General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FESS67 on July 06, 2018, 05:56:03 AM
Title: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FESS67 on July 06, 2018, 05:56:03 AM
What is that about?
I actually tab out to check other things on the internet whilst I am playing the game. And I do not die very often doing it lol
Need to tighten the fight, increase the action per hour quota IMO
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: croduh on July 06, 2018, 09:52:54 AM
I, for one, like that I can do a lot of stuff, while having my bombers en route to strats.
Very productive!
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: bustr on July 06, 2018, 11:36:55 AM
This was obvious when I created my first terrain. I experimented with a majority of airfields inside of 25 miles instead of all evenly spaced at 25 miles. Our smaller numbers don't need long transit times to keep us from super hoarding anymore. My latest design I just submitted has almost all feilds at the minimum of 19 miles. I suspect Hitech will only allow 13 miles on a setup like the center islands of NDisles and my Oceania as one off contained quick combat areas. This time around I did a 3 sector pond for quick task group combat as my experiment into game play design for AH3. My first two terrains were filled with experiments to understand how to evolve AH3 to address the needs of smaller numbers.
Anything more and we become War Thunder which is not what Aces High is.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Lazerr on July 06, 2018, 11:50:38 AM
I actually tab out to check other things on the internet whilst I am playing the game. And I do not die very often doing it lol
Need to tighten the fight, increase the action per hour quota IMO
Gameplay changes.. people would rather supply a town than defend a base...
Two countries would rather fight eachother while the 3rd sits with nothing to do but attack static buildings
ENY limits game content, 6 hour switch works against it
Maps.. larger than the player base can handle...
All contributing towards lack of action, and lack of people.. which feed off eachother.
My account is open.. ill log in the occasional friday late night to see some guys ive flown with over the years. Other than that I dont bother..
Some major gameplay changes, some mentioned above, and a reboot to kickstart this game would maybe peak some interest.. but that is my opinion.. also around here known as a whine.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 06, 2018, 11:51:02 AM
How about a Steal the Bacon type map where everyone starts with only the bases that can't be captured, carriers, and their strats. Race is on!
Again, just thinking out loud to come up with different ideas.
I also think repeatedly about non-contiguous bases (Wheel of Fortune) instead of three clearly defined countries.
Would this not make action a little more dynamic or am I missing something here?
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Lazerr on July 06, 2018, 12:06:44 PM
Forgot to mention.. its summer time.. people enjoying the weather. I believe numbers dip always this time of year, regardless of the average population. Probably more noticeable with the smaller average here.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Mister Fork on July 06, 2018, 12:46:14 PM
Forgot to mention.. its summer time.. people enjoying the weather. I believe numbers dip always this time of year, regardless of the average population. Probably more noticeable with the smaller average here.
That is probable as well Lazerr
... and if you go to the Wishlist subforum, and post major gameplay improvement ideas, you get shot down by the armchair generals who say the gameplay is fine.
Well, the gameplay may be fine, it's also very stale. I suggested adding new elements and got beat up JUST for suggesting it. Some of the counter-arguments were valid.... if our subscribed numbers were 5000+, but they're not. Lucky to get 120+ logged in for Friday night furball.
So, what do we need to change to get MORE subscribers and people to play?
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Copprhed on July 06, 2018, 01:19:51 PM
It appears that FESS has taken over RODBUSTER's duties here on the BBS. :bhead
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: bustr on July 06, 2018, 01:23:12 PM
Fork,
The only person's ideas and direction that matters is Hitech's. You and I have had what, almost 20 years of knowing that. He never talks about major game changes until he is almost ready to make that change. AH1->AH2, AH2->AH3 and so forth. Chances are talking too much about Combat Tour then having to abandon it was a poor route to take with a segment of his customers.
Problem with many ideas is they try to turn AH into the competition's games. Or they are so complex, they will fall apart under their own requirements and bore players to the competition's games which seems to be the inspiration for many ideas for changing AH. It's hard not to pull from experiences in playing other games when trying to change this game if you are on the outside, versus inside building the code and running a business. Many make the easy mistake of forgetting this is Hitech's Industry and he has to stay appraised of his competition's games and "customer hooks" to keep them coming back. Maybe you can have a private conversation with him about his views on that.
I reviewed the competition's terrains to understand what was different. It was something very simple. The ground combat area's were micro textured to look and drive like the real world from a tank perspective. Then the macro terrain was scaled up from there to look real world. That is an area no one other than Greebo in AH2 with CraterMA attempted to work into his terrain. So everything was built all these years on a gross scale to look good to 25k planes in combat while at 1000ft in a furball it didn't matter. I've finally included micro terrain design in my latest project along with compressing fields to the shortest distance Hitech will allow. That will keep some happy for awhile. Also becasue of how small the competition's arenas are, very large city and town objects can be used with complex building arrangements and fun time micro terrain for mario brothers style bumper car tank fights while looking good from the air. In our world, that would grind FPS to a halt becasue 100 of their arenas can be laid down in our 10x10 arena.
As for core mechanisms, too often the urge and end result is something that is reminiscent of WT arenas packed full of eye candy and goodies crossed with a WW2 board game.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: madrid311 on July 06, 2018, 01:30:25 PM
I get killed a lot looking at my phone, can you imagine cell phones in WW2? Lol. But it can take so long to get to any action what else are you supposed to do while climbing out and getting alt for 20. Min.? Sometimes I enjoy the flight and the view or the clouds when they are out but soon the phone comes back up and totally distracts me which leads to overshoot or easy death for me. At least if you defend your can get some instant action but that really takes away from the capture part.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 06, 2018, 02:12:55 PM
It appears that FESS has taken over RODBUSTER's duties here on the BBS. :bhead
No. Fess uses reason and logic.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 06, 2018, 02:15:03 PM
So you're saying my ideas won't work or can't? Big difference. Again, just wanting analysis not necessarily advocacy.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: bustr on July 06, 2018, 03:23:03 PM
Fess wants Hitech to say and do what he won't say up front while dancing around the solution he wants. He wants AH3 turned into something like WT to give him instant constant forced action while still magically being AH3 for everyone else. Some number of you walk the same bleeding edge Fess does and I bet all of you have played WT along with Fess. All of you want Hitech to merge WT instant action with magically keeping AH3 intact.
Dear Hitech:
Please turn AH3 into WT instant action while keeping AH3 capture the flag open world intact. I'm not sure how you will keep everyone from running away and leaving Fess by himself but, you are a genius and will pull something out of your hat.
Gents, the only way to make this work is reduce the AH world to one 25x25 sector and stuff everyone in it. But, that is another thing Fess and others dance around and won't say point blank. That is the secret to WT and it's instant action, no place to run in a timed match up. Even if the MA was reduced to 5x5 instead of 10x10 they would not stay put for Fess. A single 25x25 miles sector arena is the only way he could get at them at will. Then 125 players would have a density and hoarding propensity equal to the 60 man hoards on 20x20 and 10x10 arenas in AH2. Along with trying to get off the ground would be quite the feat and suddenly the next wish would be for air starts or even queued matches and we would be WT.
It's a bit transparent how many wish Hitech could make AH into WT becasue they want instant action.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 06, 2018, 04:00:04 PM
Fess wants Hitech to say and do what he won't say up front while dancing around the solution he wants. He wants AH3 turned into something like WT to give him instant constant forced action while still magically being AH3 for everyone else. Some number of you walk the same bleeding edge Fess does and I bet all of you have played WT along with Fess. All of you want Hitech to merge WT instant action with magically keeping AH3 intact.
Dear Hitech:
Please turn AH3 into WT instant action while keeping AH3 capture the flag open world intact. I'm not sure how you will keep everyone from running away and leaving Fess by himself but, you are a genius and will pull something out of your hat.
Gents, the only way to make this work is reduce the AH world to one 25x25 sector and stuff everyone in it. But, that is another thing Fess and others dance around and won't say point blank. That is the secret to WT and it's instant action, no place to run in a timed match up. Even if the MA was reduced to 5x5 instead of 10x10 they would not stay put for Fess. A single 25x25 miles sector arena is the only way he could get at them at will. Then 125 players would have a density and hoarding propensity equal to the 60 man hoards on 20x20 and 10x10 arenas in AH2. Along with trying to get off the ground would be quite the feat and suddenly the next wish would be for air starts or even queued matches and we would be WT.
It's a bit transparent how many wish Hitech could make AH into WT becasue they want instant action.
I don't see it that way.
Instant action isn't the goal. But eliminating droning around for hours with nobody to shoot at? Sounds a lot like what you are trying to do with your maps--to some success I might add.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Copprhed on July 06, 2018, 04:05:37 PM
A whine about the same old same old is still a whine, no matter if you couch it in "reason and logic". The fact is, Latrobe and all of his buddies thought that they could force HiTech by continually whining and using "logic and reason". Where are they now? There aren't many people who would really miss the ones who fly at stratospheric altitude in their low ENY planes to hit and run, and call themselves AH gods all the while complaining about the game. I have no problem finding a fight at any time I come on, IF I really want a fight. You guys don't. You just want your kills. Go find them elsewhere.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Zimme83 on July 06, 2018, 04:16:25 PM
There is nothing wrong with the game except that noone are playing it. There is no inflow of new players and the old player base are fading away. The game will be gone in a year or 2. The Euro player base have already imploded, I for ex havent been in the meele arena for months because its no point anymore. And when the american player base implodes the game is gone. The problem isnt the game itself, its a great game, the problem is that noone knows about it and people arent attracted to the game. There are no streamers etc that can drag new people to the game. If you go to Twitch for ex you can find a ton of streamers playing PUBG, WT etc but not a single AH player.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 06, 2018, 04:46:50 PM
A whine about the same old same old is still a whine, no matter if you couch it in "reason and logic". The fact is, Latrobe and all of his buddies thought that they could force HiTech by continually whining and using "logic and reason". Where are they now? There aren't many people who would really miss the ones who fly at stratospheric altitude in their low ENY planes to hit and run, and call themselves AH gods all the while complaining about the game. I have no problem finding a fight at any time I come on, IF I really want a fight. You guys don't. You just want your kills. Go find them elsewhere.
You call it a whine. Businessmen call it a dissatisfied customer. YMMV.
We want fights. Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 06, 2018, 04:49:37 PM
There is nothing wrong with the game except that noone are playing it. There is no inflow of new players and the old player base are fading away. The game will be gone in a year or 2. The Euro player base have already imploded, I for ex havent been in the meele arena for months because its no point anymore. And when the american player base implodes the game is gone. The problem isnt the game itself, its a great game, the problem is that noone knows about it and people arent attracted to the game. There are no streamers etc that can drag new people to the game. If you go to Twitch for ex you can find a ton of streamers playing PUBG, WT etc but not a single AH player.
There is an inflow of new players, they just aren't staying past about ten minutes. This is the problem that needs solving. I don't have the answer...though I have pondered it a lot.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Copprhed on July 06, 2018, 05:02:20 PM
It's a niche game, Vraciu, and those who are really interested in it's type are typically an older crowd. Many of those my age have no interest in "playing games". While I believe it's their loss, it is what it is. Those of us old enough to appreciate what the pilots and everyone else involved in WW2 are a dwindling number, as shown by a resurgence of the politics of evil and a lack of pushback against it.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Canspec on July 06, 2018, 05:03:45 PM
Was in here the other night.....flew around for 20 minutes......nothing.......Went to IL2 and flew around for 20 minutes in a 109 at low level at least wanting to get vulched......nothing....and there were supposedly 80 players in there....all of these WWII games have become the same, WWII doesn't resonate with the newer generation and it is not a draw. Time to switch to F-22's
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 06, 2018, 05:48:45 PM
It's a niche game, Vraciu, and those who are really interested in it's type are typically an older crowd. Many of those my age have no interest in "playing games". While I believe it's their loss, it is what it is. Those of us old enough to appreciate what the pilots and everyone else involved in WW2 are a dwindling number, as shown by a resurgence of the politics of evil and a lack of pushback against it.
And yet WT thrives.....
:headscratch:
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FESS67 on July 06, 2018, 06:41:55 PM
bustr,
I am not dancing around the solution, I do not know what the solution is to be honest. I am more than happy to say things up front, try this for instance......STOP making every thread about your maps. You talk so much crap in so many threads about how the problem is going to be solved with your maps...…<yawn>. Sorry if I did not dance around that sheesh.
I played WT for 30 minutes, hated it.
Refer to my thread title "I love this game" But it is not keeping me engaged. I am not alone in wanting it to keep me engaged, I am just holding on to hope that it will, many others have already walked, probably committed suicide listening to you drone on about maps.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 06, 2018, 06:43:25 PM
I am not dancing around the solution, I do not know what the solution is to be honest. I am more than happy to say things up front, try this for instance......STOP making every thread about your maps. You talk so much crap in so many threads about how the problem is going to be solved with your maps...…<yawn>. Sorry if I did not dance around that sheesh.
I played WT for 30 minutes, hated it.
Refer to my thread title "I love this game" But it is not keeping me engaged. I am not alone in wanting it to keep me engaged, I am just holding on to hope that it will, any others have already walked, probably committed suicide listening to you drone on about maps.
:rofl :ahand
Okay, that’s funny. :cheers:
(Bustr has made some good maps, though.)
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: bustr on July 06, 2018, 07:13:57 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 06, 2018, 07:19:49 PM
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 06, 2018, 07:35:09 PM
I dont think anyone here want WT! If they did they WOULD GO THERE! :rolleyes:
This game is far more complex which may be one of is down falls as well as one of it greatest assets and so, a much better game than WT. The issues aren't all that dramatic.
1. Balance the GV vs Air a bit better. Right now it favors the GVs too much. Either get rid of a bunch of trees, match the range counters for both enemy and friendly. If the GVs can be spotted again you can get rid of the GV dar.
2. Air to Air, BRING IN MORE PLAYERS! During the steam roll out we had a ton of players coming in and leaving 10 minutes later. AH wasnt ready for it. They added the video tutorials AFTER the rush died down, as well as the VR controls. Now I dont think we have all that many new players dropping in. No advertising, no social media presents, no streaming channels. Nobody knows we are here.
3. Game Play, YES its a big "sand box" and everyone should be able to do which ever style of play they want however, the interaction of player vs player is what this game is about. It is what it thrives on. If not, everyone would be having a blast playing a single player version at home. Game play must be tweaked by rules/conditions/rewards to make it more advantageous to play with/against other players and NOT avoid each other. Dont STOP other types of game play, have those options there for players, just make it so more players look to play together.
Thats it, pretty simple.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 06, 2018, 07:52:05 PM
Some things I've noticed are. 1. Fronts that are too big/wide that don't funnel fights. 2. Far away back bases to discourage rollers from back fields to fight the hoard capping rheir base. 3. Extremely large maps that make it difficult for new players to find action. Base distance and base layout is what matters. 4. Match play is still wobbly so players don't go there as much. The 1v1 crowd has left. 5. Trying to compete with WT and WOT and IL2 at the same time. More emphasis on tanks and less on planes has driven the fighter majority away. Most people log to be a fighter pilot. 6. Need more developers for quicker updates. 7. No front page website updates in like 6 months. Please get someone to maintain the front page with cook vids and pics.
I do like how they made it harder to kill FHrs though.
The map really makes this game. The map is most important aspect to playability in AH.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: JimmyC on July 06, 2018, 11:30:04 PM
If only there was someone to tell us how to make maps..
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Brooke on July 06, 2018, 11:43:36 PM
I think, approximately, action = (# players)/(combat area).
If you have 600 players and a combat area that is 20 x 20 sectors and lots of action, that might not work well anymore if you have 100 players. In that case, you might need the combat area to be 8 x 8 sectors to get equivalent action.
I don't know if there is ability to have smaller terrains, but maybe you could control the effective combat area by not having anything usable, destroyable, or capturable outside the combat area you choose.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FESS67 on July 06, 2018, 11:50:41 PM
I think, approximately, action = (# players)/(combat area).
If you have 600 players and a combat area that is 20 x 20 sectors and lots of action, that might not work well anymore if you have 100 players. In that case, you might need the combat area to be 8 x 8 sectors to get equivalent action.
I don't know if there is ability to have smaller terrains, but maybe you could control the effective combat area by not having anything usable, destroyable, or capturable outside the combat area you choose.
Agreed
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: asterix on July 07, 2018, 02:41:24 AM
... There are no streamers etc that can drag new people to the game. If you go to Twitch for ex you can find a ton of streamers playing PUBG, WT etc but not a single AH player.
More publicity is definitely better, but is streaming really that popular to watch? Streaming is long and sometimes with periods of nothing going on, so who has time?
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Post by: zack1234 on July 07, 2018, 03:20:27 AM
Bacon is awesome :old:
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Zimme83 on July 07, 2018, 06:09:53 AM
More publicity is definitely better, but is streaming really that popular to watch? Streaming is long and sometimes with periods of nothing going on, so who has time?
The most popular games have 80k vievers. Even a game like FSX have a few hundred viewers. But it also depends a lot on the streamers,
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Post by: The Fugitive on July 07, 2018, 08:52:13 AM
I think, approximately, action = (# players)/(combat area).
If you have 600 players and a combat area that is 20 x 20 sectors and lots of action, that might not work well anymore if you have 100 players. In that case, you might need the combat area to be 8 x 8 sectors to get equivalent action.
I don't know if there is ability to have smaller terrains, but maybe you could control the effective combat area by not having anything usable, destroyable, or capturable outside the combat area you choose.
Agreed, you can find lots of action on "ndilses" and "baltic". Both maps are old maps and small. Though many complain about those maps due to the repetitiousness of them they due have a ton of action, GV, air to air, CV action, and buff to strat runs.
While Bustrs map are well thought out and detailed, maybe it would serve the game better if a few of these smaller type maps were whipped up with out all that detail to throw some freshness into the game. If there were 50+ maps you wouldnt see the same map twice in a month removing some of staleness. Having a lot of maps would also take away some of the memorization players seem to get.... turn right after this tree group, drive 100 yards, turn 20degrees right for 12.5 feet and park for spawn killing......or knowing which routes are favored in buff runs and so on. HTC could add a "Choose the map Wednesday" where by vote over the weekend a "favorite" map can be loaded up for Wednesday or some other promotion for a weekend run of maps, you know "interact with the community" :D
Small maps can always be changed out for the larger maps should the numbers grow. I think running a bunch of maps would help even if they dont contain the "Bustresque" of some of the maps we have now.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Traveler on July 07, 2018, 09:59:29 AM
I actually tab out to check other things on the internet whilst I am playing the game. And I do not die very often doing it lol
Need to tighten the fight, increase the action per hour quota IMO
that will only come with more players. What everyone was hopping for with Steam, didn't happen and that was to attract and keep more players. Unless the numbers increase the game will simply disappear.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 07, 2018, 10:23:51 AM
The most popular games have 80k vievers. Even a game like FSX have a few hundred viewers. But it also depends a lot on the streamers,
If I could have clear directions on how to do it. I would attempt it. I'm seriously not really good on the technical side for programs. Don't you have to get another type of film recorder? I might already have a twitch account.
This game surely needs a lot more promotion.
I also hated WT the first 30 minutes I played compared to AH.
The biggest reason why very few play compared to other games is really because of the subscription. A $15 a month just sounds expensive for a college student or young gamer on steam. It did for me. It does for my friends. 2 weeks just doesn't give them a chance for how hard this game is. I'm not saying it should be changed to "pay to win". I'm just looking at it from a psychological perspective. I think it's worth $15 a month. But many players who only have 2 weeks may not get it yet, and I can't play with friends I know becuase their sub is already over..
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Post by: LilMak on July 11, 2018, 05:55:06 PM
I think a big issue these days is many of the tools put in place were designed around larger numbers. They were put there to make it more difficult for larger groups to succeed in steamrolling maps but not stop it all together. Those days are gone for the moment. What has always spurred combat was the prize of capturing the flag. I believe we need to reel some things back to encourage player vs player combat.
These are things that I think can be adjusted temporarily to get things rolling...
Perk the M3 with field supplies. Perk it heavily.
Raise the radar level and bring back the threat NOE raids. As of right now, there is zero reason for aircraft to dip below 15k once they’re up there.
Reduce the 88 and 5” icons to 6k like everything else and turn on the kill shooter for them. So if you’re plugging away at a furball, you nuke the gun if you hit a friendly.
Get rid of GV dar and even out the icons. I’m not a ground pounder and even I think the GV dar is stupid. Or, if you’re insistent on keeping it, increase the size of the block by 50%.
We have to police ourselves as a community too. I really wish there was a noob icon. Like a diamond over the icon if the player is within his free trial stage so you can help them and maybe not be so merciless to people who are trying to learn. I can’t imagine how hard it would be to start this game fresh and have 5 players doing the seagull thing.
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Post by: Traveler on July 11, 2018, 10:44:48 PM
These are things that I think can be adjusted temporarily to get things rolling...
Perk the M3 with field supplies. Perk it heavily.
Why do you think perking the M3 would have any impact on the game? My Squad spends time resupplying fields and I've yet to lose an M3. I've been playing for a very very long time, I can't remember the last time that I had an M3 taken out from under me. Remember, perks are only spent if you lose the vehicle.
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Post by: Devil 505 on July 11, 2018, 11:22:30 PM
Why do you think perking the M3 would have any impact on the game? My Squad spends time resupplying fields and I've yet to lose an M3. I've been playing for a very very long time, I can't remember the last time that I had an M3 taken out from under me. Remember, perks are only spent if you lose the vehicle.
Even more reason to go back to 6K GV icons.
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Post by: LilMak on July 11, 2018, 11:25:05 PM
Why do you think perking the M3 would have any impact on the game? My Squad spends time resupplying fields and I've yet to lose an M3. I've been playing for a very very long time, I can't remember the last time that I had an M3 taken out from under me. Remember, perks are only spent if you lose the vehicle.
Meh...I’d rather see the town re supply go away all together. But too many would cry about it. If they were perked it might give people some incentive to hunt them.
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Post by: hgtonyvi on July 11, 2018, 11:35:02 PM
I have to agree with mak. He has been here a long time. Perks??? Perk the damn p47m. :devil
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: LilMak on July 11, 2018, 11:44:25 PM
... and if you go to the Wishlist subforum, and post major gameplay improvement ideas, you get shot down by the armchair generals who say the gameplay is fine.
Been saying this in threads for years and you are absolutely right they say it's "fine" but make no substantial argument why it's better the way it is and not the proposed change...
Why do you think perking the M3 would have any impact on the game? My Squad spends time resupplying fields and I've yet to lose an M3. I've been playing for a very very long time, I can't remember the last time that I had an M3 taken out from under me. Remember, perks are only spent if you lose the vehicle.
Jesus I might need to start another "M3 is OP" Post if this is true
I think a big issue these days is many of the tools put in place were designed around larger numbers.
I disagree, M3 town resupply was being used when there was 300+ in the MA and I was making threads about it all the way back then...2011 or 2012 was my first M3 thread.
Game META changes when players evolve and find somethings works over something else....Bomb and Bail, Town Resupply, Front quarter hot merges, tracers off vs tracers on....
a lot of the stubborn old timers will say "It's nothing we haven't seen before" because they are an old fool(Just look at the Aces High Facebook page, half the guys look like they are off their meds or on too many)
Best examples of changes HTC forced to change the games META....Whirbel Turret speed(sorry LTARS), Radar changes vs NOE raids(sorry Jokers), and IL2 3rd person view(sorry GHI)...probably the best game play updates I can remember other than the addition to planes and new graphics/terrain.
Best part of those type of changes....people don't leave because of them, whirbel players just started turning into the direction of their enemy, NOE raids didnt take buffs and went over water instead of land, and GHI started flying a hurricane and abusing ping in that instead
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Post by: pope14 on July 12, 2018, 12:43:45 AM
The most popular games have 80k vievers. Even a game like FSX have a few hundred viewers. But it also depends a lot on the streamers,
I streamed for 2-3 months mostly Aces High during that time. The best night for the game 3 streamers had around 12 people watching which put us around 250 games down on the game list, not many people will scroll down that far. Along with that most of my followers already played the game so I wasn't really bringing in anyone new. I tried to branch out a bit but with no success of anyone else watching from other games, just the same few people watching from Aces High. Something else is you cant search "Air combat" or "WW2 fighter game" on Twitch and find the game.
If I could have clear directions on how to do it. I would attempt it.
Send me a PM if you want to try it, I will do my best to help out.
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Post by: fd ski on July 12, 2018, 02:16:13 AM
i play euro times. 60-80 people in the arena is a norm, 100 is high levels. Even at 80 it is a challenge to find a fight.
As far as I can tell, maps are simply too large. Back in WB days i remember 80 players as excellent number on given map, but they weren't THAT big. (http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/640684-warbirds-windows-screenshot-select-the-airfield-on-the-map.jpg)
Notice that largest distance between airfields on N-S W-E axis is 120 miles.
Ok, not much room for strat, but you can find a fight really easily.
I wrote to HT while back with an idea of "sizing" maps using cloud fronts - basically - depending on arena numbers clouds from the external edge of the map would close in or move out to make to narrow or widen playing field. Obviously map would need to be designed to accommodate for that. This way you could size the map without kicking everyone off the server.
Game is fine. Just need to make it easier to meet :) Too much room.
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Post by: save on July 12, 2018, 03:47:12 AM
Agreed, either a cloud front, or simply shut down some fields, and when numbers allow it, open them up again, the front-line need to be more narrow.
i play euro times. 60-80 people in the arena is a norm, 100 is high levels. Even at 80 it is a challenge to find a fight.
As far as I can tell, maps are simply too large. Back in WB days i remember 80 players as excellent number on given map, but they weren't THAT big.
Notice that largest distance between airfields on N-S W-E axis is 120 miles.
Ok, not much room for strat, but you can find a fight really easily.
I wrote to HT while back with an idea of "sizing" maps using cloud fronts - basically - depending on arena numbers clouds from the external edge of the map would close in or move out to make to narrow or widen playing field. Obviously map would need to be designed to accommodate for that. This way you could size the map without kicking everyone off the server.
Game is fine. Just need to make it easier to meet :) Too much room.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Brooke on July 12, 2018, 04:17:20 AM
I think it would be good for battle area in the game to be adjusted according to the number of players.
We do that in scenarios to keep good action. For example, in ones focused on a lot of tactical action, if we have a battle that will have 60 players, we focus the battle into about 4 sectors by 4 sectors.
Here is an old Air Warrior map, from back when having 10 people on line still resulted in good multi-aircraft fights.
It is, in AH terms, about 1.5 sectors by 1.5 sectors. However, as I vaguely recall, there was some aspect of aircraft operating in half time in Air Warrior in those days, so that is perhaps like 3 sectors by 3 sectors in AH.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FLOOB on July 12, 2018, 07:59:14 AM
Playing two games at once is pretty common nowadays. All them spawn campers in EQ etc. are also playing Civ or something at the same time.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Traveler on July 12, 2018, 08:24:37 AM
Hell, you can't google it either, not even listed.
I keep seeing people say this and yet when this is what I get when I do a search. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=393597.0;attach=30125)
My guess is there will always be word combinations some things are just not going to show up on.
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Post by: TWCAxew on July 12, 2018, 09:17:48 AM
Same exact words its also not in the list when you click trough the side buttons.
DutchVII
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 12, 2018, 09:18:43 AM
I typed in the same words as your and it doesn't show Aces High at all. Google tailors the results by the person doing the search history. I do t do a lot of searching. because I have a thousand links saved so it gives me a much wider, generic set of results. Someone new looking g fle an air combat game won't see AH until at least the second page.
I dont think streaming will help much unless its someone e who already has a large following doing it. I do believe having an active presents on social media would help. My little attempt brought a bunch of followers. I couldn't get anyone else to fill out other times of the day and week, but for my little time on it seemed draw some intrest.
HTC needs to get the game out there front and center. They need to be a bit more proactive with the community like they use to in the old days. They need to have a hook to hold new players to the game long enough to get them hooked and subscribed (half dozen unlimited free planes and gvs in the MA)
Maintaining the status quo isn't going to bring in new players. Change with the times is always needed.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Skuzzy on July 12, 2018, 09:33:15 AM
I do not do a lot of searching either, especially for ww2 air combat games. I also do not have any cookies stored on any of my computers.
Matter of fact, I quit using Google and switched to Duckduckgo some time ago. I am not a fan of Google's strong-arm tactics they have been employing lately. That is a personal observation, not related to anything at HTC.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FLOOB on July 12, 2018, 09:33:25 AM
I was thinking on that subject they other day. If I was a new player who'd never heard of aces high, how the hell would I ever hear about it today? The only reason most players our age ever heard of AH is because we picked up a box of AW or WB from a store shelf twenty years ago.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Skuzzy on July 12, 2018, 09:35:35 AM
It is not a matter of players not finding us. It never has been.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FLOOB on July 12, 2018, 09:43:20 AM
Then what is the matter?
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Traveler on July 12, 2018, 09:46:04 AM
I do not do a lot of searching either, especially for ww2 air combat games. I also do not have any cookies stored on any of my computers.
Matter of fact, I quit using Google and switched to Duckduckgo some time ago. I am not a fan of Google's strong-arm tactics they have been employing lately. That is a personal observation, not related to anything at HTC.
We all understand how much you dislike Google, Microsoft, but the customer base uses what is delivered on their machines, they just use what ever that works for them. You may have no trouble using your Duckduckgo to find what you want, but the majority of the potential customer base is using what they got and as several have pointed out, they can't find a listing for AH using the tools that came on their machine.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 12, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
It popped up for me. That being said. I think the thumbnail could be updated or reworked.
From an online marketing perspective. I think HTC could is missing a lot of opportunities with videos, pics, special even announcements. All of this stuff would be much better right on the front page instead of having to click on other tabs, or search the forums. More excitement on the front page would help a lot. Posting a film on of a scenario where you are in the cockpit (the full cockpit not 2 inches from the aimer) merging with like 20 enimies with your squad would go way way further than just that one vid of the F4F.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 09:58:20 AM
We all understand how much you dislike Google, Microsoft, but the customer base uses what is delivered on their machines, they just use what ever that works for them. You may have no trouble using your Duckduckgo to find what you want, but the majority of the potential customer base is using what they got and as several have pointed out, they can't find a listing for AH using the tools that came on their machine.
I hate google. I tried ddg and didn’t like it either. Now I’m using Bing. We will see...
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Skuzzy on July 12, 2018, 10:12:54 AM
Here are a couple of HiTech's replies. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,390473.msg5188686.html#msg5188686 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,390589.msg5188631.html#msg5188631
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 12, 2018, 10:48:12 AM
IMO, players don't stay long because they enter the MA, take off, and have no idea where or what they are doing. Then they get battered in the dog eat dog MA. The distance to find the fight. Having to re-roll every time which a new stick's patients as they take 20 minutes to find a con, only to die quickly and have to do it all over again. That's why H2H really attracted me. I could fight quickly. Even if I died a lot. The MA is a whole nother level. Unfortunately the Furball arenas just haven't been good enough and the #s remain at 0, which means no one will go in there. I think the training videos and all of that is good. Learning how to set up your JS, find a find a fight, and not just waste your time floating in space, is what make it very hard for new players.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FLOOB on July 12, 2018, 11:21:39 AM
Here are a couple of HiTech's replies. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,390473.msg5188686.html#msg5188686 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,390589.msg5188631.html#msg5188631
Thanks bruvah
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Skuzzy on July 12, 2018, 11:58:14 AM
We all understand how much you dislike Google, Microsoft, but the customer base uses what is delivered on their machines, they just use what ever that works for them. You may have no trouble using your Duckduckgo to find what you want, but the majority of the potential customer base is using what they got and as several have pointed out, they can't find a listing for AH using the tools that came on their machine.
You completely misunderstood my intent. My intent was to show Google does not have much of the way of search information from me as I do not use them, or rarely use them.
