Sudanese intelligence officials told me that their agents had observed meetings between Iraqi intelligence agents and bin Laden starting in 1994, when bin Laden lived in Khartoum.

* Bin Laden met the director of the Iraqi mukhabarat in 1996 in Khartoum, according to Mr. Powell.

* An al Qaeda operative now held by the U.S. confessed that in the mid-1990s, bin Laden had forged an agreement with Saddam's men to cease all terrorist activities against the Iraqi dictator, Mr. Powell told the United Nations.

* In 1999 the Guardian, a British newspaper, reported that Farouk Hijazi, a senior officer in Iraq's mukhabarat, had journeyed deep into the icy mountains near Kandahar, Afghanistan, in December 1998 to meet with al Qaeda men. Mr. Hijazi is "thought to have offered bin Laden asylum in Iraq," the Guardian reported.

* In October 2000, another Iraqi intelligence operative, Salah Suleiman, was arrested near the Afghan border by Pakistani authorities, according to Jane's Foreign Report, a respected international newsletter. Jane's reported that Suleiman was shuttling between Iraqi intelligence and Ayman al Zawahiri, now al Qaeda's No. 2 man.

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« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2003, 07:20:08 AM »
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Flying the flag upside down is a standard military distress signal and is not intended to be disrepectful.

It means we need some help here, it has nothing to do with saying anything bad about the flag.

The United States Flag Code supports this.

The code formalizes and unifies the traditional ways in which we give respect to the flag and includes the following:


The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.


No, I'm not a weasel, and I'm not trying to piss anyone off, just pointing out the discrepancy between how the war was sold by Bush vs what Kay has to say about it.

Where did I say anything about 3 days Toad? I also haven't called anyone names other than Bush a liar.

IIRC you said something about six months in your bet with 10Bears, how long do you think we should give Kay to find WMD?

Based on past responses I'll bet the answer is until he finds them.





You are wrong boy wonder.

Sec. 8. — Respect for flag
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.


If you life is not in extreame danger I expect you will correct your error. If you can admit you made a mistake.

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« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2003, 07:24:22 AM »
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The patch on our soldiers uniforms in Iraq aren't flying from a flag pole either and they are oriented backwards.







What is the proper way to wear a flag patch on one's shoulder sleeve?

Left Flag
Right or "reversed field" flag

To wear our country's flag properly, the field of stars should be worn closest to your heart. Thus, if your patch is to be worn on your LEFT sleeve, use a left flag. For patches worn on your RIGHT sleeve, use a "right" or "reversed field" flag. Since the law does not specifically address the positioning of the patch, a decision is left to the discretion of the organization prescribing the wear. Some elect to use the "left" flag on both sleeves. [Note: many states and cities have ordinances pertaining to the use of the flag; you may wish to contact the Attorney General of your state or the City Attorney’s office regarding this matter.] If you are planning to wear only one patch, it is recommended that you wear a "left" flag on your left sleeve. Military guidelines specify that in support of joint or multi-national operations, the "right" flag is worn on the right sleeve, 1/4" below the shoulder seam or 1/8" below any required unit patches.
Source: Army Website FAQs









Why is the flag sometimes backwards on the side of airplanes, buses, and other vehicles?
The flag decals have the union (the blue area with the stars) on the side closer to the front of the plane. On the plane's left, the decal shows the flag with the union at the left, as usual. On the plane's right side, the union is on the right. This is done so that the flag looks as if it is blowing in the wind created by the forward movement. You can see this on cars and trucks as well.





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« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2003, 09:29:11 AM »
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Only one problem with this statement and Sox62's link, none of those people are currently president.

Not to mention none of them lied us into a war.


You see what you want to see...you ignore the facts of the past 12 years....kinda convenient for your cause I suppose.

If you truly believe that Bush intentionally misled the American people, then you have allowed your politics to polute your judgement.

He and the world intelligence agencies could have been wrong I suppose...that does not make him a liar.

I don't think they were wrong at all...I have a friend over there and that is a big desert...more time is needed. Of course you and the left seem to think that all can be resolved within a few months...only your reality would allow for that I'm afraid.

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« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2003, 10:27:37 AM »
As far as I can see, K2, you've been pretty well debunked by others more eloquent and informed than I.  As for your comments on domestic issues, I'll only point out that not one democrat I've seen on the news bashing the President and calling for the reversal of the tax cuts has used the words "my tax cuts" or "our [i.e. us democrafts] tax cuts."  It's always "the President's tax cuts."  Same with those other domestic issues.
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« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2003, 10:46:24 AM »
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As far as I can see, K2, you've been pretty well debunked by others more eloquent and informed than I.



that statement scares me!! if there are those more eloquent and more informed than you that must make me a crazed lunatic!


wait....

ok..

nevermind :D

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« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2003, 01:45:35 PM »
LOL!:lol  Nice one, Udie
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« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2003, 01:57:41 PM »
hey who ever said being crazy can't be fun? :D

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« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2003, 02:35:39 PM »
From your second link Krusher:

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A wealth of evidence on the public record -- from government reports and congressional testimony to news accounts from major newspapers -- attests to longstanding ties between bin Laden and Saddam going back to 1994.


Mr Bush: WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?



I guess this kid is right based on that articles logic?

After all, the Bush family has ties to bin Laden going back 25 years.