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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 0EAST33o on February 27, 2011, 11:55:58 PM
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i would like to know if you guys ever have heard people complain about team switchers. last night DMgod decieded to switch to bish so that the rest of hiz squad could destroy the 2 cv's that we were holding. if you guys are gonna do anything about this issue he would make a fine example...... it is not right that someone could just switch sides and let the rest of the country that he switched from know everything we are doing. i underdstand that it happens but to do it in the mannor that he did was just down right low. so dmgod maybe you could show some class and stay where ya belong, stop crying bout us holding cv's and play the game the right way.......
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Or your PM's in game? vEAST, you cannot have it both ways. :aok
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This is going to go badly...
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Did you just sign up on aceshigh to say this.
Yes, it's kinda of a cheating thing to do. We should put some Arena message to say not to do that or something.
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If you wonder where your lost CVs are, just ask on 200. Most of the time someone will tell ya. :D
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This is going to end badly.......
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DMGOD is a nancy :neener:
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Are you going to let a cartoon game get to you how ppl play it?
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lol like I said U guys hide cv's and take them out of play I PROMISE YOu ILL SINK THEM. CV's are for everybodys enjoyment.
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Yawn this one is getting old now
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Yawn this one is getting old now
I did not post it to make anyone happy or exited, I posted it to express my opinion of this thread.
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I did not post it to make anyone happy or exited, I posted it to express my opinion of this thread.
Don't bite - force him into using better bait if he's gonna troll he needs to either:
1)do it right
2)Let the pros do it
3)move out of the basement/man cave.
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oh so DM was teaching them a lesson... :noid
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Lol... HE WILL SINK THE CV!
...By cheating.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER!
Because denying DMGOD a CV makes him sad.
If you didn't kill the CV when you take the port it's your own damn fault.
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If you didn't kill the CV when you take the port it's your own damn fault.
I love sweeping (and mostly wrong) generalizations. :rolleyes:
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We all play by the same rules but this is a dumb exploit. Obviously it is not in the nature of the game to switch teams but still fight for your old one. I'm not one who complains every time someone switches countries, but this is the kind of crap guys are talking about when they have a problem with it.
People moan and groan about HO'ing, ack-hugging, running, and hording, but this is the epitome of lame.
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We all play by the same rules but this is a dumb exploit. Obviously it is not in the nature of the game to switch teams but still fight for your old one. I'm not one who complains every time someone switches countries, but this is the kind of crap guys are talking about when they have a problem with it.
People moan and groan about HO'ing, ack-hugging, running, and hording, but this is the epitome of lame.
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-Stealing a CV and hiding it 20 sectors away is just downright LAME!!!.
-It's NOT yours to own, its for freind and foe to utilize. No matter how hard you milkrunned that port to get it that far off the map.
-Your "dumb" exploit in the game is no exploit. He/they played within the parameters of the game. Its just you dont like it but deal with it. Its much more sporting to go through the effort of relaying cords of hidden CVs, up bombers for hours to the end of the map to sink them without getting intercepted...or miss from turning it. Much more sporting than you superduper NOE horde missions. Our epitome of lame.
-Twas me the other day in LWOH that switched to relay CV cordinates. I'll do it again, and agian and agian. Has nothing to do with chesspiece loyalty. In the future, Ill give you the info on 200 where any CV is hidden, just ask :aok
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If you didn't kill the CV when you take the port it's your own damn fault.
If you didnt up to intercept the CV killers (which most times you have all the time in the world too). It's YOUR own damn fault
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-Stealing a CV and hiding it 20 sectors away is just downright LAME!!!.
-It's NOT yours to own, its for freind and foe to utilize. No matter how hard you milkrunned that port to get it that far off the map.
-Your "dumb" exploit in the game is no exploit. He/they played within the parameters of the game. Its just you dont like it but deal with it. Its much more sporting to go through the effort of relaying cords of hidden CVs, up bombers for hours to the end of the map to sink them without getting intercepted...or miss from turning it. Much more sporting than you superduper NOE horde missions. Our epitome of lame.
-Twas me the other day in LWOH that switched to relay CV cordinates. I'll do it again, and agian and agian. Has nothing to do with chesspiece loyalty. In the future, Ill give you the info on 200 where any CV is hidden, just ask :aok
-I agree, but protecting the CV is a viable tactic until you can take the port. I would rather it be kept near rearward bases. However, the island maps are designed to be able to drive the CV virtually anywhere you want to. It is neither a cheat nor an exploit to move it out to open waters, it fits perfectly within the design of the game and the map.
-I fail to see a valid point. I hardly control CV's aside from doing maybe a turn or two to dodge bombers or shore guns. But anyway, don't try to pretend to be some honorable enforcer who's concerned about everybody's enjoyment in the game by putting a CV back in play. Again, removing a CV from the fight that will be turned over the the enemy if lost is a legitimate tactic.
-It is an exploit because it is a loophole that HTC has already tried to remedy. The whole "You can't switch countries again for another 59 minutes" thing was designed to thwart hopping back and forth between countries. The game was not designed to allow you to be able to view the enemy's maps but it is flawed. A real sporting effort would be to go out and find the ship the old fashioned way and sink it.
Aaaand here we go with the whole "Hurr durr vtards NOE horde all over undefended bases durp" crap again.
1. I don't like NOE. Nobody in the Brigade likes NOE. Just because you see a Devil in an NOE mission doesn't mean the Brigade planned or ran it. I can only remember one instance this ToD where we hid under the dar, and that was for half a sector. We still popped in time to climb (in ENABLED Radar) to at least 7-8K before we reached target. (I think we were using Dora's, 1A's, and Pony Bravo's because of ENY)
2. The most guys I can remember being on channel at any given time is about 12 (avg is 6-8). That is not a horde. We do find a lot of people that tag along if we're rolling bases and a horde develops, but what are we supposed to do? Tell them to "Go away! This is a V mission!"? I don't like hordes and I don't think they're fun to be a part of, but I'm not going to tell fellow Bish to bug off because the Nits and the Rookies cry if there's more than 20 Bish in a given sector.
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IMO switching to find a CV just as lame and dweeby as hiding the CV? Up a set of 234s go find it. Or better yet up a set of 29s. Enough ord if you miss, you can go for round 2-4.
Trust me I don't condone CV hiding. Put the CV in play, at the same time don't switch pretending be the "Im a saint doing it for the better of Aces High" type. If you want to do something to better Aces High, help a new guy in the TA, try to end political talk on 200, or sit down and just play the game.
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Land Grabber mentality just doesn't make sense to me these days...
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Its that countries CV, let them do with it as they please.
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Its that countries CV, let them do with it as they please.
When you move it 12 sectors deep...kinda takes it out of play for others on that country....just sayin
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Exactly Junky...pointless and dull.
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There is a point. The point is to protect the CV until you own the port. Once you own the port it's insurance if the CV gets destroyed. I'd rather see the CV be used (but more carefully), but it's not that hard to comprehend the logic behind keeping your cards close to your chest until you have the high ground.
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They Pay the Price
His Squadmade DMbulit lost 3 B29s bongboy shot 2 down in YakU folowed him till deep Rookland in 28k
I HO b29s in A8 and could catch them
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I agree taking a CV out of play is Lame....But cheating is cheating and there should be consequences
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Who "cheated"?
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When you move it 12 sectors deep...kinda takes it out of play for others on that country....just sayin
theres usually more than one CV....just sayin. And who's job is it to say whether it out of play or not? If its going 12 sectors out then someone wants it 12 sectors out. It's their $15 a month, let them do what they please with their CVs.
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Who "cheated"?
Whoa, brilliant argument. To "cheat" or "to be a cheat" can be acting as an impostor. Switching countries but fighting for your original country fits the bill. Any more rhetorical questions or are you actually going to pose a compelling argument?
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No argument needed. Some players like to deem CV's "theirs so don't touch it".
Sorry but you lose.
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As I have stated before, make country changes stay in effect for 30 days, no exceptions. It will not solve the problem, but it will make it more inconvenient.
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death to de spyzzz!!!
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whatever...one more piece of evidence that the main arenas are romper rooms...
i suppose the point behind this discussion is someone wants hitech come in and say "ok ya'll quit stealing each others toys, and play nice." :rolleyes:
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theres usually more than one CV....just sayin. And who's job is it to say whether it out of play or not? If its going 12 sectors out then someone wants it 12 sectors out. It's their $15 a month, let them do what they please with their CVs.
Hmmm. I've never commanded a CV, so I may be wrong, but I don't think the person who steers it to the end of the map have to actually stay on it during that run. So they aren't spending their $15.00 driving the CV for 12 sectors. I think he can lay the course and then go do something else. If that's True....
Then a fix might be that if the port for a CV was captured, and that CV group has no one on board, then it respawns at the captured port. This would force someone to spend their $15.00 by sitting on it, if that's how they want to spend their time, fine. But I think this would deter this CV hiding Business by forcing the person who is doing it to be out of action for as long as the CV is.
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--Twas me the other day ...
Haven't seen that word since the night before Christmas.
On the OP, people are going to pass info between sides. All sides do it. I don't. But people do.
On the tangent issue of hiding cvs, just say no. Use them for flight operations, as D.O.D. intended.
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No argument needed. Some players like to deem CV's "theirs so don't touch it".
Sorry but you lose.
Okay. No more word games with you. You've obviously given up. You go ahead and declare that I lose if that makes you feel better, might ease the sting of realizing you're a dolt.
And they call us "vtards" :rofl
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Hmmm. I've never commanded a CV, so I may be wrong, but I don't think the person who steers it to the end of the map have to actually stay on it during that run. So they aren't spending their $15.00 driving the CV for 12 sectors. I think he can lay the course and then go do something else. If that's True....
Then a fix might be that if the port for a CV was captured, and that CV group has no one on board, then it respawns at the captured port. This would force someone to spend their $15.00 by sitting on it, if that's how they want to spend their time, fine. But I think this would deter this CV hiding Business by forcing the person who is doing it to be out of action for as long as the CV is.
If that country wants to hide the CV let them. Its their CV. If HiTech didnt want CVs the option of being hidden then they would make it so the CV could go only so far away from land.
Edited: Stated HiTech, meaning the Staff of HiTech Creations
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If that country wants to hide the CV let them. Its their CV. If HiTech didnt want CVs the option of being hidden then he would make it so the CV could go but so far away from land.
Maybe, but I'd let HiTech speak for HiTech.
This ability to hide a CV seems like a side effect of the rules governing CV control. It also seems like an undesireable side effect. I propose a solution because as good as the HTC staff is, occationally somebody proposes something they didn't think of and they incorporate it. If I see a potential solution to a problem, I post it.
But let's stay focused on the idea for a second. To all the CV hiders....If you had to sit on the CV the whole time, would you still do it?
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Spy's were a real world Asset, OMG he switched sides, Spied and found the cv and had them sunk, Get over it this is just a game =]. I think HiTech needs a Tantrum forum for all of those who cant seem to keep it to them self's when something they don't like happens so I dont check the bbs only to find 20 new posts about this person did that or that person did this.
YOU choose to pay the $15 a month as much as the other guy, You know the consequences of playing this game should it be spying or ho'in It happens and oh yea did i mention the biggest shocker of all!
ITS A GAME.
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The simple and elegant solution would be to make every port uncapturable, thus making the CV uncapturable. As it is now, every country starts a map with the same number of ports and CV groups; let them keep 'em and maybe they'd be used as intended - to help capture/defend other bases.
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The issue here is NOT "countries wanting the CV's". It is a few people who are dictating "how the CV's are to be used".
Sadly, these players might as well play Battleship if they want hide CV's and not use the free assets.
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Outbreak, shush, coming in here with common sense, what you thinking of man?????
Right, thats settled, back to your argument gentlemen!!
Wurzel (popcorn ready, soft drink supplied, comfy chair ....and GO!!)
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Outbreak, shush, coming in here with common sense, what you thinking of man?????
Right, thats settled, back to your argument gentlemen!!
Wurzel (popcorn ready, soft drink supplied, comfy chair ....and GO!!)
oohh good Idea a chance to actually use 1 of them 8 bags of pop corn sitting in the cabinet :x
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The simple and elegant solution would be to make every port uncapturable, thus making the CV uncapturable. As it is now, every country starts a map with the same number of ports and CV groups; let them keep 'em and maybe they'd be used as intended - to help capture/defend other bases.
True Dot, but that would change the dynamic of having CV be captureable, and may not change folks hiding them. I don't think the problem is that they can be captured, because no seems to be complaining about that, just that they're being hidden.
But I'm just a spectator in this argument because I couldn't care less about CVs or Spies.
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I give this thread a perfect 10 :aok
Hide CV's spies find them then defend them against covert missions. Jolly exciting what :x:
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Agreed Vinkman, but I'm of the opinion that the CV groups get hidden because the armchair admirals are afraid they'll get captured - thus hurting their effort to "win teh warzez". If they can't be captured, there's no risk in having them sunk other than the time it would take to sail back to the front lines.
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lol like I said U guys hide cv's and take them out of play I PROMISE YOu ILL SINK THEM. CV's are for everybodys enjoyment.
I am rarely on the same page as DMGod, but way to go Sir! :rofl
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Spy's were a real world Asset, OMG he switched sides, Spied and found the cv and had them sunk, Get over it this is just a game =]. I think HiTech needs a Tantrum forum for all of those who cant seem to keep it to them self's when something they don't like happens so I dont check the bbs only to find 20 new posts about this person did that or that person did this.