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Post by: Dundee on July 12, 2018, 12:40:45 PM
This was obvious when I created my first terrain. I experimented with a majority of airfields inside of 25 miles instead of all evenly spaced at 25 miles. Our smaller numbers don't need long transit times to keep us from super hoarding anymore. My latest design I just submitted has almost all feilds at the minimum of 19 miles. I suspect Hitech will only allow 13 miles on a setup like the center islands of NDisles and my Oceania as one off contained quick combat areas. This time around I did a 3 sector pond for quick task group combat as my experiment into game play design for AH3. My first two terrains were filled with experiments to understand how to evolve AH3 to address the needs of smaller numbers.
Anything more and we become War Thunder which is not what Aces High is.
I think when maps are turned over in less than 24 hours there is a real problem with the map......or is it the player base.... or a combination of both.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 12:59:51 PM
I think when maps are turned over in less than 24 hours there is a real problem with the map......or is it the player base.... or a combination of both.
Two-sided war, and harden the bases as more are taken so that the last push takes a lot of effort.
What we have now is a two-sided war disguised as three.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Skuzzy on July 12, 2018, 01:21:25 PM
Two-sided war, and harden the bases as more are taken so that the last push takes a lot of effort.
What we have now is a two-sided war disguised as three.
Let me toss some numbers at you and maybe you will understand why 3 sides is better.
Take 60 players total. Now, in a 3 sided war, there could be 20 players per country. Giving each 20 player country 40 potential targets to shoot at.
Now, in a 2 sided war, there could be 30 players per country. Giving each 30 player country 30 potential targets to shoot at.
Get it?
So when you all start coming back and saying the countries are not that balanced and yet complain about no targets to shoot at,.....the solution should become apparent.
You want more targets to shoot at? Sooooo....
[yes, I am trying to lead that stubborn horse to water....]
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 01:29:36 PM
Let me toss some numbers at you and maybe you will understand why 3 sides is better.
Take 60 players total. Now, in a 3 sided war, there could be 20 players per country. Giving each 20 player country 40 potential targets to shoot at.
Now, in a 2 sided war, there could be 30 players per country. Giving each 30 player country 30 potential targets to shoot at.
Get it?
So when you all start coming back and saying the countries are not that balanced and yet complain about no targets to shoot at,.....the solution should become apparent.
You want more targets to shoot at? Sooooo....
[yes, I am trying to lead that stubborn horse to water....]
No, you are just (gently) insulting us. :noid (Okay maybe not...) :bolt:
I'll give you another scenario (that's much more common). No matter how many players you have on the three sides if the war is on a front that doesn't meet your own then you have nothing to do but take empty bases.
The Nits and the Bish fight it out on the other side of the map and the Rooks get to twiddle thumbs. That's what usually happens. So if you switch sides to find action you get ENY'd and stuck for four hours.
The numbers are simply too diluted for three sides at the moment. I've played three-sided (AH) and two-sided (WB) arenas with these numbers and the two-sided provided more action. My opinion. It's worth about as much as you can sell it for--which is not a nickel. :rofl :cheers:
1) If two sides is not the answer then the obvious solution is to drive up numbers, and that mystery is still being solved.
2) The other is to funnel action via the map structure, which we see Bustr doing.
(I still can't help but think two sides would concentrate the fighting until we get back into the higher participation levels of previous years. Action breeds interest.)
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Post by: Skuzzy on July 12, 2018, 01:44:32 PM
What you just mentioned has little to do with the number of sides and more to do with how players are playing the game. The number of sides will not change that. They still will play the game they way they are playing now, but now you will have forced fewer people into confronting them which really serves to exacerbate the situation.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 01:46:27 PM
What you just mentioned has little to do with the number of sides and more to do with how players are playing the game. The number of sides will not change that.
How could it not?
If an attack occurs on my front it can always be opposed.
If it occurs half way across the map on the other guy's front I can certainly join in but I'll need my drop tanks and a lot of time to get there.
This is an unfortunate reality lately.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 01:48:21 PM
What you just mentioned has little to do with the number of sides and more to do with how players are playing the game. The number of sides will not change that. They still will play the game they way they are playing now, but now you will have forced fewer people into confronting them which really serves to exacerbate the situation.
(I missed your edit, sorry.)
I don't see how it forces fewer people to confront them.
Let's look at it this way: If it's 30/30/30 and the first two 30s are fighting all the way across the map on THEIR front and not mine then that's 30 vs 30 with 30 sitting around. If you switch that to two fronts now you have 45 vs 45.
45 > 30, and 90 > 60.
I understand the balance concerns, but surely that can be worked out by the players. I know we did it all the time in Brand X.
Any way, just thinking out loud, not trying to be confrontational. Obviously numbers drive everything and that's where the brain power needs to be directed (how to get new players to stay).
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Skuzzy on July 12, 2018, 01:55:52 PM
You are painting with a very specific brush. I could counter that quite easily, but then it just gets into specific situations.
Your original specific brush was about people not wanting to fight and that is not going to change with number of sides.
If 30 people do not want to fight, then those 30 are not going to fight no matter the number of sides.
Mathematically, increasing the odds of finding a player wanting to fight is going to be achieved with higher numbers of targets to shoot at. With 1:1 you lose any chance of that happening.
Yes, you can come up with specific situations where any scenario will fail, but for the most part the best you can hope for is to have more chances to shoot at something, and not less.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 12, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
You are painting with a very specific brush. I could counter that quite easily, but then it just gets into specific situations.
It is a specific situation, but it is not an uncommon one in the arena between 8 and midnight eastern. The side with no action may change, but it happens often enough in a week to be annoying.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Skuzzy on July 12, 2018, 02:06:58 PM
It is a specific situation, but it is not an uncommon one in the arena between 8 and midnight eastern. The side with no action may change, but it happens often enough in a week to be annoying.
Wiley.
That's just it. Reducing the number of sides is not going to make things better. In fact, it could make it worse.
So you have 30 vs 30, but half of one side does not want to fight, then you are stuck in a lopsided fight where the other side cannot find anyone to shoot at and you are overwhelmed by their numbers.
3 sides actually reduces the potential for that to happen.
Again, this goes to how players are playing the game and not about the number of sides.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 12, 2018, 02:19:12 PM
That's just it. Reducing the number of sides is not going to make things better. In fact, it could make it worse.
So you have 30 vs 30, but half of one side does not want to fight, then you are stuck in a lopsided fight where the other side cannot find anyone to shoot at and you are overwhelmed by their numbers.
3 sides actually reduces the potential for that to happen.
Again, this goes to how players are playing the game and not about the number of sides.
That's my main concern with a 2 sided war is the base takers gravitating to one side and the two sides basically wind up being the "Winners" and the "Losers". And that might even be a likely scenario.
There are nights though when overwhelming enemy odds would be a welcome sight for me over the maximum 4 planes (it's actually 2) worth of bardar on my fronts.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 02:25:17 PM
That's my main concern with a 2 sided war is the base takers gravitating to one side and the two sides basically wind up being the "Winners" and the "Losers". And that might even be a likely scenario.
There are nights though when overwhelming enemy odds would be a welcome sight for me over the maximum 4 planes (it's actually 2) worth of bardar on my fronts.
Wiley.
There are mechanisms to prevent that. I don't understand why this is such a concern any way. I've never had this problem anywhere else. People switch for balance. The ENY hammer would actually be useful in this situation, too.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 12, 2018, 02:27:45 PM
I think it would be great to switch to two sides just to see the drama on which one gets the axe. :)
Oh they'd have to change the names, not just drop one. There'd still be plenty of drama though over "I've been (insert country here) for almost 20 years blah blah blah. How will I ever know which side is morally superior now? blah blah blah"
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 02:34:43 PM
Honestly I would too but HTC's concerns are not dismissible.
Wiley.
There's not much difference here than there, except that things have become quite a bit more toxic in AH lately. I think people are getting frustrated again by the lower numbers. We saw this right before the Steam boost lifted everyone's spirits. People were much more antagonistic and chippy compared to their normal selves...
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 12, 2018, 03:16:59 PM
I disagree. Over there a lot higher proportion of the people were a lot more interested in playing a game against other people rather than horde rolling the other side unopposed. They could still be dweeby AF about it, but they were generally there to PvP.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FESS67 on July 12, 2018, 03:24:51 PM
Skuzzy,
With all due respect sir you are applying a mathematical solution to a problem that requires a practical solution.
The fact is with a 3 side war in the current game, even with 60 players a side, one of those sides is often left with nothing to do other than bomb empty bases in the hope the enemy will break away from the fight on their other front.
Truth is too many times we look at the map and see big dar bars over the other side as we twiddle our thumbs.
Kinda like the third wheel on a date.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 03:25:16 PM
I disagree. Over there a lot higher proportion of the people were a lot more interested in playing a game against other people rather than horde rolling the other side unopposed. They could still be dweeby AF about it, but they were generally there to PvP.
Wiley.
Could be. I tend to think it is the same market segment made up of the same bell curve of players and hiders. Limit the horde to 25% fuel and no good rides and they'll balance up right quick. Or even better, make it harder to take bases as you get closer to winning. At least that way the horde has to work for it.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 03:25:47 PM
With all due respect sir you are applying a mathematical solution to a problem that requires a practical solution.
The fact is with a 3 side war in the current game, even with 60 players a side, one of those sides is often left with nothing to do other than bomb empty bases in the hope the enemy will break away from the fight on their other front.
Truth is too many times we look at the map and see big dar bars over the other side as we twiddle our thumbs.
Kinda like the third wheel on a date.
Bingo. That's the problem.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 12, 2018, 03:27:42 PM
I agree, that is a big problem...PROBLEM IS :uhoh How do you control Human Nature in a game,FAIRLY. It happens too ALL sides sooner or later,True. It sure sucks when it is happening to YOUR side...Swap sides for balance, would work UNTIL you go back home and get HATE PMS from those who you killed. May not even need to swap back for that to happen. We ALL KNOW those players. There is a lot of TOXIC BS that goes on , on a daily basis. All you need to do is look at 200 for 10 minutes. HOW on Gods green earth are we to expect HighTech to program this game too attract new players....WHEN WE(as a community) have trouble keeping the players we have NOW! I love this GENRE of a game, its honestly the only reason I am still here and stuck with it long enough to learn the game. Most of us are of the same mindset, we LOVE the game. Personally, I have a hard time even recommending this game to folk I know. Every new player is a Bomb Drop on a GV, or a Lucky Shot from a 20mm away from being harassed in PUBLIC or PRIVATE messages. Why would I promote THAT? Most of the problems that I come across are NOT something Dale or Skuzzy can fix. I am just thankful they havent just said "SCREW THIS" and quit on all of us. :uhoh
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Brooke on July 12, 2018, 03:46:48 PM
I'd love to see players always be able to switch to a country with fewer players -- but they can change to a country with more players only once very X hours as a limit.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 12, 2018, 03:53:12 PM
:aokI agree, that is a big problem...PROBLEM IS :uhoh How do you control Human Nature in a game,FAIRLY. It happens too ALL sides sooner or later,True. It sure sucks when it is happening to YOUR side...Swap sides for balance, would work UNTIL you go back home and get HATE PMS from those who you killed. May not even need to swap back for that to happen. We ALL KNOW those players. There is a lot of TOXIC BS that goes on , on a daily basis. All you need to do is look at 200 for 10 minutes. HOW on Gods green earth are we to expect HighTech to program this game too attract new players....WHEN WE(as a community) have trouble keeping the players we have NOW! I love this GENRE of a game, its honestly the only reason I am still here and stuck with it long enough to learn the game. Most of us are of the same mindset, we LOVE the game. Personally, I have a hard time even recommending this game to folk I know. Every new player is a Bomb Drop on a GV, or a Lucky Shot from a 20mm away from being harassed in PUBLIC or PRIVATE messages. Why would I promote THAT? Most of the problems that I come across are NOT something Dale or Skuzzy can fix. I am just thankful they havent just said "SCREW THIS" and quit on all of us. :uhoh
I think you're overstating it a bit. The toxicity in this game at its worst is a mild Tuesday in a lot of other games. Online play comes with its downside, and here we've got it good.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 04:14:12 PM
Okay by me. I whine and log because there’s nothing to do.
So we can keep doing what is no longer working or try something else.
"Doing something" doesn't automatically improve the situation. It could well make it worse. So many people talk about how much better it would be if it was 2 sided, axis vs allies, yet somehow the AvA remains empty.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 12, 2018, 04:37:41 PM
Here are a couple of HiTech's replies. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,390473.msg5188686.html#msg5188686 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,390589.msg5188631.html#msg5188631
Well, that was 8 months ago, whats he working on now? :devil
I think he might want to work on getting the game playable with a game controller.... xbox and such. I know that they are pretty useless, but if a default map can be made and loaded on detection it might make it a bit easier for some of these new players to get going.
What were some of the exit interview reasons for not coming back? Is there no data? There has got to some common reason why such a large percentage of players dont come back.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: flippz on July 12, 2018, 04:41:12 PM
Let me toss some numbers at you and maybe you will understand why 3 sides is better.
Take 60 players total. Now, in a 3 sided war, there could be 20 players per country. Giving each 20 player country 40 potential targets to shoot at.
Now, in a 2 sided war, there could be 30 players per country. Giving each 30 player country 30 potential targets to shoot at.
Get it?
So when you all start coming back and saying the countries are not that balanced and yet complain about no targets to shoot at,.....the solution should become apparent.
You want more targets to shoot at? Sooooo....
[yes, I am trying to lead that stubborn horse to water....]
Not being a jerk but do y’all log in at night? Watch the ebb and flow of the fight? That’s a serious question. I can probably count on one hand the times I have actually seen a three country fight break out with decent numbers. Last night I logged in around 8pm est. double dar on both bish fronts. I attempted to up twice on both fronts not even sure I got my gear up. The numbers were bish 39 knights 43 and rook 39. I logged off. I don’t feel like flying almost two sectors from a back base to get to a horde that is gonna maul me anyway when I get there, guess how a new player is gonna feel? If a three country system is such an enterprising idea why are all other games 2 country front fights? I know about 10 bish that have quit due to the constant hording of a country every night they log on. It’s not enjoyable it’s not good for the game and damn not good as a welcome mat for new players. There are a lot things that can help game play and three country front and eny are not those things. The 6 hour side switch does not help either
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 12, 2018, 04:47:20 PM
If a three country system is such an enterprising idea why are all other games 2 country front fights?
Name 1 other game that's open world base taking PvP like this. The only one I know of is Planetside 2. Take a guess how many sides they have. There's something to it, contrary to popular belief.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Shuffler on July 12, 2018, 04:52:13 PM
When I get back in the game I will spread the cheer of FROZEN MARGARITAS and all will be well again.
First thing I will do is replace all the worn blenders in the squad's P-38s. From there the cheer will spill out and all will have the Headhunters to shoot at.........
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 12, 2018, 05:32:26 PM
"Doing something" doesn't automatically improve the situation. It could well make it worse. So many people talk about how much better it would be if it was 2 sided, axis vs allies, yet somehow the AvA remains empty.
Wiley.
This is a straw man. AvA is not the same as the Main, regardless the number of sides. It's apples and oranges.
You cannot compare them as equivalents for too many reasons to list, the most obvious being contained within the arena name(s).
Ultimately arena popularity is driven by critical mass. In WB the AvA was popular and the Main was empty--until it wasn't. Almost overnight.
Doing something doesn't mean just anything for no reason. Change for the sake of change is bad. That’s not what is being suggested/discussed/advocated in this case.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: LilMak on July 12, 2018, 06:38:39 PM
I think just getting the players we have to participate in the conflict will help tremendously. Like I implied, there are too many tools in place which give players ways to contribute to the “war” effort without actually engaging in player vs player combat. These tools can be (and are) accomplished by AI.
Bases are the key. They’ve always driven combat but now they’re a little too difficult to take with the smaller numbers. It’s simply easier and more efficient to avoid conflict and snatch the undefended. I believe this is why things have devolved to one country getting hammered by the other two. It’s simply easier to take ground when there is little threat from a couple players on the undefended front. I believe that’s why no one will up from a base with a small darbar engaging it. The horded side gets frustrated and players start logging. Followed by ENY kicking in and the high numbers side starts logging too. Then we’re left with a big empty sandbox. I personally believe the M3 is to a large part responsible. One player can undo the effort of 5-10 in two minutes or less.
Just remove resup or make it exclusive to goons or something.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: lunatic1 on July 12, 2018, 07:17:00 PM
wish there was a way to get new players to post in here what they find wrong with the game(their version) or what they like or dislike about it :joystick:
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Lazerr on July 12, 2018, 09:08:16 PM
I think the fact people think 3 countries is better than two for creating action is hilarious.. what kind of logic is that??
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: flippz on July 12, 2018, 09:53:38 PM
ok logged in this evening at about 5:30 pm est played till 10:30 pm est not a single knight rook fight on there front other than once at a9 and it fizzled in about 15 min. that makes for some piss poor game play in the evening when we shall I say have some players on. all numbers were about equal with in 4 players everytime I checked. constant solid dars on both our fronts all night. I like fighting planes but it gets tedious that every time I up I know I am going to have to fight 5 planes to get a fight. and you guys that cry about getting out of the ack, and get out of the guns and get out of the gvs, maybe if they could get off the ground and not fight 5 of you at once they would. maybe if we didn't have to fly a sector and half to get to the base more people would up. it has as much to do with you guys hoarding one country as it does them not upping fighter so they can be vulched and picked and ganged.
Name 1 other game that's open world base taking PvP like this. The only one I know of is Planetside 2. Take a guess how many sides they have. There's something to it, contrary to popular belief.
Wiley.
wiley I have only started playing games in the last couple of years so I can only speak of the 3 or 4 I have played, but in those there are only two countries and there doesn't seem to be the mass hoarding we get in here and numbers for the most part start pretty equal as the side changing at most only affect you for 10 min. now tell me how being ganged all night is fun by two countries? I get to play a lot more than others but I can tell you I would find no intrest at all in this game if I logged in for a few hours every night and this is what I logged in to or vice versa every night I logged in there was 12 green guys all trying to get a kill on the 1 or 2 of the red guys that tried to up. maybe it worked back in 1996 or when ever the hay day of the game but it don't really work now. times change players change and if you are not willing to change with you get left behind.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 715 on July 13, 2018, 12:42:57 AM
wish there was a way to get new players to post in here what they find wrong with the game(their version) or what they like or dislike about it :joystick:
One thing you can do is look at the Steam reviews people leave. By far the most prevalent negative comments refer to the $15/month expense and that the learning curve is extremely steep (actually mentioned in both positive and negative reviews). A somewhat less common complaint is that the controls are difficult to set up and/or it's too hard to control the plane (especially in VR).
Positive comments include the open sandbox nature of AH3, the graphics of some of the planes/vehicles, and the fact that virtually all planes and vehicles are available to everyone (as compared to some games where you either have to grind forever to get access to vehicles/planes that aren't junk or you have to open your wallet and pay to win).
You can see that some of these are not self-consistent: they don't want to pay the $15/month, yet they also don't want to pay microtransactions for access to good equipment.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 13, 2018, 12:57:31 AM
You can see that some of these are not self-consistent: they don't want to pay the $15/month, yet they also don't want to pay microtransactions for access to good equipment.
It's perfectly consistent. They don't want to pay. ;)
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 13, 2018, 01:39:58 AM
I think you're overstating it a bit. The toxicity in this game at its worst is a mild Tuesday in a lot of other games. Online play comes with its downside, and here we've got it good.
Wiley.
Yes SIR! I agree...My point was that we should be BETTER as a community, especially since we have a Superior game. I have seen several New Players have the scenario I mentioned TOTALLY turn them off to this game. These players were FROM some of the other(Over The Top chippy/hostile) game communities, so they were NO Shrinking Violets when it comes to knowing what is out there. They loved the "game Play" model, but being that it cost $15 a month AND dealing with the same type of BS (all be it way tamer) was just too much. In all honesty...I couldnt blame them :mad:
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 13, 2018, 01:49:01 AM
I'd love to see players always be able to switch to a country with fewer players -- but they can change to a country with more players only once very X hours as a limit.
Now THAT is something I could get behind :rock Seems like the best of both worlds. Would cut down on folk switching just to collect the perks for a win...AND balances the numbers :rock This AND a way to BOOT players that are sitting in tower for hours on end would solve MOST of the gripes I see here.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: TWCAxew on July 13, 2018, 04:06:49 AM
I personally do love the idea of 3 countries. But with numbers how they are now in my timezone, there is little to do except join the horde. I was flying around 2 days ago and there was nothing to do for 2 hours. I decided (against squad rules) to switch sides and fight the horde. While that was fun, it felt like i was basically fighting 10 guys on my own (there where 2 others defending as well).
There needs something to change. Either rework eny and the time limed to switching sides. (why is this so long to begin with? why not 30 minutes or an hour?(i know it was 8 hours in the past but 4 is still to long). Or reduce the games amount of countries. Again i love the 3 countries system but being bored to sh*t makes me wanna play other games instead.
DutchVII
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Lazerr on July 13, 2018, 10:06:58 AM
I personally do love the idea of 3 countries. But with numbers how they are now in my timezone, there is little to do except join the horde. I was flying around 2 days ago and there was nothing to do for 2 hours. I decided (against squad rules) to switch sides and fight the horde. While that was fun, it felt like i was basically fighting 10 guys on my own (there where 2 others defending as well).
There needs something to change. Either rework eny and the time limed to switching sides. (why is this so long to begin with? why not 30 minutes or an hour?(i know it was 8 hours in the past but 4 is still to long). Or reduce the games amount of countries. Again i love the 3 countries system but being bored to sh*t makes me wanna play other games instead.
DutchVII
Your not the only one it makes bored.. the numbers show it. It appears the company here thinks 20 vs 20 vs 20 = more targets.. when in reality it is 20vs 20, while the other 20 log off bored. I lost count of how many times ive seen it happen. Myself and others quit banging our head against a wall trying to explain it, or "whine' about it ,and other things such as resupply, in hopes to see a change. The only change you see though is peoples overall interest in the game.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 13, 2018, 10:08:06 AM
Your not the only one it makes bored.. the numbers show it. It appears the company here thinks 20 vs 20 vs 20 = more targets.. when in reality it is 20vs 20, while the other 20 log off bored. I lost count of how many times ive seen it happen. Myself and others quit banging our head against a wall trying to explain it, or "whine' about it ,and other things such as resupply, in hopes to see a change. The only change you see though is peoples overall interest in the game.
I hate to say it, because I don't want to anger anyone....but.....you're right.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Lazerr on July 13, 2018, 10:49:59 AM
Zactly. The game has many aspects to try out if boredam sets in, assuming one has an open mind for something different.
I just don't see it that way. I love this game, but when the arena is empty there's not much difference between that and trying new things offline.
Something has to change or we are going to lose more players. I wish I had the answer. I'm pondering it all day long sometimes and I can't figure it out.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 13, 2018, 02:28:58 PM
You completely misunderstood my intent. My intent was to show Google does not have much of the way of search information from me as I do not use them, or rarely use them.
my intent was to show you that your customer base may or may not have a search history with google, they may or may not be using Ie or edge or what ever tool was delivered with their machine. My point was and still is that given the tools your potential customers have if they do a search for Air combat games or WW2 Flight Simulator or Air Combat Simulator, it doesn't do HTC any good if Aces High is not one of the top 5 game sites listed and my experience has been that using Google or Edge or IE, I just don't see Aces High listed.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 100Coogn on July 13, 2018, 06:22:34 PM
What the hell are you doing Tabbing out of a game? If you do that here, then you deserve to be shot down. Pay attention. :old:
Coogan
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: BuckShot on July 13, 2018, 06:31:24 PM
I sharpen knives, play with dogs, or talk to the wife (wife ack deterrent), or chat with my squaddie during climb out.
I like that climb out times weed out the instant-action-turd-thunder-acrade-mode player types.
It would be nice if all of the climb, speed, and armor charts were available from the clipboard during flight. Maybe even writeup/history/specs for each plane. It would be something game related to do during climbout.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: TWCAxew on July 13, 2018, 06:33:02 PM
I sharpen knives, play with dogs, or talk to the wife (wife ack deterrent), or chat with my squaddie during climb out.
I like that climb out times weed out the instant-action-turd-thunder-acrade-mode player types.
It would be nice if all of the climb, speed, and armor charts were available from the clipboard during flight. Maybe even writeup/history/specs for each plane. It would be something game related to do during climbout.
Same I do not think this is a bad thing.
DutchVII
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 13, 2018, 06:55:19 PM
I think what he is saying is that he spends so much time flying around looking for/chasing fights that he finds himself alt-tabbing out to keep busy.
Fess doesn't have an issue with getting shot down, after all it doesnt happen to him very often :D
I do the same thing he does. I can measure the action dropoff by the number of times I've been shot down AFK/tabbed out the last six months -- ONCE. I also got compared to Fess the other day (a compliment) by another player, which leads me to believe the average skill level of opponents has declined if they think of me that way.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: b4o2s9s on July 13, 2018, 08:26:11 PM
I'm a bit timid to post, but I've loved AH since AH 1 and I would LOVE to see the game make a comeback. Back during the glory days of AH1 and early on into AH2, the competition was crap. Charged a ton of money, didn't provide the content, didn't provide the LEVEL of content, etc. That situation has changed, but AH hasn't. It's the same exact game it was back then with pretty graphics.
To be perfectly honest, I haven't played in quite a while. I played for years until I went into the military, then I played for quite a while after I got out, then I stopped during college. Tried to pick it back up for a month I believe and the numbers were so low that I just couldn't enjoy it, I was really expecting a return to having good fights and good times. What I found was a desolate wasteland.
The reason I don't play now? It's not worth $15 a month, compared to basically any other game that charges the same price. I'm a big fan of Eve Online, have over 9,000 hours in-game. You can mine resources, take space, lead groups, follow, have alliances of corps, PVP, PVE, go exploring, engage in the player-driven market, etc. and all for 14.95 a month (if you pay month-by month, discounts for paying multiple months). And that doesn't include the HOURS UPON HOURS of things you do when you are leadership for a corp or alliance! Why on earth would I pay $15 a month for a game where you can only go PVP, and there's almost nobody that plays anymore? The social aspect is nearly gone, and THAT is what interests me most in gaming these days. Oh and I'm not one of those WT players, hated it, only played it twice. I have World of Tanks, rarely play that either.
Also, I'm perfectly fine with the long flights to get to a fight, so I'm not jumping on that horse. I enjoy the realism aspect and the wonderful flight characteristics. I don't really think that should be changed.
Here's one of the problems. Out of the players that ARE left in the game, a lot of them don't want, even despise, game change. They want the same thing it has always been, and it's killing the game. Even though the players are leaving and new players aren't enjoying it, they don't care. And I do feel that this goes clear up to the game creators as well. I'm not trying to be rude or condescending, I think you guys are great and have done a lot of great things with the game, and gave me many many hours of enjoyment. But times have changed, there's a new breed out there, and honestly I'm trying to figure out if you guys are even still interested in the game or are just waiting for it to die. There's no social media, even the home page doesn't change for months. I check the home page once a week hoping to see something to excite me and bring me back. But re-skinning airplanes isn't fixing the game. Without advertising, this isn't getting to new potential players. :O
My list of things that need changed:
1. Content vs. Price - You can't have a high price and low content, that doesn't fly anymore. Either lower the price for current content, or keep price and increase content. 2. Advertise, advertise, advertise! Facebook, Twitter, there's plenty of free ways to advertise. Get the game out there!!! 3. Update SOMETHING! Even posting who won the last map on the home page, something to make it look like the devs are active AT ALL. 4. Content - This is the million dollar question. Here's my problems with current content: A. Accomplishment is short-lived (not sure how to combat this) B. Sense of investment: The perk planes address this some, but there's not enough feeling of investing in something, no reason to improve to not lose. C. Mission system: This just royally sucks, has for as long as I can remember! Please god improve this interface. :airplane: D. Player interaction needs to be encouraged more. Love the sandbox, I really do, but for example you should never be able to take a base by yourself. Should basically require 2 people or more. E. I want to say add some kind of PVE element that isn't really instrumental to the game, but something other than bombing hangars. I'm just not really sure what that would be honestly. F. Has anybody talked about a financial system? Not real-world money, but in-game money. Each sortie gains you money and perk points. Better outfittings cost money (not a lot). Those outfittings last until you lose that plane, etc. Successful sortie nets more money, etc. I dunno, something along those lines. Just an idea, probably complete poo, but would actually give players something to work towards on a personal level, both for survival AND for better guns. G. Make squads more meaningful than just "oh you're on a roster somewhere on the website" H. More interactive devs. The games that are really kicking bellybutton are pretty responsive to player feedback. That's basically the expectation these days, and the companies that aren't good at responding or don't respond period have largely failed. AH devs are cool guys, but the game seems to be what THEY want, not what the players want, and that will definitely hurt business with the new crowd especially. I. Add some kind of (I hate to say it) facebooky "like" system for posts to see if a lot of people actually like ideas.... :devil
I know my thoughts/ideas are far from perfect, and my points will fall upon many deaf ears, be scoffed at, criticized, whatever. Honestly I don't care because I hope that enough people voice their opinions that something finally changes. Like I say, I loved this game, and I literally check weekly to see if SOMETHING has happened to excite me and bring me back, but it cannot just stay the same thing it has always been and hope to survive. Miss the adventures and the fun <S> :salute
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Max on July 13, 2018, 09:01:40 PM
Gotta say, I agree and hear other long time players echo the same sentiments.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 13, 2018, 10:25:42 PM
I just don't see it that way. I love this game, but when the arena is empty there's not much difference between that and trying new things offline.
Something has to change or we are going to lose more players. I wish I had the answer. I'm pondering it all day long sometimes and I can't figure it out.
You don’t have to see it my way, nor me yours. In my time in game there’s been a drastic decline in team play. As a newb, it was fun to be involved in the huge noe raids and ensuing knock down drag out fur balls from the dirt to the hootesphere. Now days, it rare to see any significant team work of more than 2-4 players. It appears to have turned into a lone wolf environment.
So, with an open mind and desire to try something new, I can usually find something to have fun with. Those who have that insatiable need to stroke the ego are going to get bored pretty quick.
Then, there are the 4-5 V 1 dogfights of which there are no shortage.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 13, 2018, 11:04:47 PM
You don’t have to see it my way, nor me yours. In my time in game there’s been a drastic decline in team play. As a newb, it was fun to be involved in the huge noe raids and ensuing knock down drag out fur balls from the dirt to the hootesphere. Now days, it rare to see any significant team work of more than 2-4 players. It appears to have turned into a lone wolf environment.
So, with an open mind and desire to try something new, I can usually find something to have fun with. Those who have that insatiable need to stroke the ego are going to get bored pretty quick.
Then, there are the 4-5 V 1 dogfights of which there are no shortage.
LOL, well yeah, there's that!
I'm not bored over ego. I'm bored chasing ghosts and astronauts...
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Shuffler on July 14, 2018, 06:12:02 AM
One thing you can do is look at the Steam reviews people leave. By far the most prevalent negative comments refer to the $15/month expense and that the learning curve is extremely steep (actually mentioned in both positive and negative reviews). A somewhat less common complaint is that the controls are difficult to set up and/or it's too hard to control the plane (especially in VR).
Positive comments include the open sandbox nature of AH3, the graphics of some of the planes/vehicles, and the fact that virtually all planes and vehicles are available to everyone (as compared to some games where you either have to grind forever to get access to vehicles/planes that aren't junk or you have to open your wallet and pay to win).
You can see that some of these are not self-consistent: they don't want to pay the $15/month, yet they also don't want to pay microtransactions for access to good equipment.
People like that will go play a round of golf, maybe 4 hours, and pay the same for that as 3 to 10 months of AHIII. Not say a thing.
It is all about priorities and actually thinking about what one spends money on. The fee for aces high is a drop in the bucket and cheaper than most anything else you could possibly do that is entertaining.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FESS67 on July 14, 2018, 07:12:17 AM
I will reiterate my stance that I love the game and am not trying to disrespect it or any of you.
To build on my previous post, it feels like you have designed and built them most amazing car.....problem is it looks great in the showroom but is not practical for daily use. THAT is why people are not buying your car.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 14, 2018, 07:30:45 AM
It is all about priorities and actually thinking about what one spends money on. The fee for aces high is a drop in the bucket and cheaper than most anything else you could possibly do that is entertaining.
My thought exactly.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: TWCAxew on July 14, 2018, 08:36:38 AM
It is all about priorities and actually thinking about what one spends money on. The fee for aces high is a drop in the bucket and cheaper than most anything else you could possibly do that is entertaining.
Other games are cheaper. Except giants like wow. It's not for no reason lol Dota and fortnight are so popular. They are free. And than you have a bunch of indi games which cost 5 bucks at a steam sale. Only the AAA games make there costumers pay 60 bucks and than the optional loot boxes which you can buy.
Here we need to have a great pc. A joystick. Preferably a track ir and a sub of 15 bucks a month. It's not a cheap game in no sence of the way. 15 bucks is to much if you can play a free (or a 1 time fee)game instead with better graphics. And they are also havily marketed.
Now we are out of the economic crisis more ppl have a little more to spend. I for one if I where tight by cash I would spendy money on a new bed, cloths for my hypothetical daughter or fix that dam fence and maybe on a cheap game, which this is not.
DutchVII
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 14, 2018, 09:27:09 AM
You don’t have to see it my way, nor me yours. In my time in game there’s been a drastic decline in team play. As a newb, it was fun to be involved in the huge noe raids and ensuing knock down drag out fur balls from the dirt to the hootesphere. Now days, it rare to see any significant team work of more than 2-4 players. It appears to have turned into a lone wolf environment.
So, with an open mind and desire to try something new, I can usually find something to have fun with. Those who have that insatiable need to stroke the ego are going to get bored pretty quick.
Then, there are the 4-5 V 1 dogfights of which there are no shortage.
Agreed. The "name in lights" theme has taken over the "team play" aspect of the game. The best nights for me in this game is when my squad flies together whether it was like the old days in the "Mafia" where we could roll bases with easy against ANY defense, through the days with Odd-caf and the "47 Ronin" with his missions, and squad challenges, to fighting with the "56th" playing WITH other players has always been the "fun" stuff.
The only way to cure all of the issues in this game is to increase numbers. More players means more options in how you can play. You cant capture a base with 5 guys, so you take 25. This means one fight going on each front..... if your lucky. Double, triple those numbers and you have 2,3, maybe 4 fights going on each front. Some will have GVs, others will have bomber groups, some will be NOE. The idea is you will find every kind of fight available.
HTC needs to work on how to get more players in, and to stay. Skuzzy posted a link to one thing Hitech had posted....
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Increasing the amount of free time would not increase the number of subscribers, if a player is not hooked enough after 2 weeks to pay $15, then another 2 weeks will not get him to fork over the $15.
So that leaves the question what to do with the people who would still play, but are to cheep or cant afford the $15.
1. Opening up some free stuff to them in the main could possibly be a benefit simply to create fodder for subscribers. fodder is good, but it also shows more numbers in the MA which in turn will attract more players 2. Keeping them around long enough until they can afford AH could be a benefit. definitely, plus the added numbers also "looks" like the game in hoppin' 3. Providing a non paying method to continue to play could also loose some potential new subscribers. minimal I would think. your not going to give away top tier planes and GVs those that excel in those planes have already proven to be long time, LOYAL, subscribers 4. Keep them around but figure out a way to extract a lesser amount from them with out damaging the current inflow of new subscribers. Start a $5 a week subscription for all planes and GVs. It will add to the income for the company, and $15 a month now becomes a "Deal" by saving $5 off the weekly fee if you pay monthly But remember 75% of potential customers are gone after 30 minutes. Nothing posted above would have much effect on those people.
figuring a way to make xbox type controllers "playable" in game could help with that. Most "new" players coming in would more than likely be a "gamer" use to such controls. While a joystick would be a far better option at least if it is playable with a game controller they may stay long enough to get the help they need to get over the tough spots learning the game.
HiTech
While the above ideas may not be the right ones, something must be done. The stats quo isn't going to keep the game going for ever with all the new options available out there. Changing with the times is needed.
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Post by: Max on July 14, 2018, 11:59:53 AM
something must be done. The stats quo isn't going to keep the game going for ever with all the new options available out there. Changing with the times is needed.
Like what? More advertising? Both Steam and (Google, I presume) Internet incursions brought in new faces but few remained. Better graphics? The release of AH3 brought back quite a few of the old vets, but they slowly disappeared.
Not all, but most agree that game play has gone down the toilet for one reason or another. Yet, HTC seems determined to maintain status quo as far as perks, ENY, side switch time restriction, strat locations, GV dar, etc, etc, etc. I sometimes get the feeling that HTC has formulated other revenue streams, which subsidize the game. That makes sense from a financial standpoint and might explain why we're not seeing much in terms of game development, other than VR.
I'm really hoping that Hitech has a box of goodies in the works...time will tell. I've been kicking around the idea of upgrading my monitor and vid card, to the tune of about $700...a fair investment living on a retirement income. I'd be pretty bummed to pull the trigger and see the game disappear.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 14, 2018, 12:04:36 PM
Like what? More advertising? Both Steam and (Google, I presume) Internet incursions brought in new faces but few remained. Better graphics? The release of AH3 brought back quite a few of the old vets, but they slowly disappeared.
Not all, but most agree that game play has gone down the toilet for one reason or another. Yet, HTC seems determined to maintain status quo as far as perks, ENY, side switch time restriction, strat locations, GV dar, etc, etc, etc. I sometimes get the feeling that HTC has formulated other revenue streams, which subsidize the game. That makes sense from a financial standpoint and might explain why we're not seeing much in terms of game development, other than VR.
I'm really hoping that Hitech has a box of goodies in the works...time will tell.
And two sides... :noid :bolt:
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Max on July 14, 2018, 12:08:30 PM
You'll see The Pope riding down Sunset Blvd. naked, on a Harley, before that happens. :devil
*sad trombone*
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Slade on July 14, 2018, 12:38:03 PM
This is usually not an instant gratification game. That is not an error. So short attention spanners cant handle it.
I like that it takes time to setup a sortie. I would of course prefer that when I get to where I saw bad guys when I took off that there are ample enough numbers in the game where they are still present when I arrive at the target.
Awesome game!
EDIT: Unless you up from a highly capped field! Instance death usually. Not my preference.
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Post by: The Fugitive on July 14, 2018, 02:06:57 PM
Like what? More advertising? Both Steam and (Google, I presume) Internet incursions brought in new faces but few remained. Better graphics? The release of AH3 brought back quite a few of the old vets, but they slowly disappeared.
Not all, but most agree that game play has gone down the toilet for one reason or another. Yet, HTC seems determined to maintain status quo as far as perks, ENY, side switch time restriction, strat locations, GV dar, etc, etc, etc. I sometimes get the feeling that HTC has formulated other revenue streams, which subsidize the game. That makes sense from a financial standpoint and might explain why we're not seeing much in terms of game development, other than VR.
I'm really hoping that Hitech has a box of goodies in the works...time will tell. I've been kicking around the idea of upgrading my monitor and vid card, to the tune of about $700...a fair investment living on a retirement income. I'd be pretty bummed to pull the trigger and see the game disappear.
The problem with the Steam deal was HTC wasnt ready for it. I dont think they thought they were going to get much interest from that front and didnt bother to "gear up" for it. The VR controls werent ready, they didnt have the auto load videos for the newbies to help walk them through getting started heck they could have asked for volunteers to hang out and welcome the newbies in and answer questions.
Game play has "gone down the toilet" due to players cutting corners as much as they can to "win the war". HTC needs to adjust things to bring the FIGHT to win the war back as the main focus of play.
Get rid of GV dar squares, add a another dar bar to signal a GV in the sector. Give the storch the same range on vehicles whether they are moving or stopped to simulate spotting tracks. That will make the Storch worth flying, and spotting vehicle easier yet we wont have the big old box saying "HERE I AM!". GVs will be used to attack more and it will bring back the tank fights.
Get rid of M3 town resupply. C47, ok, but no more vehicles bringing towns back up before the attackers leave the sector
Use something like the "local" ENY ideas we have seen before. 10 guys in a sector ok, 15, small ENY hit, 20 Big ENY hit. You want to fly your "pony" you cant be in the horde. Spreads fights out. With something like this the 6 hour switch limit would become obsolete.
Bombers get extended down times. If you drop a hanger from a bomber over 10k it says down 10 minutes longer than taking it down any other way. This will bring back the medium alt bomber runs and with them cover to hold off the attacks. Again more opportunities for combat.
None of these "suggestions" MAKE a player change how they play, but most will change how they play. You want to resupply a town instead of defend it? Go ahead, but you'll have to do it in a goon, bring a friend or two for cover. You want the hangers down? Sure, but 6 jabos are only going to get you a 15 minute window. You want more time, bring bombers, and a few friends for cover.
Can these changes be made? I dont know, but these are the things I think they should be looking at. Things that while they dont "take away" options in the sandbox, they make other options look easier/better and so guide the direction the game is to be played.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Max on July 14, 2018, 02:15:55 PM
much like right now in the MA. for the last three hours it has been 70 to 30 with both nits and rooks hitting bish. makes for horrible game play so I logged. one less fighter to have in the are. enjoy fighting town acks and bombing buildings all day. I dare some one to say switch sides
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 14, 2018, 03:12:38 PM
much like right now in the MA. for the last three hours it has been 70 to 30 with both nits and rooks hitting bish. makes for horrible game play so I logged. one less fighter to have in the are. enjoy fighting town acks and bombing buildings all day. I dare some one to say switch sides
We were hitting you because you were 2 fields from winning when enough people noticed it and were on to do something about it. If you don't want us to push back, stop taking our bases. :p
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: flippz on July 14, 2018, 03:34:34 PM
We were hitting you because you were 2 fields from winning when enough people noticed it and were on to do something about it. If you don't want us to push back, stop taking our bases. :p
Wiley.
ok still piss poor game play on a Saturday afternoon. and if I remember correct nits owned about 12%ish of rook bases, weird they try nothing at all to get those back. just the nature of the game now, you are either in the horde or trying to fight horde. plus its the weekend its to be expected. you just have one less person to vulch now in your 190d
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Post by: lunatic1 on July 14, 2018, 03:36:47 PM
much like right now in the MA. for the last three hours it has been 70 to 30 with both nits and rooks hitting bish. makes for horrible game play so I logged. one less fighter to have in the are. enjoy fighting town acks and bombing buildings all day. I dare some one to say switch sides
Like I told you bish only needed 2 nit bases to win the war-that's why we hitting bish so hard.
rooks started taking their bases back from bish rooks didn't own any or enough nit bases to worry us.
tell you something else a lot of people post on 200 how they hate NDIsles map but put up a fight because no one wants to give bases away-usually. oops reminded me just now to make another wish.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Max on July 14, 2018, 03:45:15 PM
much like right now in the MA. for the last three hours it has been 70 to 30 with both nits and rooks hitting bish. makes for horrible game play so I logged. one less fighter to have in the are. enjoy fighting town acks and bombing buildings all day. I dare some one to say switch sides
Like I told you bish only needed 2 nit bases to win the war-that's why we hitting bish so hard.
rooks started taking their bases back from bish rooks didn't own any or enough nit bases to worry us.
tell you something else a lot of people post on 200 how they hate NDIsles map but put up a fight because no one wants to give bases away-usually. oops reminded me just now to make another wish.
Which highlights in a nutshell the problem with a low-number three-country war.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 14, 2018, 03:53:13 PM
ok still piss poor game play on a Saturday afternoon. and if I remember correct nits owned about 12%ish of rook bases, weird they try nothing at all to get those back.
As usual, you weren't looking terribly close. They took them back. But do continue on with your persecution complex. Everybody's against you, the same as the other two sides.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Max on July 14, 2018, 04:04:20 PM
Bish roll bases day in and day out with vastly superior numbers and poor Flippz is upset that Rook and Nits would dare to fight back :devil
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 14, 2018, 04:14:30 PM
Their morning crew did their normal schtick, didn't quite get both sides rolled before enough people woke up and got on to start fighting back. Same old same old.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: flippz on July 14, 2018, 04:49:40 PM
As usual, you weren't looking terribly close. They took them back. But do continue on with your persecution complex. Everybody's against you, the same as the other two sides.
Wiley.
I give a toejam about taking bases or winning the map. I like to fight airplanes. It just sucks when there are actually enough people on to do that it doesn’t happen. But luckily logging off today gave me enough time to get il2 fixed on my computer and I have been furballing with about 14 other planes for the last hour having a ball. So thanks guys
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Post by: 1stpar3 on July 14, 2018, 05:24:49 PM
OK,up front...My terminology may be off a bit...NOT feeling all so swell so read this with an open mind(try to look past little terms and descriptions). This IS AN WW2 simulator, or a Combat simulator that uses WW2 weapons...same deal to me. WW2 was a THREE FRONT WAR for most countries involved, at some point. US had Japan and Germany, Germany had Russia and US(or allies for those nitpickers) Japan had US and French(at some times in indo china). Its hard being on the receiving end of a 2 front assault. So ACES HIGH simulates that historically IMO. Its just part of the HUMAN CONDITION. If not for Russia attacking back against Germany on the Eastern Front, would the Allies have pushed as far as they did on the Western Front? Probably not and the reverse is also true. Difference between History and Aces High...there is no MEET AT BERLIN and stop fighting....in Aces High. Either the Allies or the Russians keep rolling east/west depending on your side of choice. At times its obvious that the intent is NOT TOO WIN the map...its to EXCERT your will on the other SIDE. Thats when all your strats are zeroed and the 4 bases you COULD up from are porked and or camped. Its just the way WE as players are wired,IMO. HOW to fix this issue...I HAVE NO IDEA. Maybe a different type of WIN CONDITIONS other than win the map? One country openly concedes that this PARTICULAR goal isnt in their considerations(for the most part). You cant make EVERYONE happy, and dont expect HTC to accomplish that in programming of a game. In my opinion, the biggest issue of game play..IS the OPEN HOSTILITY shown to folk who are willing to swap sides. They are in all 3 sides and EVERYONE knows them and who they are. It keeps me from doing it. Sure I could play for other sides under an alias..but that leads right into isue of SHADE/SPY accusations. AGAIN, on all 3 sides and we know exactly who. If you want things to improve MAYBE focus on fixing that particular attitude. How to do that...no idea...but thats just my opinion. Its a game...we all love it..so until we start treating the game with the love and respect we say that we have...NOTHING WILL get better :uhoh
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Max on July 14, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
I give a toejam about taking bases or winning the map. I like to fight airplanes. It just sucks when there are actually enough people on to do that it doesn’t happen. But luckily logging off today gave me enough time to get il2 fixed on my computer and I have been furballing with about 14 other planes for the last hour having a ball. So thanks guys
So you have no issues furballing in IL2 but fighting the combined MONSTER HORDE of Nits & Rooks (spread out all over the map - insert giggle here) makes you mad? LOLZ!
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 14, 2018, 06:11:56 PM
He seemed happy enough hanging over our fields and vulching for some reason. Guess he doesn't like anything more than a token defense. It's a common enough attitude in the game.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: flippz on July 14, 2018, 06:25:22 PM
So you have no issues furballing in IL2 but fighting the combined MONSTER HORDE of Nits & Rooks (spread out all over the map - insert giggle here) makes you mad? LOLZ!
Naw it’s pretty even in there with in a few planes OF A TWO SIDED BATTLE so it’s fun.
He seemed happy enough hanging over our fields and vulching for some reason. Guess he doesn't like anything more than a token defense. It's a common enough attitude in the game.
Wiley.
We were attacking you field and at the time of my arrival there were four of you every time. You didn’t seem to mind picking me in two fights and vulching me on the runway and after flying over there from a back base which took about seven minutes only to have to dive into three or four of y’all to get a fight because anything co alt turned and ran it gets tiresome and boring. So I moved to 49 and of course it was the same trash there. If you come in coalt you all scatter like cockroaches until there’s three or four that can just pick at you. So after about four or five attempts there yeah I gave up. You do realize we were fighting at both bases your whole countries with us split right? But again that is what makes that aces high.
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Post by: Wiley on July 14, 2018, 06:27:41 PM
Naw it’s pretty even in there with in a few planes OF A TWO SIDED BATTLE so it’s fun. We were attacking you field and at the time of my arrival there were four of you every time. You didn’t seem to mind picking me in two fights and vulching me on the runway and after flying over there from a back base which took about seven minutes only to have to dive into three or four of y’all to get a fight because anything co alt turned and ran it gets tiresome and boring. So I moved to 49 and of course it was the same trash there. If you come in coalt you all scatter like cockroaches until there’s three or four that can just pick at you. So after about four or five attempts there yeah I gave up. You do realize we were fighting at both bases your whole countries with us split right? But again that is what makes that aces high.
Sounds to me like you'd be a lot happier in a game where it's hobbled down to be fair instead of an open world game where your enemies have the option to do what they want.
WIley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: LilMak on July 14, 2018, 06:40:25 PM
Naw it’s pretty even in there with in a few planes OF A TWO SIDED BATTLE so it’s fun. We were attacking you field and at the time of my arrival there were four of you every time. You didn’t seem to mind picking me in two fights and vulching me on the runway and after flying over there from a back base which took about seven minutes only to have to dive into three or four of y’all to get a fight because anything co alt turned and ran it gets tiresome and boring. So I moved to 49 and of course it was the same trash there. If you come in coalt you all scatter like cockroaches until there’s three or four that can just pick at you. So after about four or five attempts there yeah I gave up. You do realize we were fighting at both bases your whole countries with us split right? But again that is what makes that aces high.
Hate to burst your bubble but you pretty much just described your squad’s SOP to a tee. I really feel like you don’t fit in with that crew. You’re the only one that will fight every time Flippz. For that you have my respect.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 14, 2018, 07:11:25 PM
I give a toejam about taking bases or winning the map. I like to fight airplanes. It just sucks when there are actually enough people on to do that it doesn’t happen. But luckily logging off today gave me enough time to get il2 fixed on my computer and I have been furballing with about 14 other planes for the last hour having a ball. So thanks guys
Nice job in FSO.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Shuffler on July 14, 2018, 11:04:30 PM
Other games are cheaper. Except giants like wow. It's not for no reason lol Dota and fortnight are so popular. They are free. And than you have a bunch of indi games which cost 5 bucks at a steam sale. Only the AAA games make there costumers pay 60 bucks and than the optional loot boxes which you can buy.
Here we need to have a great pc. A joystick. Preferably a track ir and a sub of 15 bucks a month. It's not a cheap game in no sence of the way. 15 bucks is to much if you can play a free (or a 1 time fee)game jnstead.
Not one game is anything like Aces High III. Those games you call "cheap" really are, I agree. They just are not worth the price or the time. AH III hardly requires a "great" PC .
The games that are free.... you are what is being sold.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: TWCAxew on July 15, 2018, 05:37:04 AM
Not one game is anything like Aces High III. Those games you call "cheap" really are, I agree. They just are not worth the price or the time. AH III hardly requires a "great" PC .
The games that are free.... you are what is being sold.
I just didn't want to bring up our direct competition. I don't think that's classy and aces high doesn't need it. But yes more games are released every half year which are cheaper and do the same stuff and maybe better. Except from the mmo standpoint which I think is what makes AH great.
Who is to say what's worth anybody's time or price. I know AH for me is worth the price. However every friend in the last 10 years I tried to introduce to the game. Said: " well no thank you. It's not worth 15 bucks a month."
And it's not only me saying this. The other week friends in-game came to me. "Dude have you seen that new game? It looks great and I think I am gonna buy it." They don't care about the forum, they will just leave and find a new home.
I am really sorry but this is what the reality really looks like. Everyone can say that I am wrong, but players are leaving over it. And I hate to see my home dying. My old squad once left the game for another and it kinda broke my heart. And I'll be dammed that I will let this happen again over some silly ignorance in our community.
I don't like to say this at all but it's a fact AH is getting behind the compatition and it's expensive.
DutchVII
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 15, 2018, 08:41:50 AM
Perhaps a FIND A FIGHT option on the clipboard that will take everyone to opposing bases and generate action. You won’t launch until someone else clicks it, too. Sorta like Match without the air start. .
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: flippz on July 15, 2018, 10:06:56 AM
Hate to burst your bubble but you pretty much just described your squad’s SOP to a tee. I really feel like you don’t fit in with that crew. You’re the only one that will fight every time Flippz. For that you have my respect.
thanks man. wish more would fight. think score and embarrassment keep a lot from actually fighting. had to switch to nit last night to get a fight after chasing the same plane through his ack 5 times even when on merge he had alt advantage twice. like varicu said its either the whole country or you are left twiddling you thumbs. I don't want to get into the squad thing on this thread (keep it focused for two country war).
I just didn't want to bring up our direct competition. I don't think that's classy and aces high doesn't need it. But yes more games are released every half year which are cheaper and do the same stuff and maybe better. Except from the mmo standpoint which I think is what makes AH great.
So they are not like AH III.
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Who is to say what's worth anybody's time or price. I know AH for me is worth the price. However every friend in the last 10 years I tried to introduce to the game. Said: " well no thank you. It's not worth 15 bucks a month."
They sit at home and twiddle their thumbs, almost freely if the electricity is off and they own the place. Then only taxes.... and food, water..... but is it worth it?
:aok
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: TWCAxew on July 15, 2018, 11:12:44 AM
So they are not like AH III. They sit at home and twiddle their thumbs, almost freely if the electricity is off and they own the place. Then only taxes.... and food, water..... but is it worth it?
:aok
Nice, belittle my observations. Whatever gets us more players here I support it... :aok
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 15, 2018, 12:31:11 PM
The best way to defeat a giant horde is to get a really high Temp or 262 and go buzz a few of the hoarders. Works great. Gets them all to separate a bit. Then your frendlies can roll from the base or at least have a chance to defend.
Just play your own game and don't worry about everyone else. I switch all the time to find the best action. Don't worry about other people. Do what you want to do.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: JunkyII on July 15, 2018, 03:22:38 PM
Yea Flippz like Lil Mak said...you really are complaining about the things I used to give your squad a ton of crap for....your squad was in furball lake in DA ganging me one night, next day I saw Puller and Sawzaw complain about gangbangs...the hypocrisy is more annoying then the actual acts.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: puller on July 15, 2018, 03:57:44 PM
And your shade is?????
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: JunkyII on July 15, 2018, 04:32:20 PM
Nice, belittle my observations. Whatever gets us more players here I support it... :aok
Not attacking you or belittling you at all. Please do not take it that way. Just trying to get you to think it through a bit more. Those you speak of, while they would be more head count, would it actually be good.
I live real life paying in so lazy people don't have to work. Would hate to see the game fall to that.
:salute
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 15, 2018, 05:06:46 PM
So they are not like AH III. They sit at home and twiddle their thumbs, almost freely if the electricity is off and they own the place. Then only taxes.... and food, water..... but is it worth it?
I'll be flying my normal account, I haven't played in months...dont need a shade account to get under your skin...
FIRST, this IS NOT to lay blame or point fingers....That being said, this sort of BS has really reached a TOXIC LEVEL in game. Whether you believe it or not, or just write it off..Personally I see it this way and cant argue with anyone else's perceptions, as its not my job to make you see things MY WAY. Most PLAYERS dont come to these forums...so maybe we could leave all this"You do this"...."Only because you do this"...."your opinion is Bull"..."Dont tell me how to play, its MT 15 bucks" ON THE FORUMS. Yes sure,DETUNE 200 or grow up...SEE IT ALL THE TIME. Would you invite someone into your house to look around and visit, WITHOUT straightening up some before hand? I wouldnt, I dont even do THAT with familly. It would embarrass me as I am not a slob. This game is great, but it isnt for everyone,TRUE. All I am saying is, its up to the PLAYERS to spruce up the interior a bit. Put stuff in the closet (forums) and dont leave the trash out for all visitors to look at. You invite me to your home and it look unkempt....dont care what you are cooking for dinner, I aint eating there...free or not :uhoh
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: TWCAxew on July 15, 2018, 05:10:06 PM
Not attacking you or belittling you at all. Please do not take it that way. Just trying to get you to think it through a bit more. Those you speak of, while they would be more head count, would it actually be good.
I live real life paying in so lazy people don't have to work. Would hate to see the game fall to that.
:salute
Than I have misunderstood your last paragraph :cheers: :salute
DutchVII
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: flippz on July 15, 2018, 09:42:47 PM
Yea Flippz like Lil Mak said...you really are complaining about the things I used to give your squad a ton of crap for....your squad was in furball lake in DA ganging me one night, next day I saw Puller and Sawzaw complain about gangbangs...the hypocrisy is more annoying then the actual acts.
Not getting into a finger pointing argument with you. When we wind up in the same forum it always gets locked. Congrats on the job going well.
I just think the three country war isn’t working. Some do I guess. But I watched the bish numbers go from the high 40s to 26 Sunday afternoon after the second day of continuous hoarding on both fronts. It’s not a whine that the bish ain’t gonna win it’s a point that it gets draining fighting 3v1 every time you up. And most quit upping after numbers get like that. But not my business. I’m done with it.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 15, 2018, 10:23:54 PM
It’s not a whine that the bish ain’t gonna win it’s a point that it gets draining fighting 3v1 every time you up. And most quit upping after numbers get like that. But not my business. I’m done with it.
I will attempt to explain why this statement is bluntly put, really really funny.
You are complaining about the exact situation the other two sides find themselves in constantly. For whatever reason, this weekend the Nits decided it was a good idea to start moving mud. The Rooks decided to get uncharacteristically aggressive too. The way maps generally tend to be taken is, a side will work on one opponent until they've got enough bases then switch the majority of their forces to the other. That is how maps are generally won.
And from what I've seen, when the other two sides are occupied against each other, the Bish will attempt to push a front. If they meet resistance, they switch to the other. Thereby double-teaming one of the other sides.
Now for some reason the Nits decided to push the bish back so they had way more bases than they needed. Partly due to the amount of squeaking I'd imagine, partly to do with the fact that when the Bish decide to push a front, they do it quickly and the Nits wanted a buffer.
But you guys spent a good deal of time with a completely inactive front with the Nits while we worked on the Rooks, and were in fact attacking the Rooks for whatever reason. This happened several times over the course of the weekend.
You were effectively helping us double-team the Rooks. I am guessing maybe because whoever generally leads the Bish horde wanted the map to roll, or something. And oddly, very little whining occurred from the Rooks while this was taking place. Perhaps because they're used to it, as are the Nits, the only difference being the Nits were pushing harder this weekend.
To the other two sides, this was standard play. It happens all the time, and it's generally relatively rare they log en masse over it.
tl:dr, you're essentially saying "But it's no fun when the other guys do what we do 95% of the time!" Which makes sympathy a touch difficult.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: MWL on July 15, 2018, 11:19:39 PM
Greetings,
I don't fly very often, however I maintain my subscription, so the following comment is not me looking for a hand out. Maybe, just maybe, the target audience should be bringing back former members to see the new additions. While it is easy for me to give away Hitech's money, perhaps a second 2 week period to previous members might bring some of 'em back.
Regards,
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: JunkyII on July 16, 2018, 01:20:28 AM
FIRST, this IS NOT to lay blame or point fingers....That being said, this sort of BS has really reached a TOXIC LEVEL in game. Whether you believe it or not, or just write it off..Personally I see it this way and cant argue with anyone else's perceptions, as its not my job to make you see things MY WAY. Most PLAYERS dont come to these forums...so maybe we could leave all this"You do this"...."Only because you do this"...."your opinion is Bull"..."Dont tell me how to play, its MT 15 bucks" ON THE FORUMS. Yes sure,DETUNE 200 or grow up...SEE IT ALL THE TIME. Would you invite someone into your house to look around and visit, WITHOUT straightening up some before hand? I wouldnt, I dont even do THAT with familly. It would embarrass me as I am not a slob. This game is great, but it isnt for everyone,TRUE. All I am saying is, its up to the PLAYERS to spruce up the interior a bit. Put stuff in the closet (forums) and dont leave the trash out for all visitors to look at. You invite me to your home and it look unkempt....dont care what you are cooking for dinner, I aint eating there...free or not :uhoh
You don't know much about the gaming community if you think they care about people talking crap to one another....go check out Reddit for any other game then look in the comments.
Gamers are more the type to leave if you say you are making chicken tacos and they show up to find spaghetti...aka a combat simulator where you fight town buildings.
Edit: Personally my stance is HTC should force players to have to fight one another even if half you suckers don't like it.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: flippz on July 16, 2018, 05:34:05 AM
You don't know much about the gaming community if you think they care about people talking crap to one another....go check out Reddit for any other game then look in the comments.
Gamers are more the type to leave if you say you are making chicken tacos and they show up to find spaghetti...aka a combat simulator where you fight town buildings.
Edit: Personally my stance is HTC should force players to have to fight one another even if half you suckers don't like it.
If you take away fighting ground ack I wouldn’t have anything to fight 1/2 the time. The sissies in here will not fight in here to save there lives unless they have 3v1. You couldn’t force those guys to fight
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Max on July 16, 2018, 06:42:42 AM
If you take away fighting ground ack I wouldn’t have anything to fight 1/2 the time. The sissies in here will not fight in here to save there lives unless they have 3v1. You couldn’t force those guys to fight
Which is it Flippz? Either you're getting ganged or can't find anyone to do battle with. Your grumbling has become deafening. Take a break, go fishing, play the other game or spend time with the family. Seriously bruh, you get too worked up over a game.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: nrshida on July 16, 2018, 07:25:57 AM
I came here for fighter combat after I saw a cockpit section of Mistsubishi Zero up close in a museum and thought what balls to fight in that. Figured there must be a WW2 flight simulator available by now and found Aces High myself.
I flew at the furbal lake and duelled a lot around when The Few and The Muppets were active. I was only interested in ACM by this point. As numbers slowly declined - initially most likely due to the recession & other games with no subscription (no more squeakers for example) - the paradigm slowly shifted in fighting. Especially in the MA it became reduced to a game of who could fly the Dicta Boelcke Rule № 1 flowchart the best.
The dedicated ACM-heads mostly left either through frustration or from initiatives by HTC which seemed focussed on giving more and more alternatives to air combat. New fighter aircraft stopped coming, new tanks came, the 88-mm came :rolleyes: The 12-hour protest saw the ejection of 95% of those remaining that I used to duel with every morning*.
So the high-fidelity flight model-based, edge-of-the-seat, 'all-in' ACM-based dogfights I came to love are now EXTREMELY hard for me to find, especially on my timezone. I'm left with the occasional old-school opponent like Trogdor, Copprhed, and some others, the occasional competitive duel against Blade or Rud3boi in the (now utterly ruined) Match Play Arena, or literally giving small gangs my 6 and trying to swim out of it. Or trying to hunt down infuriating examples of what's left - like certain unsportsmanlike, infamous Corsair pilots - whom I have to fight with one ACM-hand tied behind my back because I know they'll dive out, run to friendlies, ack, or mama CV at the drop of a hat.
The game has been reduced to one arena, to almost no new players, largely just a bunch of old hands, grinding out the same self-absorbed gameplay day-after-day, with narrowband ACM, but extremely experienced and effective in risk assessment and exploiting every method the MA now offers to save their cartoon lives when the advantage is lost. Then defending their actions by bragging about their indisputably better score and rank.
Asking why, in the name of Satan's flaming underpants, this would be attractive to any new players for free - let alone paying $15 a month for the privilege - might have been a good place to start considering radical gameplay / game-balancing changes. A great and applicable paradigm from Kansei Engineering and Design: if you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing no one. You are condemned to navigate the average wishes of an ever shrinking puddle in the desert.
What boggles my mind personally is why the direction for a game uniquely distinguished by its perfect balance of flight model and simulation versus gameplay has for the last - I dunno - five years has been apparently anti-air combat. It would have been less disingenuous to have changed the title long ago.