YOU choose to pay the $15 a month as much as the other guy, You know the consequences of playing this game should it be spying or ho'in It happens and oh yea did i mention the biggest shocker of all!
ITS A GAME.
(http://goemaw.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/smiley_emoticons_my2cents.gif)
Spies were shot on sight in WWII. There's nothing you can do to stop spying in AH.
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Same here Way. I applaud DMG for what he did and wish others would too.
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Agreed Vinkman, but I'm of the opinion that the CV groups get hidden because the armchair admirals are afraid they'll get captured - thus hurting their effort to "win teh warzez". If they can't be captured, there's no risk in having them sunk other than the time it would take to sail back to the front lines.
I agree that's probably why most do it, but it might be a case of throwing out the baby with the bath water. I was trying to fix the 'hiding' side effect, without affecting anything else.
I think it's odd that someone can hide it, without having to stay on it and sacrifice their time. I think this was done so folks could steer the CV but take off and fly from it. The side effect is that you don't have to waste your time to sail it across the map.
So would you 'hiders' do it if you had to stay on it the whole time to keep it hidden?
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Seems like pretty lame behavior on both sides. Both perspectives are just gaming the game.
meh
Who really cares? :rolleyes:
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lol like I said U guys hide cv's and take them out of play I PROMISE YOu ILL SINK THEM. CV's are for everybodys enjoyment.
If you switched sides just to announced a CV's position, you should be .reported (taking away chat privs for a week) and shunned by the community.
It is really is a low life thing to do.
If a country wishes to hide a CV, it's their choice.
HiTech
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I agree that's probably why most do it, but it might be a case of throwing out the baby with the bath water. I was trying to fix the 'hiding' side effect, without affecting anything else.
I think it's odd that someone can hide it, without having to stay on it and sacrifice their time. I think this was done so folks could steer the CV but take off and fly from it. The side effect is that you don't have to waste your time to sail it across the map.
So would you 'hiders' do it if you had to stay on it the whole time to keep it hidden?
I stand corrected. Hiding it is not a side effect, it's strategy.
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like the two knit CV's in LWO there were at least 15 sectors from any unfriendly bases, totally out of game play even for us knits to use,who ever put them there to "hide" them was an idiot , the quickest way to bring them back into play would of been to destroy them, but there probally still sailing around cape horn as i speak
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I love sweeping (and mostly wrong) generalizations. :rolleyes:
How is this generalized OR wrong? Based on the OP, he switched sides to kill 2 of the CV's that they were hiding to keep them from respawning at the port that was taken. This is a common tactic. "Fine, they can have the port, but they sure as hell won't get a CV from it!" There is a reason people are yelling "KILL THE CV!!!" right after you take a port.
Particularly if this happened to the Bish last night in Orange; we were getting absolutely smashed on, removing enemy CV's from the picture could do nothing but relieve some of the pressure on our bases (there was red EVERYWHERE!!! :uhoh).
If you are speaking in the sense that they might have been hiding them just to hide them, then I might agree with you. But that was not my impression or the direction I was posting in at the time.
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If you switched sides just to announced a CV's position, you should be .reported (taking away chat privs for a week) and shunned by the community.
It is really is a low life thing to do.
If a country wishes to hide a CV, it's their choice.
HiTech
Well, teh big dog has spoken!
As for teh vTards being notorious at NOE Hordes, sheit, they're chump change, when it comes to that, and prolly we'ren't around back in the day when teh HORDE was ROOK, and the kings of NOE were the FB's, with Dredd usualy (but not always) being the ringleader, <<THOSE were the REAL NOE HORDES!
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If you switched sides just to announced a CV's position, you should be .reported (taking away chat privs for a week) and shunned by the community.
It is really is a low life thing to do.
If a country wishes to hide a CV, it's their choice.
HiTech
And this can be proven how?
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Well, teh big dog has spoken!
As for teh vTards being notorious at NOE Hordes, sheit, they're chump change, when it comes to that, and prolly we'ren't around back in the day when teh HORDE was ROOK, and the kings of NOE were the FB's!
The vTards hardly ever do NOE
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And this can be proven how?
He knows & for us to find out?
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And this can be proven how?
It can't. My thought is get ready for mass reports of "suspected" spies.... :uhoh
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He knows & for us to find out?
Perhaps I should have been more specific. How can it be proven that one was spying and it isn't just the whim of a squad going overboard with reports?
It can't. My thought is get ready for mass reports of "suspected" spies.... :uhoh
My thoughts exactly. It happens already. It's not know to be a mass report unless someone complains and the matter is looked into so either
A) It was a mass report and the reporters pay the price
B) t wasn't and one becomes a smacked ass
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It can't. My thought is get ready for mass reports of "suspected" spies.... :uhoh
That is ofcourse, if the person in question, doesn't open his yap about doin it.....
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i would like to know if you guys ever have heard people complain about team switchers. last night DMgod decieded to switch to bish so that the rest of hiz squad could destroy the 2 cv's that we were holding. if you guys are gonna do anything about this issue he would make a fine example...... it is not right that someone could just switch sides and let the rest of the country that he switched from know everything we are doing. i underdstand that it happens but to do it in the mannor that he did was just down right low. so dmgod maybe you could show some class and stay where ya belong, stop crying bout us holding cv's and play the game the right way.......
... and you went to the trouble of making a BBS account to whine about this?
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Trust me I don't condone CV hiding. Put the CV in play, at the same time don't switch pretending be the "Im a saint doing it for the better of Aces High" type. If you want to do something to better Aces High, help a new guy in the TA, try to end political talk on 200, or sit down and just play the game.
I agree.
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Same here Way. I applaud DMG for what he did and wish others would too.
Hiding the CV to keep it out of play and also preventing fellow country mates from using it is lame, so is switching sides and reporting the location of the CV. Both are just as retarded as the other.
ack-ack
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As for teh vTards being notorious at NOE Hordes, sheit, they're chump change, when it comes to that, and prolly we'ren't around back in the day when teh HORDE was ROOK, and the kings of NOE were the FB's, with Dredd usualy (but not always) being the ringleader, <<THOSE were the REAL NOE HORDES!
EDIT: Ah forget it. :bhead
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Hiding the CV to keep it out of play and also preventing fellow country mates from using it is lame, so is switching sides and reporting the location of the CV. Both are just as retarded as the other.
ack-ack
Do they then negate each other?
Does this mean that both of their transgressions are forgiven?
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Whoa, brilliant argument. To "cheat" or "to be a cheat" can be acting as an impostor. Switching countries but fighting for your original country fits the bill. Any more rhetorical questions or are you actually going to pose a compelling argument?
Don't confuse lame gameplay with the 'c'-word. It is lame to change sides and feed info to another country, as is having 2 accounts and using the AWACS clipboard to kill goons; however it is within the design parameters of the game. (as well as being historically accurate. (there were real spies in WW2)).
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Do they then negate each other?
Does this mean that both of their transgressions are forgiven?
What it really means is that neither really ever mattered and except for this purse fight, never will.
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Don't confuse lame gameplay with the 'c'-word. It is lame to change sides and feed info to another country, as is having 2 accounts and using the AWACS clipboard to kill goons; however it is within the design parameters of the game. (as well as being historically accurate. (there were real spies in WW2)).
I think I said this earlier but spies were shot on sight in WWII. You can't do that in this game.
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(there were real spies in WW2)
This is a poor argument. The "Powers on High" have repeatedly stated that Aces High is NOT a WW2 simulator.
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If you switched sides just to announced a CV's position, you should be .reported (taking away chat privs for a week) and shunned by the community.
What if DMGod is already being shunned by the community?
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This is a poor argument. The "Powers on High" have repeatedly stated that Aces High is NOT a WW2 simulator.
Correct that statement to read more precisely ,Aces High is not a simulation of WW2.
HiTech
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Correct that statement to read more precisely ,Aces High is not a simulation of WW2.
HiTech
You got it boss! :salute
This is a poor argument. The "Powers on High" have repeatedly stated that Aces High is NOT a simulation of WW2.
Definitely clearer wording, thanks.
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What if DMGod is already being shunned by the community?
:neener:
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Still wondering, since the big man is on and posting in this thread, how this can be proven and what will prevent mass reporting of someone?
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Imho (yea, I know, but here goes);
CV should not be able to roam independently but should require supply ships to occasionally steam out to resupply them. Even a CV without air operations still needs to be refueled from time to time, needs provisions for the crew, etc. In addition, the more air operations that are conducted, the more av-gas would need to be steamed to the CV group to keep the birds fueled up. At short distances, we can use the supply barges (which are already in the game) but at longer distances we can use ocean going cargo ships.
What would this accomplish? It would; allow hidden CVs to be found, create a strategic type of gameplay by hunting down those cargo ships, and overall create more play and targets for a bomber force which has little to do.
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h95000/h95560.jpg)
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Imho (yea, I know, but here goes);
CV should not be able to roam independently but should require supply ships to occasionally steam out to resupply them. Even a CV without air operations still needs to be refueled from time to time, needs provisions for the crew, etc. In addition, the more air operations that are conducted, the more av-gas would need to be steamed to the CV group to keep the birds fueled up. At short distances, we can use the supply barges (which are already in the game) but at longer distances we can use ocean going cargo ships.
What would this accomplish? It would; allow hidden CVs to be found, create a strategic type of gameplay by hunting down those cargo ships, and overall create more play and targets for a bomber force which has little to do.
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h95000/h95560.jpg)
Not bad. :aok
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Imho (yea, I know, but here goes);
CV should not be able to roam independently but should require supply ships to occasionally steam out to resupply them. Even a CV without air operations still needs to be refueled from time to time, needs provisions for the crew, etc. In addition, the more air operations that are conducted, the more av-gas would need to be steamed to the CV group to keep the birds fueled up. At short distances, we can use the supply barges (which are already in the game) but at longer distances we can use ocean going cargo ships.
What would this accomplish? It would; allow hidden CVs to be found, create a strategic type of gameplay by hunting down those cargo ships, and overall create more play and targets for a bomber force which has little to do.
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h95000/h95560.jpg)
That's a pretty cool idea Del! It solves the CV hiding problem AND adds something new to shoot at! +1
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This is DMGod were talking about if he speaks should we not listen. As said before and he doesn't try to hide it. He will change sides and give location of hidden cvs or sink them himself. I think he should get Medal of Honor for bravery. :old:
ANGELS10 :angel:
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Imho (yea, I know, but here goes);
CV should not be able to roam independently but should require supply ships to occasionally steam out to resupply them. Even a CV without air operations still needs to be refueled from time to time, needs provisions for the crew, etc. In addition, the more air operations that are conducted, the more av-gas would need to be steamed to the CV group to keep the birds fueled up. At short distances, we can use the supply barges (which are already in the game) but at longer distances we can use ocean going cargo ships.
What would this accomplish? It would; allow hidden CVs to be found, create a strategic type of gameplay by hunting down those cargo ships, and overall create more play and targets for a bomber force which has little to do.
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h95000/h95560.jpg)
Not bad (for someone that has the buzzing of two engines in their ears all the time)
I also, will sink CV's that are hidden as Vilkas has a fondness for them although I will usually do this myself.
Hiding CV's is like popping the basketball (soccer, kickball, etc) so the other kids in recess can't play with it while you go to lunch.
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So what did we learn today class? First, if you see your countries CV heading off into nowhere land, take command and direct it back to the fight. Second, if you have a strong case of treason, report them by whining about it on the forums :devil :noid
BTW, remember this is a game, take the time to enjoy it, probably less heartburn that way. :aok :salute
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Still wondering, since the big man is on and posting in this thread, how this can be proven and what will prevent mass reporting of someone?
HE KNOWS, and he's not gonna tell you, HOW HE KNOWS, either! :noid
{edit} I'll give you a hint! You know they have LOGS for scenarios, right?! What, you think the MAINS don't have LOGS?! :O
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Still wondering, since the big man is on and posting in this thread, how this can be proven and what will prevent mass reporting of someone?
I was late to realize this myself, but we could all act like grown ups, or at least, with courtesy and ethics towards alleged transgressors.
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Personally, I'd rather have HTC working on more planes, tanks, ships, maps, skin rotations than having to go through logs to find a guy that switched because he's being a jackwagon and sinking CVs.
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HE KNOWS, and he's not gonna tell you, HOW HE KNOWS, either! :noid
{edit} I'll give you a hint! You know they have LOGS for scenarios, right?! What, you think the MAINS don't have LOGS?! :O
Here is another "hint".
I have cell phone number's for squadmates.
I'm sure I'm not the only one in-game that has squaddies cell numbers.
in < 10 seconds, a mass text to all squad members can be sent.
How well are the logs gonna stop or record that?
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...Cell phone logs?
But honestly... If you're texting your squad mates the position of enemy carriers...
...You potentially could need to go outside for a bit...
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...Cell phone logs?
But honestly... If you're texting your squad mates the position of enemy carriers...
...You potentially could need to go outside for a bit...
Just saying...
Squelching them for a week would not stop someone that is determined.
Determined folks are.... well...... determined.
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This epic thread has been brought to you by the letter B and the number 7.
:neener:
As opposed to CV hiding I think CV creative writing and waypoint art are more appealing.
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This epic thread has been brought to you by the letter B and the number 7.