*Regarding this issue - around this time the analogy was given that AH was a house, and you don't start bustin in telling the house-owners what to do (I didn't perceive that was the behaviour myself). I remember thinking at the time how unnecessarily confrontational and combative that difference of opinion became. It rather looks by this point that the better analogy is that Aces High was a hotel, and a hotel that doesn't consider the experiential feedback of its regular guests while at the same time unable to compete with the new, cheap or free house-sharing / couch-surfing competition ends up with a lot of closed rooms.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 10:30:05 AM
I came here for fighter combat after I saw a cockpit section of Mistsubishi Zero up close in a museum and thought what balls to fight in that. Figured there must be a WW2 flight simulator available by now and found Aces High myself.
I flew at the furbal lake and duelled a lot around when The Few and The Muppets were active. I was only interested in ACM by this point. As numbers slowly declined - initially most likely due to the recession & other games with no subscription (no more squeakers for example) - the paradigm slowly shifted in fighting. Especially in the MA it became reduced to a game of who could fly the Dicta Boelcke Rule № 1 flowchart the best.
The dedicated ACM-heads mostly left either through frustration or from initiatives by HTC which seemed focussed on giving more and more alternatives to air combat. New fighter aircraft stopped coming, new tanks came, the 88-mm came :rolleyes: The 12-hour protest saw the ejection of 95% of those remaining that I used to duel with every morning*.
So the high-fidelity flight model-based, edge-of-the-seat, 'all-in' ACM-based dogfights I came to love are now EXTREMELY hard for me to find, especially on my timezone. I'm left with the occasional old-school opponent like Trogdor, Copprhed, and some others, the occasional competitive duel against Blade or Rud3boi in the (now utterly ruined) Match Play Arena, or literally giving small gangs my 6 and trying to swim out of it. Or trying to hunt down infuriating examples of what's left - like certain unsportsmanlike, infamous Corsair pilots - whom I have to fight with one ACM-hand tied behind my back because I know they'll dive out, run to friendlies, ack, or mama CV at the drop of a hat.
The game has been reduced to one arena, to almost no new players, largely just a bunch of old hands, grinding out the same self-absorbed gameplay day-after-day, with narrowband ACM, but extremely experienced and effective in risk assessment and exploiting every method the MA now offers to save their cartoon lives when the advantage is lost. Then defending their actions by bragging about their indisputably better score and rank.
Asking why, in the name of Satan's flaming underpants, this would be attractive to any new players for free - let alone paying $15 a month for the privilege - might have been a good place to start considering radical gameplay / game-balancing changes. A great and applicable paradigm from Kansei Engineering and Design: if you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing no one. You are condemned to navigate the average wishes of an ever shrinking puddle in the desert.
What boggles my mind personally is why the direction for a game uniquely distinguished by its perfect balance of flight model and simulation versus gameplay has for the last - I dunno - five years has been apparently anti-air combat. It would have been less disingenuous to have changed the title long ago.
*Regarding this issue - around this time the analogy was given that AH was a house, and you don't start bustin in telling the house-owners what to do (I didn't perceive that was the behaviour myself). I remember thinking at the time how unnecessarily confrontational and combative that difference of opinion became. It rather looks by this point that the better analogy is that Aces High was a hotel, and a hotel that doesn't consider the experiential feedback of its regular guests while at the same time unable to compete with the new, cheap or free house-sharing / couch-surfing competition ends up with a lot of closed rooms.
Lots of truth in this. There’s a tendency to ban, run off, discourage good sticks, and they take a lot of people with them.
You need villains and people who are a challenge to drive competition. They generate fights by their mere presence, something that has collapsed in the last several weeks.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: TWCAxew on July 16, 2018, 10:32:27 AM
Several weeks? Did I miss something?
DutchVII
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 10:34:41 AM
Which is it Flippz? Either you're getting ganged or can't find anyone to do battle with. Your grumbling has become deafening. Take a break, go fishing, play the other game or spend time with the family. Seriously bruh, you get too worked up over a game.
He loves the game and wants it to succeed...You should want that and not tell him to go play the OTHER game...Which, by the way, we have a squad over there too...
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 16, 2018, 10:57:10 AM
He loves the game and wants it to succeed...You should want that and not tell him to go play the OTHER game...Which, by the way, we have a squad over there too...
Are people only allowed to play one game? The MA is what it is. Give people an open world, they're going to do whatever they can to win. Personally that's the thing I like best about this game. The enemy's not constrained other than by physics in how they come at you.
If you want to restrict peoples' options to the point where things are always fair, why have the open world? It removes most of what makes this game different.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Chris79 on July 16, 2018, 11:22:32 AM
Try flying something other then a Spit16, La7, or some other easy mode plane. Up a P39, D40, G14, G6 ect, try slugging it out in a more difficult ride. Personally I get more satisfaction from popping a Tiger or Panther with a JU87G or landing 3 kills in a G14 then racking up the kills in a La7, Spit16 ect. About getting ganged, I rarely observe even activity through out each countries respective fronts, one country is almost certainly getting the brunt. Getting butthurt and switching to one of the countries doing the ganging is certainly not the solution. All that accomplished was raising the ENY on the rook making their situation all the more difficult. In reality, Ah3 for the most part is a bunch of grown men flying pixel ww2 aircraft devolving in the "the lord of the flys" mentality. One country is going to be the poor little fat kid. It also does not hurt to attempt to start a fight. Yesterday I took a set of Ki-67s, went to A5 and deacked the field. I then announced that on country, and amazingly enough a gaggle of knits went over there and a gaggle of bish upped to defend. A 1 hour furball ensued with the knits unwittingly taking the field.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 16, 2018, 11:46:26 AM
Try flying something other then a Spit16, La7, or some other easy mode plane. Up a P39, D40, G14, G6 ect, try slugging it out in a more difficult ride. Personally I get more satisfaction from popping a Tiger or Panther with a JU87G or landing 3 kills in a G14 then racking up the kills in a La7, Spit16 ect. About getting ganged, I rarely observe even activity through out each countries respective fronts, one country is almost certainly getting the brunt. Getting butthurt and switching to one of the countries doing the ganging is certainly not the solution. All that accomplished was raising the ENY on the rook making their situation all the more difficult. In reality, Ah3 for the most part is a bunch of grown men flying pixel ww2 aircraft devolving in the "the lord of the flys" mentality. One country is going to be the poor little fat kid. It also does not hurt to attempt to start a fight. Yesterday I took a set of Ki-67s, went to A5 and deacked the field. I then announced that on country, and amazingly enough a gaggle of knits went over there and a gaggle of bish upped to defend. A 1 hour furball ensued with the knits unwittingly taking the field.
Well put. Great points!
Another thing that seems to happen more and more recently is the complaining banter on country. Someone is always POed about everyone not dropping what they’re doing and joining a one man show on the other side of the map. When those who are sort of working together on a base defense or take don’t respond, the complainer get increasingly mouthy vs organizing a mission and leading an effort to fix the problem.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Mister Fork on July 16, 2018, 11:55:37 AM
Another thing that seems to happen more and more recently is the complaining banter on country. Someone is always POed about everyone not dropping what they’re doing and joining a one man show on the other side of the map. When those who are sort of working together on a base defense or take don’t respond, the complainer get increasingly mouthy vs organizing a mission and leading an effort to fix the problem.
That's what I do - take my SpitV into a gang of LA-7's, Pee-51 Runstangs, and Spit XIV's and they all scratch their head how I constantly turn inside of them...and then I forget I just ran into the chase-the-rabbit-horde of 7 enemy fighters suddenly on my tail all screaming for a piece of me.
A while ago, Hollywood and I ran into a pair of Mustangs - that fight lasted 20 minutes with Hollywood running out of petrol and me out of ammo. In the end, it was Spit crew 1, Runstangs 1. And 20 minutes of pure aerial combat bliss.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 16, 2018, 12:30:20 PM
That's what I do - take my SpitV into a gang of LA-7's, Pee-51 Runstangs, and Spit XIV's and they all scratch their head how I constantly turn inside of them...and then I forget I just ran into the chase-the-rabbit-horde of 7 enemy fighters suddenly on my tail all screaming for a piece of me.
A while ago, Hollywood and I ran into a pair of Mustangs - that fight lasted 20 minutes with Hollywood running out of petrol and me out of ammo. In the end, it was Spit crew 1, Runstangs 1. And 20 minutes of pure aerial combat bliss.
Nothing like a good 1 V 7. :rofl
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: asterix on July 16, 2018, 12:45:54 PM
... The dedicated ACM-heads mostly left either through frustration or from initiatives by HTC which seemed focussed on giving more and more alternatives to air combat. New fighter aircraft stopped coming, new tanks came, the 88-mm came :rolleyes: The 12-hour protest saw the ejection of 95% of those remaining that I used to duel with every morning*.
So the high-fidelity flight model-based, edge-of-the-seat, 'all-in' ACM-based dogfights I came to love are now EXTREMELY hard for me to find, especially on my timezone. I'm left with the occasional old-school opponent like Trogdor, Copprhed, and some others, the occasional competitive duel against Blade or Rud3boi in the (now utterly ruined) Match Play Arena, or literally giving small gangs my 6 and trying to swim out of it. Or trying to hunt down infuriating examples of what's left - like certain unsportsmanlike, infamous Corsair pilots - whom I have to fight with one ACM-hand tied behind my back because I know they'll dive out, run to friendlies, ack, or mama CV at the drop of a hat. ...
The dedicated ACM stuff seems to be a niche thing to begin with IMHO, so why didn`t those dedicated ACM gurus continue to fight against each other? Considering what this game platform can do, I think the ground stuff was a good addition. For some reason different groups of people always try to change the MA to suit their exact needs (expressing thoughts is ok) and if that does not happen they leave (pretty pointless thing to do) although they have all the tools to get the kind of activity they want. Communicate with each other and do something.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 16, 2018, 12:53:44 PM
The dedicated ACM stuff seems to be a niche thing to begin with IMHO, so why didn`t those dedicated ACM gurus continue to fight against each other? Considering what this game platform can do, I think the ground stuff was a good addition. For some reason different groups of people always try to change the MA to suit their exact needs (expressing thoughts is ok) and if that does not happen they leave (pretty pointless thing to do) although they have all the tools to get the kind of activity they want. Communicate with each other and do something.
What I think most of the problem with nrshida's issue is, there's no "official" dueling arena. You could get the gameplay he's looking for with a private arena. However, and I think this is especially true for the duelists, there's no place where their records are kept, or shiny awards given, or a leaderboard, or whatever else they might want to show the pecking order.
I also see shida's point with the Match Play arena not scratching the same itch at all. I think a DA set up more or less like the old one with a fightertown and no F3 mode would get some use. Likely more than the match play arena anyways.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 16, 2018, 01:00:15 PM
You don't know much about the gaming community if you think they care about people talking crap to one another....go check out Reddit for any other game then look in the comments.
Gamers are more the type to leave if you say you are making chicken tacos and they show up to find spaghetti...aka a combat simulator where you fight town buildings.
Edit: Personally my stance is HTC should force players to have to fight one another even if half you suckers don't like it.
We been down this road before,Junkii. As BEFORE, YES GAMERS CAN AND MOST ARE PURE AHOLES. WE have several here....MY POINT IS...why can Aces HIGH not do better about knocking off the CRAP :furious If it runs ONE GUY away from our game,is it not worth knocking of the crap. Not everybody likes being called a cheater 24/7. As in my statement,heard that before..its just gaming or grow up...detune ch200. WHY SHOULD WE NEED TO DO THAT It doesnt matter how many changes AH makes,if the AHOLES keep making the environment crap. Quit blaming all woes on HT...we as a community SHARE SOME OF THE BLAME I personally dont care what other games put up with....might be why I dont participate. This is the game I love and its getting toxic with all the BS. For last few months it has worsened EXPONENTIALLY. We have no way of changing GAME MECHANICS but we CAN clean up the parts we DO have control over.. Seems we as a game have forgotten Rule number??? Whatever...DONT BE A DICK
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 16, 2018, 01:03:50 PM
Another thing that seems to happen more and more recently is the complaining banter on country. Someone is always POed about everyone not dropping what they’re doing and joining a one man show on the other side of the map. When those who are sort of working together on a base defense or take don’t respond, the complainer get increasingly mouthy vs organizing a mission and leading an effort to fix the problem.
:aok I agree...it is getting toxic,IMO. When folk are fighting their own side more than the other 2....its SAD.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 16, 2018, 01:10:02 PM
We been down this road before,Junkii. As BEFORE, YES GAMERS CAN AND MOST ARE PURE AHOLES. WE have several here....MY POINT IS...why can Aces HIGH not do better about knocking off the CRAP :furious If it runs ONE GUY away from our game,is it not worth knocking of the crap. Not everybody likes being called a cheater 24/7. As in my statement,heard that before..its just gaming or grow up...detune ch200. WHY SHOULD WE NEED TO DO THAT It doesnt matter how many changes AH makes,if the AHOLES keep making the environment crap. Quit blaming all woes on HT...we as a community SHARE SOME OF THE BLAME
Tell you what, 1stpar3. Come up with a reliable and practical method of controlling peoples' online behavior. Do not tell anyone else about it, come to me and explain it. Do NOT go to the patent office first, there is no need.
Respectfully, people are going to do what they're going to do, and until you come up with that ability to control online behavior (again do NOT go to the patent office before coming to me) it's not going to accomplish much.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Devil 505 on July 16, 2018, 01:13:44 PM
What I think most of the problem with nrshida's issue is, there's no "official" dueling arena. You could get the gameplay he's looking for with a private arena. However, and I think this is especially true for the duelists, there's no place where their records are kept, or shiny awards given, or a leaderboard, or whatever else they might want to show the pecking order.
I also see shida's point with the Match Play arena not scratching the same itch at all. I think a DA set up more or less like the old one with a fightertown and no F3 mode would get some use. Likely more than the match play arena anyways.
Wiley.
I agree about the shortcomings of Match Play. I'm a furballer, but I hate organized duels. They get stale very quick. There is no element of surprise in the DA like the MA has.
It's like listing to one song from your favorite band on repeat. That's Match Play.
A furball in MA is like going to a concert of your favorite band. You know the band will play songs you like, but you're not sure which ones or when. Even when your favorite song is being played, it still feels fresh. That's what the MA can be.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 01:24:31 PM
Another thing that seems to happen more and more recently is the complaining banter on country. Someone is always POed about everyone not dropping what they’re doing and joining a one man show on the other side of the map. When those who are sort of working together on a base defense or take don’t respond, the complainer get increasingly mouthy vs organizing a mission and leading an effort to fix the problem.
Sounds like HAVEABLAST. :rofl
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 01:27:10 PM
The dedicated ACM stuff seems to be a niche thing to begin with IMHO, so why didn`t those dedicated ACM gurus continue to fight against each other? Considering what this game platform can do, I think the ground stuff was a good addition. For some reason different groups of people always try to change the MA to suit their exact needs (expressing thoughts is ok) and if that does not happen they leave (pretty pointless thing to do) although they have all the tools to get the kind of activity they want. Communicate with each other and do something.
Gee, I don't know, maybe they fly at different times? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 01:30:29 PM
What I think most of the problem with nrshida's issue is, there's no "official" dueling arena. You could get the gameplay he's looking for with a private arena. However, and I think this is especially true for the duelists, there's no place where their records are kept, or shiny awards given, or a leaderboard, or whatever else they might want to show the pecking order.
I also see shida's point with the Match Play arena not scratching the same itch at all. I think a DA set up more or less like the old one with a fightertown and no F3 mode would get some use. Likely more than the match play arena anyways.
Wiley.
I don't like the public score in Match. I went in there the other day to goof off and practice with another guy. It wasn't a duel so my losing 100-22 didn't matter to either of us. But damn if someone didn't start mocking me about it on 200. I will never go in there again without a truly anonymous free account. I don't need that junk.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 16, 2018, 01:32:01 PM
Tell you what, 1stpar3. Come up with a reliable and practical method of controlling peoples' online behavior. Do not tell anyone else about it, come to me and explain it. Do NOT go to the patent office first, there is no need.
Respectfully, people are going to do what they're going to do, and until you come up with that ability to control online behavior (again do NOT go to the patent office before coming to me) it's not going to accomplish much.
Wiley.
Yes, I absolutely understand. Thats how we were designed, I am not God. I dont know how...All I am saying is. Its not all HTs fault that we have issues. I dont want to control online behavior,I am asking for some folk to clean up there own act before pointing fingers. Will anything I do change players minds...DOUBT IT. I am just calling out what I see as another reason folk leave. I dont pay 15 buck a month to be called a POS,or a cheater 24/7,then see those same folk griping about game play. Simple as that,Sir! I am not scraping up that 15 a month to play either. If money was tight,why would I want to stick around for THAT? I know for A FACT, that it has run folk away. Its not always me being called that...I read it every single day on text in game. Just the other day in 3 HOURS...21 claims of"You are A POS"... "Nice Hack", "FN chtr" and so on. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH And before it starts...They were NOT kidding, it was obvious. That is TOXIC as it rubs off on others. Sure some guys can just shrug it off...I do. Not everyone is like me, or you. So AGAIN, I am pointing out, it is not how players are playing the game that has been the only change. Cant change how people play. Just wish we could play the game without all the Toxic crap going on in the background.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 01:34:26 PM
Tell you what, 1stpar3. Come up with a reliable and practical method of controlling peoples' online behavior. Do not tell anyone else about it, come to me and explain it. Do NOT go to the patent office first, there is no need.
Respectfully, people are going to do what they're going to do, and until you come up with that ability to control online behavior (again do NOT go to the patent office before coming to me) it's not going to accomplish much.
Wiley.
People are getting the boot for NOT doing anything wrong. It's bizarre.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 01:35:43 PM
I agree about the shortcomings of Match Play. I'm a furballer, but I hate organized duels. They get stale very quick. There is no element of surprise in the DA like the MA has.
It's like listing to one song from your favorite band on repeat. That's Match Play.
A furball in MA is like going to a concert of your favorite band. You know the band will play songs you like, but you're not sure which ones or when. Even when your favorite song is being played, it still feels fresh. That's what the MA can be.
Bring back 8-player. That's why I joined this game. It made me want to subscribe.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 16, 2018, 01:39:07 PM
I don't like the public score in Match. I went in there the other day to goof off and practice with another guy. It wasn't a duel so my losing 100-22 didn't matter to either of us. But damn if someone didn't start mocking me about it on 200. I will never go in there again without a truly anonymous free account. I don't need that junk.
Yeah but that's got to do with the way you conduct yourself. You make yourself a target, so they'll use whatever they can when you start getting involved in 200.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 01:50:38 PM
Yeah but that's got to do with the way you conduct yourself. You make yourself a target, so they'll use whatever they can when you start getting involved in 200.
Wiley.
Why even tune 200 if that’s where the majority of trash talk comes from? Several less garbage polluted ways to communicate.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 01:52:57 PM
Yeah but that's got to do with the way you conduct yourself. You make yourself a target, so they'll use whatever they can when you start getting involved in 200.
Wiley.
Yeah, uh, no.
I "conduct myself" to have fun. Simple.
I will completely mind my own business and have people attack me out of the blue, unprovoked. I am not entirely surprised as this happened from day one in here. It's an odd aspect of the player base I never saw in WB.
Besides, we don't justify bad behavior with other (alleged) bad behavior. The fact you even remotely condone or excuse this speaks volumes.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 01:54:56 PM
Why even tune 200 if that’s where the majority of trash talk comes from? Several less garbage polluted ways to communicate.
I'm to that point. Sadly, I will miss out on the good natured banter I have with my friends on other countries (Max, OBX, Zaza, etc.). We enjoy teasing each other. Makes the game fun. Unfortunately, some aren't in on the joke and start slinging mud at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 16, 2018, 02:07:38 PM
I'm to that point. Sadly, I will miss out on the good natured banter I have with my friends on other countries (Max, OBX, Zaza, etc.). We enjoy teasing each other. Makes the game fun. Unfortunately, some aren't in on the joke and start slinging mud at the drop of a hat.
Which was the point I was trying to make. It has gotten worse, much worse. That in my opinion is TOXIC. Detuning 200 doesn't stop anything, but your ability to razz friends on other sides. We as a community shouldnt have to tell new players that they will be better off,turning off ch200 FIRST THING. But we do...
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 02:24:19 PM
Please explain in detail where I said I condoned it.
This. This right here is why you get attacked. I've seen how you are on 200 Vraciu, you seem to enjoy inciting to condemn. Whatever floats your boat.
Wiley.
You justified the bad behavior. You did not condemn it. That's condoning by omission at the least. You directly excused it. And then a swipe to top it off. This is exactly the problem.
SMH.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 16, 2018, 02:24:52 PM
Which was the point I was trying to make. It has gotten worse, much worse. That in my opinion is TOXIC. Detuning 200 doesn't stop anything, but your ability to razz friends on other sides. We as a community shouldnt have to tell new players that they will be better off,turning off ch200 FIRST THING. But we do...
Agreed.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 16, 2018, 02:26:53 PM
Yup. Keep banging that victim drum. People who haven't been around you for that long will believe it for a little while.
Wiley.
You need to come up with a different metaphor. That one is threadbare.
People who have been around awhile know the facts. I was attacked mercilessly by the "in crowd" and decided to finally start giving some of it back to them. As usual, the referees conveniently miss or ignore the people who started it. Color me unsurprised.
I enjoy myself on 200. Most people get it.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: bustr on July 16, 2018, 02:54:01 PM
Sixteen years of first ch1 then ch200, both have been exactly the toxic same since I started in 2002. I see today exactly the same garbage I read on ch1 the first day I ever popped into a tower. I've been in all three countries for a minimum of 1-3 years at a time. Same garbage on ch1\ch200 and on range. This is a predominantly a male 8th grade locker room culture becasue it's all anonymous. So 13-65 year old males who know nothing can happen to them, act out who they really wish they could be in public in their real lives. Unless you know this is AH3, it dejavu's 4chan day in and day out.
This very conversation has happened on schedule every year either during the summer doldrums or around Nov-Dec during the holidays. Everyone knows someone who has quit becasue of the toxic culture and everyone with an opinion in the conversation is a paragon of virtue in the game. Just ask them....the only real world christian minister who played our game quit before the end of AH2. The forum tried to lynch mob him for being a minister because he had a predictable principled stance to his comments. Even when he was asked for his professional opinion on a subject.
You want this game, then ignore ch200 and PM's. Half of our community needs them becasue assaulting others anonymously and screaming about what ever is insulting their sense of propriety is half of what they play any game for. Most games have their own versions of these people filling the ranks. Welcome to the real world. It's full of differently wired humans and anonymous avatar games attracts the worst becasue it's free shots at other people with no accountability. Yes some people are very thin skinned and can't ignore them so they quit. Just like in the real world you know people who can't take a joke or, protect themselves from being offended by having a conduct bar so high, very few people can ever be in their company.
The way this game is played has not changed since 2002 and it's been constantly whined about in exactly the same ways with exactly the same dialogues. To me the funny part is the actors have changed but the lines they think are so unique and special to them are verbatim what their predecessors kvetched here in the forums like dejavu. You cannot change human nature in games. You can experiment with the venue to find ways to keep their idle kvetching hands busy instead of pouring that energy into abusing other customers.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: nrshida on July 16, 2018, 02:58:11 PM
so why didn`t those dedicated ACM gurus continue to fight against each other?
They did, also. They influenced a sustainable percentage to follow their approach until a tipping point was reached. My overarching point is that the overall value of them was that their philosophy and activity added balance to the game which is now absent.
What I think most of the problem with nrshida's issue is, there's no "official" dueling arena. You could get the gameplay he's looking for with a private arena.
Respectfully no that isn't it. It's not just an arena that was needed it's that a broader spectrum of players and activities and the culture needed balance. I'm not asking that the game be adjusted or modified to support my preferred gameplay (as indeed someone said I have also observed some do). I'm suggesting that that facet ought to ALSO have been supported / listened to / encouraged / grown with adjustments to the gameplay as a vital and necessary part of Aces High.
For example. When times were hard I used to fly low offshore an enemy base and goad fighters into attacking me while -e. If you killed one he'd come back and bring more with him. Could make a decent living getting fights like that. Then the 88-mm came. Now I'd fly for 20 minutes playing ACM with a sequence of airburst shells, fired by a player from a position of total safety, with his feet up on his desk and a soda in his other hand while I performed like one of those metal ducks at a shooting gallery. Does that sound like a reasonable interchange of gameplay when I put it like that?
The Match Play Arena Mark I was better than the old DA IMHO to get quick 1-on-1s. A competition with prizes was announced and the terrain changed to flat and bland with every airspawn at 10k. The original Mark I MPA used random heights and location all over the old DA, varied & interesting terrain, varied fights. The competitions did not come. The new boring (and faulty) MPA Mark II remains. I reported the persistant bugs a month ago. They also remain.
My experiences / frustrations are in accord with the OP who tabs out through inactivity. Even if those feedbacks are totally irrelevant to you or your present gaming experience, consider the game from the perspective of a new player - pretend you don't know anything. Would it be worth $15 a month? Would it even be worth more than 30 minutes of your time?
Fess and I fly on the same Timezone. Do you think our frustrations are limited to dogfighting or not coming your way? You poor bastards.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: bustr on July 16, 2018, 03:39:38 PM
This perspective by Nir is worth discussing, still, in the end it's what Hitech thinks, and will or won't do. No one in this audience can do anything for Fess's or Nir's time zone issues. For new players, that is a conversation of it's own.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: molybdenum on July 16, 2018, 08:39:28 PM
You are complaining about the exact situation the other two sides find themselves in constantly. For whatever reason, this weekend the Nits decided it was a good idea to start moving mud. The Rooks decided to get uncharacteristically aggressive too. The way maps generally tend to be taken is, a side will work on one opponent until they've got enough bases then switch the majority of their forces to the other. That is how maps are generally won.
And from what I've seen, when the other two sides are occupied against each other, the Bish will attempt to push a front. If they meet resistance, they switch to the other. Thereby double-teaming one of the other sides.
Now for some reason the Nits decided to push the bish back so they had way more bases than they needed. Partly due to the amount of squeaking I'd imagine, partly to do with the fact that when the Bish decide to push a front, they do it quickly and the Nits wanted a buffer.
But you guys spent a good deal of time with a completely inactive front with the Nits while we worked on the Rooks, and were in fact attacking the Rooks for whatever reason. This happened several times over the course of the weekend.
You were effectively helping us double-team the Rooks. I am guessing maybe because whoever generally leads the Bish horde wanted the map to roll, or something. And oddly, very little whining occurred from the Rooks while this was taking place. Perhaps because they're used to it, as are the Nits, the only difference being the Nits were pushing harder this weekend.
Wiley.
Very accurate in every particular. It was very frustrating for me (a "win the map" guy) to see the bish stop trying to take nit bases when nit resistance made it a challenge and turn on the rooks instead, who were, until that point, fending off the nit onslaught with some measure of success. So the bish achieved Pyrrhic victories vs rooks and basically let the nits win. It made some bish feel better that they were finally taking bases when they'd been reduced to ~50% of their own; and after an initial success or two, the 2xteam vs rooks was in full force. It's human nature to pursue short term success vs long term results. I emphatically agree with HT that switching from 3 sides to 2 won't work, but this flaw in human nature can perhaps be used for the greater good of the game? Would upping the perk point reward for a win from 25 to 75 make a difference? Make it more rewarding to actually fight a worthy foe instead of beat up on an already beaten-down team? (I'm not sure that it would, but I unfortunately don't have a better idea to offer).
PS--GV dar is poo, btw.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 16, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
Very accurate in every particular. It was very frustrating for me (a "win the map" guy) to see the bish stop trying to take nit bases when nit resistance made it a challenge and turn on the rooks instead, who were, until that point, fending off the nit onslaught with some measure of success. So the bish achieved Pyrrhic victories vs rooks and basically let the nits win. It made some bish feel better that they were finally taking bases when they'd been reduced to ~50% of their own; and after an initial success or two, the 2xteam vs rooks was in full force. It's human nature to pursue short term success vs long term results. I emphatically agree with HT that switching from 3 sides to 2 won't work, but this flaw in human nature can perhaps be used for the greater good of the game? Would upping the perk point reward for a win from 25 to 75 make a difference? Make it more rewarding to actually fight a worthy foe instead of beat up on an already beaten-down team? (I'm not sure that it would, but I unfortunately don't have a better idea to offer).
PS--GV dar is poo, btw.
Im sure there are a number of things that COULD be done to guide play.
Once your team has 30% of another team they can no longer get bases from that team. It would force the team to switch to the other front. This takes away the "hammering a team to nothing" attitude, brings the fight to the other team so they have someone to fight, breaks the mentality of "going for the easy bases".
Local ENY. Its been suggested before. How hard could it be to implement? They already pull the "local" numbers to get the dar bar. It would cut back on the hordes of uber rides, spread out the fronts for those that MUST have their uber ride and so create more points of combat.
I understand the idea of an open sandbox, but if you dont want the kids digging big holes, dont give them big shovels!. Human nature has twisted the game, adjustments in code can guide gameplay back to a level where more people are happy to play.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 16, 2018, 11:47:12 PM
Im sure there are a number of things that COULD be done to guide play.
Once your team has 30% of another team they can no longer get bases from that team. It would force the team to switch to the other front. This takes away the "hammering a team to nothing" attitude, brings the fight to the other team so they have someone to fight, breaks the mentality of "going for the easy bases".
Local ENY. Its been suggested before. How hard could it be to implement? They already pull the "local" numbers to get the dar bar. It would cut back on the hordes of uber rides, spread out the fronts for those that MUST have their uber ride and so create more points of combat.
I understand the idea of an open sandbox, but if you dont want the kids digging big holes, dont give them big shovels!. Human nature has twisted the game, adjustments in code can guide gameplay back to a level where more people are happy to play.
Your first idea... :aok I could go with that! It would also stop the logging out of frustration(well for those that it bothers). Sure couldnt hurt to try it for a tour or so. Second Idea...that too would work but seems that could be a pain to code.. I have one as well....What IF ENY was attached to Down times, or maybe "Auto gun" lethality? That could go along way in stopping the steam roll against the underdog...maybe. This would stop the "I cant fly my plane" as well. Not saying make aaa a sniper thing, just adjusted as a stop gap measure. With maybe downtimes too...would ease the pain from having every thing porked,if you are the under dog.Would definitely keep the porkers in the air long enough to get a defender or 2 into the fight? Again...how hard would that be, NO IDEA. Just dislike any one of us getting so frustrated that they leave. Well, without trying to help anyway...it wont please every body but like the GV dar...it was a trial...and worked...implemented.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Shuffler on July 17, 2018, 05:16:40 AM
If the idea was to make a fight, it could be done. When numbers are low simply make certain bases on the front capturable during a time span. This will change to other bases after a certain amount of time. This would funnel folks into an area to fight.
Now that creates another issue. There are those who do not wish to fight and only wish to capture/sneak undefended bases.
At one point it seems you have to decide which way do you want the game to go. Which way adds to the game?
I have been away so long I just want to get my gear back out of storage and set up. I hope there are those still willing to fight my old rusty P 38. I should be more like a noob after almost a year off. Not that I didn't spread more than my share of 38 parts to begin with.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Oldman731 on July 17, 2018, 07:08:25 AM
Now that creates another issue. There are those who do not wish to fight and only wish to capture/sneak undefended bases.
At one point it seems you have to decide which way do you want the game to go. Which way adds to the game?
AH always has had that tension. It's AW predecessor offered no rewards for winning territory (don't know about WB), so there was little incentive to do so. In this game (or sim...another argument) we've enjoyed the benefit of an increased player base, resulting from attracting the war-winning crowd. I've never been part of that sport, so I offer no wisdom on whether things are better or worse than before. The increase in the GV players could well be caused by the technological improvements of that side of the game. The few tanks here in 2001 were pretty basic. More important, the younger players we have now weren't brought up in WWII aviation lore the way we geezers were.
- oldman
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 17, 2018, 08:01:51 AM
AH always has had that tension. It's AW predecessor offered no rewards for winning territory (don't know about WB), so there was little incentive to do so. In this game (or sim...another argument) we've enjoyed the benefit of an increased player base, resulting from attracting the war-winning crowd. I've never been part of that sport, so I offer no wisdom on whether things are better or worse than before. The increase in the GV players could well be caused by the technological improvements of that side of the game. The few tanks here in 2001 were pretty basic. More important, the younger players we have now weren't brought up in WWII aviation lore the way we geezers were.
- oldman
WB had a two-sided war requiring total victory. You could see the fronts moving on the map with the ebb and flow. It was really fun. It was dynamic and generated fights organically.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Zoney on July 17, 2018, 08:13:59 AM
You need to come up with a different metaphor. That one is threadbare.
People who have been around awhile know the facts. I was attacked mercilessly by the "in crowd" and decided to finally start giving some of it back to them. As usual, the referees conveniently miss or ignore the people who started it. Color me unsurprised.
I enjoy myself on 200 at the expense of others. Most people get it.
fixed
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Zoney on July 17, 2018, 08:18:25 AM
I don't like the public score in Match. I went in there the other day to goof off and practice with another guy. It wasn't a duel so my losing 100-22 didn't matter to either of us. But damn if someone didn't start mocking me about it on 200. I will never go in there again without a truly anonymous free account. I don't need that junk.
And here is an example of why you should cool your jets on 200 Vraciu. You didn't like it either. I'm pretty sure you're a good guy mate. Please refer to my personal #1 question when playing. Are you making the game better or worse? There should be no confusion about what that means, if there is, just go back and read this post of your I quoted and remember how that made your game experience worse.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 17, 2018, 09:15:54 AM
And here is an example of why you should cool your jets on 200 Vraciu. You didn't like it either. I'm pretty sure you're a good guy mate. Please refer to my personal #1 question when playing. Are you making the game better or worse? There should be no confusion about what that means, if there is, just go back and read this post of your I quoted and remember how that made your game experience worse.
Nonsense.
Unprovoked attacks are not justified. Those who excuse it are part of the problem. I neither like nor dislike it coming at me. I'm a big boy. I simply said I don't need it and cited it as an example of what's wrong with the Match Play Arena (because it carries over to the Melee).
I conduct myself just fine on 200. I'm to the point I don't even fire back much any more. Don't care. Squelch is my friend.
If you don't like my banter kindly ignore it.
I don't like jerks—nobody does—and 200 is littered with people who are a whole lot better with a keyboard than a trigger. They're bad for the game.
Do they affect my life? Do I really care what they think of me? Not so much. Why would I? But new players trying to learn will not respond well to similar treatment, so this should be addressed. The persistent, publicly-accessible scoring system in that arena is not ideal, IMHO, and I pointed this out soon after it opened. YMMV.
And yes, I am a good guy. It's amazing how soon people forget. Some players you help as noobs gravitate later toward a certain crowd and before you know it they're trashing you on 200 in a misguided attempt to look cool. It's an odd dynamic.
Some take this game WAY too personally.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: TWCAxew on July 17, 2018, 10:23:49 AM
*Snip* I decided I stay out of this.
DutchVII
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 17, 2018, 11:10:49 AM
ACM is a niche activity in a game named Aces High with a famously high-fidelity flight model unrivaled by most other games in the last twenty years?
Dedicated ACM is a niche activity in any online combat flight sim, including this one IMHO. That is why all those changes have been made (88mm, side switch etc), to combat another issue created by larger number of players not looking for a good fight, but looking for a way to exploit something. Dedicated ACM players have always been a small % of total number in my opinion. My opinion is based on my experience with some other online flight sim games, on all those complaints posted in this forum over the years, on what new players do when they join the game. This is why I don`t understand why the furballers left instead of trying to keep their group together and I do not understand the widespread walking out the door mentality in general.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: popeye on July 17, 2018, 02:41:16 PM
I wonder how many people would be playing if all the people who don't play because there aren't enough people playing, were playing. :D
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Post by: pembquist on July 17, 2018, 02:56:50 PM
Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 100Coogn on July 17, 2018, 03:00:29 PM
I wonder how many people would be playing if all the people who don't play because there aren't enough people playing, were playing. :D
(https://i.imgur.com/xa2FVOr.jpg)
Coogan
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: bustr on July 17, 2018, 03:01:49 PM
Do you mean like Friday nights when everyone is warming up for FSO and numbers have reached 200+ in the MA with everyone having a good time. Then some joker asks, where are all these guys the rest of the week if they are having such a good time tonight.....
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Devil 505 on July 17, 2018, 03:18:36 PM
Do you mean like Friday nights when everyone is warming up for FSO and numbers have reached 200+ in the MA with everyone having a good time. Then some joker asks, where are all these guys the rest of the week if they are having such a good time tonight.....
The assumption is that they're having fun in the MA before FSO.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 17, 2018, 03:25:37 PM
Dedicated ACM is a niche activity in any online combat flight sim, including this one IMHO. That is why all those changes have been made (88mm, side switch etc), to combat another issue created by larger number of players not looking for a good fight, but looking for a way to exploit something. Dedicated ACM players have always been a small % of total number in my opinion. My opinion is based on my experience with some other online flight sim games, on all those complaints posted in this forum over the years, on what new players do when they join the game. This is why I don`t understand why the furballers left instead of trying to keep their group together and I do not understand the widespread walking out the door mentality in general.
A good bunch of the "Muppets" left when they over stepped the bounds of respect and HTC came down hard on them. HTC wouldn't bend to the "demands" and so a bunch of them left. The rest of the "furballers" have left over the years due to the fights running low. Between numbers dropping due to the economy, players changing the way they win the war (avoid contact with the "enemy" at all costs), side switch timer, the 88s being added ( why waste a life fighting at a base when we can hide in a gun!), town resupply (why defend a base when its easier to run in supplies, heck you dont even have to bring them all the way in, just get close) more and more players are leaving.
In the old days this was ok as Aces High was pretty much the only WWII game around and players came in to replace those that left. Now a days tho, we are not seeing the same influx of new players that sticking around. Why? Because there are other options today. Some are cheaper, some are much easier to play and get started. If this game doent change with the times I fear we will continue to lose players every month.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: JimmyC on July 17, 2018, 03:46:07 PM
It can be a very ROCKY road
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 17, 2018, 03:57:44 PM
That’s my favorite ice cream, especially with some bitter whine.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Shuffler on July 17, 2018, 04:01:56 PM
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: nrshida on July 17, 2018, 04:12:25 PM
Not particularly picking on your personally Asterix, you seem considered. It's a pertinent (but ultimately pointless) discussion by this point, but I'd edit your post to read like this:-
Dedicated ACM is a niche activity in any online combat flight sim, including this one IMHO. That is why all those changes have been made (88mm, side switch etc), to combat another issue created by larger number of players not looking for a good fight, but looking for a way to circumvent a fight.
I choose that word advisedly. That might sound harsh and elitist however I spent soooooo many hours of hard work, study and countless deaths to acquire the ACM skills I have now. I have learning disabilities and am mostly self-taught. You'll forgive me then for thinking some players lazy and disingenuous to simply bypass all of that with picking, ganging, hording, ack-running, rinsing, repeating. Especially when that's all they do.
I was discussing this this evening with a friend via PM in-game. He suggested a problem is that all kills are 'rewarded' equally. For example last Friday on NDisles I had to fight like the devil for fifteen minutes against a coordinated Ki-43 and A6M, while a C.205, a Ki-61 and a Spit14 took casual swipes at me. After I killed the Ki-43 the Spit14 and Ki-61 left the scene sharpish. After I killed the A6M the C.205, despite having considerable energy & positional advantage, chose to invest that in a headstart on his ack. I landed two kills with lingering helmet fire & without a salute from anyone. Meanwhile, a certain Japanese player, let's call him Mr. Z, landed 9 kills in his P-51B. Anyone who knows him has no illusion how those kills were obtained. Picking people already in a fight (systematically ruining their gameplay - in effect - for his own pleasure) and diving and running more than a sector the moment he sees a remote threat at all.
I met him this evening. He refused an offered 1-on-1 turn fight against my Spit14 in his Bf109F-4 with an energy advantage. Seriously? Flew the Freddy exactly like he flies the Mustang. Diving over 10k to the deck before manoeuvring lazily in his ack hoping I'd follow. I couldn't even catch him in a Spit14. He made the space & broke precisely in the direction of his ack. Must have made a note of the heading.
I caught him once co-alt in a dip on the terrain, him in a Spit9 and me in my Ki-84. As my brother says: 'he couldn't drive a greasy stick up a dog's arse'. God-forbid he actually considers what I could do with a plane, he could do if he learned it. Why bother, the ACM-solving auto-ack is usually only a short run away.
Five years ago or perhaps more he'd have been 'called out' on 200 for selfish of ghey gameplay. FFS The Muppets et al would TEACH you stuff if you showed any interest at all & were prepared to work. Now no one says anything. Including me. The culture which proposed a more reasonable or mutually rewarding interaction has gone. The equitable gameplay in Aces High is gone. The numbers have gone. Come December I'll be gone too.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 17, 2018, 04:19:36 PM
Very AhACKiruish of this person.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: LilMak on July 17, 2018, 04:21:37 PM
Good ice cream and a great example of a player who would avoid a fight at all costs.
It was eluded to earlier in this thread when it was suggested we need to police ourselves...
Ask yourself this while you are doing your thing in game. “If everyone was doing this (whatever it is) all the time, would this game be any fun?”
If the answer is “No” then change your ways.
Perfect examples... If everyone in the arena was sitting in an 88, would this be any fun? No.
If everyone in the arena was supplying towns, would this be any fun? No.
If everyone in the arena ran from a fight every time, would this be any fun? No.
If everyone in the arena attacked undefended territory, would this be any fun? No.
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Post by: JimmyC on July 17, 2018, 06:38:39 PM
Maybe varierty is good.. Not old music hall acts though.. I really like a good dogfight ..not much on cockfights though
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Post by: Biggamer on July 17, 2018, 06:59:16 PM
1hour switch time went to 12 hours squads begged for it to change back to 1 hour AoM and The Few and many others for over a year nothing was done they all walked away
65 foot dot dar. BoP and claim jumpers both massive squads who took bases ask for it to go away they was laughed at until they all walked away
Years of running the jokers and V guys down for the way they played the game pushed most of them out
Then because the 49ers would camp a HQ a change was made and pushed that whole squad out
making changes to stop players from their type of fun dont do any good as you can see above there it just makes them walk and there goes another bunch of numbers.
No new planes or GVs in years while the competitors have something new every few months aint gonna help numbers either
no daily objectives to complete
nothing is done on holidays except we see a pumpkin and sleigh for a few minutes
there is never any info given to the community for anything new being worked on until its live
i could keep going on and on but i dont see point in saying the same things thats been pointed out before the one thing i do know is the competitors out there have what we dont and thats numbers.
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Post by: b4o2s9s on July 17, 2018, 08:05:26 PM
I wonder how many people would be playing if all the people who don't play because there aren't enough people playing, were playing. :D
Welp, can't argue against that logic haha. When it comes to games, I always say inactivity breeds inactivity. The more players that aren't playing, the more that stop playing.
The difference that I find between AH and other games I play is there's usually something to bring players back. For example, in Eve Online (I'm sorry for using this reference often in my posts), I was running an alliance for 3.5 years. An alliance is a formal collection of corps (squads, guilds, whatevers). Activity would get low, so me and my leadership team would put something together, some big event from a huge mining operation or a PVP deployment or something of that nature and spam the crap out of discord, facebook, and the in-game mail system about a week prior to get the guys online. USUALLY after we had a large operation of that kind, the players would have so much fun working together and accomplishing great things that we would see an instant rise in activity for a while. Not to mention offensive operations were ALWAYS met with a lot of PVP opportunities, the game has a lot of players and you really work for what you have.
In AH I really don't see much of that. There's the Special Events that are really great, but as far as main arena squads putting on something like that, it's just not really there. You don't work for what you have, unless you fly perk planes. The squad mechanic is nothing more than a name and a squad chat. You WON'T cause the other team to log on because you decide to fly a big operation for a couple nights.
In short, I'm not sure how to get the players back. There is very little opportunity to generate excitement throughout the entire community. Like I say, Special Events are great, but the normal day-to-day in the main arena is receiving little to no benefit from it I would imagine.
Where is the HTC PR campaign dang it?
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Post by: b4o2s9s on July 17, 2018, 08:22:12 PM
Screw it. I'm subbing for a month, see how it goes. Try to stir up some business :rock
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Post by: The Fugitive on July 17, 2018, 09:15:06 PM
1hour switch time went to 12 hours squads begged for it to change back to 1 hour AoM and The Few and many others for over a year nothing was done they all walked away
65 foot dot dar. BoP and claim jumpers both massive squads who took bases ask for it to go away they was laughed at until they all walked away
Years of running the jokers and V guys down for the way they played the game pushed most of them out
Then because the 49ers would camp a HQ a change was made and pushed that whole squad out
making changes to stop players from their type of fun dont do any good as you can see above there it just makes them walk and there goes another bunch of numbers.
But on the other side of the coin, how many people would have left facing what these players did night after night? Personally I know I logged of mad more often with country dar down than I ever did for any other thing. Hordes running NOE and bailing at the site of resistance was frustrating, but never made me log. I think those things NEEDED to be done. Could there be adjustments? Sure. Dont need the NOE to be near impossible to run, but just a bit more obvious to find. Cut back the hordes a bit and you have fights on two fronts, or at a couple bases along one front.
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No new planes or GVs in years while the competitors have something new every few months aint gonna help numbers either
no daily objectives to complete
nothing is done on holidays except we see a pumpkin and sleigh for a few minutes
there is never any info given to the community for anything new being worked on until its live
i could keep going on and on but i dont see point in saying the same things thats been pointed out before the one thing i do know is the competitors out there have what we dont and thats numbers.
Agreed, HTC can be a bit TOO single minded. While its great for getting accurate stars you can navigate by, it doesnt help when your blinding yourself to other issues that need attention in the game.
New planes/GVs, info on game updates, added "specials, ALL pushed on social media could drive attention and so interest in Aces High.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: b4o2s9s on July 17, 2018, 10:28:51 PM
:aok :aok :aok
That's the hitech like for Fugitive hahaha
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Post by: Vraciu on July 17, 2018, 10:34:44 PM
*heads back to skinning software*
:bolt:
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: rvflyer on July 17, 2018, 11:34:21 PM
I see the advertising issue brought up over and over, so I have to assume Dale is okay with the way things are or he cannot afford to advertise. I don't know the answer but I do know that advertising would bring in new players and some would stay as a lot of us did.
I dont think anyone here want WT! If they did they WOULD GO THERE! :rolleyes:
This game is far more complex which may be one of is down falls as well as one of it greatest assets and so, a much better game than WT. The issues aren't all that dramatic.
1. Balance the GV vs Air a bit better. Right now it favors the GVs too much. Either get rid of a bunch of trees, match the range counters for both enemy and friendly. If the GVs can be spotted again you can get rid of the GV dar.
2. Air to Air, BRING IN MORE PLAYERS! During the steam roll out we had a ton of players coming in and leaving 10 minutes later. AH wasnt ready for it. They added the video tutorials AFTER the rush died down, as well as the VR controls. Now I dont think we have all that many new players dropping in. No advertising, no social media presents, no streaming channels. Nobody knows we are here.
3. Game Play, YES its a big "sand box" and everyone should be able to do which ever style of play they want however, the interaction of player vs player is what this game is about. It is what it thrives on. If not, everyone would be having a blast playing a single player version at home. Game play must be tweaked by rules/conditions/rewards to make it more advantageous to play with/against other players and NOT avoid each other. Dont STOP other types of game play, have those options there for players, just make it so more players look to play together.
Thats it, pretty simple.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 18, 2018, 12:02:10 AM
I see the advertising issue brought up over and over, so I have to assume Dale is okay with the way things are or he cannot afford to advertise. I don't know the answer but I do know that advertising would bring in new players and some would stay as a lot of us did.
Well, look at it this way, advertising does not any make players stay. We are getting a TON of new butts in the seats but 90% leave after ten minutes and never return.
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Post by: 1stpar3 on July 18, 2018, 01:36:14 AM
A good bunch of the "Muppets" left when they over stepped the bounds of respect and HTC came down hard on them. HTC wouldn't bend to the "demands" and so a bunch of them left. The rest of the "furballers" have left over the years due to the fights running low. Between numbers dropping due to the economy, players changing the way they win the war (avoid contact with the "enemy" at all costs), side switch timer, the 88s being added ( why waste a life fighting at a base when we can hide in a gun!), town resupply (why defend a base when its easier to run in supplies, heck you dont even have to bring them all the way in, just get close) more and more players are leaving.
In the old days this was ok as Aces High was pretty much the only WWII game around and players came in to replace those that left. Now a days tho, we are not seeing the same influx of new players that sticking around. Why? Because there are other options today. Some are cheaper, some are much easier to play and get started. If this game doent change with the times I fear we will continue to lose players every month.
And THIS(losing players) is what scares me. I JUST NOW found you guys :rock Have a real hard time blaming the loss on "Fights running low"..but most of you have been here MUCH longer than I have. Cant really argue with their judgement as I dont know what "Back in the day" was like. Reason I have a hard time buying that excuse...free,cheaper,better graphics or the 15 a month....if they ARE playing other games(in this genre) they SURELY dont think it is better than what we have now :uhoh Again, I dont have the luxury of looking at this through the prism of the past...just dont understand their lack of acknowledgement on AH being better. To each their own I guess? Some had "beefs" other have real life issues, or needing expensive upgrades...perfectly understand...but for those who loved this game, who play other games..sure do wish they could put aside there personal issues and AT LEAST check back in to see how it goes now. All we need is NUMBERS to bring this game back,for most folk. Heck, I would pay a years subscription to make this happen(for those who left because of the price). Heck, even for those who just left. This game/community really does mean that much to me! Heck, reach out to older players and ask them what it would take to get them to at least check in...pretty sure they may just realize that they miss this community. I cant work miracles, but I could definitely help out...it is an investment in MY FUN FACTOR! DEAD SERIOUS :salute Really dont want to name names and not looking for kudos... but several folk could attest to commitment I have in investing in game play. EH, if I am wrong..I am not out a single thing...its just money.
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Post by: 1stpar3 on July 18, 2018, 01:39:51 AM
WHAAAAA. MOOSE Tracks any day! Or Strawberry Cheese Cake.....DANG IT.....Ok, busted...I like ANY Ice Cream..and freezer is bare. You bastards!!! :devil
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 18, 2018, 01:50:26 AM
Good ice cream and a great example of a player who would avoid a fight at all costs.
It was eluded to earlier in this thread when it was suggested we need to police ourselves...
Ask yourself this while you are doing your thing in game. “If everyone was doing this (whatever it is) all the time, would this game be any fun?”
If the answer is “No” then change your ways.
Perfect examples... If everyone in the arena was sitting in an 88, would this be any fun? No.
If everyone in the arena was supplying towns, would this be any fun? No.
If everyone in the arena ran from a fight every time, would this be any fun? No.
If everyone in the arena attacked undefended territory, would this be any fun? No.
:rock AMEN, Sir! That was what I was trying to say! WE as a community should be BETTER than the rest! Sure, toxic texts and such exist in most online games..BUT WE ARE ACES HIGH! Why cant we take the HIGH road and just be better in every way! The "Every body does it" defense SHOULD'NT CUT IT WITH US! ONLY YOU can prevent Forrest Fires type thing! We are burning WAY TOO MANY bridges these days, with current mind sets. :uhoh
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Post by: 1stpar3 on July 18, 2018, 01:52:44 AM
Well, look at it this way, advertising does not any make players stay. We are getting a TON of new butts in the seats but 90% leave after ten minutes and never return.
Well a part of the advertisement is to hype up potential players to over step the initial setup boarder. For example when I watch someone I like on twitch play a game and he is having fun. I want to be part of that fun aswell. I am far more inclined to put more effort into learning the game. And with a steep learning curve like we have here, I would say this is the most important goal of the advertisement.
Here it's more about hyping them up.
Maybe we could put up streams of players up on the steam page. For example there was a streamer who did fly the f4f with a friend and they had ALOT of fun.(I don't think he played slots of AH tough) I will look for it later today.
DutchVII
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Post by: Biggamer on July 18, 2018, 10:19:08 AM
Advertising aint gonna help that much without fixing some other things first.
more then one way to capture a field such as a capture the flag for the ground guys and capture the air space for the A2A guys this could cause a massive amout of planes/tank in one area trying to fight for the same thing just a thought
Daily missions to complete for all aspects of the game bombers fighters and GVs
needs to be a way for faster action no answer here ive ponder it and only thing i can think of is bases 6-10k apart
there needs to be a step by step guide on how to setup the game and controls maybe there is but where i dont see it
there needs to be a tutorial to complete as soon as you step into the game such as a take off and landing also how to select ords and use them for GV just the basic controls and for bombers how to calibrate and hit the target
perks need to be earned faster a new player stand little chance of survive and dont wanna spend a month to try and up a 262 and crash it taking off thats a big turn off
ENY needs something done with it taking content away from players aint the right thing to do theres gotta be a better way
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Post by: Vraciu on July 18, 2018, 10:21:45 AM
Advertising aint gonna help that much without fixing some other things first.
more then one way to capture a field such as a capture the flag for the ground guys and capture the air space for the A2A guys this could cause a massive amout of planes/tank in one area trying to fight for the same thing just a thought
Daily missions to complete for all aspects of the game bombers fighters and GVs
needs to be a way for faster action no answer here ive ponder it and only thing i can think of is bases 6-10k apart
there needs to be a step by step guide on how to setup the game and controls maybe there is but where i dont see it
there needs to be a tutorial to complete as soon as you step into the game such as a take off and landing also how to select ords and use them for GV just the basic controls and for bombers how to calibrate and hit the target
perks need to be earned faster a new player stand little chance of survive and dont wanna spend a month to try and up a 262 and crash it taking off thats a big turn off
ENY needs something done with it taking content away from players aint the right thing to do theres gotta be a better way
This.
I don’t know if reduced fuel or ammo would be it. But yeah....
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Post by: hitech on July 18, 2018, 11:07:43 AM
I see the advertising issue brought up over and over, so I have to assume Dale is okay with the way things are or he cannot afford to advertise. I don't know the answer but I do know that advertising would bring in new players and some would stay as a lot of us did.
At what cost per user.We have advertised substantially in the past year, so far all attempts the ROI was not sustainable.
HiTech
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Post by: LilMak on July 18, 2018, 11:13:22 AM
I’ve said for quite some time that ENY should trigger the use of perks not limit plane selection. Want to fly tha LA-7 in the horde? Sure thing. That’ll be 20 perks.
I’ve also said that heavy ord (1k or larger) for fighter aircraft should be perked as well. Wanna load up the Jug with the big bombs? That’ll be 1 perk each. And, once you drop them, those perks are gone whether you land or not.
More fun stuff can be done with perks that would drive game play but not eliminate anything from your hangar. Think HT could charge for them too. You’re a noob and don’t have any perks? You just gotta fly that 262? Click here to charge $3 to your Visa for 1000 perks.
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Post by: Shuffler on July 18, 2018, 11:27:22 AM
I’ve said for quite some time that ENY should trigger the use of perks not limit plane selection. Want to fly tha LA-7 in the horde? Sure thing. That’ll be 20 perks.
I’ve also said that heavy ord (1k or larger) for fighter aircraft should be perked as well. Wanna load up the Jug with the big bombs? That’ll be 1 perk each. And, once you drop them, those perks are gone whether you land or not.
More fun stuff can be done with perks that would drive game play but not eliminate anything from your hangar. Think HT could charge for them too. You’re a noob and don’t have any perks? You just gotta fly that 262? Click here to charge $3 to your Visa for 1000 perks.
You are assuming that people who need the parked planes will have perks. I believe the opposite may be true.
I think it would be a nice setup if when we help a new pilot we could donate some of our own perks to the new person so they can get a taste of the whole catalog of vehicles available. I would gladly donate some of mine for the cause. I rarely ever use them myself.
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Post by: LilMak on July 18, 2018, 11:35:27 AM
Jet perks should be separate if bought. I don’t want to see an arena full of Deuces.
I don’t see why that would happen. Perks have no value now yet they are a deterrent to the use of jets already. You really think people are just going to ring up the Visa to fly a jet every sortie? If the eny kicks in and increases the cost of a 262 to 1000+ perks. You can still fly it but if you wreck it, you just lost your three dollars.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 18, 2018, 12:52:35 PM
I don’t see why that would happen. Perks have no value now yet they are a deterrent to the use of jets already. You really think people are just going to ring up the Visa to fly a jet every sortie? If the eny kicks in and increases the cost of a 262 to 1000+ perks. You can still fly it but if you wreck it, you just lost your three dollars.
Jets should be earned. Let the rest be bought.
Then again, anything would beat what we have now. Even a small tweak will make a major improvement, potentially.
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Post by: Brooke on July 18, 2018, 04:14:40 PM
I hate the Me 262 so very much.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: LilMak on July 18, 2018, 04:38:48 PM
I personally could care less about 262s. They’re not much of a threat to me unless they come in a pack of four. I say give it a shot but the values of the planes will have to be adjusted continuously to prevent an arena full of jets and Tempests.
The perks as in game currency might some merit though. If you’re planning a mission, it might be cool to offer perks from your own stash for participants who accomplish goals.
Aka: player one takes down VH and is rewarded 2 perks. Player two kills 5 field guns...3 perks. Player three destroys 20 town buildings...1 perk. Player four captures base with goon...5 perks.
You could run some serious missions. Of course there is a downside...perkfarming other accounts could become rampant and such.
Side game in the hangar...Poker for perks.
And being able to purchase perks might give HT a little extra bonus income stream.
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Post by: The Fugitive on July 18, 2018, 05:03:10 PM
At what cost per user.We have advertised substantially in the past year, so far all attempts the ROI was not sustainable.
HiTech
Not that I doubt you, but I havent seen any advertisements for Aces High, nor have I seen other mentioning that they saw them. The last time there was a commercial there were a bunch of comments on the boards about them. Heck the F4F video for the Steam release drew a bunch of attention. Maybe your advertising in the wrong areas.
I’ve said for quite some time that ENY should trigger the use of perks not limit plane selection. Want to fly tha LA-7 in the horde? Sure thing. That’ll be 20 perks.
I’ve also said that heavy ord (1k or larger) for fighter aircraft should be perked as well. Wanna load up the Jug with the big bombs? That’ll be 1 perk each. And, once you drop them, those perks are gone whether you land or not.
More fun stuff can be done with perks that would drive game play but not eliminate anything from your hangar. Think HT could charge for them too. You’re a noob and don’t have any perks? You just gotta fly that 262? Click here to charge $3 to your Visa for 1000 perks.
I like this idea. While Im not a fan of the pay to win stuff I think something like this could not only generate more income for HTC, it could build a bit more activity in the game. Gamers love to "grind" out points/perks/achievements.
I do think that it should hold at that tho. No personal perk transfers just like it is now. Earn them, or buy them. You start adding personal trading, poker games and the such your just opening your self up to trouble for no real gain.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 18, 2018, 05:27:03 PM
Not that I doubt you, but I havent seen any advertisements for Aces High, nor have I seen other mentioning that they saw them. The last time there was a commercial there were a bunch of comments on the boards about them. Heck the F4F video for the Steam release drew a bunch of attention. Maybe your advertising in the wrong areas.
I like this idea. While Im not a fan of the pay to win stuff I think something like this could not only generate more income for HTC, it could build a bit more activity in the game. Gamers love to "grind" out points/perks/achievements.
I do think that it should hold at that tho. No personal perk transfers just like it is now. Earn them, or buy them. You start adding personal trading, poker games and the such your just opening your self up to trouble for no real gain.
You're not hearing the man. He is saying the return on investment isn't worth it. Getting people to look at the game is NOT THE PROBLEM HERE.
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Post by: Vraciu on July 18, 2018, 05:29:38 PM
Oh, and instead of just achievements and stars we could earn medals and ribbons graphically displayed after you land (also on your career page) like Microprose did in APACHE the helo game. This gets to Fugitive's point about grinding.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: rvflyer on July 18, 2018, 06:02:31 PM
I saw what he wrote and do believe him why shouldn't I? I think of myself as pretty much internet and media savvy and have not see an advertisement for many years on any media. I do have to give Dale credit for not raising the price in the last 15 years i have been here and I do not think it would kill anyone to pay a couple bucks more a month if it would help advertise the game and bring in more players or pay someone to produce a clear easy to understand but detailed video on how to set up the game and some simple explanations of how to operate a tank or aircraft and the objects of the game.
You're not hearing the man. He is saying the return on investment isn't worth it. Getting people to look at the game is NOT THE PROBLEM HERE.
This is what he said.....
Quote from: hitech on Today at 12:07:43 PM
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At what cost per user.We have advertised substantially in the past year, so far all attempts the ROI was not sustainable.
HiTech
If he has "advertised substantially in the past year" my question is where? I havent seen anything, others I guess havent seen anything.... they would have posted here like they have every other time an advert is spotted. The point I was making is maybe he is spending his ad money in the wrong places and so NOT getting a good rate of return.
Another thing. what are they basing the rate of return on? If its on players subscribing its one thing, but if its on players STAYING that is something totally different. Players not staying has nothing to do with advertising, it has to do with game play. As none of us has any access to HTC data we can only go by what we see in the game. I know during the Steam roll out they were getting tons of hits/downloads and so on per minute because Hitech posted that info, but how much has that dropped off now? Whats the next big idea that is going to get the new influx of players? Are they better prepared to handle a new influx?
Game play options must change to help keep these new players interested longer than 20 minutes. Give the 2 weeker ( or player on the unlimited free plan with 6-8 planes) a triangle next to his name ONLY on the roster. This way some of us old hands can scan the roster and see a new player and help them out. If the name is only IDed on the roster they wont be hunted as "easy kills".
New Arena name... "Mig Alley" Saber Vs. Mig No ground war... Jet on Jet combat only... with only 2 sides with only 2 planes. We have WW1 and WW2 it is time for Korea The name of this game IS "Aces High" Start an Arena with 100 players and see how it goes. No game out now that can support 100 players in this time frame.
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Post by: The Fugitive on July 18, 2018, 08:39:39 PM
Way to conveniently eliminate the second part of his statement. It wasn't worth the money.
No, It's NOT there or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
It wasnt worth the money because he MAY have been spending his advertising money in the wrong place. You can spend a million dollars in ads in beauty magazines, or in aviation magazines, which do you think might be worth more than the other? :rolleyes:
The "stick" is the game it self. It is the best WWII MMO with options for many types of game play. The issues isnt the stick, if your looking your interested. The issue is the hard learning curve. If it was made easier for players to get going they would most likely stick it out long enough to become good enough at it to stick around. The new tutorials are a step in the right direction. Making info on the game easier to find would help too. I think pointing out who the new players are so they can be helped but those looking to help would also be a good step.
The game MUST be easier to a new player. Anything that helps in that direction is a plus.
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Post by: VuduVee on July 18, 2018, 09:39:19 PM
i am pretty sure i seen advertising not long ago. may have been a banner on YouTube....anyway, you can advertise all you want, but if the game is boring, and lopsided, new players will not stay. in my opinion the answer is pretty simple: MISSIONS. when squads were doing missions, they were attracting and keeping new players. because missions are fun and anyone can do them and feel like they're getting somewhere. whereas the last 2 years i played and probably still now, the play was stagnant with fph's hanging at the end of the runway, gun sitters waiting hours for them to get close enough. 20 people doing m3 resups on a town because that team has so many players that they can afford to have that many in m3s. since the other team only has 15 to 20 people total to fight the other 2 countries, who each have double the players and are both slaughtering your team together. why would new or old players for that matter, stick around for that? imo, its the same crowd as when i started who completely blew this game out of the water eventually. HT catered to their forum whining and eventually whittled the game down to where its only good for the forum big mouths. didnt work out too well did it?