:neener:
As opposed to CV hiding I think CV creative writing and waypoint art are more appealing.
So you are the guy that has been writing "bacon" with CV waypoints?
I'll bet you are hiding all of the sheep, too...
:noid
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Here is another "hint".
I have cell phone number's for squadmates.
I'm sure I'm not the only one in-game that has squaddies cell numbers.
in < 10 seconds, a mass text to all squad members can be sent.
How well are the logs gonna stop or record that?
Uhm, if you are a member of a squad that is KNOWN to be side A (or known to be a player of said side), and are seen playin side B or C (roster busted you out), HELLO MR OBVIOUS!
For all those dumb@sees that think they have the "perfect" way of cheating, HT has ways of catching you, they've been doin this awhile now, ya know!!
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So you are the guy that has been writing "bacon" with CV waypoints?
I'll bet you are hiding all of the sheep, too...
:noid
No I always run out of waypoints trying to write "Hi". I'm not that talented. But seeing "vote for pedro" written in waypoints always gives me a chuckle.
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Uhm, if you are a member of a squad that is KNOWN to be side A (or known to be a player of said side), and are seen playin side B or C (roster busted you out), HELLO MR OBVIOUS!
For all those dumb@sees that think they have the "perfect" way of cheating, HT has ways of catching you, they've been doin this awhile now, ya know!!
Muting me for a week due to circumstantial evidence or a mass reporting would be the quickest way for a company to lose my business. Unless it can be proven, there is a word for it.
Heresay: (n) the testimony given by a witness who relates not what is known personally but what others have stated.
What if I was on a different country than normal, switched only 10 minutes ago, 5 squaddies just logged on and now I have 50 minutes to wait?
What if I logged in on another country, sent a text to squaddies and logged off for another hour while they obliterated all of the CV's I called out?
The list of excuses/scenarios could be endless and I really do not feel compelled to trade volleys about the innumerable amount of ways that this situation could happen or be defended against.
Ever hear the saying "Locks are only meant to keep honest people out" ?
I would wager that if CV's didn't get hidden, there would be nobody switching sides to sink them or report their locations.
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This is a poor argument. The "Powers on High" have repeatedly stated that Aces High is NOT a WW2 simulator.
From the Main Page: "Welcome to the Best WW2 and WW1 Combat Experience Online!"
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Muting me for a week due to circumstantial evidence or a mass reporting would be the quickest way for a company to lose my business. Unless it can be proven, there is a word for it.
Heresay: (n) the testimony given by a witness who relates not what is known personally but what others have stated.
What if I was on a different country than normal, switched only 10 minutes ago, 5 squaddies just logged on and now I have 50 minutes to wait?
What if I logged in on another country, sent a text to squaddies and logged off for another hour while they obliterated all of the CV's I called out?
The list of excuses/scenarios could be endless and I really do not feel compelled to trade volleys about the innumerable amount of ways that this situation could happen or be defended against.
Ever hear the saying "Locks are only meant to keep honest people out" ?
I would wager that if CV's didn't get hidden, there would be nobody switching sides to sink them or report their locations.
Dude, if you're arguing "that cheating is ok", cause they can't possibly catch everybody doin it, you'll get no respect from me (or most likely anybody else for that matter)!
And like I said, if ya think ya got the perfect way to do it, go for it, but don't whine when they bust/ban you for doin it!
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From the Main Page: "Welcome to the Best WW2 and WW1 Combat Experience Online!"
Your point?
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It makes perfect sense from a strategic standpoint to move the CV into safe waters if you do not own the port. Keeping it "in play" will just get it sunk and your country loses the CV to the enemy. Let me restate, it makes absolutely zero sense from a strategic standpoint to keep the CV in play.
This entire thread is just a furballers vs win the war's never resolving argument in disguise. Furballers think the war is stupid and have no respect for the win the war guys right to play their way, within the parameters of the game, so they break the rules to get even.
You have to take the good with the bad, furballers. The war creates lots of fun in the MA. Do you like engaging bomber formations, missions, and defending bases against attackers trying to capture the base? If so, then you do enjoy the war aspect of the game. To cry about certain negatives of it that aren't to your likings yet eating the rest up with a spoon is hypocritical, and you should just go over to furball lake and fly in the endless furball. No bombers, no base capture, no strategy, nothing but fighting endlessly to your heart's content. If that sounds boring, then you are really just fooling yourself of what the MA is really about.
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It makes perfect sense from a strategic standpoint to move the CV into safe waters if you do not own the port. Keeping it "in play" will just get it sunk and your country loses the CV to the enemy. Let me restate, it makes absolutely zero sense from a strategic standpoint to keep the CV in play.
This entire thread is just a furballers vs win the war's never resolving argument in disguise. Furballers think the war is stupid and have no respect for the win the war guys right to play their way, within the parameters of the game, so they break the rules to get even.
You have to take the good with the bad, furballers. The war creates lots of fun in the MA. Do you like engaging bomber formations, missions, and defending bases against attackers trying to capture the base? If so, then you do enjoy the war aspect of the game. To cry about certain negatives of it that aren't to your likings yet eating the rest up with a spoon is hypocritical, and you should just go over to furball lake and fly in the endless furball. No bombers, no base capture, no strategy, nothing but fighting endlessly to your heart's content. If that sounds boring, then you are really just fooling yourself of what the MA is really about.
I agree the "war winners" can and do generate many awesome confrontations, although I draw a line with regards to the "cherry/vulch" brigades !
Then again I'm a fan of fighting against the 'cherry/vulch" brigades, so WTF do I know? :)
JUGgler
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It makes perfect sense from a strategic standpoint to move the CV into safe waters if you do not own the port. Keeping it "in play" will just get it sunk and your country loses the CV to the enemy. Let me restate, it makes absolutely zero sense from a strategic standpoint to keep the CV in play.
This entire thread is just a furballers vs win the war's never resolving argument in disguise. Furballers think the war is stupid and have no respect for the win the war guys right to play their way, within the parameters of the game, so they break the rules to get even.
You have to take the good with the bad, furballers. The war creates lots of fun in the MA. Do you like engaging bomber formations, missions, and defending bases against attackers trying to capture the base? If so, then you do enjoy the war aspect of the game. To cry about certain negatives of it that aren't to your likings yet eating the rest up with a spoon is hypocritical, and you should just go over to furball lake and fly in the endless furball. No bombers, no base capture, no strategy, nothing but fighting endlessly to your heart's content. If that sounds boring, then you are really just fooling yourself of what the MA is really about.
How do we handle hybrid players such as myself in this argument? I'll grab land to start fights and when they stop fighting I'll grab more land until a good fight erupts again. I do despise true furballs as they are too static in nature and drumming up my own fights are fun from beginning to end. I guess you can call me a fur-grabber (chuckle). So taking a CV out of the action does not sit well with me as it is a resource to start fights and or grab land depending on the enemies response or lack thereof.
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Your point?
Was obvious.
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It makes perfect sense from a strategic standpoint to move the CV into safe waters if you do not own the port. Keeping it "in play" will just get it sunk and your country loses the CV to the enemy. Let me restate, it makes absolutely zero sense from a strategic standpoint to keep the CV in play.
Of course it makes no sense if you're hiding it before the port is take, right?
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Boy I cannot wait to take command of friendly cvs and bring them to a fight wheni wanna or take the friendly cvs n bring them waYYYYY AWAY!!! lol
this is the most epic whine i say :aok
<S> greens
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Of course it makes no sense if you're hiding it before the port is take, right?
Idk, if they feel that the port capture is immenent then I don't see why not. I wouldn't call it "CV hiding" so much as "CV relocating" to safe waters.
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Dude, if you're arguing "that cheating is ok", cause they can't possibly catch everybody doin it, you'll get no respect from me (or most likely anybody else for that matter)!
And like I said, if ya think ya got the perfect way to do it, go for it, but don't whine when they bust/ban you for doin it!
I did not say that at all. I am, however, playing Devil's advocate.
My argument is that for every measure, there is a countermeasure.
It will be that way in every aspect of life until doomsday.
People will always find a way to beat the mousetrap. There will also be those that whine endlessly about how someone "cheated" rather than admit that their own tactics were less-than Patton-esque.
It is even funnier when they come to the BBS to do it and, on top of it, act like it was "theirs" or they paid for it... :rofl
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If you hide a cv 20 sectors away I think nothing of it to go to that side and find that cv. I will do it every time. Call me what you will.
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I did not say that at all. I am, however, playing Devil's advocate.
My argument is that for every measure, there is a countermeasure.
It will be that way in every aspect of life until doomsday.
People will always find a way to beat the mousetrap. There will also be those that whine endlessly about how someone "cheated" rather than admit that their own tactics were less-than Patton-esque.
It is even funnier when they come to the BBS to do it and, on top of it, act like it was "theirs" or they paid for it... :rofl
You are trying to argue thieves will always be with us, therefore we should just let them steal all they want.
Point is if DMGOD comes here and would say directly instead of insinuating he changed sides and told his old country where the CV was, I would mute him myself.
If anyone who received information of where the CV was would report it, again a mute would occur of the person abusing the sytem.
Just because some can fall threw the cracks does not mean it should be tolerated .
HiTech
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:devil
personally I would never do somthing like get a cv sunk in the name of furballing and pissing the "generals" off.
:devil
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Your point?
Was obvious.
It is a game that utilizes WWII aircraft, vehicles, weapons, and tactics; but it does not simulate WWII.
It is a game that is using things from WWII.
I think HT himself said something to this degree at one point, I may be mistaken.
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It is a game that utilizes WWII aircraft, vehicles, weapons, and tactics; but it does not simulate WWII.
It is a game that is using things from WWII.
I think HT himself said something to this degree at one point, I may be mistaken.
Right here:
Correct that statement to read more precisely ,Aces High is not a simulation of WW2.
HiTech
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It makes perfect sense from a strategic standpoint to move the CV into safe waters if you do not own the port. Keeping it "in play" will just get it sunk and your country loses the CV to the enemy. Let me restate, it makes absolutely zero sense from a strategic standpoint to keep the CV in play.
This entire thread is just a furballers vs win the war's never resolving argument in disguise. Furballers think the war is stupid and have no respect for the win the war guys right to play their way, within the parameters of the game, so they break the rules to get even.
You have to take the good with the bad, furballers. The war creates lots of fun in the MA. Do you like engaging bomber formations, missions, and defending bases against attackers trying to capture the base? If so, then you do enjoy the war aspect of the game. To cry about certain negatives of it that aren't to your likings yet eating the rest up with a spoon is hypocritical, and you should just go over to furball lake and fly in the endless furball. No bombers, no base capture, no strategy, nothing but fighting endlessly to your heart's content. If that sounds boring, then you are really just fooling yourself of what the MA is really about.
OMG!
Who the H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks ARE YOU....and what have you done to grizz??????
:lol
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This thread is another fine example why a max life span of a CV without it's corresponding port could make sense ;)
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You are trying to argue thieves will always be with us, therefore we should just let them steal all they want.
Point is if DMGOD comes here and would say directly instead of insinuating he changed sides and told his old country where the CV was, I would mute him myself.
If anyone who received information of where the CV was would report it, again a mute would occur of the person abusing the sytem.
Just because some can fall threw the cracks does not mean it should be tolerated .
HiTech
I switched sides and reported where the cv was. I'll take my mute I'm ok with it (not the 1st time). I gotta tell you that I am a lil disappointed with ur response HItech. I was under the impression that u were on the "promote combat" side. In my opinion hiding a cv takes away from combat and takes away from others game play. I think it is a poor decision to allow a couple of players to dictate how a couple of hundred players play.
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This thread is another fine example why a max life span of a CV without it's corresponding port could make sense ;)
ZOMAGAWD Lusche. Making sense here will get you hung! I like it. +1
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Im no expert but all the shows and movies ive seen on the military channel and other channels about WWII have never shown anyone moving and hiding the cv. What would have happened if we did that at midway or Pearl ?
Hiding the cv just takes another yet fun aspect out of the picture so all we have left is hos and hordes.
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Im no expert but all the shows and movies ive seen on the military channel and other channels about WWII have never shown anyone moving and hiding the cv. What would have happened if we did that at midway or Pearl ?
Hiding the cv just takes another yet fun aspect out of the picture so all we have left is hos and hordes.
Umm Midway and pearl were all about hiding :)
Just saying
JUGgler
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You are trying to argue thieves will always be with us, therefore we should just let them steal all they want.
HiTech
That is half correct. There will always be thieves in the world. I am not saying to let them "steal all they want". What I AM saying, however
There is no theft of property, real or intellectual, and therefore I doubt one could really call it "stealing" Being an unsportsmanlike, screwing the players, or just plain being an bellybutton may be more accurate.
What I am saying is something that you have already stated, yourself ...
Point is if DMGOD comes here and would say directly instead of insinuating he changed sides and told his old country where the CV was, I would mute him myself.
HiTech
He won't say it himself so therefore, without proof (logs, screenshots, film, blatant confession) you would be pissing up a rope to mute anyone without proof. I am not saying it is not your right, just that it would not be very productive. It would be more like a witch hunt.
Proof is always asked for when complaints are made on this board or to the HTC front office, itself. The cries of "Film?, Screenshot?" abound.
If anyone who received information of where the CV was would report it, again a mute would occur of the person abusing the sytem.