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Post by: Vraciu on July 18, 2018, 09:39:23 PM
It wasnt worth the money because he MAY have been spending his advertising money in the wrong place. You can spend a million dollars in ads in beauty magazines, or in aviation magazines, which do you think might be worth more than the other? :rolleyes:
The "stick" is the game it self. It is the best WWII MMO with options for many types of game play. The issues isnt the stick, if your looking your interested. The issue is the hard learning curve. If it was made easier for players to get going they would most likely stick it out long enough to become good enough at it to stick around. The new tutorials are a step in the right direction. Making info on the game easier to find would help too. I think pointing out who the new players are so they can be helped but those looking to help would also be a good step.
The game MUST be easier to a new player. Anything that helps in that direction is a plus.
It's not worth the expense for many reasons. Examples: Traffic-generated revenue does not exceed advertising expenditure. People reached don't stay. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
We are getting enough initial interest WITHOUT those dollars being spent on advertising. Thus it isn't worth the effort according to internal data. It doesn't matter where you spend it if the people don't stay. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Post by: Oldman731 on July 18, 2018, 09:46:53 PM
It wasnt worth the money because he MAY have been spending his advertising money in the wrong place. You can spend a million dollars in ads in beauty magazines, or in aviation magazines, which do you think might be worth more than the other?
Advertising is more expensive than people often think it is. Just to keep your position on Google searches can run you $10k/month. More, depending on how you want to be advertised, and in how many ways (per click?). Then there's YouTube, specialized sites, all the other places you have to spend money to get your point across. That's just the internet. Moving to aviation magazines (does anyone buy them anymore?) is on top of that. Major TV station advertising is reserved for companies much larger than HTC. These days, that probably includes the Hitler Channel.
And yet people still seem to be looking, and those are likely the people most likely to be attracted. As Brooke, Vraciu and HT have said, the problem seems to be keep them here - given their initial willingness to explore a WWII aviation game.
It would be nice if I could offer advice, but I'm stymied, too.
- oldman
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Post by: Lazerr on July 18, 2018, 09:53:06 PM
Ive been here damn near 20 years... i still cannot get my controls to work for gvs. Advertise all you want, if your toejams broken, people wont buy it.
Coupled with the rest of the lazyass gameplay features.. what do you expect? Pay you to be bored?
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Post by: b4o2s9s on July 18, 2018, 10:48:51 PM
Ive been here damn near 20 years... i still cannot get my controls to work for gvs. Advertise all you want, if your toejams broken, people wont buy it.
Coupled with the rest of the lazyass gameplay features.. what do you expect? Pay you to be bored?
Good god you old man!
Wait, I've been here 17 years.....crap.
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Post by: asterix on July 19, 2018, 12:24:27 PM
... in my opinion the answer is pretty simple: MISSIONS. when squads were doing missions, they were attracting and keeping new players. because missions are fun and anyone can do them and feel like they're getting somewhere. ...
Agree with this, but people who could do that seem to stay out of MA and appear in FSO or other events.
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Post by: Vraciu on July 19, 2018, 12:26:13 PM
People hate drones, but I would love to see AI bombers here and there just to spice things up when numbers are low.
Maybe that’s the ENY counter. When one side gets lopsided you roll some drones to spice things up.
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Post by: 715 on July 19, 2018, 04:01:40 PM
AH3 actually already has drones built in for quite some time. They will shred you in a few milliseconds; not fun to attack at all.
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Post by: Vraciu on July 19, 2018, 04:06:11 PM
It's not worth the expense for many reasons. Examples: Traffic-generated revenue does not exceed advertising expenditure. People reached don't stay. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Again, people STAYING is not an advertising issue. If they are getting 1000 downloads a day the advertising is working fine.
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We are getting enough initial interest WITHOUT those dollars being spent on advertising. Thus it isn't worth the effort according to internal data. It doesn't matter where you spend it if the people don't stay. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Im sorry, I didnt know you were privy to HTC's data. What happened last year as no bearing on what is happing now. We dont know how many people are trying out the game these days. I dont fly as much as I use to, but Friday and Saturday nights I dont see a heck of a lot of names on the roster with no rank, or no stars, or no squad affiliation. These would be the "new" guys for the most part.
I dont know what HTCs numbers are, I dont think they are getting the hits like they did after the Steam release. I hope they are getting a bunch, but I dont see THAT many new people trying out the game.
As I have said many times, game play has got to change because obviously what we have now isnt enough to KEEP these new players.
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Post by: Vraciu on July 19, 2018, 04:24:24 PM
We dont know how many people are trying out the game these days. I dont fly as much as I use to, but Friday and Saturday nights I dont see a heck of a lot of names on the roster with no rank, or no stars, or no squad affiliation. These would be the "new" guys for the most part.
What V's on about is the fact that during Steam, per HT, they were leaving after a minute or so. When they go through with that kind of speed, it's not going to be very visible to a player I think. I was surprised they had 40,000 people create accounts and log in when they went on Steam in a couple months.
It appears regardless of how many new people they're getting these days, they still aren't sticking, which is the next thing some people have latched onto. Those who don't believe every problem can be solved by just advertising more at least.
Wiley.
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Post by: Vraciu on July 19, 2018, 05:15:33 PM
What V's on about is the fact that during Steam, per HT, they were leaving after a minute or so. When they go through with that kind of speed, it's not going to be very visible to a player I think. I was surprised they had 40,000 people create accounts and log in when they went on Steam in a couple months.
It appears regardless of how many new people they're getting these days, they still aren't sticking, which is the next thing some people have latched onto. Those who don't believe every problem can be solved by just advertising more at least.
Wiley.
This has continued long post-Steam according to Hitech. People are pouring in but they're leaving almost immediately.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 19, 2018, 06:40:04 PM
Fugi is right the "stick" is the main arena but unfortunately, there are a few barriers that are preventing a sizable number of new players from being able to get into the main arena. One of the barriers is the control set up, new players tend to find it difficult to set up their controls. The learning curve is also one of the barriers new player complain about, most find the trial period insufficient to get used to the flying aspects of the game.
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Post by: Devil 505 on July 19, 2018, 07:45:19 PM
One of the barriers is the control set up, new players tend to find it difficult to set up their controls.
Setting up controls here is no more difficult than Il 2 or War Blunder. Hell, War Blunder still has not figured out how to make a hat switch work properly. If a new player can't figure out the controls here, they wont in the other games either.
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Post by: Wiley on July 19, 2018, 08:03:18 PM
Setting up controls here is no more difficult than Il 2 or War Blunder. Hell, War Blunder still has not figured out how to make a hat switch work properly. If a new player can't figure out the controls here, they wont in the other games either.
If it were me, I'd pretty much do what the tutorial missions in DCS do. Show you step by step and walk you through stuff, "Press <whatever is mapped> to start engine." Walk them ingame step by step through mapping a control. Videos are not enough, you need to grab them by the back of the neck and rub their faces in the information.
Wiley.
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Post by: MWL on July 19, 2018, 08:18:30 PM
Greetings,
IIRC Air Warrior had a relaxed realism arena. That got me started in AW - could the same work here? By the same, I mean an arena with a more forgiving flight model, reduced engine torque effect, less spin modeling, etc. . . . Would this allow more players to 'stick'?
Regards
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Post by: FESS67 on July 19, 2018, 08:24:40 PM
My initial post was about the level of inactivity I am seeing in game to the point I spend more and more time tabbing out.
Some of the responses I have liked so far which might increase activity are:
smaller maps
2 sides- or at least limit available bases to compress the fronts
player activated drone buffs. Adds more targets
Basically find a mechanism for more active gameplay.
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Post by: Max on July 19, 2018, 08:33:09 PM
Does anyone recall when the H2H player arenas were closed?
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Post by: puller on July 19, 2018, 08:39:48 PM
It took me hours to set up my controls in IL2...And IL2 is more complicated than AH...Oil cooler flaps and other random watermelon I would rather not worry about...I think the 15 dollars is what turns people off...I played this game for about an hour with a mouse before I went to Walmart and bought my first joystick...And have been here ever since...Our player base was older when they started playing...And have gotten even older and moved on to retirement or sad to say... keeled over...And young new players ain't gonna pay anything... Momma's basement don't pay...
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Post by: grizz441 on July 19, 2018, 11:31:13 PM
I never would have stuck with AOL airwarrior if it cost money after 2 weeks.
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Post by: VuduVee on July 20, 2018, 12:14:35 AM
MISSIONS and something to do when there aren't any...because the game needs to appeal to more people than just the forum fph's. hardly any of the ideas in this thread help the game. they all cater to the idea that these few folks need more kills. and the ideas reflect that.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 20, 2018, 12:25:35 AM
Setting up controls here is no more difficult than Il 2 or War Blunder. Hell, War Blunder still has not figured out how to make a hat switch work properly. If a new player can't figure out the controls here, they wont in the other games either.
That is not true at all. If you had read the initial comments from new players during the Steam launch, many of them had difficulties in setting up their controls, especially those that came from War Thunder.
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Post by: 1stpar3 on July 20, 2018, 12:33:33 AM
That is not true at all. If you had read the initial comments from new players during the Steam launch, many of them had difficulties in setting up their controls, especially those that came from War Thunder.
Well that may be, not arguing the point really...I didnt read the reviews and I trust you. BUT War Thunder is a BEAR to get set up control wise... I cant get head position to work right with TIR in war thunder, or the stick to work right,its a big issue. Didnt like it at all anyway. Hate 3rd person views and seemed it was designed for game to be played that way.I had zero problem here in AH. Took 10 minutes...now scaling and fine adjustments heck I still mess with those. Then again long time players in here still dont understand how to set up sticks. Get those questions in forums and in game all the time. Maybe its a "lost in translation issue", I dont know. Set up here was alot like every other game I had played on PC. Maybe Wt is easier for the Console Generation?
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Post by: Vraciu on July 20, 2018, 01:09:07 AM
MISSIONS and something to do when there aren't any...because the game needs to appeal to more people than just the forum fph's. hardly any of the ideas in this thread help the game. they all cater to the idea that these few folks need more kills. and the ideas reflect that.
Because fewer kills/opponents are so much more fun. /sarcasm
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Post by: LilMak on July 20, 2018, 10:11:27 AM
they all cater to the idea that these few folks need more kills. and the ideas reflect that.
You might believe that but it is false. My ideas have nothing to do with kills or score or any of that. The vast majority have to do with players interacting with one another which is the only reason to play this game online or pay for it.
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Post by: Vraciu on July 20, 2018, 10:19:08 AM
You might believe that but it is false. My ideas have nothing to do with kills or score or any of that. The vast majority have to do with players interacting with one another which is the only reason to play this game online or pay for it.
Bingo.
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Post by: Vraciu on July 20, 2018, 10:20:07 AM
You might believe that but it is false. My ideas have nothing to do with kills or score or any of that. The vast majority have to do with players interacting with one another which is the only reason to play this game online or pay for it.
Agree. Most fun for me is the rare occasion that a group of players gets together and exercises some teamwork. Seems to happen less and less as time marches on.
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Post by: Wiley on July 20, 2018, 12:00:13 PM
Agree. Most fun for me is the rare occasion that a group of players gets together and exercises some teamwork. Seems to happen less and less as time marches on.
Teamwork vs teamwork from the other side is when it's at its best, that's for sure. It's a shame it happens so rarely. One side gets its nose bloodied and they just vanish.
Wiley.
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Post by: puller on July 20, 2018, 12:07:58 PM
Teamwork vs teamwork from the other side is when it's at its best, that's for sure. It's a shame it happens so rarely. One side gets its nose bloodied and they just vanish.
Wiley.
This 1000 times this
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Post by: VuduVee on July 20, 2018, 12:10:30 PM
You might believe that but it is false. My ideas have nothing to do with kills or score or any of that. The vast majority have to do with players interacting with one another which is the only reason to play this game online or pay for it.
ok thats fine, and i believe you think that way(teamwork/missions thinking). its just my opinion that a lot of these suggestions only cater to the fph/forum heroes. in my opinion, thats what killed the game in the first place. and if you notice the next comments, we see a few people seem to think that teamwork and battling the other team who is also using teamwork is a good thing.. and then whats his name says bingo and also says "Because fewer kills/opponents are so much more fun. /sarcasm" so in other words, he wants more kills and to hell with keeping new players. thats fine too. keep killing it.
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Post by: VuduVee on July 20, 2018, 12:12:52 PM
Teamwork vs teamwork from the other side is when it's at its best, that's for sure. It's a shame it happens so rarely. One side gets its nose bloodied and they just vanish.
Wiley.
yes, exactly. to me it seems that the fph's could care less about teamwork and missions. its the best part of this game and when thats gone. its useless to play.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on July 20, 2018, 12:41:19 PM
One reason that Fester's map worked so well even though it was large was, he had areas with great CV fights, areas for TT, even tho not my fav, and streams of bases where it would be 2 bases on each side with tank bases in the middle. This allowed for all 3 types of combat in a single area. This created large fights for everyone.
I find that most people love the game when there are big fights for all types of players, while still trying to take bases, in a specific area. When there is no "path" of bases, unorganized game play leave small dars all over with small fights. This leads to players flying for a while with minimal action, making it slow.
The map is the key!
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Post by: Vraciu on July 20, 2018, 01:48:23 PM
ok thats fine, and i believe you think that way(teamwork/missions thinking). its just my opinion that a lot of these suggestions only cater to the fph/forum heroes. in my opinion, thats what killed the game in the first place. and if you notice the next comments, we see a few people seem to think that teamwork and battling the other team who is also using teamwork is a good thing.. and then whats his name says bingo and also says "Because fewer kills/opponents are so much more fun. /sarcasm" so in other words, he wants more kills and to hell with keeping new players. thats fine too. keep killing it.
No, whatever your name is, I am refuting the ridiculous assertion that people wanting more kills is bad so people NOT wanting kills (and the associated interaction such an event requires) is somehow better.
The name of the game is combat. More combat means more kills. IT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
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Post by: Max on July 20, 2018, 02:43:00 PM
ACHOO is now officially in charge of this thread :devil :old:
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Post by: Vraciu on July 20, 2018, 03:57:52 PM
Teamwork vs teamwork from the other side is when it's at its best, that's for sure. It's a shame it happens so rarely. One side gets its nose bloodied and they just vanish.
Wiley.
When I flew with the 47 Ronin under Odd our squad nights were about putting together some missions and working as a team to grab some bases or defend some bases.
The discouraging thing in most cases were the defenders would always end up going for an alt advantage. We would come in at 10-12k loaded up for an attack and be BnZed by 10+ guys coming in from over 20k. Once, maybe twice and we were done with that base. Options were to continue feeding the alt monkies, or spend extra long times climbing out making squad night a one mission night. It got so bad It was the main reason Odd and number of other guys just called it quits. Another fine bunch of players gone.
We were looking for action, we were generating action (not hiding under dar or trying any sneaks), and all the other players were looking to do was pad their score.
Teamwork vs teamwork is great when both teams want to play. That was what made so many of the "squad vs squad" nights so much fun. Head to head strait up one side defends, the other side attacks. No tricks, no NOE, no capping at 20k+ just strait up fight it out. Battles for base could last for hours moving back and forth and having a number of regroups to get everyone back on the same page. Now its just hurry up, grab this base, move on to the next one.
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Post by: Devil 505 on July 20, 2018, 04:18:19 PM
When I flew with the 47 Ronin under Odd our squad nights were about putting together some missions and working as a team to grab some bases or defend some bases.
The discouraging thing in most cases were the defenders would always end up going for an alt advantage. We would come in at 10-12k loaded up for an attack and be BnZed by 10+ guys coming in from over 20k. Once, maybe twice and we were done with that base. Options were to continue feeding the alt monkies, or spend extra long times climbing out making squad night a one mission night. It got so bad It was the main reason Odd and number of other guys just called it quits. Another fine bunch of players gone.
We were looking for action, we were generating action (not hiding under dar or trying any sneaks), and all the other players were looking to do was pad their score.
Teamwork vs teamwork is great when both teams want to play. That was what made so many of the "squad vs squad" nights so much fun. Head to head strait up one side defends, the other side attacks. No tricks, no NOE, no capping at 20k+ just strait up fight it out. Battles for base could last for hours moving back and forth and having a number of regroups to get everyone back on the same page. Now its just hurry up, grab this base, move on to the next one.
This is why FSO is still the best part of the game. The events are usually designed to ensure balanced action in a reasonable amount of time.
Title: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Ciaphas on July 20, 2018, 04:38:03 PM
Step outside of this thread and read it without having ownership of the comments and a few aspects can be seen concerning the lower numbers and the lack of gamer retainability. Many if you are talking about the same thing but you are using different semantics to describe it.
Things we do know:
Any relevant “help” requires that the player to tabs to a browser window to watch videos. This is an inconvenience and will and has pushed people away.
Community toxicity is a massive deterrent for new players. Believe it or not, your attitude can and will seep from the forums to the game. Who wants to deal with a loud mouth when you are trying to get help. Like it or not, you’re not funny or clever.
The size of the maps (which has been fixed, kind of) is another downside. time to target has impacted the game. Boredom causes people to, take a guess, leave.
There is no real solution set in place to handle the low numbers within a three sided war. Yes I understand what Skuzzy was talking about in reference to this one but the numbers spread tell the tale.
So these are the things that we know. Lets try to come up with some items that haven’t already been beaten to death.
It’s quite obvious that non of this will change. If it was going to it would have changed by now as these are the same issues that have been brought up for many years.
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Post by: Vraciu on July 20, 2018, 04:53:21 PM
I'm funny AND clever. Also handsome and a babe magnet. :old:
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Post by: Wiley on July 20, 2018, 05:02:10 PM
The discouraging thing in most cases were the defenders would always end up going for an alt advantage. We would come in at 10-12k loaded up for an attack and be BnZed by 10+ guys coming in from over 20k. Once, maybe twice and we were done with that base. Options were to continue feeding the alt monkies, or spend extra long times climbing out making squad night a one mission night. It got so bad It was the main reason Odd and number of other guys just called it quits. Another fine bunch of players gone.
I guess that's where we differ. To me that's the game. You've got an enemy doing everything it can to kill you and you're doing the same. You can either come in above them or deal with enemies above you. That freedom's what makes it great.
What separates good gameplay from bad gameplay to me in a situation like that is what do they do once it's equal? Do they run when they've got ammo and parts, or do they fight? That's what separates fun from lameness IMO.
I'll never call someone down for running from a gang. I'll laugh at them if they whine about it when the fight started out equal or shorthanded for the other side though.
Flying to control airspace is where I get my fun, it's its best when both sides are relatively equal and there's some ebb and flow. It seems to me when there were more players there was more of that than there are these days. Not sure if it's numbers or attitude change that it's rarer now.
Wiley.
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Post by: puller on July 20, 2018, 05:51:56 PM
I read fugi's post and it says...'We were opposed in our missions and my squad rage quit'
Is that toxic? :bolt:
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Post by: The Fugitive on July 20, 2018, 06:12:58 PM
I guess that's where we differ. To me that's the game. You've got an enemy doing everything it can to kill you and you're doing the same. You can either come in above them or deal with enemies above you. That freedom's what makes it great.
What separates good gameplay from bad gameplay to me in a situation like that is what do they do once it's equal? Do they run when they've got ammo and parts, or do they fight? That's what separates fun from lameness IMO.
I'll never call someone down for running from a gang. I'll laugh at them if they whine about it when the fight started out equal or shorthanded for the other side though.
Flying to control airspace is where I get my fun, it's its best when both sides are relatively equal and there's some ebb and flow. It seems to me when there were more players there was more of that than there are these days. Not sure if it's numbers or attitude change that it's rarer now.
Wiley.
I dont agree. In the old days it was a game of combat. Squads fought for bases. It was more on the lines of a boxing match, everything was kept relatively equal. "our" skill against"your" skill. If the fight started at 10k, that was where it was for hours. Twist and turn, dive in a bomb or shoot ack or buildings, or dive out and RTB, for hours on end. Braggin rights for the team.... and more often than not the squad that held them off or took the base. The game was about the fight.
Any yahoo with a bit of plane control can pick from 20k. There are a large number of players who do nothing but this. Its "safer". Most of those guys haven't a clue on how to shake someone who does happen catch on to their tail. I never saw the draw of that type of fighting, its just boring, talk about a mind numbing, repetitious game that would be if that is what everyone did. Like LilMak said, "if everybody did it would it be good for the game?" Heck no.
Game play has "evolved" and the new version sucks and has a hard time maintaining customers. The low numbers prove that. If our "statistician" V :P is to be believe we have thousands of players trying the game out and leave. WHY? Because game play sucks. As the players we could make it better. Dont be a 20k picker, If 2 guys are on a lone guy dont be the third one in. Take it easy on the new guys. Be aware that YOU can make the game fun for the other guy, or you can make his game time suck and see him move on to another game.
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Post by: Vraciu on July 20, 2018, 06:43:07 PM
Statistician? Is that an official title? :banana:
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Post by: 1stpar3 on July 20, 2018, 06:56:58 PM
And folk wonder why(IMO the reason for this) The Alchemist and Flakhappy, back in AH2 ran missions NOE. If the 20k BNZs couldnt see you,it meant success! I cant wrap my head around your argument FUGI. Nothing in combat is SUPPOSED to be EQUAL OR FAIR. True this is a cartoon game and combat doesnt cost anything of VITAL importance, but the nature of combatants is STILL THE SAME. In this combat arena, the attitude has gone from Win or adjust your tactics...to a Win or I will just go home. If you do the same thing every time and get disappointing results...WHY is it the other guy's responsibility to change? :uhoh I dont mean to come off as attacking you personally. it isnt my intention AT ALL. Its like every time you play, within the first 10 minutes you will be on 200 whinning about someone hoing you...like clockwork. How long have you played this game? You know its going to happen if you merge too close, so why not change your tactics. Its not the other guys job to change his, and why should he...if its working. BE THE CHANGE. Dodging ack and ho shots was first thing I learned. I know its coming, so I avoid it. Thats just how I think and its the really only thing I can point to about your game play..as an example.its not pointing fingers. If we want this game to thrive IT ISNT UP TO HT...its UP TO US. HT has done his part, and continuously tries to improve when its needed. TRUE, not every "NEED" is really a need. Its his sandbox, but I will be damned if I crap in it! I like playing in this sandbox and dont like to see others crap in it either. Does it get irritating....its SAND of coarse it does :uhoh Pretty sure of one thing...If there was something truly better, none of us would be here :rock
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Post by: LilMak on July 20, 2018, 08:18:25 PM
Fugi. Even the fight you described was stil player vs player action. My main gripe these days is the tools provided by HT to let players “play” but not necessarily participate in confrontation. Many of the tools were viable when the numbers were higher. Now the numbers have arrived at such a point that 20 people running supplies or hiding in guns represents a significant percentage of the population who aren’t participating in player vs player action. The game suffers needlessly from it.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 20, 2018, 08:54:06 PM
And folk wonder why(IMO the reason for this) The Alchemist and Flakhappy, back in AH2 ran missions NOE. If the 20k BNZs couldnt see you,it meant success! I cant wrap my head around your argument FUGI. Nothing in combat is SUPPOSED to be EQUAL OR FAIR. True this is a cartoon game and combat doesnt cost anything of VITAL importance, but the nature of combatants is STILL THE SAME. In this combat arena, the attitude has gone from Win or adjust your tactics...to a Win or I will just go home. If you do the same thing every time and get disappointing results...WHY is it the other guy's responsibility to change? :uhoh I dont mean to come off as attacking you personally. it isnt my intention AT ALL. Its like every time you play, within the first 10 minutes you will be on 200 whinning about someone hoing you...like clockwork. How long have you played this game? You know its going to happen if you merge too close, so why not change your tactics. Its not the other guys job to change his, and why should he...if its working. BE THE CHANGE. Dodging ack and ho shots was first thing I learned. I know its coming, so I avoid it. Thats just how I think and its the really only thing I can point to about your game play..as an example.its not pointing fingers. If we want this game to thrive IT ISNT UP TO HT...its UP TO US. HT has done his part, and continuously tries to improve when its needed. TRUE, not every "NEED" is really a need. Its his sandbox, but I will be damned if I crap in it! I like playing in this sandbox and dont like to see others crap in it either. Does it get irritating....its SAND of coarse it does :uhoh Pretty sure of one thing...If there was something truly better, none of us would be here :rock
And the NOE is just another way to avoid combat. Its game play changes like this that are slowly killing the game.
NOE's were soooo rampant that HTC dropped dar to the deck!
GVs were getting bomber mercilessly, range counter are adjusted to make spotting GVs harder.
Nobody can find GVs, they were sneaking bases all over the place.... we get GV dar, and a winner that turned out to be.
At least they are changes. Do we like all of them? Maybe not, but they help change the direction the game was going at the time. I just think it's time to make some more changes because as the game is played now, NEW PLAYERS ARE NOT STAYING!
This is a game..... I know far too many take it too seriously, but at the end of the day its still a game. A game is suppose to challenging and fun. If it is too challenging (ganged, hoed, chasing runners, dodging pickers, etc) players wont stay long enough to learn to turn those tables and have the game become fun. If it isn't fun...... why throw $15 a month at it?
Personally I have been HAPPILY giving my $15 a month to HTC since Oct 2001. I love this game, I love everything IN this game. These days I get one or two good fights a weekend and Im happy. Days gone by, it was a dozen good fights in a night. I still lose most of them but that is the way the game has gone. From a game that was full of action, fun, comradary and friendly banter with your "enemy" to chasing runners, dodgin pickers and toxic text messages.
The fun is to hard to find for a 2 weeker these days. They are not staying now, if changes arent made, what makes you think they will say next month?
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: LilMak on July 20, 2018, 11:40:02 PM
You know what?
Dale. Fix your damn game. Fix it now or go out of business. Try something any damn thing. Do SOMETHING.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 21, 2018, 12:52:23 AM
Fugi,thanks for not taking my post PERSONAL. :rock We have tussled some,good to know we understand each other. :rock I never saw NOE as "Hiding from combat" it was GREAT FUN. Think about it...where you gonna run to? All that was needed was planning....kill dar. 200 feet isnt to hard to stay under. We got jumped all the time :x BUT to a BRAND NEW PLAYER(2013) this hooked me HARD :aok Most game mechanics are still same as when I started,yet the complaints mount more and more. I really dont understand it. To me the biggest hang up issue is the Gv dar. To me, all that did was tell me what was coming. It doesnt really help to find gvs as much as it is purported too do :uhoh For me it was a way to HELP COMBAT. Why roll a tank for a parked plane(or a plane not on dar) somewhere in FLASH range. Or a plane(light for air,why I hardly fly in "Fighter Mode") for a Panzer flashing the base. If nothing else was going on in close proximity...upping in the wrong thing was just as much a waste of time as anything else griped about,IMO. Now we know, and can get right to the combat. Now,understand that my definition of combat may differ. too me ITS ALL COMBAT. I fight in Wirbs, M3s, Jeeps or Planes. Too me, ALL of this is fun. Take my ords out,I run M3s...leave me ord I will bomb anyone in any thing..Take out my vh and Hangers...I will fight in a gun, I LOVE IT ALL. Matching up against someone in a Wirb vrs Plane-in either role...THE BEST for me. Its nowhere near clubbing seals as I have seen it described. Most dangerous sport in game I know of... In plane(I love it in spixteen or Ki84) I am loaded down with bombs on deck, well inside a OSTI or WIRBS area of expertise. Exposed to fire from above and below...MUST be aware at all times. I cant remember last time I took off with an ability to go AFK AT ALL. Thats me,and my fun...YMMV
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 21, 2018, 08:50:09 AM
Fugi,thanks for not taking my post PERSONAL. :rock We have tussled some,good to know we understand each other. :rock I never saw NOE as "Hiding from combat" it was GREAT FUN. Think about it...where you gonna run to? All that was needed was planning....kill dar. 200 feet isnt to hard to stay under. We got jumped all the time :x BUT to a BRAND NEW PLAYER(2013) this hooked me HARD :aok Most game mechanics are still same as when I started,yet the complaints mount more and more. I really dont understand it. To me the biggest hang up issue is the Gv dar. To me, all that did was tell me what was coming. It doesnt really help to find gvs as much as it is purported too do :uhoh For me it was a way to HELP COMBAT. Why roll a tank for a parked plane(or a plane not on dar) somewhere in FLASH range. Or a plane(light for air,why I hardly fly in "Fighter Mode") for a Panzer flashing the base. If nothing else was going on in close proximity...upping in the wrong thing was just as much a waste of time as anything else griped about,IMO. Now we know, and can get right to the combat. Now,understand that my definition of combat may differ. too me ITS ALL COMBAT. I fight in Wirbs, M3s, Jeeps or Planes. Too me, ALL of this is fun. Take my ords out,I run M3s...leave me ord I will bomb anyone in any thing..Take out my vh and Hangers...I will fight in a gun, I LOVE IT ALL. Matching up against someone in a Wirb vrs Plane-in either role...THE BEST for me. Its nowhere near clubbing seals as I have seen it described. Most dangerous sport in game I know of... In plane(I love it in spixteen or Ki84) I am loaded down with bombs on deck, well inside a OSTI or WIRBS area of expertise. Exposed to fire from above and below...MUST be aware at all times. I cant remember last time I took off with an ability to go AFK AT ALL. Thats me,and my fun...YMMV
And yet how many fewer people play this game now as from when you started? Not to sound like and old fart, but you have no idea of what this game was like. Your like the kid having fun at the playground , playing on the 6 foot slide, the swing set, and the see-saw. We use to have a twerly slide, a 12 foot slide, and one that even flipped you upside down. Our swing sets had double riders, some swings decked out as planes, others as animals (not many used them, but some liked them). Some of our see-saws held 6 to a side (everybody wanted Shuffler because he was the biggest :P ). We also had merry go rounds and a jungle jim that was 3 stories tall with cargo netting all over it so you couldnt fall. See the difference?
nrshida is running his "Breakfast Club", one of the comment by Flipz (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,393636.msg5224006.html#msg5224006) "best 2 hours Ive had in this game for 6 months", why, because they lame crap wasn't there. It was players fighting players.
Ive always said I'll be here giving HTC my money until they close the doors. If game play doesnt change I dont see that lasting much longer. I hear of players leaving all the time and I only play on Fridays and Saturdays. Last night I logged in, saw "Buzzsaw", only fight was on the Knight - Bish front, Rooks rolling Knit bases unopposed. Most enemy strats down to under 10%. Didnt even hang around to chat, just wasnt worth the time. If a new guy came in as a Rook last night and saw that after spending an hour setting up his controls and familiarizing himself with the game, how long do you think he would have stayed?
Statis quo is a death nell, everything evolves. Sometimes that evolution has to be forced. I think its time HTC makes some changes
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: BuckShot on July 21, 2018, 09:21:44 AM
I love this game but no other game I play exists.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 21, 2018, 10:06:56 AM
Dale. Fix your damn game. Fix it now or go out of business. Try something any damn thing. Do SOMETHING.
So, it’s obvious you are pretty passionate, POed, or both. It’s hard to interpret in written form. As a suggestion, how about a list of specific fixes that you think will “fix it now” vs what appears to be an attack and threat. Give Dale something to consider vs :mad:. :salute
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: VuduVee on July 21, 2018, 11:12:01 AM
No, whatever your name is, I am refuting the ridiculous assertion that people wanting more kills is bad so people NOT wanting kills (and the associated interaction such an event requires) is somehow better.
The name of the game is combat. More combat means more kills. IT'S THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
wtf are you babbling about? thats not what i said and you know it. geez thats so pathetic. anyway, so do you think a bunch of fph wannabes running around with no other goal than to furball is going to save this game? that idea and the forum big mouths who promote that idea are whats killed the game in my opinion. thats as boring as it gets. and i guarantee you that new players will play about 5 mins of that sht before they leave. get them in missions and get them working towards playing a part of the team if you want them to stay. its really that simple.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: nrshida on July 21, 2018, 11:24:38 AM
so do you think a bunch of fph wannabes running around with no other goal than to furball is going to save this game?
The flaw in your reasoning which illustrates your confirmation bias being that the FPH-group left long ago (probably pre-end of AH2) and yet the game...