HiTech
Without proof? If that is the case, I will log on, right now at work and report him for it. Personally, I am not fond of the SOB myself and if that is the case, I'm on my way to the MA now. :D
So, I really am not saying that just because someone can exploit the cracks in the system that they should be tolerated. What I am saying is that a "shoot first, ask questions later" approach is not always good for business either. There are more than a few squads in this game that will blindly do whatever the person in charge asks them to do, just like lemmings, to include a mass report of someone if they do not like them. Are you really going to go and dissect every incident to make sure it is a legitimate gripe? Is this what you want to spend your time time doing? Is this what you want to be paying your staff to do, refereeing pissing contests in the schoolyard?
EDIT: I stand corrected, he actually did admit it. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong :aok
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I switched sides and reported where the cv was. I'll take my mute I'm ok with it (not the 1st time). I gotta tell you that I am a lil disappointed with ur response HItech. I was under the impression that u were on the "promote combat" side. In my opinion hiding a cv takes away from combat and takes away from others game play. I think it is a poor decision to allow a couple of players to dictate how a couple of hundred players play.
I actually agree with DMG!! :bolt: before I get hit with the stick, too.
Really though. I see hiding a CV several sectors away from any action comparable to running away from a fight for several sectors, diving and hiding in the ack, flying over Wirbles to kill that bad guy on your six pr something of that flavor. Is it smart flying in order to stay alive? Maybe. Is it "right"? Who knows. Is it gutless? YES!
Just my 2 cents
NOTE: "gutless" isn't really the word I was looking for, but you get the point
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EDIT: I stand corrected, he actually did admit it. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong :aok
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I don't think I'm wrong for what I did. And on another note I am rather fond of you myself
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I don't think I'm wrong for what I did. And on another note I am rather fond of you myself
Well.......... OK.
But you'll have to buy me dinner, first (and some drinks).
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I switched sides and reported where the cv was. I'll take my mute I'm ok with it (not the 1st time). I gotta tell you that I am a lil disappointed with ur response HItech. I was under the impression that u were on the "promote combat" side. In my opinion hiding a cv takes away from combat and takes away from others game play. I think it is a poor decision to allow a couple of players to dictate how a couple of hundred players play.
lol @ "promoting combat"
Switching countries so he doesn't have risk a plane scouting for a CV :lol
I'm sure he'll be "promoting combat" when he has his CV back.
And another lol for "a poor decision to allow a couple of players dictate how a couple of hundred players play". That rule doesn't count if it's a couple of DM's undermining the principles of the game to take a boat from a hundred players.
He'll be the master of the art of having cakes and eating them too if he keeps this up. And all the while he pretends that he does these things on principle, because he's actually concerned about everyone else's fun :rofl
(http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy170/gnpatent/ohwow.jpg)
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lol @ "promoting combat"
Switching countries so he doesn't have risk a plane scouting for a CV :lol
I'm sure he'll be "promoting combat" when he has his CV back.
And another lol for "a poor decision to allow a couple of players dictate how a couple of hundred players play". That rule doesn't count if it's a couple of DM's undermining the principles of the game to take a boat from a hundred players.
He'll be the master of the art of having cakes and eating them too if he keeps this up. And all the while he pretends that he does these things on principle, because he's actually concerned about everyone else's fun :rofl
(http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy170/gnpatent/ohwow.jpg)
And these 100 players are doing what with a CV that is 5-10 sectors behind any front line action? Playing hide the salami?
Better yet, I'd rather not know what brand of fun a bunch of lonely sailors are having, way out in the middle of nowhere...
:noid
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I switched sides and reported where the cv was. I'll take my mute I'm ok with it (not the 1st time). I gotta tell you that I am a lil disappointed with ur response HItech. I was under the impression that u were on the "promote combat" side.
There is a big difference between condoning game play that "promotes combat" and condoning game play that promotes retarded behavior. HiTech just stated that he's in favor of the former and will slap around those guilty of the latter.
In my opinion hiding a cv takes away from combat and takes away from others game play. I think it is a poor decision to allow a couple of players to dictate how a couple of hundred players play.
So you decided to act and dictate how others play because they weren't playing like how you wanted them to play. Do you knew the definition of a hypocrit because from where I'm standing, you're a shining example of one.
ack-ack
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Im no expert but all the shows and movies ive seen on the military channel and other channels about WWII have never shown anyone moving and hiding the cv. What would have happened if we did that at midway or Pearl ?
When you don't know your history, don't try and use history to prove a point.
ack-ack
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See Rule #4
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Im no expert but all the shows and movies ive seen on the military channel and other channels about WWII have never shown anyone moving and hiding the cv. What would have happened if we did that at midway or Pearl ?
Hiding the cv just takes another yet fun aspect out of the picture so all we have left is hos and hordes.
We also didn't hand over the keys to our CV's just because their port got bombed so it's not a very effective analogy. I don't condone CV hiding, I think it's a bad practice, use them, take the port back, etc. That being said I don't see how one person's bad behavior is a suitable justification for more bad behavior.
Historical CV operations, were always governed by risk/reward. Especially early in the war, the Doolittle raid was launched much earlier and further away than planned because they thought the task force was detected. The navy pulled it's support from the Guadalcanal invasion after only a day or two in the area, effectively stranding the marines there w/out their full compliment of supply because of the risk of air attack, an early raid on Rabaul was likewise scrubbed because the CV was detected early. The stakes were just a wee bit different back then.
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I actually agree with DMG!! :bolt: before I get hit with the stick, too.
Really though. I see hiding a CV several sectors away from any action comparable to running away from a fight for several sectors, diving and hiding in the ack, flying over Wirbles to kill that bad guy on your six pr something of that flavor. Is it smart flying in order to stay alive? Maybe. Is it "right"? Who knows. Is it gutless? YES!
Just my 2 cents
NOTE: "gutless" isn't really the word I was looking for, but you get the point
So, you'll be handing over the CV, the next time a port gets taken away from you then?! :huh
Yeeeah, Rrright! :rolleyes:
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To be very honest about it, I could really care less about the CV's.
There are no German carrier aircraft, so therefore they are fairly useless to me.
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I wonder how hard it would be to program in a message for the server to give out the last sector location of a CV when that particular port gets taken? Something like "P100 has been captured by the Rooks. Captured documents show the last location of CV101 to be 12,4." Then it is up to the capturing side to go after it. They would still have an entire sector to search.
Just an idea.
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Im no expert but all the shows and movies ive seen on the military channel and other channels about WWII have never shown anyone moving and hiding the cv. What would have happened if we did that at midway or Pearl ?
The Germans would have surely invaded.
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I don't know why I haven't thought of this before. :headscratch:
It makes perfect sense now. One of these with appropriate sonar range. I doubt if anything would stand the chance of surviving long enough to be hidden.
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/2chilli_photos/sub-1.jpg)
Plus, it will be much more fun hiding her....... and much easier :lol
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I wonder how hard it would be to program in a message for the server to give out the last sector location of a CV when that particular port gets taken? Something like "P100 has been captured by the Rooks. Captured documents show the last location of CV101 to be 12,4." Then it is up to the capturing side to go after it. They would still have an entire sector to search.
Just an idea.
Captured documents??? :noid
I like it.
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I wonder how hard it would be to program in a message for the server to give out the last sector location of a CV when that particular port gets taken? Something like "P100 has been captured by the Rooks. Captured documents show the last location of CV101 to be 12,4." Then it is up to the capturing side to go after it. They would still have an entire sector to search.
Just an idea.
I like that too! Way to think creatively!
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See Rule #4
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OK,I just want to get this strait, I'm trying to learn a new way to play here.
So if I log on and some little "general" has decided for what ever reason that the CVs he has tucked away in the corner of the map are going to stay there, and he has the "rank" to back this up, it's OK for him to do that, even tho I'm paying the same $15 he is.
On the other hand if I report the location of these same CVs to the other country I get muted, right?
Ok, ........walks away just shaking his head
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(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/2chilli_photos/sub-1.jpg) (http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm46/lhmalkp/fish2.gif) No bites today.
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So if I log on and some little "general" has decided for what ever reason that the CVs he has tucked away in the corner of the map are going to stay there, and he has the "rank" to back this up, it's OK for him to do that, even tho I'm paying the same $15 he is.
Yes.
On the other hand if I report the location of these same CVs to the other country I get muted, right?
Yes again. Or worse.
Now that we're all on the same page, let's move on ...
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I switched sides and reported where the cv was. I'll take my mute I'm ok with it (not the 1st time). I gotta tell you that I am a lil disappointed with ur response HItech. I was under the impression that u were on the "promote combat" side. In my opinion hiding a cv takes away from combat and takes away from others game play. I think it is a poor decision to allow a couple of players to dictate how a couple of hundred players play.
+.995
There 'might' be something wrong with what you did - but I can't think of it now....
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So, you'll be handing over the CV, the next time a port gets taken away from you then?! :huh
That would be correct. The "bad guys" can have the port, the CV, and any other base they want. I'll still fly and die the same as before :aok
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How about this, a 60 minute clock starts if no activity comes off the "hidden" cv. Then it respawns to the owning country. Just a thought.
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OK,I just want to get this strait, I'm trying to learn a new way to play here.
So if I log on and some little "general" has decided for what ever reason that the CVs he has tucked away in the corner of the map are going to stay there, and he has the "rank" to back this up, it's OK for him to do that, even tho I'm paying the same $15 he is.
On the other hand if I report the location of these same CVs to the other country I get muted, right?
Ok, ........walks away just shaking his head
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Ps lol my chat and voice privs have been suspended
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How about this, a 60 minute clock starts if no activity comes off the "hidden" cv. Then it respawns to the owning country. Just a thought.
Nope. You must capture any airfield to get it back. A CV is no different.
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If you switched sides just to announced a CV's position, you should be .reported (taking away chat privs for a week) and shunned by the community.
It is really is a low life thing to do.
If a country wishes to hide a CV, it's their choice.
HiTech
:aok
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You are trying to argue thieves will always be with us, therefore we should just let them steal all they want.
Point is if DMGOD comes here and would say directly instead of insinuating he changed sides and told his old country where the CV was, I would mute him myself.
If anyone who received information of where the CV was would report it, again a mute would occur of the person abusing the sytem.
Just because some can fall threw the cracks does not mean it should be tolerated .
HiTech
I have to disagree here. And I dont think this is fair to some of the players.
Majority of us dont make AH our full time jobs. Just because some desktop commando decides to hide tools of the game that some like to use means that the others have to suffer?
Chances are when they pulled that cv so far off the map, it means they did so when no one cared and now that they want to fight for it back we cant go within the parameters of the game to access it?
Think about it....
So you get the grid of the CV from a spy..big deal
A) Now you have the option of flying for hours in bombers and by that time, the CV potentialy moved another sector off the map
B) You can spot that formation's dar wayyyy before the even arrive, being able to intercept them if you really really care to save your cv.
C) CV gets turned like a corkscrew thus wasting all that time.
If someone wants to go through all that hassle with all those disadvantages, then why condone such behavior?
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You are trying to argue thieves will always be with us, therefore we should just let them steal all they want.
Point is if DMGOD comes here and would say directly instead of insinuating he changed sides and told his old country where the CV was, I would mute him myself.
If anyone who received information of where the CV was would report it, again a mute would occur of the person abusing the sytem.
Just because some can fall threw the cracks does not mean it should be tolerated .
HiTech
And I would argue that desperate players in desperate times come up with desperate measures. In this case, a map so large in LWO whith such vast stretches of nothingness between a vast majority of the opposing bases and fronts (already spread far and very thin thanks to ports that are just V-hangers) that the factor of weather or not one or multiple CVs are intentionaly or unintentionaly moved such vast distances out of play that the whole momentum and "fun factor" of the war and battle comes to an agonizing drawn-out standstill.
I'm on the fence with this one, simpley because I can't unbiasedly decide between a country's right to do with their own CVs that they wish and a single players ability to pork the momentum and gameplay of an entire map and all participating players. If I am to understand correctly that DMGod did this on the current LWO map recently, then I'm more in favor of giving him a cookie just because the map has become so slow that I'm sure whoever's CVs he sunk and reset led to more action and gameplay in the arena for all than had he done nothing at all. Banning or muting him, in this light, would do nothing but make him a martyr to those of us who either feel the map desperatley needed some stimulation or who believe individual players often ruin the potential for enjoyment for many. But I think this community would agree though, he's not a martyr, and what he did jsut proves he's a snot-nosed "look at me" dweeb.
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The side wanting to hide their CV ought not hide it on the far side of the Earth, maybe just a couple of sectors away. This would allow the country the ability to employee it somewhat speedily yet keeping it out of immediate harms way. By keeping it hid so far out of "game play" encourages the type of response noted above, (that is switching to find and sink it) IMHO.
Nutz
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Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I said if a COUNTRY wishes to hide a CV not 1 individual.
Also if anyone here really can not see that it is unacceptable to look at someones cards while playing a game, then they should be sent back to kindergarten.
HiTech
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i would like to know if you guys ever have heard people complain about team switchers. last night DMgod decieded to switch to bish so that the rest of hiz squad could destroy the 2 cv's that we were holding. if you guys are gonna do anything about this issue he would make a fine example...... it is not right that someone could just switch sides and let the rest of the country that he switched from know everything we are doing. i underdstand that it happens but to do it in the mannor that he did was just down right low. so dmgod maybe you could show some class and stay where ya belong, stop crying bout us holding cv's and play the game the right way.......
Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I said if a COUNTRY wishes to hide a CV not 1 individual.
Also if anyone here really can not see that it is unacceptable to look at someones cards while playing a game, then they should be sent back to kindergarten.
HiTech
Lame either way you look at it. Period. Let me be clear, Hiding them is lame, not the act of tyring to bring them back into the game, and certainly not justified to hide them no matter who owns the port.
Should be more of DMgod type of players that are willing to do just that, bring it back into the fight, I would do it too and have.
Seems to be more and more reward for the horde.
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It makes perfect sense from a strategic standpoint to move the CV into safe waters if you do not own the port. Keeping it "in play" will just get it sunk and your country loses the CV to the enemy. Let me restate, it makes absolutely zero sense from a strategic standpoint to keep the CV in play.
This entire thread is just a furballers vs win the war's never resolving argument in disguise. Furballers think the war is stupid and have no respect for the win the war guys right to play their way, within the parameters of the game, so they break the rules to get even.
You have to take the good with the bad, furballers. The war creates lots of fun in the MA. Do you like engaging bomber formations, missions, and defending bases against attackers trying to capture the base? If so, then you do enjoy the war aspect of the game. To cry about certain negatives of it that aren't to your likings yet eating the rest up with a spoon is hypocritical, and you should just go over to furball lake and fly in the endless furball. No bombers, no base capture, no strategy, nothing but fighting endlessly to your heart's content. If that sounds boring, then you are really just fooling yourself of what the MA is really about.
Just a thought, so please don't clobber me guys :).
Take the WWI arena, substitute WWII aircraft and viola, furballers heaven! Just think about it, no CV's to sink, no towns to bomb,(hell, no buffs) no bases to capture, no gv's and no war to win. Just furball till ya drop!
Nutz
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Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I said if a COUNTRY wishes to hide a CV not 1 individual.
Also if anyone here really can not see that it is unacceptable to look at someones cards while playing a game, then they should be sent back to kindergarten.
HiTech
wasnt a country was a couple of players. Just sayin.
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There is a point. The point is to protect the CV until you own the port. Once you own the port it's insurance if the CV gets destroyed. I'd rather see the CV be used (but more carefully), but it's not that hard to comprehend the logic behind keeping your cards close to your chest until you have the high ground.
You and I don't agree here at all. A Carrier in the game IMO should be used as an offensive weapon to hit where airbased planes have a harder time getting to. Don't want to lose the port? pork ords....taking it out of play is pointless.
Snail has the right idea....45 minute timer maybe after a port gets taken that CV automatically goes to the person who owns the port.
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wasnt a country was a couple of players. Just sayin.
Would not the players of that country sort that type cheeeeeesy game play out soon enough, or just not soon enough for you?
Word of the moment "integrity"
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You and I don't agree here at all. A Carrier in the game IMO should be used as an offensive weapon to hit where airbased planes have a harder time getting to. Don't want to lose the port? pork ords....taking it out of play is pointless.
Snail has the right idea....45 minute timer maybe after a port gets taken that CV automatically goes to the person who owns the port.
Who says you have to use THAT particular CV to take the base back? Why on earth wouldn't you pull the one that could potentially become an enemy weapon and put forth one that will respawn for your country. Seems counter-intuitive and sounds like a lot of people wanting other people to play the way they want them to play.
Would not the players of that country sort that type cheeeeeesy game play out soon enough, or just not soon enough for you?
Word of the moment "integrity"
This. If the enemy country isn't worried about it's own tactics, you shouldn't be worried for them.
This is seriously the only game I've played where the community complains about tactics the enemy employs. Every other game I've played, people talk to figure out ways to combat it effectively without becoming a cheating pansy.
This is pathetic. Let people do what they will. The "few people" hiding the CV's are hardly ever the highest ranked players. If a higher rank player on the same team has an issue with this, do it yourself. There is no reason to cheat and cry about this.
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You and I don't agree here at all. A Carrier in the game IMO should be used as an offensive weapon to hit where airbased planes have a harder time getting to. Don't want to lose the port? pork ords....taking it out of play is pointless.
Snail has the right idea....45 minute timer maybe after a port gets taken that CV automatically goes to the person who owns the port.
iirc a CV counts as a capturable field in the Country Status section of the clipboard. Meaning if a CV changes countries the country that lost it loses a percentage in number of own fields they own, and the country that takes it gains a percentage in number of enemy fields owned. Players who have war-winning on the agenda don't like to mindlessly drive fields into enemy territory.
And I did say (and you quoted me on this) that I would rather see the CV be in more of a standby mode or used offensively -- but more carefully -- in the time its home port is owned by the enemy. I don't agree with the guys who would drive it off the map, but I try not to get into pissing contests with fellow countrymen about different ways to achieve the same goal.
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And I did say (and you quoted me on this) that I would rather see the CV be in more of a standby mode or used offensively -- but more carefully -- in the time its home port is owned by the enemy. I don't agree with the guys who would drive it off the map, but I try not to get into pissing contests with fellow countrymen about different ways to achieve the same goal.
funny how it was and has been ur squad that hides the cv's
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Just read all 11 pages.
Whew.
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i would like to know if you guys ever have heard people complain about team switchers. last night DMgod decieded to switch to bish so that the rest of hiz squad could destroy the 2 cv's that we were holding. if you guys are gonna do anything about this issue he would make a fine example...... it is not right that someone could just switch sides and let the rest of the country that he switched from know everything we are doing. i underdstand that it happens but to do it in the mannor that he did was just down right low. so dmgod maybe you could show some class and stay where ya belong, stop crying bout us holding cv's and play the game the right way.......
WW2 wasnt without spies were they?? The cv respawns in 15 minutes....just logg off and cool down and log back in in 15 minutes.
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Just a thought, so please don't clobber me guys :).
Take the WWI arena, substitute WWII aircraft and viola, furballers heaven! Just think about it, no CV's to sink, no towns to bomb,(hell, no buffs) no bases to capture, no gv's and no war to win. Just furball till ya drop!
Nutz
Like the DA....... :bolt:
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See Rule #4
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Given that in this very thread you have admitted and bragged about cheating (and as far as I've heard this is far from the first time) it would be too easy to descend to your level and copy your post, change the last few words, and throw it right back at you. I'd say I'm disappointed but that would be a compliment.
I should feel ashamed for even thinking about arguing with a man who's idiocy is only outmatched by his ego.
You might as well not argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
lol
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Lame either way you look at it. Period. Let me be clear, Hiding them is lame, not the act of tyring to bring them back into the game, and certainly not justified to hide them no matter who owns the port.
Should be more of DMgod type of players that are willing to do just that, bring it back into the fight, I would do it too and have.
Seems to be more and more reward for the horde.
:rock
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Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I said if a COUNTRY wishes to hide a CV not 1 individual.
Also if anyone here really can not see that it is unacceptable to look at someones cards while playing a game, then they should be sent back to kindergarten.
HiTech
Not trying to twist your words, I despise such things myself. Oversimplified this is a tomatoe/tomata issue in the game, everyone has a different way of seeing this as a problem, but we're all seeing it as a problem.
You highlighted maybe the keystone of the issue though, I have more often seen a CV do what an individual (or small group of individuals)desires and not do something that most of the country (who controls the CV) would want it to do. This would include the countrymen/women who are logged off the servers and not playing at a given time but who may end up wanting to play in an hour or two, enough time for a CV to be hidden or brought the bear against a forward base.
I admitted previously that the unbiased opinion will be hard to find here. As much as we wish for a CV to be controlled by a country, they're not. We all wish the CVs would do what we want them to do. More often than not they are set to sail on a coarse decided and implimented by an individual without any consulting or notification to their other fellow countrymen/women. We also wish for individuals to be able to have this authority though in the event they're the only one to notice an incoming bomber and turn the CV in time to avoid any damage.
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Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I said if a COUNTRY wishes to hide a CV not 1 individual.
.....Sooooooo......is HTC devising a method whereby a certain number of a country's online players may somehow override the choice of the highest-ranked online player? Because as it stands one individual has the power to hide the CV, regardless of what the rest of the country's players want...yes?
- oldman
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wasnt a country was a couple of players. Just sayin.
But I believe HT's point is that everyone else on that country let them get away with it. I realize very few people can spend 24x7 online, but surely there are those around at times when someone starts a CV on its course across the map who could take control away and send it where people can use it.
Thus, it's the whole country and not just the one or two tools that are responsible for hiding a CV.
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.....Sooooooo......is HTC devising a method whereby a certain number of a country's online players may somehow override the choice of the highest-ranked online player? Because as it stands one individual has the power to hide the CV, regardless of what the rest of the country's players want...yes?
- oldman
Which is the point of what players like DMG, myself and others realize. This IS NOT a "country/chess piece" issue. This is a minority of players (on all three countries) dictating how the majority of the country will "deal with it".
Dale, this is the crux of the issue. IDGAF about the "Angels Rejects" trying to skirt the issue bringing in "squad issues" to deflect proper points.
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But I believe HT's point is that everyone else on that country let them get away with it. I realize very few people can spend 24x7 online, but surely there are those around at times when someone starts a CV on its course across the map who could take control away and send it where people can use it.
Thus, it's the whole country and not just the one or two tools that are responsible for hiding a CV.
Have you ever seen the pursefights insue when you try to take command of the CV to bring it in to action? Point being, these guys hiding them are lame.
Im in total disagreement with the whole issue of getting muted. But thats just me. I could care less about where you are bringing CVs as long as they are put to action, but I think once its proven that its somewhere off the map, then its no holds barred and do what you need to do.
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Have you ever seen the pursefights insue when you try to take command of the CV to bring it in to action? Point being, these guys hiding them are lame.
Im in total disagreement with the whole issue of getting muted. But thats just me. I could care less about where you are bringing CVs as long as they are put to action, but I think once its proven that its somewhere off the map, then its no holds barred and do what you need to do.
You've come full circle and I respect that Tral. :rock
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I HONESTLY didn't know that switching sides and getting cv sunk was considered cheating in HTC eyes. Had I known this I wouldn't have done it. In my 5 years or so of game play here I've seen it done NUMEROUS times and to the best of my knowledge nobody has been banned from the game for doing so. So now knowing that it is considered cheating by HTC I won't be doing it again.
Now that being said, I think that HTC needs to implement someway of preventing the cv's from being hid. It seems as if a lot of players feel the same way as I do.
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Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I said if a COUNTRY wishes to hide a CV not 1 individual.
Also if anyone here really can not see that it is unacceptable to look at someones cards while playing a game, then they should be sent back to kindergarten.
HiTech
If we had an emperor, or a Chief of staff, or a grand pooba in charge and LEADING each country then I would agree with you 100%.
The point I have a problem with is why should some "little" general's decision to hide a CV out weight my decision to deploy the CV and attack a base? Just because he gets out of school earlier than I get out of work and so plays more hours?
Granted calling out CV locations is lame, but so is deigning other the use of it just because you might lose a base on the base count. Odds are pretty good your going to lose more than base that day anyway.
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Seems everyone is calming down...
:noid
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But I believe HT's point is that everyone else on that country let them get away with it. I realize very few people can spend 24x7 online, but surely there are those around at times when someone starts a CV on its course across the map who could take control away and send it where people can use it.
Thus, it's the whole country and not just the one or two tools that are responsible for hiding a CV.
The problem we're having is the "but surely there are" part. Either they're all preoccupied or simply not paying attention to make sure no CVs are moved to the back rear corner of the map. And people will notice a CV in the corner and attempt to sail it back into play only to be overwritten by a player thats more determined and occupied with ensuring the carriers stay as far out of play as possible.
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This was my solution to this a while back
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,303705.msg3900377.html#msg3900377
Seems confusing, but imagine the non stop action and keeping even ports alive that before wasnt worth attacking knowing that it doesnt have an offensive platform.
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And people will notice a CV in the corner and attempt to sail it back into play only to be overwritten by a player thats more determined and occupied with ensuring the carriers stay as far out of play as possible.
I tried to pull two captured carriers back from the far Knights NW corner of the LWO primetime hours arena but kept getting overrode by shear determination of someone. I grab one and get it headed south, try to grab the other, and then the first is headed back to the north again. I gave up after about 5-10 mins. :bhead
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I HONESTLY didn't know that switching sides and getting cv sunk was considered cheating in HTC eyes. Had I known this I wouldn't have done it. In my 5 years or so of game play here I've seen it done NUMEROUS times and to the best of my knowledge nobody has been banned from the game for doing so. So now knowing that it is considered cheating by HTC I won't be doing it again.
Now that being said, I think that HTC needs to implement someway of preventing the cv's from being hid. It seems as if a lot of players feel the same way as I do.
+1
Out of all these posts the only one that makes good sense is Sails suggestion that the CV go over to the side that owns its corresponding port after a predetermined time period. We've all seen CV's tucked away in some obscure corner of the map for literally days at a time. Some armchair general with rank stays logged in even though he's not playing and hides the CV. Sometimes it's more than one person that does it. This is not to be confused with taking the CV out of harms way while the port is being taken. It's not conducive to good game play because the side holding the port can't take the CV and the side holding the CV can't use it. On the other hand, Hitech makes a valid point that you're not supposed to look at the other players 'cards'. We all should abide by this principle of fair play.