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 21, 2018, 11:46:37 AM
. get them in missions and get them working towards playing a part of the team if you want them to stay. its really that simple.
Good point. 👍 With a few rare exceptions these days, it seems everyone is “lone wolfing” it. The are a handful that get the teamwork concept. Those are the bases that I’ll go to when seeing one of those players icon tag on the map. Much more entertaining and rewarding for me than a 4,5,6,etc V 1 dog pack fight.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 21, 2018, 11:49:08 AM
Good point. 👍 With a few rare exceptions these days, it seems everyone is “lone wolfing” it. The are a handful that get the teamwork concept. Those are the bases that I’ll go to when seeing one of those players icon tag on the map. Much more entertaining and rewarding for me than a 4,5,6,etc V 1 dog pack fight.
Most of us lone wolf because our former wingmen have either quit or don't play any more.
There are just not that many guys playing any more. The fight has been precede thin.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 21, 2018, 11:49:50 AM
wtf are you babbling about? thats not what i said and you know it. geez thats so pathetic. anyway, so do you think a bunch of fph wannabes running around with no other goal than to furball is going to save this game? that idea and the forum big mouths who promote that idea are whats killed the game in my opinion. thats as boring as it gets. and i guarantee you that new players will play about 5 mins of that sht before they leave. get them in missions and get them working towards playing a part of the team if you want them to stay. its really that simple.
Looks like someone got triggered. :rofl :ahand
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 21, 2018, 11:55:11 AM
The diluted player base has eliminated options. I occasionally manage to form an ad hoc element but this is the exception now. Action drives everything, what's his name's adolescent protestations to the contrary not withstanding.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 21, 2018, 11:59:22 AM
The flaw in your reasoning which illustrates your confirmation bias being that the FPH-group left long ago (probably pre-end of AH2) and yet the game...
Left or were run off by the whiner brigade who didn't like losing.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: VuduVee on July 21, 2018, 12:16:18 PM
The flaw in your reasoning which illustrates your confirmation bias being that the FPH-group left long ago (probably pre-end of AH2) and yet the game...
sorry shida, but thats wrong, the fph group has never left. the names may have changed, but the fph bit hasn't. its my opinion that HTC has tried to please these guys by making changes they wanted for their game to be all they wanted it to be. but the changes didnt help the overall game obviously. it reminds me of how athletes dont read their press. they don't want any distractions, or be influenced by opinions. i think sometimes it wouldn't hurt for a businessman to take this route.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: VuduVee on July 21, 2018, 12:17:10 PM
wtf are you babbling about? thats not what i said and you know it. geez thats so pathetic. anyway, so do you think a bunch of fph wannabes running around with no other goal than to furball is going to save this game? that idea and the forum big mouths who promote that idea are whats killed the game in my opinion. thats as boring as it gets. and i guarantee you that new players will play about 5 mins of that sht before they leave. get them in missions and get them working towards playing a part of the team if you want them to stay. its really that simple.
even running missions these days dont work. You need someone to be "Team General" to have missions to work. As it is now most missions are just players who happen to see a dar bar and join in hoping for protection of numbers. Defenders are rare because after all, nobody wants to have to fight for a base. Thats why you see an attack, and then those players move to another area/front should defenders show up.
No defenders, no fights, talk about boredom. Should a small group attack a base you are more than likely to get a defense to pop up. Why, defenders see the dar bar where they out number the foe and the attackers are fighting 3,4, 5 to 1 odds. Again they dont want a fight, they want to gang and grab some easy kills, another reason they seem to all fly spit16s and Las.
The players have shot themselves in the foot with the hording ways, lack of skill in anything other than the very basics of anything in the game (why defend a town when running supplies are easyer, why learn to dogfight when HOin or picking is easier, why learn to level bomb when dive bombing a hvy buff is easier..... and so on and so on), and the toxic text on 200, all do nothing but chase away new players.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: LilMak on July 21, 2018, 12:38:52 PM
So, it’s obvious you are pretty passionate, POed, or both. It’s hard to interpret in written form. As a suggestion, how about a list of specific fixes that you think will “fix it now” vs what appears to be an attack and threat. Give Dale something to consider vs :mad:. :salute
I’ve done plenty of that in this very thread.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: nrshida on July 21, 2018, 12:47:32 PM
sorry shida, but thats wrong, the fph group has never left. the names may have changed, but the fph bit hasn't. its my opinion that HTC has tried to please these guys by making changes they wanted for their game to be all they wanted it to be. but the changes didnt help the overall game obviously. it reminds me of how athletes dont read their press. they don't want any distractions, or be influenced by opinions. i think sometimes it wouldn't hurt for a businessman to take this route.
Really, who is left then? The guys that could whip up a fight and generate a defense wnd you know, initiate varied fun gameplay? Or how about encourage that ACM is a better solution than dive 10k to the deck and use the smash to get to ack even in better turning but slower planes?
To my perspective the FPH faction has not had changes they've wanted for years.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 21, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
Really, who is left then? The guys that could whip up a fight and generate a defense wnd you know, initiate varied fun gameplay? Or how about encourage that ACM is a better solution than dive 10k to the deck and use the smash to get to ack even in better turning but slower planes?
To my perspective the FPH faction has not had changes they've wanted for years.
There are one or two players who could generate a fight just by being online. When they came on the Bat Signal went up and people appeared in droves to do battle. One in particular was abused on 200 and accused of all sorts of nonsense for merely being good (no, I'm not referencing you-know-who). I know of a number of people who left when they stopped showing up. We even lost one of the more enterprising squadrons in one case.
This has a cascading effect.
We should mend fences with ALL the PNG players and get them back. Ask them to behave like gentlemen. See what happens.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: nrshida on July 21, 2018, 01:10:37 PM
We should mend fences with ALL the PNG players and get them back. Ask them to behave like gentlemen. See what happens.
I can't see them coming back without the ability to switch sides quickly to find fights, even if it was only to the lowest side. And they wouldn't stay with such low numbers.
Also, last fighter aircraft was when? I find it astoundingly frustrating in retrospect to have put so much energy gathering resources for the Westland Whirlwind Wishlist thread. There were even more deserving aircraft with similar quality presentations. There was data in there not collated elsewhere. We must have been frog-boilingly deluded to have had the slightest hope. 88-mm was an awesome addition for air combat though (http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/facepalm.gif)
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 100Coogn on July 21, 2018, 01:17:19 PM
I can't see them coming back without the ability to switch sides quickly to find fights, even if it was only to the lowest side. And they wouldn't stay with such low numbers.
Also, last fighter aircraft was when? I find it astoundingly frustrating in retrospect to have put so much energy gathering resources for the Westland Whirlwind Wishlist thread. There were even more deserving aircraft with similar quality presentations. There was data in there not collated elsewhere. We must have been frog-boilingly deluded to have had the slightest hope. 88-mm was an awesome addition for air combat though (http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/facepalm.gif)
Yeah. The side switch stuff needs help.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 21, 2018, 01:48:40 PM
Well, the thread is now 24 pages long. Make a list of combined factual specifics, their rational, and post them for Dale to consider. Make it easy for him to see what kind of recommendations you have instead of digging through this never ending thread. :salute
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 21, 2018, 02:48:20 PM
And yet how many fewer people play this game now as from when you started? Not to sound like and old fart, but you have no idea of what this game was like. Your like the kid having fun at the playground , playing on the 6 foot slide, the swing set, and the see-saw. We use to have a twerly slide, a 12 foot slide, and one that even flipped you upside down. Our swing sets had double riders, some swings decked out as planes, others as animals (not many used them, but some liked them). Some of our see-saws held 6 to a side (everybody wanted Shuffler because he was the biggest :P ). We also had merry go rounds and a jungle jim that was 3 stories tall with cargo netting all over it so you couldnt fall. See the difference?
nrshida is running his "Breakfast Club", one of the comment by Flipz (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,393636.msg5224006.html#msg5224006) "best 2 hours Ive had in this game for 6 months", why, because they lame crap wasn't there. It was players fighting players.
Ive always said I'll be here giving HTC my money until they close the doors. If game play doesnt change I dont see that lasting much longer. I hear of players leaving all the time and I only play on Fridays and Saturdays. Last night I logged in, saw "Buzzsaw", only fight was on the Knight - Bish front, Rooks rolling Knit bases unopposed. Most enemy strats down to under 10%. Didnt even hang around to chat, just wasnt worth the time. If a new guy came in as a Rook last night and saw that after spending an hour setting up his controls and familiarizing himself with the game, how long do you think he would have stayed?
Statis quo is a death nell, everything evolves. Sometimes that evolution has to be forced. I think its time HTC makes some changes
I agree! We discussed it before, I dont have ANY IDEA about how good the game WAS. To ME, this RIGHT NOW still is the VERY BEST at least WAY BETTER than anything else out there. All I am trying to do is help. I cant tell folk what to do or how to see things my way. I dont have those past experiences, THUS NO LIVING IN THE PAST. Yes it use to be better,but it REALLY hurts me to see folk hammering away at the game I love. History is a wonderful thing,but we PLAY IN THE HERE AND NOW. Its Darwinism, adapt or disappear. Both sides of this need to adapt.IE The older players and the FIXABLE mechanics of game play. What those fixes are...guess we are still working on that. Last night I personally spent 4 hour in a GREAT fight, trying to get a Port. Everyone else was at a Strat in a Gv, but was 20 to 30 folk fighting for that 1 port for hours. Time stood still for me, when we finally got it and looked at time...HOLY CRAP :confused: Went from that fight straight to another one on the Rook side. Last night was great fun for me, was on from 7pm till 1:15am eastern. Never a dull moment,not even close. THATS WHAT I CANT WRAP MY HEAD AROUND? Everyone at this fight last night had FUN. WE were laughing, screaming poking at each other the whole time...PURE FUN. Yes Buzzsaw is one of those maps....but it doesnt make my mind up about what its going to be like. On another topic...i dont see why setting up controls would be that hard,its pretty straight forward. Unless they are used to picking from PRE PROGRAMED control modes, like in most Console FPS games. Maybe we could come up with SPECIFIC default setups per Brand of Controllers that may be used? Like in Call of Duty or even Ace Combat on PlayStation. Those games use the same controlers, so a bit of a hard comparison...but they do offer 5 different configurations to choose from using those same controllers. I believe that this game will work with XBOX controllers? At least that is something that would help,control setup anyway. We now have Auto Mode Swap, Auto engage AP along with stall limiter and other crutches. So maybe have a slider to adjust how MUCH the stall limiter can adjusted to help new folk at least fly around easier? DCS has Auto Rudder, Preset Trim adjustments and the like to even out their WAY STEEPER learning curve so why cant we do this..just saying :uhoh Set up SHOULDNT be a hindrance, if it is...this would help I believe. We have enough Pros here, using just about every controller on the market, should be easy enough to get this done quite easy.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: VuduVee on July 21, 2018, 04:26:40 PM
Really, who is left then? The guys that could whip up a fight and generate a defense wnd you know, initiate varied fun gameplay? Or how about encourage that ACM is a better solution than dive 10k to the deck and use the smash to get to ack even in better turning but slower planes?
To my perspective the FPH faction has not had changes they've wanted for years.
we are partly on the same page. but i think we differ in that i think the fighter aspect of the game is more of a by product of the overall game. when the game becomes pretty much everyone in fighters, it becomes less of a draw to new unskilled players. they should be learning the game so they can discover their best skill, in my opinion. when the game has teamwork and are attacking/defending, those players get to do something that changes the outcome of the battle and they start learning. in turn the guys who like fighters will have plenty of targets. maybe escorts meet a fighter sweep type of deal. the tankers get action. attack planes get action. to me, that's the essence of the game. and when it gets away from that, it dies. new players come in and see a bunch of guys whose games have went stale and who are stuck in their ways. they must think thats how the game is, they dont know any better. they see its boring. they see people sitting in a gv for 3 hours for 1 kill. sitting in a gun all day just waiting. 10 people vs 25 people + another 25 people from the 3rd team. 15 guys hangin at the end of runways, but the town is not even touched. how boring is that? how long can that keep new players? people need something to draw them in and just the fighter aspect alone cannot carry the weight. in my opinion, whatever the settings were when Titanic Tuesdays had massive turnouts, reset the game to that.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 21, 2018, 05:24:40 PM
I agree! We discussed it before, I dont have ANY IDEA about how good the game WAS. To ME, this RIGHT NOW still is the VERY BEST at least WAY BETTER than anything else out there. All I am trying to do is help. I cant tell folk what to do or how to see things my way. I dont have those past experiences, THUS NO LIVING IN THE PAST.
<snipped to save space>
Personally I spent a week or more setting up my controls and learning how to control a plane, land, take off, and some of the ins and out of the game it self. The things that they have done to ease a new player in are great. Do they need more? I dont know, ask a new guy :)
But once they get in the game is where the problems come in. As VuduVee said in his post...
"new players come in and see a bunch of guys whose games have went stale and who are stuck in their ways. they must think thats how the game is, they dont know any better. they see its boring. they see people sitting in a gv for 3 hours for 1 kill. sitting in a gun all day just waiting. 10 people vs 25 people + another 25 people from the 3rd team. 15 guys hangin at the end of runways, but the town is not even touched. how boring is that? how long can that keep new players? people need something to draw them in and just the fighter aspect alone cannot carry the weight."
Seeing the lame game play they this game has dribbled down to isnt going to keep new players. Sure there are moments.... Was just flying on Buzzsaw first couple of flights fighting a few guys , spent most my time dodgin HOs again. But, an hour later Bish were trying to sink our CV and a few of us were defending. Had some fun fights.... even dodgin a 20k+ F6F :rolleyes: but yes, had some fun. However if a new guys had shown up at any other time but that short 15-20 minutes (Knights won the war and the fight was over) they would have seen the Knights using lancs to dive bomb towns to white flag them as quick as they could..... yup thats what we need to teach the new guys.
The "old timers" who do nothing but this type of lame game play arent going to stop. It accomplishes what they want ...Win the War.... the quickest way possible WITHOUT fighting for it. HTC needs to adjust the game mechanics.... as they have before (NOE issues, GV spotting both range and dar squares) to guide the game to a play style that more people will like.
<snip> in my opinion, whatever the settings were when Titanic Tuesdays had massive turnouts, reset the game to that.
Titanic Tuesday was when they combined the two Main Arenas they had together for one night. If we had 1 arena with 250 players in it, it would be great, two arenas with 250 each, even better. Friday night we had less than 100 :(
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 21, 2018, 06:25:46 PM
:aok Right, cant really argue against your point here. As long as I have been here,its been about the same. One dif now though...I rarely see the SPAWN CAMP till they die fellows camping. To me,the biggest pain in the buttocks has to be the guys who sit in tower to no end. Hurts every one,IMO. ENY isnt the only issue. It makes the arena seem full, but sometimes the numbers in tower doing nothing OUT NUMBER the players doing something. Pretty much same issue as you and Vooduvee mentioned. I miss Vudu, I use to think he was a first class :uhoh, but after he explained to me once WHY he didnt salute me back..I understood, and he explained to me what I was failing to understand. YES, I hoed him,pretty bad :uhoh Next time we met,he saluted before he chuted out(wasnt my kill, he ran out of oil due to flack hit) but on 200 I got a BIG" THATS what i like seeing! Where I beat you was in your merge. You had me dead to rights, but you missed that first turn post merge....." I still have that film. Hes still a :uhoh I cringe near Nikis to this day :rofl
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: flippz on July 21, 2018, 09:14:27 PM
logged in sat night 7pm est and you have 2 choices fly to the nits base and dive in to 8 of them and get ganged because they will not leave the safety of there ack or go to the rook front and come in with alt and watch all of them scatter like cockroaches after screaming on 200 for the bish to get out of there ack,lol. three hours in a fighter combat game and not a single one on one fight to be had. maybe its something we cant fix
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 22, 2018, 12:25:27 AM
logged in sat night 7pm est and you have 2 choices fly to the nits base and dive in to 8 of them and get ganged because they will not leave the safety of there ack or go to the rook front and come in with alt and watch all of them scatter like cockroaches after screaming on 200 for the bish to get out of there ack,lol. three hours in a fighter combat game and not a single one on one fight to be had. maybe its something we cant fix
Well we were in our ACK...BECAUSE WE JUST TOOK OFF, Flippz. You are correct though,lots of jawing on 200 Sat evening. most unpleasant :( I mean really, you come in with alt LOTS of it. A few up to engage, before wheels are even stowed 3 rooks diving at you. HELL YES I am going to drag you through the ACK. If I do manage to get some E and turn to fight-OVER MY base-which is where the bad guys are,by the way. They dive on me from 3 directions, I might just Split S, sure as heck NOT gonna climp up to the 3 others or run the other direct to the other 4 guys. Where am I gonna go,SpliS it is...AND ITS MY FAULT ack killed YOU? GROW up. THATS WHAT I GET SICK OF. Being called a POS ack runner, a kitty body part are just a dick hacker :furious Its a every weekend thing. Not so much during the week, but seems its due to drinking or something, I dont know. THat is the part of the game that is helping everything else KILL IT :mad:
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FESS67 on July 22, 2018, 12:27:04 AM
logged in sat night 7pm est and you have 2 choices fly to the nits base and dive in to 8 of them and get ganged because they will not leave the safety of there ack or go to the rook front and come in with alt and watch all of them scatter like cockroaches after screaming on 200 for the bish to get out of there ack,lol. three hours in a fighter combat game and not a single one on one fight to be had. maybe its something we cant fix
I agree flippz, it is maybe something we cannot fix.
I had the same experience, people want to play not fight.
And the ack. OMG why do I have to keep RTBing due to damn ack hits? Please let me fight the human player
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 22, 2018, 12:41:20 AM
I agree flippz, it is maybe something we cannot fix.
I had the same experience, people want to play not fight.
And the ack. OMG why do I have to keep RTBing due to damn ack hits? Please let me fight the human player
The ack is there for a reason Fess. Its to alow defenders at least a small chance to get up. You were not who I was reffering to in my earlier rant, by the way. I was in wirb by time you showed up. I only get by ack when flying too close to an enemy base, I know DUH. Folk fly through it ALL THE TIME and dont get hit,but when it does YES it sucks. Imagine what the Melee Rena would be without it....VULTCHING in the old DA is what killed that arena(among other BS gameplay)-without ack OMG :uhoh Honestly I wish the would up the lethality....More folk would leave it if they were able to atleast get off the runway. Thats the ONE and ONLY(well almost the only) reason you see me in wirb....If I cant fly, I am still gonna see that they die for it.Improved ack...and a chance to fight back...whats wrong with that? NO...it wont stop running to ack. Only see that happen a couple times for other than legitimate reasons. Had it happen Sat...IF I am empty, I have to land, NO. If I up light on gas so I can lift heavy for that ah at my field vulting in a wirb or T34...I may run out with a fuel hit...heck may run out while trying to fight my way to the wirb. What are we suposed to do fly a sector to land? Stay up till we get shot down. NOT EVERYONE fighting over their base, dives to the field out of FEAR. Not directed at you, but its still a bit fresh on my mind. It gets old
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: asterix on July 22, 2018, 02:14:39 AM
logged in sat night 7pm est and you have 2 choices fly to the nits base and dive in to 8 of them and get ganged because they will not leave the safety of there ack or go to the rook front and come in with alt and watch all of them scatter like cockroaches after screaming on 200 for the bish to get out of there ack,lol. three hours in a fighter combat game and not a single one on one fight to be had. maybe its something we cant fix
Maybe come up with more choices? I have awesome 1v1 fights frequently (in my opinion) whether I want it or not, even with very low numbers.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Shuffler on July 22, 2018, 07:27:05 AM
logged in sat night 7pm est and you have 2 choices fly to the nits base and dive in to 8 of them and get ganged because they will not leave the safety of there ack or go to the rook front and come in with alt and watch all of them scatter like cockroaches after screaming on 200 for the bish to get out of there ack,lol. three hours in a fighter combat game and not a single one on one fight to be had. maybe its something we cant fix
Main arena is war. They have been setting up 1 v 1 fight rooms though. You can even setup your own now.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: scott66 on July 22, 2018, 08:23:07 AM
Well we were in our ACK...BECAUSE WE JUST TOOK OFF, Flippz. You are correct though,lots of jawing on 200 Sat evening. most unpleasant :( I mean really, you come in with alt LOTS of it. A few up to engage, before wheels are even stowed 3 rooks diving at you. HELL YES I am going to drag you through the ACK. If I do manage to get some E and turn to fight-OVER MY base-which is where the bad guys are,by the way. They dive on me from 3 directions, I might just Split S, sure as heck NOT gonna climp up to the 3 others or run the other direct to the other 4 guys. Where am I gonna go,SpliS it is...AND ITS MY FAULT ack killed YOU? GROW up. THATS WHAT I GET SICK OF. Being called a POS ack runner, a kitty body part are just a dick hacker :furious Its a every weekend thing. Not so much during the week, but seems its due to drinking or something, I dont know. THat is the part of the game that is helping everything else KILL IT :mad:
But this is the point we are trying to get across here! Game play has turned to this! People running to ack.....why? be cause they cant fight there way out of a paper bag OR they are getting ganged. Some people ENJOY being on the deck turning and burning..... ever fight Scott in his brewster? I've NEVER seen him run to ack no matter how many dive on him. HE CAN fight his way out of a paper bag
Me, my ego cant take too many deaths on the deck and so I'll up from another base like I did last night when the Knights were pushing for 56. I avoided getting ganged on the deck.
The point is we dont run to ack, we dont jump into vehicles we find another way to get into the fight. It has become the norm now to run away, jump in a gun of wirb and players "think" this is good game play.
Main arena is war. They have been setting up 1 v 1 fight rooms though. You can even setup your own now.
The point isnt so much 1 vs 1, its getting any fight at all
Last night Knights were pushing 56 in the north. They had better numbers. Rooks upped a bunch of fodder for them from 56 while a few of us upped north at another base to come in from the end of their line and stem the tide. Worked great, and 15-20 minutes later we had them on the run. That was it for an hour or so. Knights never came back....easy kills were gone... so Rooks pushed toward their base, nobody upped. 40 minutes later a new knight force is spotted coming into 56 again, defense ups and another good fight starts. This time the "pick Kings" come in and everyone leaves.
Two fights that never had a chance at getting to old style "Furball" due to game play. The first died out with a few guys getting in possition to cap on their direct line to the fight and so the easy kills ...vulchin and floppin turners on the deck are not available so they leave instead of trying a different tactic like....oh maybe coming from a different direction. Second fight dried up due to the Pick King who want nothing to do with the fight/war, they are only there to pick as many kills as they can and run home to get their name in lights for everyone to send them the high 5's on the radio.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: flippz on July 22, 2018, 10:08:42 AM
Main arena is war. They have been setting up 1 v 1 fight rooms though. You can even setup your own now.
You are correct it is war. Lately it’s very boring. Imagine last night I was on bish and we were goi g to 66. The first 5 times I flew over there everyone was real low but they were able to muster a very nice dar bar. But the never got away from the base even though there was two tanks in town and the town was not wf. Now imagine we get tired of going to your base and we stay right outside the dar or just off our base and you (nits) stayed at yours how much fun is that. Y’all scream we are pickers and vulchers but guess what when we have a sector to climb out to get to your base we are gonna have alt and in order to fight we have to dive in on you. A better and more aggressive (more fun) idea is push into us. For two hours that never happened.
I know there is custom arenas and I have been in them more the last few days than the ma and have had a ball. It would also be nice to get a few fights in the ma that didn’t consist of chasing ganging and ack. I’m not sure what the hang up is about fighting in the am but it’s really killing the game for a lot of people. Last night when I logged off two other bish logged at the same time due to the same issue I was having. That’s not really a good sign of a game that was at or near it’s peek hours in game.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Lazerr on July 22, 2018, 10:32:08 AM
I agree flippz, it is maybe something we cannot fix.
I had the same experience, people want to play not fight.
And the ack. OMG why do I have to keep RTBing due to damn ack hits? Please let me fight the human player
My observation from last night was you and 5 squaddies, plus a few random country men hovering above a bish base, waiting to kill guys as they take off. (That might be part of your ack wounding problems.) I flew four sectors as a knight to the bish rook front, as I didnt want to be part of the group of 12 knight guys doing what you guys were to the bish.
Eventually i switched to bish to find a fight. Upon arrival i see your group of high speed, higher altitude planes diving on a couple of bish taking off. I decided to roll and help them out from that same base, rather than come from a base back.. I have about an hour and a half film of it.
So when you are asking for fights, think about how you are trying to get one started.
Dont get me wrong, i had fun. Id rather play from underneath and after almost two decades of this, my ability to survive and kill guys is above average. But consider what influence that same situation would have had on a new player last night.
Thanks for a few good fights too.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 22, 2018, 10:34:13 AM
My observation from last night was you and 5 squaddies, plus a few random country men hovering above a bish base, waiting to kill guys as they take off. (That might be part of your ack wounding problems.) I flew four sectors as a knight to the bish rook front, as I didnt want to be part of the group of 12 knight guys doing what you guys were to the bish.
Eventually i switched to bish to find a fight. Upon arrival i see your group of high speed, higher altitude planes diving on a couple of bish taking off. I decided to roll and help them out from that same base, rather than come from a base back.. I have about an hour and a half film of it.
So when you are asking for fights, think about how you are trying to get one started.
Dont get me wrong, i had fun. Id rather play from underneath and after almost two decades of this, my ability to survive and kill guys is above average. But consider what influence that same situation would have had on a new player last night.
Thanks for a few good fights too.
Fess is the one guy who will say on the radio, “Let’s get away from the base a bit and give these guys a chance to up.”
I have begun doing the same.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 22, 2018, 10:50:11 AM
My observation from last night was you and 5 squaddies, plus a few random country men hovering above a bish base, waiting to kill guys as they take off. (That might be part of your ack wounding problems.) I flew four sectors as a knight to the bish rook front, as I didnt want to be part of the group of 12 knight guys doing what you guys were to the bish.
Eventually i switched to bish to find a fight. Upon arrival i see your group of high speed, higher altitude planes diving on a couple of bish taking off. I decided to roll and help them out from that same base, rather than come from a base back.. I have about an hour and a half film of it.
So when you are asking for fights, think about how you are trying to get one started.
So, six dive and pick planes taking off. Hopefully, those players don’t consider that a “fight”, but merely target practice. With that going on, few are going to up a plane and allow it to continue. Instead, some will up an Anti Vulch Whirble and pick you as you pick someone trying to takeoff. Some will migrate to another base. Others will simply log off.
Bottom line: If, you want to fight, back off long enough to allow those taking off to at least get into a neutral fighting position. Doing anything else only discourages a fight and results in more “can’t find a fight” complaints on the forum.
And, there are the complaints of the ack Golden BB finding it’s way to something vital and slowing down target practice.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Drano on July 22, 2018, 10:51:43 AM
My two cents and I've thought this for a long time. This game is just flat out hard. Now don't twist what I just said into some request to dumb things down. But there's been a complete change in mindset /culture/whatever in gamers from when I started in flight sims so long ago. What hooked me originally was EXACTLY that it was hard to pick up. I really liked the challenge of it. If it was easy I'd have lost interest fairly quickly and not hung around for now over 20 years! Problem is today gamers want to walk into a game and rule. Anything less than that and THE GAME must surely suck (eye roll). There's almost nothing in AH that can be easily mastered in the two week period let alone the 5 minutes people are giving it. Short attention spans are taking over and I don't think there's anything you could change in OUR GAME that's gonna fix that. Apparently people ARE trying the game but heading right back out the door and I think that's why. Too much to deal with.
That said there's been quite a shift in game play here over the years. People are so totally hung up on getting kills and NOT getting killed it's literally killing the game. I know - - that's the idea! But it's been taken to such an extreme of late, that in and of itself is making what should be now and has been a great game in the past- - quite lame. I used to fly religiously every night. Now it's all I can do to make FSO (which is also devolving due to numbers) and into the wee hours of Saturday morning so I can hang out with the squad. This past week after FSO I went to the MA as usual. Saw the buzzsaw map up. Groan. Why? Few fights. Looked at the numbers. Like 80 total players--on a Friday night mind you - - and a lot of them were in GVs. After the last fight dried up in the middle of the map I flew around for 15 minutes and didn't see an NME plane. Not much going on anywhere so I logged way early. Sad. I'm on Twitch. Love to put up the steam but if it's like that it's like bad advertising, so I don't. Also sad.
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Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 22, 2018, 10:54:54 AM
So, six dive and pick planes taking off. Hopefully, those players don’t consider that a “fight”, but merely target practice. With that going on, few are going to up a plane and allow it to continue. Instead, some will up an Anti Vulch Whirble and pick you as you pick someone trying to takeoff. Some will migrate to another base. Others will simply log off.
Bottom line: If, you want to fight, back off long enough to allow those taking off to at least get into a neutral fighting position. Doing anything else only discourages a fight and results in more “can’t find a fight” complaints on the forum.
And, there are the complaints of the ack Golden BB finding it’s way to something vital and slowing down target practice.
When I’m at 15-20K climbing up to BUFFs am not vulching. Getting a max range oil hit or PW on the first ping from a large base I’m going around or an unseen CV Group is frankly ridiculous.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 22, 2018, 11:10:10 AM
When I’m at 15-20K climbing up to BUFFs am not vulching. Getting a max range oil hit or PW on the first ping from a large base I’m going around or an unseen CV Group is frankly ridiculous.
Yeah, it was probably ridiculous back in the day also. SA seems to never fail biting at the most inopportune moment.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 22, 2018, 11:12:54 AM
Yeah, it was probably ridiculous back in the day also. SA seems to never fail biting at the most inopportune moment.
It has nothing to do with SA. I can de-ack an entire field and never take a critical hit, but can’t get even an inch inside 88 range and not get a no-ping oil hit or PW 60% of the time?* Not buying that. Kamikazes would have never hit Franklin, Bunker Hill, etc. if that were true.
I’ve had it happen when maneuvering to avoid the ack, too. It’s supposedly random. There’s no randomness to it, unless it’s like Vegas House Odds.
There are bugs in the Damage Model that are well known. Throw this in.
— * The opposite should be the case if anything.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 22, 2018, 11:19:44 AM
My observation from last night was you and 5 squaddies, plus a few random country men hovering above a bish base, waiting to kill guys as they take off. (That might be part of your ack wounding problems.) I flew four sectors as a knight to the bish rook front, as I didnt want to be part of the group of 12 knight guys doing what you guys were to the bish.
Eventually i switched to bish to find a fight. Upon arrival i see your group of high speed, higher altitude planes diving on a couple of bish taking off. I decided to roll and help them out from that same base, rather than come from a base back.. I have about an hour and a half film of it.
So when you are asking for fights, think about how you are trying to get one started.
Dont get me wrong, i had fun. Id rather play from underneath and after almost two decades of this, my ability to survive and kill guys is above average. But consider what influence that same situation would have had on a new player last night.
Thanks for a few good fights too.
I guess that is how it could look from one side of the fence. What you could not see is me asking people to not gang. To make the fights as even as possible without leaving friendlies hanging. I ended up leaving a fight and apologising to Scott66 because friendlies ignored my request and dove in on him as we were fighting.
I did dive into one of your fights as you and your wingman had turned a 4 on 2 into a 2 on 2 and the remaining 2 friendlies were not doing so well but that is the sort of action to be expected in the MA.
There were a couple of good fights however not many players fight like you anymore
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 22, 2018, 11:48:44 AM
My two cents and I've thought this for a long time. This game is just flat out hard. Now don't twist what I just said into some request to dumb things down. But there's been a complete change in mindset /culture/whatever in gamers from when I started in flight sims so long ago. What hooked me originally was EXACTLY that it was hard to pick up. I really liked the challenge of it. If it was easy I'd have lost interest fairly quickly and not hung around for now over 20 years! Problem is today gamers want to walk into a game and rule. Anything less than that and THE GAME must surely suck (eye roll). There's almost nothing in AH that can be easily mastered in the two week period let alone the 5 minutes people are giving it. Short attention spans are taking over and I don't think there's anything you could change in OUR GAME that's gonna fix that. Apparently people ARE trying the game but heading right back out the door and I think that's why. Too much to deal with.
That said there's been quite a shift in game play here over the years. People are so totally hung up on getting kills and NOT getting killed it's literally killing the game. I know - - that's the idea! But it's been taken to such an extreme of late, that in and of itself is making what should be now and has been a great game in the past- - quite lame. I used to fly religiously every night. Now it's all I can do to make FSO (which is also devolving due to numbers) and into the wee hours of Saturday morning so I can hang out with the squad. This past week after FSO I went to the MA as usual. Saw the buzzsaw map up. Groan. Why? Few fights. Looked at the numbers. Like 80 total players--on a Friday night mind you - - and a lot of them were in GVs. After the last fight dried up in the middle of the map I flew around for 15 minutes and didn't see an NME plane. Not much going on anywhere so I logged way early. Sad. I'm on Twitch. Love to put up the steam but if it's like that it's like bad advertising, so I don't. Also sad.
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Best analysis I read to date.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 22, 2018, 12:08:39 PM
My two cents and I've thought this for a long time. This game is just flat out hard. Now don't twist what I just said into some request to dumb things down. But there's been a complete change in mindset /culture/whatever in gamers from when I started in flight sims so long ago. What hooked me originally was EXACTLY that it was hard to pick up. I really liked the challenge of it. If it was easy I'd have lost interest fairly quickly and not hung around for now over 20 years! Problem is today gamers want to walk into a game and rule. Anything less than that and THE GAME must surely suck (eye roll). There's almost nothing in AH that can be easily mastered in the two week period let alone the 5 minutes people are giving it. Short attention spans are taking over and I don't think there's anything you could change in OUR GAME that's gonna fix that. Apparently people ARE trying the game but heading right back out the door and I think that's why. Too much to deal with.
That said there's been quite a shift in game play here over the years. People are so totally hung up on getting kills and NOT getting killed it's literally killing the game. I know - - that's the idea! But it's been taken to such an extreme of late, that in and of itself is making what should be now and has been a great game in the past- - quite lame. I used to fly religiously every night. Now it's all I can do to make FSO (which is also devolving due to numbers) and into the wee hours of Saturday morning so I can hang out with the squad. This past week after FSO I went to the MA as usual. Saw the buzzsaw map up. Groan. Why? Few fights. Looked at the numbers. Like 80 total players--on a Friday night mind you - - and a lot of them were in GVs. After the last fight dried up in the middle of the map I flew around for 15 minutes and didn't see an NME plane. Not much going on anywhere so I logged way early. Sad. I'm on Twitch. Love to put up the steam but if it's like that it's like bad advertising, so I don't. Also sad.
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It would help if when you lose a fight you weren’t mocked for it. I’ve taken guys on knowing I could extend away rather than face a disadvantaged fight I more than likely will lose only to get chirped at on 200. This has been the case from the day I set foot in here. It has really never changed, but it should.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Drano on July 22, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
It would help if when you lose a fight you weren’t mocked for it. I’ve taken guys on knowing I could extend away rather than face a disadvantaged fight I more than likely will lose only to get chirped at on 200. This has been the case from the day I set foot in here. It has really never changed, but it should.
Well there's that factor too. It seems there are certain individuals that feel they simply HAVE to dominate 200. Nobody ever has to wonder if they're logged on! These folks should really just step away from the keyboard. The constant diatribe isn't exactly what I'd call representing the brand very well. Like it or not we're all ambassadors of the game. New guy logs on and sees the crap usually spewing there prolly shakes his head and logs off. Who needs that?
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Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 22, 2018, 01:32:56 PM
Well there's that factor too. It seems there are certain individuals that feel they simply HAVE to dominate 200. Nobody ever has to wonder if they're logged on! These folks should really just step away from the keyboard. The constant diatribe isn't exactly what I'd call representing the brand very well. Like it or not we're all ambassadors of the game. New guy logs on and sees the crap usually spewing there prolly shakes his head and logs off. Who needs that?
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There's a difference between joking around, quoting movies, etc.. vs. blatant attacks and chest beating.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: scott66 on July 22, 2018, 02:04:17 PM
Actually my experiences with the rooks last night made me late for work! Short version.. At 86 rooks coming from 45 I asked them to let me up.. They did..I asked them to get away from base to ack wouldn't steal my kills... They did... Asked them to let me get alt.. They did.. They even watched and waited me to fight 1v1 with one of them untiI i told them I wanted to fight multiples against me at once... Except for 1 certain spit 14 flyer that would say he would stay out but then make a pass on me anyways but it's all good..FESS you were a man of your word to me and even tho our 1v1 ended up with me in the tower every time I had a blast.. For some reason I stayed alive longer fighting 2 or 3 v me than a 1v1 with you :headscratch: LMAO I was really feeling good about myself until you upped my beloved brew and showed me how quickly I could die in it in a 1v1 with you! That was not very nice hehe the point is...I had so much fun I didn't even notice me dying 243 time in 3 hours<S>
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 22, 2018, 03:24:39 PM
My observation from last night was you and 5 squaddies, plus a few random country men hovering above a bish base, waiting to kill guys as they take off. (That might be part of your ack wounding problems.) I flew four sectors as a knight to the bish rook front, as I didnt want to be part of the group of 12 knight guys doing what you guys were to the bish.
Eventually i switched to bish to find a fight. Upon arrival i see your group of high speed, higher altitude planes diving on a couple of bish taking off. I decided to roll and help them out from that same base, rather than come from a base back.. I have about an hour and a half film of it.
So when you are asking for fights, think about how you are trying to get one started.
Dont get me wrong, i had fun. Id rather play from underneath and after almost two decades of this, my ability to survive and kill guys is above average. But consider what influence that same situation would have had on a new player last night.
Thanks for a few good fights too.
That was the poin tI was trying to make, as well. The ATTACKER has the option of deciding WHEN and WHERE the attack will come from. Dont like ack? Dont hover between town and base to vultch, simple as that. Its not a matter of "Cant fight their way out of a Paper bag"...I KNOW I CAN, but I do have too have airspace to fight back. "Its up to YOU, to stop ACK KILLS". Besides it cant be that bad a thing...HAPPENS EVERY DAY...you will hear"DAMN, wish I could fly through the ack on a Large field like that!"... so please,why complain about ack. If you that allergic, stay out. You say you just want a fight? FINE BY ME...so why not let me get AT LEAST wheels up, before you start the fight? TELLS me..YOU are the one with Ability issues. That doesnt necessarily aply to everyone here, but if you are in a crowd looking for a fight, and some IN that crowd are not letting combatants even get wheels up...call them off or go elsewhere. Just like the HO issue...post on 200 where you are so I know its you and it will be a NO HO 1 on 1. No problem at all meeting up. I would never take a ho on someone I KNOW ISNT going to shoot, but dont expect me to hold fire and HOPE I AM NOT GOING TO BE HOed. Aint gonna happen,you only have EVERYONE on every side that hos to blame for that,NOT ME. Its golden rule MAN...do unto others..Unless you want it done to you. I only have 2 cheeks to turn and they were turned LONG ago
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 22, 2018, 05:44:10 PM
Well there's that factor too. It seems there are certain individuals that feel they simply HAVE to dominate 200. Nobody ever has to wonder if they're logged on! These folks should really just step away from the keyboard. The constant diatribe isn't exactly what I'd call representing the brand very well. Like it or not we're all ambassadors of the game. New guy logs on and sees the crap usually spewing there prolly shakes his head and logs off. Who needs that?
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What is to be gained by tuning to 200 and it’s associated dribble?
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 22, 2018, 05:59:14 PM
In my experience...if not on 200 the PMs start. Honestly,I would prefer any attacks be PUBLIC knowledge.
Haven’t had 200 tuned for well over ten years. To date no attacks via PM. Rgardless of how attacks arrive, wouldn’t a screen shot and email to HT work just as well without the associated 200 dribble? Unless there’s a need to joust with some 200 keyboard warrior, then it’s understandable.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Canspec on July 22, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
I got off 200 and don't allow PM's.....made the game much more enjoyable for me. There have been, and always seem to be keyboard heroes in this game with anger management problems when they lose. Sometimes i think its just a brain abnormality that forms when your life only involves spending many hundreds of hours each month on line in here..... :old:
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 22, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
I got off 200 and don't allow PM's.....made the game much more enjoyable for me. There have been, and always seem to be keyboard heroes in this game with anger management problems when they lose. Sometimes i think its just a brain abnormality that forms when your life only involves spending many hundreds of hours each month on line in here..... :old:
Well said. Agree.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Oldman731 on July 22, 2018, 09:14:57 PM
Haven’t had 200 tuned for well over ten years. To date no attacks via PM.
Well, Puma, that's because you're not a derriere, so no one needs to attack you.
I enjoy a common channel, so that you can talk to the person who just shot you down, or advertise where you are so that people will congregate to kill you. Channel 200, for me, serves a very useful and enjoyable purpose. It would be pleasant if people could control themselves, but grim experience suggests that this is too much to expect.
So: If you can't bear it, don't listen to it.
- oldman
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Shuffler on July 22, 2018, 10:41:31 PM
I used to PM myself and talk smack about OM all the time.
:devil
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 22, 2018, 10:44:28 PM
Well, Puma, that's because you're not a derriere, so no one needs to attack you.
I enjoy a common channel, so that you can talk to the person who just shot you down, or advertise where you are so that people will congregate to kill you. Channel 200, for me, serves a very useful and enjoyable purpose. It would be pleasant if people could control themselves, but grim experience suggests that this is too much to expect.
So: If you can't bear it, don't listen to it.
- oldman
You are too kind sir. Thank you.
“It would be pleasant if people could control themselves, but grim experience suggests that this is too much to expect.” Therein is the problem with tuning up 200, in my experience. Basically, an unnecessary distraction.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FESS67 on July 23, 2018, 12:18:15 AM
Actually my experiences with the rooks last night made me late for work! Short version.. At 86 rooks coming from 45 I asked them to let me up.. They did..I asked them to get away from base to ack wouldn't steal my kills... They did... Asked them to let me get alt.. They did.. They even watched and waited me to fight 1v1 with one of them untiI i told them I wanted to fight multiples against me at once... Except for 1 certain spit 14 flyer that would say he would stay out but then make a pass on me anyways but it's all good..FESS you were a man of your word to me and even tho our 1v1 ended up with me in the tower every time I had a blast.. For some reason I stayed alive longer fighting 2 or 3 v me than a 1v1 with you :headscratch: LMAO I was really feeling good about myself until you upped my beloved brew and showed me how quickly I could die in it in a 1v1 with you! That was not very nice hehe the point is...I had so much fun I didn't even notice me dying 243 time in 3 hours<S>
Was fun Scott. You are a class act.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 23, 2018, 09:56:34 AM
Haven’t had 200 tuned for well over ten years. To date no attacks via PM. Rgardless of how attacks arrive, wouldn’t a screen shot and email to HT work just as well without the associated 200 dribble? Unless there’s a need to joust with some 200 keyboard warrior, then it’s understandable.
Looks like you've never managed to shoot down (redacted) or (redacted). Talk about unsolicited PM s-storms. Whew.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Puma44 on July 23, 2018, 10:35:32 AM
Haven’t had 200 tuned for well over ten years. To date no attacks via PM. Rgardless of how attacks arrive, wouldn’t a screen shot and email to HT work just as well without the associated 200 dribble? Unless there’s a need to joust with some 200 keyboard warrior, then it’s understandable.
As you squadie Oldman stated...YOU arent an ASS! Maybe you just dont doo stuff like I do? I basically ignore 200, but do like to be in touch. I have NO axes to grind at all, so sparring with folk on 200...not my thing. There are a few guys in AH that really are over the top in the PM crap. Try bombing Didymus Bang or Grand Touring xxx or getting lucky againg some MASON guy or an alias for a muscle car thats broke down ...you will learn fast what I mean. So yes, I screen shot and .report crap like that, but its not me I am worried about :uhoh Im a big boy, its just not conducive to the health of our game, not to bring it up as a problem
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: The Fugitive on July 24, 2018, 09:00:20 PM
It always surprises me..... well not really..... that threads like this , where suggestions and conversations about game issues seem to go ignored by the management until they just lose steam and fade away.
Funny how it always works out like that.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 24, 2018, 09:59:38 PM
It always surprises me..... well not really..... that threads like this , where suggestions and conversations about game issues seem to go ignored by the management until they just lose steam and fade away.
Funny how it always works out like that.
I see what you did there. :bolt:
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FESS67 on July 24, 2018, 11:24:36 PM
Other than new maps or altering the number of active fields to channel the fights I am not sure what HTC can do.
The tools to fight are there however too many choose not to engage. With massive maps and fewer players the problem is exaggerated.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: 1stpar3 on July 25, 2018, 12:06:19 AM
Other than new maps or altering the number of active fields to channel the fights I am not sure what HTC can do.
The tools to fight are there however too many choose not to engage. With massive maps and fewer players the problem is exaggerated.
:uhoh I agree,lots of ideas in this thread...but to what end? I dont have the answers..but its not really up to me, you know what I mean. I wonder if more folk would use a Dedicated Tank Town or Fighter Town(Instead of MPA and the Tank night special arenas) on maps if it was done INSIDE same arena? That IS one of the biggest reasons I dont go to Match Play when hit with High ENY and such :uhoh I like to stay on top of what is going on. I LOVE bombing GVS and the fights that can happen while low and looking for them. I for ONE would love it IF when nothing I really want to do is happening...I could spawn to A FIGHTER TOWN and do some dueling...but thats just me.Sort of like the PARTISIONED out sections in The Training Terrain? Other than Wirbs and bombing GVs...I dont get into the GV part of the game, so its hard to find the action I want sometimes, so I fully understand the same type of frustrations as you Fighter Jocks run into :confused: I just dont want to miss an opportunity in the MA by being in a totally different arena. I dont even know it that could be done without TOTALLY reworking a terrain, and that takes a lot of work, as seeing all of BUSTR's frustrations in creating maps. Like if they could make a FT or TT completely isolated from outside effects...NO eny restrictions inside boundaries...and no outside interlopers from surrounding Main Arena? I personally would LOVE to see that happen. Could even make a Training type zone inside the MA for quick answers on this or that. Its alot to expect from trainers to watch for the occational guy coming into the TA,and for new players..they can see the action on the map AND still get some crucial training..I know Morfiend doesnt mind, But it is a lot too ask of these guys! That way ,Morfiend and them could still participate in MA goings on,if they wanted to do so? Would be easy to land and spawn into at moments notice. Problem is...HOW HARD would this be to EVEN TEST OUT? Just trying to find solutions that work for all. Just cause I cant do MY THING...and with accessible LOCAL alternatives to wait till what I WANT happens...this way I can help those like me find fun on their terms as well. Just thinking out loud...ok out loud WITH Closed Captioning :x
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Shuffler on July 25, 2018, 02:37:23 AM
After reading these posts I am shocked that there are not 1000s more of these WWII fighter games on the market. Yall make it look so easy.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FESS67 on July 25, 2018, 03:11:45 AM
I don’t think anyone is saying it is easy. My OP was about being bored in game.
Let me give you a real life example. It is now just after 6pm here. I logged on at 5:20 and there were 25 players in game with very little air to air combat going on.
I downloaded WarThunder again and I was instantly in combat. I did not set my controls up, just wanted to get a feel for activity.
Press play............get in a fight.
Is WT better than AH? If it is a fight you are after, hell yeah!!
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: nrshida on July 25, 2018, 04:58:26 AM
Overall I've noticed a DO SOMETHING theme in this thread (or at least tell us when the doors will close). People are just trying to help and would even help do jobs for free if the word was give'd I dare say. There'd be a dozen volunteers to redo the website for instance if HTC actually notices it still describes the Orange and Blue Main Arenas etc. (http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k526/rwrk2/facepalm.gif)
For instance there has to be an economical way to make webpage animations showing the plane models in 3D by now. They are fine models, almost free publicity.
People are just p!55ed because they feel an awesome hobby is going away. The most disturbing thing to me has been the lack of Rule #4s in this thread and no PNGs. That's not a good sign.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Vraciu on July 25, 2018, 05:44:29 AM
People are just p!55ed because they feel an awesome hobby is going away. The most disturbing thing to me has been the lack of Rule #4s in this thread and no PNGs. That's not a good sign.
Why? This thread has been quite civil, frankly.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: FESS67 on July 25, 2018, 06:10:49 AM
Yeah a couple of posts have strayed close to the mark but again, my OP is not really about players or player behaviour as such so I have avoided those conversations. Sure, they impact the game but for another thread I think.
My basic premise is that I have time to punch out of the game, read an article or two and then drop back into the game before there is any combat.
I wish for less time between fights. Win or lose does not matter, repetition of action is the key IMO.
Maybe if there was less time between fights people would be more willing to commit to one. Flying 15 mins to contact can make someone not keen to lose that 15 minute investment in 20 seconds so they are more cautious. Less cautious means more running, means more frustration...blah blah.
I just feel my patience is running low. I log in less and less because I get bored in game.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Max on July 25, 2018, 06:46:30 AM
What Shida may be saying is that for all the ideas being put forth, many of them quite solid and doable, no one from HTC seems to be paying much attention. Then too, perhaps a course of redirection may be in the planning stages. IMHO, it would be heartening to know that Hitech & company at least acknowledge the concern on the part of the player base that are concerned for the future of AH3.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: b4o2s9s on July 25, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
It always surprises me..... well not really..... that threads like this , where suggestions and conversations about game issues seem to go ignored by the management until they just lose steam and fade away.
Funny how it always works out like that.
TBH I can't ever recall HTC really jumping on threads like this. And there's been a LOT of stuff talked about. However, I do share your sentiment. A simple "Hey guys, we've seen some great suggestions in here. We are collecting these ideas and analyzing them so we can improve the game" would be promising and appreciated.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 25, 2018, 10:26:28 AM
I downloaded WarThunder again and I was instantly in combat. I did not set my controls up, just wanted to get a feel for activity.
Press play............get in a fight.
The difference is, WT is a game. You have 2 equal number sides with a defined goal to win or lose by, and a set amount of time to accomplish it (if I remember right, been a few years since I did WT). You invest a small amount of time, you get a cookie. You've got in-game defined advancement as you grind up your aircraft tiers and your abilities.
AH provides you with an arena that lets you do whatever you like within the physics and current situation of that arena. You also have 2 fronts you need to overcome to win. The only "guidance" you have is to win ze war and it doesn't lead you by the nose how to accomplish that. This is why you get outliers like the early 49th looking for any crack in the way things work to get things done. The game allows it, so you do it, because the only defined objective you have to focus on is to win ze war.
You don't gain new planes or accessories. You get better at the game, or you don't depending on the person. You don't get any tangible proof of "advancement" which in games these days just means you've put in time in the game. Look at any of the grinding games. It doesn't matter if you lose every match, you'll still progress just at a slower rate than someone who wins.
This is also something people expect. Every other game shows you "advancing" even if you stay a positively terrible player. I still get points toward boxes in PUBG even though I am appallingly bad at it.
For me personally in a flight sim, I want an arena to play in, not to be led around by the nose to accomplish the 20 minute objective that has been defined. To me that's boring and repetitive. I want an open world to be a part of and do what I feel like depending on what's going on in the arena. This is an exceedingly rare desire these days.
The vast majority of gamers want a game with rewards and objectives and progression. That is not here, and I think that's a lot of the reason why people log out after playing for a bit if they get past that first couple minutes. It's not leading them by the nose to do stuff.
Unfortunately, HT's kind of between a rock and a hard place because a lot of the people who are here are here because they want the open world freedom to do what they like, but the overwhelming majority of potential new players as well as a number of the current players who are disgruntled, want the kind of instant action a game like WT has.
Plus, we have a flight model that hits the sweet spot between realism and arcade for a lot of us, but that's a distinction that isn't terribly important to the average gamer. They're pretty much happy with different planes that handle differently and stall when you get too slow. They aren't going to see much distinction between the way WT does it and the way things work here.
To make the game more palatable to a large number of people, they'd basically need to change the core gameplay that I like to something I like less.
As far as this thread and all the ideas in it, they've all been beaten into the dirt over the last few years. I haven't noticed a thing in this thread that hasn't been suggested umpteen dozen times before. That's likely why HTC hasn't bothered responding. There's nothing new here, it's just another "airing of the grievances" thread that's saying the same things that have gone before.
A simple "Hey guys, we've seen some great suggestions in here. We are collecting these ideas and analyzing them so we can improve the game" would be promising and appreciated.
HT doesn't gladhand people with pap like that. Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing depends on your point of view. I personally kind of like the fact that if he doesn't like your idea, he doesn't validate your feelings by saing it's under consideration. It really rubs a lot of people the wrong way though from time to time.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: b4o2s9s on July 25, 2018, 12:04:51 PM
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HT doesn't gladhand people with pap like that. Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing depends on your point of view. I personally kind of like the fact that if he doesn't like your idea, he doesn't validate your feelings by saing it's under consideration. It really rubs a lot of people the wrong way though from time to time.
Oh I know, I've been around since.....2001 or 2002. I don't expect them to rub your back and tell you they are looking at it if they don't like it, but when they have a 28 page forum thread of people throwing around ideas to improve the game, they should probably realize it's time for some change. Numbers are WAY down, people want to help, but they aren't even acknowledging it. And that's frustrating.
All of the big game companies that stay successful have been interactive with the community, and ask the community for feedback to improve, and actually listen (within reason), using forums, community polls, etc. The ones that have bad community interaction and don't care what the community wants don't do very well. The very fact that many of these things have been suggested for years, and yet AH3 is the exact same thing AH1 and AH2 were, just with better airplane graphics and slightly better ground graphics, is troubling. If I was a new player looking for a game and saw that the devs don't seem to give 1% of a crap about community input, I'd move on, and I'm absolutely positive that's going on. Gamers these days EXPECT developer interaction with the community, especially when they are paying for a game. And HTC isn't dealing with 200,000 customers here, this is a small community of, what, 1,000? Shouldn't be real hard to figure out what the community wants to improve their game play.
I'm not saying that HTC should implement everything or change the actual game itself all the time, but the complete lack of change despite tons of community feedback over the years is just as bad. There should always be continuing quality of life improvements, GUI improvements, new player experience improvements (tutorials, not easy mode), website improvements, etc. There's nothing, and that's driving away current customers and potential new customers.
Also please god no instant action like WT......understand the allure, short on time, do a couple matches, go do something else, but that would ruin a sandbox.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 25, 2018, 12:39:09 PM
Oh I know, I've been around since.....2001 or 2002. I don't expect them to rub your back and tell you they are looking at it if they don't like it, but when they have a 28 page forum thread of people throwing around ideas to improve the game, they should probably realize it's time for some change. Numbers are WAY down, people want to help, but they aren't even acknowledging it. And that's frustrating.
Ah ok, so you predate me by a fair bit. The thing is, they're still the same ideas over and over again. HT probably figures he's rebutted the ideas so many times, it's not worth rebutting them again. Whether he's right or wrong is a matter of opinion, but on most of the big ones, he's outlined his logic why they haven't been done repeatedly.
Personally if I were him, I'd have hired a lackey whose sole job is to monitor the forum and answer those repetitive questions with whatever the truth is, and monitor the forum for possible new interesting ideas. They'd need to have a decent idea what he has in mind and where he's going so they could filter the ideas that might be worth exploring. I know if I were HT, I'd NEVER come to these forums myself.
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Shouldn't be real hard to figure out what the community wants to improve their game play.
I disagree. Mainly because what a ton of people say they want, and what they actually want are very often two different things. Just one example of many, plenty of people say they want a fight, but their behavior shows something completely different. They want a fight, as long as it's fair in their mind. If the other guys come in too high, or there are too many of them, they run or complain. For some, if they meet resistance, they run or complain.
Either that or they don't want a multi-on-multi fight, they want a duel, with every other plane in the airspace staying out of their 1v1 so they can feel like Chuck Norris in one of his movies. Yet if you suggest a dueling arena, they get huffy and don't want that for reasons I still cannot fathom. I have a feeling it may be something to do with the fact that there's nobody watching it.
For me, I want the unpredictability. Ideally an equalish fight with some squaddies with me but if more bandits show up, cool. It's up to me to figure out how to deal with that. If more friendlies show up behind me and the numbers swing the other way, well, that's what happened.
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I'm not saying that HTC should implement everything or change the actual game itself all the time, but the complete lack of change despite tons of community feedback over the years is just as bad. There should always be continuing quality of life improvements, GUI improvements, new player experience improvements (tutorials, not easy mode), website improvements, etc. There's nothing, and that's driving away current customers and potential new customers.
Ingame tutorials is what I would be working on if I were him. DCS's tutorial missions crossed with the way most FPS games do their tutorial missions really looks to me like the way to do it. "Press <whatever is mapped> to start engine." The first time they get slow, "The warning buzzer means you are getting close to your stall speed." "If you get too slow, your plane will stall" the first time they stall. Etc etc.
I agree, gamers look for something that's showing constant development and stuff being added. I agree with you wholeheartedly about most of that, but fundamental gameplay IMO can't change terribly much without becoming something else entirely. It's not a perfect analogy, but it would be kind of like adding a piece to chess. It's not the same game anymore.
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Also please god no instant action like WT......understand the allure, short on time, do a couple matches, go do something else, but that would ruin a sandbox.
The problem is, sandbox is just not nearly as popular as instant action, which at the end of the day is what I think is the root of most peoples' complaints are in here. Planetside 2 numbers vs Counterstrike numbers. Orders of magnitude difference.
Then you factor in that with the exception of a couple of freaks like Lazer and Ernst, this game is pretty much unplayable on mouse and keyboard and it's not great on a gamepad. IMO you pretty much need a joystick which very few have as standard equipment. It's just not something the majority are willing to invest in.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: b4o2s9s on July 25, 2018, 01:46:12 PM
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Whether he's right or wrong is a matter of opinion, but on most of the big ones, he's outlined his logic why they haven't been done repeatedly.
Well that logic to shoot things down wasn't put into action to improve things either. That's what is confusing to me, the world has changed around AH but nobody seems to have taken notice. Their logic has led to almost NO changes, which is just as unhealthy as implementing tons of changes. Hence the serious decline in numbers. When player numbers went from 1,000 to 500, there should have been a serious call to action. I do agree that they should have somebody specifically for monitoring the forums, taking down ideas and explaining why some ideas are just bad. At this point though, I'm not sure they WANT to save it. When it was 1,000 players, they could afford to sit back and say "it's working fine." When they got down to these numbers, with players screaming on the forums for them to do something to get the game back, changes should have been made. Years ago.
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I disagree. Mainly because what a ton of people say they want, and what they actually want are very often two different things.
What I meant was this is a small community. Those other games are going through the opinions of many thousands of players. In AH, the forum community is considerably smaller, and it's not nearly as tough to sift through the opinions and ideas, whether they are good or bad.
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Ingame tutorials is what I would be working on if I were him.
Totally agree. Ultimately this thread is about improving the experience for newcomers so they are more inclined to stick around, and in-game tutorials would be a HUGE step. The youtube videos were a nice try, but with the UI the way it is, honestly I can't even hardly see them on my computer. Better just to have the game walk you through.
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I agree, gamers look for something that's showing constant development and stuff being added. I agree with you wholeheartedly about most of that, but fundamental gameplay IMO can't change terribly much without becoming something else entirely. It's not a perfect analogy, but it would be kind of like adding a piece to chess. It's not the same game anymore.
Agree there too, changing the fundamental gameplay would be an awful idea. There's just a ton of improvements that can be made to the UI, website, etc. that would make the game better for everyone, including the new players. Over the years, we've just dealt with it because we just enjoyed the game. At this point, we're just trying to save the game from going extinct.
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The problem is, sandbox is just not nearly as popular as instant action, which at the end of the day is what I think is the root of most peoples' complaints are in here. Planetside 2 numbers vs Counterstrike numbers. Orders of magnitude difference.
Not totally on with you there. Open world, sandbox style games are very popular. Elder Scrolls Online, Eve Online, World of Warcraft, Microsoft Flight Simulator/P3D/Xplane, Elite Dangerous, The Forest (littler known but fun), there are literally tons of popular and somewhat popular open world, sandbox environment games out there that have huge followings. I mean I agree the quick match stuff like WoT, Rocket League, League of Legends, etc. are all HUGE games, but there's still a large market for sandbox games. What seems to be missing in AH that every other sandbox game has is things to do other than PVP. Ya, you can go bomb enemy strats or take out a town with a tank which is more PVE (I guess?). There's no advancement, no material production, no monetary system, nothing of the sort. Which I'm fine with, it's a great game for flat out PVP, but I can't think of any other "sandbox" game out there that ONLY has PVP. So honestly I can't even consider AH a sandbox, since the only thing to do is blow things up. And I mean really, that's how it should be, it's a game about WWII stuff killing each other.
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Then you factor in that with the exception of a couple of freaks like Lazer and Ernst, this game is pretty much unplayable on mouse and keyboard and it's not great on a gamepad. IMO you pretty much need a joystick which very few have as standard equipment. It's just not something the majority are willing to invest in.
Most definitely, not even pretty much, you absolutely NEED a joystick. But let's be honest, you can buy a joystick for like $30, which is less than one meal at a restaurant. You can find them on craigslist for even cheaper. If someone doesn't want to spend $20-$30 on a joystick, why in the world are they looking at a flight simulator? A flight "game", ok-ish. A game that prides itself on realistic flight dynamics? Nah, no way.
Like I say, I'm really not trying to trash on the game, I had so much fun in the past, and I'm having some fun now. I want the game to stay around, and I really hope that coming together as a community can get things done. HTC, if you need help, let some members help! Something has to be done, and REALLY soon!
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: Wiley on July 25, 2018, 02:22:46 PM
Not totally on with you there. Open world, sandbox style games are very popular. Elder Scrolls Online, Eve Online, World of Warcraft, Microsoft Flight Simulator/P3D/Xplane, Elite Dangerous, The Forest (littler known but fun), there are literally tons of popular and somewhat popular open world, sandbox environment games out there that have huge followings.
Which is exactly why I mentioned Planetside 2. They aren't the same. That I know of, Planetside 2 is the ONLY other game whose gameplay is comparable to this one. It's very specific, it's open-world sandbox, real time combat, open-world PVP. The other open world games, most of them aren't real time combat and are PvE with zones that have PvP, or have a very tiny set of open world PvP servers. Elite Dangerous... kinda, but the universe is so large you can completely avoid other people, also there's a fair bit of stuff to do outside killing other players. Star Citizen may wind up qualifying as well, but it's the same deal as E:D with the bunch of stuff you'll be able to do other than blow other people up.
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Most definitely, not even pretty much, you absolutely NEED a joystick. But let's be honest, you can buy a joystick for like $30, which is less than one meal at a restaurant. You can find them on craigslist for even cheaper. If someone doesn't want to spend $20-$30 on a joystick, why in the world are they looking at a flight simulator? A flight "game", ok-ish. A game that prides itself on realistic flight dynamics? Nah, no way.
Or, they can play Brand X with their mouse and keyboard for free. Paying nothing is infinitely more attractive than paying anything.
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Like I say, I'm really not trying to trash on the game, I had so much fun in the past, and I'm having some fun now. I want the game to stay around, and I really hope that coming together as a community can get things done. HTC, if you need help, let some members help! Something has to be done, and REALLY soon!
And I mean no animosity towards you, but posts like this have been around since I joined the game, saying almost exactly the same things every time. As soon as numbers started to fall, all the stuff in this thread has been said, on pretty much a monthly or bi-monthly basis.
And every one after the first one was saying "something had to be done, and REALLY soon". ;) Again, no offense intended.
Wiley.
Title: Re: I love this game but no other game I play has me tabbing out to fill time in
Post by: b4o2s9s on July 25, 2018, 02:27:00 PM
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Again, no offense intended.
No offense taken! All in the interest of constructive conversation :salute