Snails suggestion that the CV goes to the side holding the port is a very workable solution from a gaming perspective. I personally think 45 minutes is not long enough. I would rather see the time at 2 hours minimum. Remember, what we are trying to avoid is allowing the CV to be tucked away at the far end of the map without either side being able to use it. This addresses the problem of hiding the CV and the issue of whether we can ethically 'peek' at the other sides cards.
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Dan
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I HONESTLY didn't know that switching sides and getting cv sunk was considered cheating in HTC eyes. Had I known this I wouldn't have done it. In my 5 years or so of game play here I've seen it done NUMEROUS times and to the best of my knowledge nobody has been banned from the game for doing so. So now knowing that it is considered cheating by HTC I won't be doing it again.
Now that being said, I think that HTC needs to implement someway of preventing the cv's from being hid. It seems as if a lot of players feel the same way as I do.
NOW you get it!
I'm not a fan of hiding CV's btw, it's just how you went about getting it back, that was wrong!
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I HONESTLY didn't know that switching sides and getting cv sunk was considered cheating in HTC eyes. Had I known this I wouldn't have done it. In my 5 years or so of game play here I've seen it done NUMEROUS times and to the best of my knowledge nobody has been banned from the game for doing so. So now knowing that it is considered cheating by HTC I won't be doing it again.
Commendable then, as I know you and I have had this discussion before. Not the first time we've had to take a boat away from you.
Now that being said, I think that HTC needs to implement someway of preventing the cv's from being hid. It seems as if a lot of players feel the same way as I do.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ports are far too easy to take in the first place. 6 months ago upon the release of new fields, there were 2 VH's initially at a port. Then one was removed. On many maps there is no GV spawn into a port and the nearest airfield is too far away. Ports are far too easy to take in the first place especially given their importance.
Unfortunately, knowing what I know of terrain design, it would likely be a lot of work to go back through them to remedy this. But I do believe that should be the first step.
I made the argument internally with the squad today that taking ord and troops out removes an opponents "offensive" capability. This is also true for capturing and then running off an opponents CV. This is the ONLY reason it is done. Being able to actually use that boat is not a consideration. At least, until such time as the fields around the captured boat and Port are secured. As long as you don't own the Port, or only own the Port ... using that boat is not an option. It must be tucked away out of harms way.
Now, ords will in time reappear at a stricken field. Not so a hidden CV from a recaptured Port. The MAIN problem here is some that specifically go after an opponents Port and CV SOLELY to get that boat from them and out of there. Again, the Port is not the prize. In that situation we could care less about your Port. It's the removal of your offensive capability. I suspect THIS is where most of the whining comes from.
So, certainly a timer might be of use but it would have to be much more than 45 minutes due to the nature of the prize. 4-5 hours minumum sounds more like it. This gives the attacking force time to secure the Port and more importantly, immediately surrounding fields. If you can't do it in that time, fine, revert the CV back to the Port owner.
I've watched many, many, many of these threads over time. In the past 6 months, how many changes have been made to accommodate the masses in regards to towns and base captures? And what has HTC done in the past few years in regards to this perceived CV issue? That's what I thought. ;)
Ultimately, I guess the ball is in his court to decide whether it is an issue or not, but so far, it doesn't appear to be ...
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Not the first time we've had to take a boat away from you.
Why are we taking a boat away from him? Or did I miss something?
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Why are we taking a boat away from him? Or did I miss something?
Possibly he was sailing it into combat...?
- oldman
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Possibly he was sailing it into combat...?
- oldman
That's kind of what I was thinking... jeez
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Or did I miss something?
This whole thread has been about someone who can't behave themselves. So I'm guessing you missed something.
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If you feel the need to switch sides to sink a CV, just do it quietly by yourself. Announcing your intentions and where it's located is what will get you muted and/or in other trouble. I personally could give two craps what people do with them, I'm just offering my opinions. And this purse-fighting is one of the major reasons I stay away from the LW arenas. If they were the only place in the game to go, I'd have given up my subscription long ago (if I would have even bothered to play past my free 2 weeks).
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HTC is always so willing to come up with arcane rules to make sure people play the "right" way, how about this one - no communicating on 200 for an hour after a country switch? Won't stop people from relaying the info, but will stop them from pissin people off by doing it on 200.
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Why are we taking a boat away from him? Or did I miss something?
Silly, it's because the "Jokers" have more rights to decide what to use the equipment for in the game than does DMGOD. We all know what he'd do with it! Something stupid like bring it with-in range of a 5 minute flight to an enemy base to start something stupid like a furball of something. jeeeezzzz Banshee pay attention! :P
Next thing you know we'll be asking the "little generals" what plane we can fly and how high. Wouldn't want to upset their plans for world domination!
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Silly, it's because the "Jokers" have more rights to decide what to use the equipment for in the game than does DMGOD.
Now you're just being ridiculous. On this occasion the Jokers had nothing to do with it.
We all know what he'd do with it! Something stupid like bring it with-in range of a 5 minute flight to an enemy base to start something stupid like a furball of something.
Is reading comprehension a problem for you? He clearly stated that he switched sides to spy it out for his squaddies to bomb it.
That you don't like the rules of the sandbox is not my problem. I choose to play by them.
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Which is the point of what players like DMG, myself and others realize. This IS NOT a "country/chess piece" issue. This is a minority of players (on all three countries) dictating how the majority of the country will "deal with it".
Dale, this is the crux of the issue. IDGAF about the "Angels Rejects" trying to skirt the issue bringing in "squad issues" to deflect proper points.
Not even close to the crux.
IF what you state was the case DMGOD would have been telling the other side where his CV's are.
My involvement in this thread has nothing to do about how to control CV's. That would be an internal country argument. This is all about the unhidden completely unacceptable behavior of changing side, and then being completely disloyal to your new country and trying to go around the game rules by telling your original side where the CV is.
As I said hiding a cv is a perfectly legit tactic. Changing sides to find a CV is not. You may wish to discus the methods of how it is decided when or when not to hide a CV and what methods determine how this is done. But again it has nothing to do with the abuse of the system that DMGOD has done.
HiTech
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The mighty Oz has spoken!
Oh dear, Machfly you got any more popcorn? :rofl
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This is the worst spy simulator ever! Threads like this ruin the game for the spying community!
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Not even close to the crux.
IF what you state was the case DMGOD would have been telling the other side where his CV's are.
My involvement in this thread has nothing to do about how to control CV's. That would be an internal country argument. This is all about the unhidden completely unacceptable behavior of changing side, and then being completely disloyal to your new country and trying to go around the game rules by telling your original side where the CV is.
As I said hiding a cv is a perfectly legit tactic. Changing sides to find a CV is not. You may wish to discus the methods of how it is decided when or when not to hide a CV and what methods determine how this is done. But again it has nothing to do with the abuse of the system that DMGOD has done.
HiTech
I was not on when this went down Dale. What I'm saying is that every single time this has been discussed on Green Country Channel in game. The "minority" tells the majority "too bad". I guess this is as simple as I can put it. I'm not loyal to any country, just to my Squad and the friends I've made over the years. But I've never done what DMG did.
But your post clears up some gray areas. :cheers:
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As I said hiding a cv is a perfectly legit tactic. Changing sides to find a CV is noT.
Yes it is.
Just like saying hidding a CV is for tactical reasons, so is spying. Happens in real life warefare, happens in AHII - sorry. The spy reveals where the asset it to get the advantage on opposing countries so it is just as legit as hiding an asset.
If you want to make this a moralistic and ethical issue, then you can ban PMing others in other countries; prevent side switchers for anything less than 7 days instead of 5 hours (sorry muppets). So, the only way one can rat out their cv is on channel 200 where all can see; then you can mute the rat himself.
If you don't like that then you can build a mechanism that prevents CV's floating past 2 sectors in friendly territory and pointed in the direction of the theater of action. This will prevent people like DMGOD abhorent behavior as you are implicating him for.
Please understand that what DMGOD did was the symptom, not the root cause.
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Yes it is.
Just like saying hidding a CV is for tactical reasons, so is spying. Happens in real life warefare, happens in AHII - sorry. The spy reveals where the asset it to get the advantage on opposing countries so it is just as legit as hiding an asset.
If you want to make this a moralistic and ethical issue, then you can ban PMing others in other countries; prevent side switchers for anything less than 7 days instead of 5 hours (sorry muppets). So, the only way one can rat out their cv is on channel 200 where all can see; then you can mute the rat himself.
If you don't like that then you can build a mechanism that prevents CV's floating past 2 sectors in friendly territory and pointed in the direction of the theater of action. This will prevent people like DMGOD abhorent behavior as you are implicating him for.
Please understand that what DMGOD did was the symptom, not the root cause.
I agree with 90% of your post and it is scary Raider. :rofl BUT VonMessa brought up the "alternate methods of communication", either by Phone or even Vent/TS3. By hook or by crook (onl;y phrase that really worked, sorry), they'll find a way to do it.
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I agree with 90% of your post and it is scary Raider. :rofl
ah, that's nothing...JUGgler shot himself the other day after painfully agreeing with me on another thread. :D
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Not even close to the crux.
IF what you state was the case DMGOD would have been telling the other side where his CV's are.
My involvement in this thread has nothing to do about how to control CV's. That would be an internal country argument. This is all about the unhidden completely unacceptable behavior of changing side, and then being completely disloyal to your new country and trying to go around the game rules by telling your original side where the CV is.
As I said hiding a cv is a perfectly legit tactic. Changing sides to find a CV is not. You may wish to discus the methods of how it is decided when or when not to hide a CV and what methods determine how this is done. But again it has nothing to do with the abuse of the system that DMGOD has done.
HiTech
To be honest I never thought of it as looking at another's hand. Good point. However, whenever I've seen an NOE going to my former country I have not given notice to my former country. Why the distinction? Not sure, both in the same category I recon. Since you have pointed it out I will refrain in the future.
But uh I do have one question. Where's the rule book for game play?
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Silly, it's because the "Jokers" have more rights to decide what to use the equipment for in the game than does DMGOD. We all know what he'd do with it! Something stupid like bring it with-in range of a 5 minute flight to an enemy base to start something stupid like a furball of something. jeeeezzzz Banshee pay attention! :P
Next thing you know we'll be asking the "little generals" what plane we can fly and how high. Wouldn't want to upset their plans for world domination!
Ok, glad to know I was on the same page, because that is exactly what I was hinting at.
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Not even close to the crux.
IF what you state was the case DMGOD would have been telling the other side where his CV's are.
My involvement in this thread has nothing to do about how to control CV's. That would be an internal country argument. This is all about the unhidden completely unacceptable behavior of changing side, and then being completely disloyal to your new country and trying to go around the game rules by telling your original side where the CV is.
As I said hiding a cv is a perfectly legit tactic. Changing sides to find a CV is not. You may wish to discus the methods of how it is decided when or when not to hide a CV and what methods determine how this is done. But again it has nothing to do with the abuse of the system that DMGOD has done.
HiTech
In my defense. I AM NOT THE 1st to do this (nor will I probably be the last). To the best of my knowledge NO WHERE IS IT STATED (prior to ur post from today) that my actions where considered cheating by HTC. As I have stated in my last post, HAD I KNOWN IT WAS CONSIDERED CHEATING BY HTC, I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE WHAT I DID. So you sir (hitech) posted that if I'd stop insinuating and admit to what I did you would mute me. Being an honest individual and (despite what the majority of people think of me) a man I, told you the truth ( from what I understand I could have kept my big mouth shut and avoided a mute and the character abuse i took afterwords ) and welcomed my punishment.
Hitech, I am consumed with the game you have allowed me to participate and enjoy for the past couple of years. I appreciate you allowing me to participate in what you and ur team have developed. You have quenched my thirst to fly WWII airplanes of which I have been obsessed with since i was about 9 years old ( 34 now ). I have met a lot of people who I consider GREAT friends and pretty much family and for the most part would, stop what I am doing to assist in any manner they deem me fit to help them with.
Bottom line sir, You can choose to put any and all blame upon me, call me whatever you would like, ban from ur game. I assure you sir I am not the problem and when or if you ban me or I (which I doubt I ever will) quit this game, the problem will not be solved. People are going to do what I did or way worse but, I am willing to bet everything I am and have that they will not own up to it.
I am not challenging ur authority nor did I admit to what, I did in defiance of you or your staff. I admitted to what I did because I did not know you considered it cheating and I figured by telling the truth hopefully we can settle some underlining issues that a lot of us have with current game play
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except for HiTech owning DMGOD endlessly...
this thread's derailed and i can see alot of different opinions here that probably shouldn't be said...
Now where's my damn popcorn? :headscratch:
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I didn't read it all but I find a few points striking...
If you switched sides just to announced a CV's position, you should be .reported (taking away chat privs for a week) and shunned by the community.
It is really is a low life thing to do.
If a country wishes to hide a CV, it's their choice.
HiTech
Allowing to use .report for something that is not related to text abuse is downright dangerous for the game IMO. This can be abused by large groups of players to get there own way in the arena, and it will be hard to actually decide if its abuse of the command or not.
This thread is another fine example why a max life span of a CV without it's corresponding port could make sense ;)
Give the man a keg!! That makes sence from the game dynamics point of view, and its also realistic. 1 hour seems like a fair amount of time to try and reverse the situation. An additionnal fleet status indicator in the ports would be great also.
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Am I going to have to spell it out for you all? SUBMARINE. Give it sonar that blips dots that represent fleets within an acceptable range. Armed with torpedoes to sink them, and also report location of fleets to friendlies. No need to switch sides you already have the cloak and dagger equipment. :rock
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Hiding CV's is like popping the basketball (soccer, kickball, etc) so the other kids in recess can't play with it while you go to lunch.
No it isn't. You only have one football in the game, popping or hiding it stops everyone from playing, but there are dozens or even hundreds of bases on each AH map. Hiding one CV doesn't stop fighting over the other 199 bases. It's more like playing 8-ball and blocking a corner pocket with one of your balls so the other guy can't use it. Some people might call that lame, others just call it good strategy. Either way, it's not comparable to playing against the team you're on.
I don't know why people seem to think that hiding a CV inhibits combat. Are 50 people doing nothing but sitting in the tower because that one CV is out of action? The point of hiding a CV isn't to prevent combat, it's to shift the combat to a place and situation more favorable to the owning side. If people wan to fight, they'll fight. The combat will go on.
Im no expert but all the shows and movies ive seen on the military channel and other channels about WWII have never shown anyone moving and hiding the cv. What would have happened if we did that at midway or Pearl ?
Umm... we'd win? Pearl Harbor was a strategic loss for Japan because the CVs weren't home. Midway was an American victory because the CVs weren't where the Japanese thought they were.
Anyway, smart war fighting doesn't have much to do with good game play. The same goes for spying, ganging, hordeing, or whatever: whether it happened in the war doesn't mean anything about whether it's unsportsmanlike in a game.
So if I log on and some little "general" has decided for what ever reason that the CVs he has tucked away in the corner of the map are going to stay there, and he has the "rank" to back this up, it's OK for him to do that, even tho I'm paying the same $15 he is.
That's the way the game works. If you log on and some idiot is running the CV right into a PT spawn swarming with enemy PTs or refusing to turn it to avoid buffs or a SB, and he has the rank to back it up, that's the way the game works too. You can (politely) PM the amateur admiral or go on country and tell him you think his CV strategy stinks if you want. If enough people agree, he might be persuaded to give it up. Then again he might not. But it isn't okay to cheat just because you're not getting your way about CV deployment, whatever the nature of your grievance.
Also, of course, we're not talking about DMGOD disagreeing with how someone on his own side is using CVs (or not). He didn't like how the other side was using its CV. That's none of his business. If it's a bish CV it's for the bish to decide whether and how it gets used to attack.
There are two separate issues here: (1) Whether hiding CVs is lame game play, and (2) does lame game play by one person justify cheating by another? We can disagree about (1), but as far as I'm concerned (2) is a no-brainer: NO. And switching sides so you can sabotage your new teammates is a form of cheating. Hitech apparently agrees.
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I didn't read it all but I find a few points striking...
Allowing to use .report for something that is not related to text abuse is downright dangerous for the game IMO. This can be abused by large groups of players to get there own way in the arena, and it will be hard to actually decide if its abuse of the command or not.
Give the man a keg!! That makes sence from the game dynamics point of view, and its also realistic. 1 hour seems like a fair amount of time to try and reverse the situation. An additionnal fleet status indicator in the ports would be great also.
I'd say 1 hour is too short. The side should still have a huge incentive to actively go out and sink that CV. With only one hour, one can be very tempted to just hold the port until the CV magically falls in your hands. I'd favor a much longer time frame, like 3 hours. That way, the attacker that just took the port can't be sure he will get the CV in time... three hours is a a time too long to guarantee you are still owning the port at the end of it. You may be able to hold your horde together for oen hour, but three hours is often unlikely.
For the side that juts lost the port, three hours would mean most tactics are still valid. If you lost the port due to being outnumbered big time, you can still try to steer the CV away and "hide" it, until you can recapture the port at a later point. However, you can't just take the CV and sail it behind the continent which takes it out of the game almost permanently.
So I do believe such a thing would add to the battle dynamics, still allow "sound" strategies on both sides of the medal, but prevents the complete removal of CVs from the game which often happen on certain maps.
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+1, whatever keeps the CV in the game without any "cheats"
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why is everyone here on the BBS whining,
didnt we get the B-29 last patch?
you all should be in the LWOH dropping noooooks!
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Im no expert but all the shows and movies ive seen on the military channel and other channels about WWII have never shown anyone moving and hiding the cv. What would have happened if we did that at midway or Pearl ?
Hiding the cv just takes another yet fun aspect out of the picture so all we have left is hos and hordes.
"IF" and I say IF the US had ever captured an enemy CV would they have ever used it in combat, I would think not :salute
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"IF" and I say IF the US had ever captured an enemy CV would they have ever used it in combat, I would think not :salute
Nope, they would take them to a remote island and nuke them.
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I HONESTLY didn't know that switching sides and getting cv sunk was considered cheating in HTC eyes. Had I known this I wouldn't have done it. In my 5 years or so of game play here I've seen it done NUMEROUS times and to the best of my knowledge nobody has been banned from the game for doing so. So now knowing that it is considered cheating by HTC I won't be doing it again.
Now that being said, I think that HTC needs to implement someway of preventing the cv's from being hid. It seems as if a lot of players feel the same way as I do.
Do away with all CV's, problem solved
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Do away with all CV's, problem solved
I love cv battles! either from land or from the cv. Of course the puffy ack is annoying.
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DM,
Look man, nobody here is saying you're a dishonest person, the fact is, you owned up to what you did, right off the bat. A truly dishonest person would have lied through his teeth even in the face of cold hard proof (screenshots' etc.) of what they did!
However, that doesn't negate what you did, IS and has ALWAYS been considered cheating. You switched sides to gain information, and relayed it back to your home team, the fact you did it to find your home teams CV is irrelevant to the issue!
Now, I'm not saying you did this, but who is to say you didn't rat out the locations of ALL the CV's and/or missions pending or inbound to your home country, or any other info that might have pertained to the other country (such as hidden CV's, missions pendind, etc.).
THAT ^^^^ is why what you did, is wrong, and can NOT be condoned as acceptable behavior! There is NO SUCH THING, AS A LIL BIT OF CHEATING, cheating is cheating <period>!
Now, that said, atleast your here to stand for your actions, and have acknowledged the consequences of said actions! Hopefully that will give you the wisdom, to NOT do it again!
Nough Said!
S!
In my defense. I AM NOT THE 1st to do this (nor will I probably be the last). To the best of my knowledge NO WHERE IS IT STATED (prior to ur post from today) that my actions where considered cheating by HTC. As I have stated in my last post, HAD I KNOWN IT WAS CONSIDERED CHEATING BY HTC, I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE WHAT I DID. So you sir (hitech) posted that if I'd stop insinuating and admit to what I did you would mute me. Being an honest individual and (despite what the majority of people think of me) a man I, told you the truth ( from what I understand I could have kept my big mouth shut and avoided a mute and the character abuse i took afterwords ) and welcomed my punishment.
Hitech, I am consumed with the game you have allowed me to participate and enjoy for the past couple of years. I appreciate you allowing me to participate in what you and ur team have developed. You have quenched my thirst to fly WWII airplanes of which I have been obsessed with since i was about 9 years old ( 34 now ). I have met a lot of people who I consider GREAT friends and pretty much family and for the most part would, stop what I am doing to assist in any manner they deem me fit to help them with.
Bottom line sir, You can choose to put any and all blame upon me, call me whatever you would like, ban from ur game. I assure you sir I am not the problem and when or if you ban me or I (which I doubt I ever will) quit this game, the problem will not be solved. People are going to do what I did or way worse but, I am willing to bet everything I am and have that they will not own up to it.
I am not challenging ur authority nor did I admit to what, I did in defiance of you or your staff. I admitted to what I did because I did not know you considered it cheating and I figured by telling the truth hopefully we can settle some underlining issues that a lot of us have with current game play
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IN. This thread looks A LOT like flamebait. I'm surprised Skuzzy hasn't already come in here with four feet of rubber hose. Besides, we've already been over this topic ad nauseum.
For the record, I don't see how DMGod can be labelled a cheat since he was operating WITHIN THE RULES of the game. If you don't like that, then you need to look at changing the rules. I'd suggest that's a better line of approach than changing the definition of cheating.
I'd also start a thread about selective and whimsical enforcement but I don't want to get smacked with four feet of rubber hose... (the truly fun thing about the forum, imj).
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This is the only reasonable fix to the issue of CV swiping.
A video description of the "fix".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=related)
Skuzzy, please be gentle....
:bolt:
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This is the only reasonable fix to the issue of CV swiping.
A video description of the "fix".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=related)
Skuzzy, please be gentle....
:bolt:
:uhoh
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A Page 15 idea for a change:
Do not count CVs towards base counts. Removes one incentive. I do not know how to deal with the denial of use argument.
On Lusche's idea to start a death timer once the port is taken, how much time? The length of time would have to be longer than a typical session to be reasonable, say three hours. Another detail is the difference between night and day. What is good for primetime would be too short for the night shift. Otherwise a good idea.
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Who says you have to use THAT particular CV to take the base back? Why on earth wouldn't you pull the one that could potentially become an enemy weapon and put forth one that will respawn for your country. Seems counter-intuitive and sounds like a lot of people wanting other people to play the way they want them to play.
Pretty sure when HTC designed this awesome game they wanted to promote WW2 combat.....Think it was Hitech who said he likes to put choke points on a map. Carriers spawn combat when one side starts using it to capture a field.....who knows maybe there isnt another cv for sectors in the area...why not use the Carrier...its down time isnt long at all and its protective ack can be used to defend the field even after its down......there is only 1 reason I can see why this might not make sense, it counts as an airfield.
Make them and the port worth 1 airfield....problem solved
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Pretty sure when HTC designed this awesome game they wanted to promote WW2 combat.....Think it was Hitech who said he likes to put choke points on a map. Carriers spawn combat when one side starts using it to capture a field.....who knows maybe there isnt another cv for sectors in the area...why not use the Carrier...its down time isnt long at all and its protective ack can be used to defend the field even after its down......there is only 1 reason I can see why this might not make sense, it counts as an airfield.
Make them and the port worth 1 airfield....problem solved
I don't think it'll work that way Junky, the PORT and the CV are separately supplied in the supply chain from the Strats, even though the CV spawns at it's port!
Now, maybe if HT linked the CV's Supply to it's Port, and say if someone porks Ords at the Port, CV gets no bombs, VH is down at Port no GV can spawn from CV, and/or PORT is captured CV is not spawnable for planes or GV's, and you'll only be able to man the guns, but ammo will be restricted to say maybe half, and when ammo runs out, CV will be HIGHLY vulnerable to air attack or another CV attacking it, etc.
That might make for a better solution, to counter those that like to hide CV's, sure go ahead and hide it, but it'll be useless to you if you lose the port, and THAT SHOULD put a premium on PORT/CV defence, in the first place!
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Ok so now we are getting down to the nitty gritty. Switching sides to report back is breaking the rules. How about if the rooks are hiding a cv, and as a long time rook I would rather see the cv in play, could I report the cv location to anyone on 200? I haven't switched sides and as my own little general I can do with the cv like I want like any other little general right?
Crash, if a little general ran one "our" cvs into an enemy spawn point I'd be ok with that, at least he using it in a fight, which is what it is supposed to be used for.
As it is everyone should have the ability to use their teams equipment any way they see fit. Nobodies "plan" or "mission" is more important than the other guys. If we had a "supreme leader" running each country I could see it, but we don't
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Ok so now we are getting down to the nitty gritty. Switching sides to report back is breaking the rules. How about if the rooks are hiding a cv, and as a long time rook I would rather see the cv in play, could I report the cv location to anyone on 200? I haven't switched sides and as my own little general I can do with the cv like I want like any other little general right?
You'll get mass reported and kick banned according to the non told rules. An they will slip GHB in your turtle's water.
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Ok so now we are getting down to the nitty gritty. Switching sides to report back is breaking the rules. How about if the rooks are hiding a cv, and as a long time rook I would rather see the cv in play, could I report the cv location to anyone on 200?
Fugitive, I ask this seriously - is there actually a rule that says such conduct is prohibited?
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After dying dozens of times trying to sink our CV last night, vBOOM started a PM convo ending with, "when I sign off I am going to switch to Rook and report all your cv locations."
Maybe you vGuys should police your own squad first before you start policing others.
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How about this as a solution...
Each side has a set number of CVs on any given map. They are not capturable. Ports feed supplies/repairs to the CVs. Each CV gets its supplies from the closest friendly port and respawns at the forward most port that a country owns.
If a port is captured, the country who lost the port has a longer supply chain so repairs take longer. If their CV is sunk they don't lose it, it simply respawns at the next closest port to the front lines.
If a country loses all of their ports and their CVs are sunk, they do not respawn until they capture or recapture a port.
No more hiding the other sides CVs. Ports are still worth taking. Not much of a reason to hide your own CV because the enemy can't take it away from you, so you might as well use it to attack something.
Just an idea.
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Well Pj, untill yesterday I didn't think you could be muted for switching countries and reporting one much like DMGOD did, and I've been here almos 10 years, so that's why I'm trying to get clarification here.
Everyone has been telling me the game has changed and I had no choice other than to accept that if I wish to keep playing the game. So I am trying to learn the "rules".
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DMGOD wrote
To the best of my knowledge NO WHERE IS IT STATED (prior to ur post from today) that my actions where considered cheating by HTC. As I have stated in my last post, HAD I KNOWN IT WAS CONSIDERED CHEATING BY HTC, I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE WHAT I DID. So you sir (hitech) posted that if I'd stop insinuating and admit to what I did you would mute me. Being an honest individual and (despite what the majority of people think of me) a man I, told you the truth ( from what I understand I could have kept my big mouth shut and avoided a mute and the character abuse i took afterwords ) and welcomed my punishment.
Are you serious? You think we don’t show the enemy side where the CV’s are when we show all the other fields is because we expect people to jump sides and tell their old country where the CV”s are?
If you really thought it was perfectly OK did you announce it on channel 200? I assume you see CV locations stated on 200 almost every hour or so? 2nd using the excuse that other people did it is obviously an invalid argument.
I may be wrong but my guess is your side owned the port and wanted to capture the CV. You didn’t know where it was so you cheated and changed sides to find it. And you really believe this is perfectly ok?
Noir wrote
Allowing to use .report for something that is not related to text abuse is downright dangerous for the game IMO. This can be abused by large groups of players to get there own way in the arena, and it will be hard to actually decide if its abuse of the command or not.
It is very related to text channel. Or did DMGOD not use chat to tell his country where things were. The point is you must SEE some one typing it to report them, not just suspect them.
It is 100% the same as typing on open channel when and where a mission is launching. So why have any fog of war if it is completely legit to tell everyone what the other side is doing?
PJ Godzilla wrote
Fugitive, I ask this seriously - is there actually a rule that says such conduct is prohibited?
Yes, it is why the CV’s are not show to enemy countries. Fairly obvious I would say. But then again, Ive never seen in a rule in a book of poker, that you can not look at the other mans cards when he is away getting a bear.
HiTech
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After dying dozens of times trying to sink our CV last night, vBOOM started a PM convo ending with, "when I sign off I am going to switch to Rook and report all your cv locations."
Maybe you vGuys should police your own squad first before you start policing others.
This is hilarious. I guess you'd call the behavior in question childish or bad sportsmanship but, in the end, it's a tempest in a virtual teapot. For a little perspective, consider how much impact the survival of that CV has on anyone's life. I mean, I fly and fight. Sometime I get killed, sometimes I kill. If a CV sinks, I don't really give a rip. I think it's both funny that somebody would stoop like this but I'm also (less) amused that you're upset by it. Sometimes you just need to let the baby have the bottle.
I wonder if the vDude in question likes to watch parades? If so, you know he's focused on watching the band that has to march behind the horses.
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PJ Godzilla wrote
Yes, it is why the CV’s are not show to enemy countries. Fairly obvious I would say. But then again, Ive never seen in a rule in a book of poker, that you can not look at the other mans cards when he is away getting a bear.
HiTech
Yes, this makes solid intuitive sense. Your point regarding basically honorable conduct is valid too. I didn't know if such was expected in the forums or not but it makes decent business sense to provide a framework for good sportsmanship in play.
Perhaps we need something like the USTA has - a player Code of Conduct (aka "the Code" - but not that code)..? I'm not going to advance the notion that it would change anyone's behavior. The upside to it would be that it would make it very clear when a violation occurred. At the same time, I recognize that this is very likely a low priority, given that you have total discretion for punishing the miscreant involved.
Given that the only rule problem I have was isolated to this forum I guess I'd rather have the 410 before a Code of Conduct.
Thanks for checking in on this hot topic. I appreciate it when any exchnage of this nature gets some facts thrown at it.
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DMgawd, did you really try to play the character abuse card? :rofl Yeah, changing sides to relay CV positions for squadmates to play in b29s. Was in means to improve gameplay for all. Next you'll try pissing down my back and telling me it's raining. Thanks for the laugh though.
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Deleted could be seen as flame bait.
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...that you can not look at the other mans cards when he is away getting a bear.
You must play cards with some mighty tough customers; I wouldn't be looking at his cards either. :D
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You must play cards with some mighty tough customers; I wouldn't be looking at his cards either. :D
What do you guys in the States use to bet with, money? Waaaaay more interesting gameplay, and better Monday morning stories to use live wild animals.
Wiley.
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You must play cards with some mighty tough customers; I wouldn't be looking at his cards either. :D
I must admit, some times my spelling makes me LOL.
HiTech
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This thread further proves that we are all HiTech's children...
...Orphan children...and HiTech Creations is the orphanage...
We cry for no reason :cry
We love to play with the new toys they give us :x
They scold us when we're bad :(
Perk rides are kind of like "treats" after you've been good :D
And they rinse our mouths out with mute soap when we do bad things on channel... :frown:
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You guys talking about poker is funny. Was a time not too long ago where a man would justifiably kill another man if he discovered cheating in a poker GAME :neener:
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I still haven't seen an answer to my question.
If my fellow countrymen hide away a cv is it against the rules for me to report the location to the other side?
Sticking to the poker, it would be like telling them what I have in MY hand.
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Sticking to the poker, it would be like telling them what I have in MY hand.
Yes, exactly like that, because just like in poker you're part of a 100-odd person team who you are the sole representative and speaker for...
Hmm... On second thought, it perhaps appears that it might not be anything like that at all.
Wiley.
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Just because the question is hanging there.
If fog of war is important, why make it possible to change sides so easily? It's not likely that the hundreds (or even tens) of people changing sides are supposed to forget the state of the side they left. While the info will go out of date, CVs move slowly so you only need to know the general area they are in.
I don't want to assume anything or put words in HiTech's mouth (ewwww! :)) but that would seem to indicate a tacit approval of "spying", at least in so far as side switching is concerned. IMHO, its one of the things that makes the goal of winning the ground game appear less than compelling. If you don't like how its going for your present side, you switch to the side that is "winning" and take what you know to make it win faster.
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That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom with.
See as we are not technically on a team, because I couldn't care less about the war, all I care about is the fight. The "war" brings in fightingn so hiding a CV makes it one more thing AVOIDING a fight. I may want to move a CV into position to start a fight so I don't have to fight in a horde.
Is so "little generals" plan to hide a CV more important than my plan to use it?
I have given up the loction of our CVs before because I wasn't allowed to use it. So I gave it up to the other team so they could use it. If this against the rules now I'd like to know. That's all.
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You guys talking about poker is funny. Was a time not too long ago where a man would justifiably kill another man if he discovered cheating in a poker GAME :neener:
Do you suppose they were playing for money? :D
Just because the question is hanging there.
If fog of war is important, why make it possible to change sides so easily? It's not likely that the hundreds (or even tens) of people changing sides are supposed to forget the state of the side they left. While the info will go out of date, CVs move slowly so you only need to know the general area they are in.
I don't want to assume anything or put words in HiTech's mouth (ewwww! :)) but that would seem to indicate a tacit approval of "spying", at least in so far as side switching is concerned. IMHO, its one of the things that makes the goal of winning the ground game appear less than compelling. If you don't like how its going for your present side, you switch to the side that is "winning" and take what you know to make it win faster.
I think we're on the honor system. :angel:
We are treated like adults playing a game with our friends. :D
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We're grown men and women playing a game that we enjoy.
We're supposed to act honorably and civilly towards one another in the spirit of fair play.
This thread has exposed a wealth of immaturity amongst our ranks. Good job tards. :aok
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There's a lot more discussion on this thread about conduct than there is about CV placement.
And it's NOT the "C" word...it's dirty tricksters.
DMGOD is far from being the first to change sides and finger a cv....he's simply the FIRST to be honest about it on the forums. This happens every day and by ALL SIDES.
The "fix" isn't having HTC spend boatloads of cash on R&D for submarines and seperate destroyers...it's to DISABLE the ability for players to cause the problem in the first place....disable any and all comms across country lines and change the country change from 45 minutes to 24 hours. The 24 hour side limitation was good enough for Air Warrior, it's good enough for us.
Although by simply saying that, you will see folks screaming bloody murder against it because that takes away the tools the "dirty tricksters" need.
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24 hour limit was good enough for Air Warrior, but where is Air Warrior now?
Get rid of cross country comms? Really? That wouldn't help the matter any considering some of the things mentioned earlier (phones, TS, Vent, etc...)
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disable any and all comms across country lines and change the country change from 45 minutes to 24 hours.
Since I switched countries to find a fight I suddenly can't talk to my squad mates who just logged on, particularly when they are in another arena? To top it off, I can't use channel 200 either?
A HUGE -1.
Not everyone gives a flying fig about winning the war... go ahead and steamroll bases, I don't care. If this change does happen, I will purchase a dedicated Teamspeak server to continue to talk to my squadmates. Except maybe that Princess character, I always feel she is eyeballing my package.
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Except maybe that Princess character, I always feel she is eyeballing my package.
:rofl :rofl Dont worry Del, she's just comparing to her Package :rofl
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It's enough to make ya weep sometimes. Limit the players who just are having fun and enjoying the people they get to fly with and against, to get those few who think this game is so important that they 'break the rules' in the name of the 'war'.
Makes perfect sense. Punish the many for the sins of a few.
OK with that logic lets move on
Because some folks don't fly bombers the way they should, and Lanc stuka carriers or hangers, I believe it important that HTC have a minimum alt limit for bombers to drop bombs. All bombers must reach historically accurate altitudes before their bomb bay doors will open.
Lets see, What other silly stuff can we have HTC implement to stick it to the majority of players because of a few folks who lack a clue. :rolleyes:
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Deleted could be seen as flame bait.
Awww man :( I didn't mean it, I swear :devil
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It's enough to make ya weep sometimes. Limit the players who just are having fun and enjoying the people they get to fly with and against, to get those few who think this game is so important that they 'break the rules' in the name of the 'war'.
Makes perfect sense. Punish the many for the sins of a few.
OK with that logic lets move on
Because some folks don't fly bombers the way they should, and Lanc stuka carriers or hangers, I believe it important that HTC have a minimum alt limit for bombers to drop bombs. All bombers must reach historically accurate altitudes before their bomb bay doors will open.
Lets see, What other silly stuff can we have HTC implement to stick it to the majority of players because of a few folks who lack a clue. :rolleyes:
:aok
Nerf the JUG :bolt:
JUGgler
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So I am trying to learn the "rules".
reporting the CV location just because the other side isn't using the CV how you want them to use it is hardly playing by the rules no matter how you try and justify it.
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You guys talking about poker is funny. Was a time not too long ago where a man would justifiably kill another man if he discovered cheating in a poker GAME :neener:
Perhaps a similar rule is called for here.
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Was a time not too long ago where a man would justifiably kill another man if he discovered cheating in a poker GAME
Perhaps a similar rule is called for here.
Why kill him? If someone is that worried about cheating in an online flight sim, their sex life must be dead already. :D
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Lets see, What other silly stuff can we have HTC implement to stick it to the majority of players because of a few folks who lack a clue. :rolleyes:
I know. Let's make a "no vulch" rule.
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Why kill him?
Answer: As an act of the ultimate in sarcasm.
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Is so "little generals" plan to hide a CV more important than my plan to use it?
You're still asking the wrong question. The right question is "Does our difference of opinion on the proper use of CVs justify my acting like a low-down, dishonorable cheat?" The answer is NO.
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You're still asking the wrong question. The right question is "Does our difference of opinion on the proper use of CVs justify my acting like a low-down, dishonorable cheat?" The answer is NO.
Ah. OK, I'm out of this one.
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Ah. OK, I'm out of this one.
- oldman
You know you want to stay :D
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You know you want to stay :D
He'll stick around for the next shameful episode - in this case where DMSelf aggrandizing buys 300 subscriptions so he can populate an entire arena all to himself.
{Edit Note: I had to separate "self" and "aggrandizing" because it runs afoul of the obscenity editor... think about it}
I don't mean to direct that at anyone, btw. The kind of conduct in question seems to appear from many quarters. Still, I 'm waiting for some clown to pull that one.
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"Proper use"? This has been my point the whole time. You impose delusions of superiority on the majority, who are more intelligent.
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[quote author=hitech link=topic=307699.msg3969780#msg3969780 date=129899
Yes, it is why the CV’s are not show to enemy countries. Fairly obvious I would say. But then again, Ive never seen in a rule in a book of poker, that you can not look at the other mans cards when he is away getting a bear.
HiTech
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I'm not so sure I could focus on the game.
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No AKAK I'm talking about MY cv. The generals park it in the back country "hiding" it from the other basically saying "nobody can play with this".
So normally I give up the location so that at least SOMEBODY can play with it even if it IS the other team.
I just want make sure that this or is not against the rules. Also I would ask what gives the little general more rights than me where he can do what HE wants, but I can't. And by "I can't" I mean use the CV to attack.
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[quote author=hitech link=topic=307699.msg3969780#msg3969780 date=129899
Yes, it is why the CV’s are not show to enemy countries. Fairly obvious I would say. But then again, Ive never seen in a rule in a book of poker, that you can not look at the other mans cards when he is away getting a bear.
HiTech
I'm not so sure I could focus on the game.
Right.
"Excuse me, boys. I need to leave the table for a minute to go do my best impression of Brad Pitt in that light-in-the-loafers Legends film. Kato, bring me my bear-fightin' gear and the Jeep.
Don't look at my cards you cheatin' muthahfuhgivah..."
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No AKAK I'm talking about MY cv. The generals park it in the back country "hiding" it from the other basically saying "nobody can play with this".
So normally I give up the location so that at least SOMEBODY can play with it even if it IS the other team.
I just want make sure that this or is not against the rules. Also I would ask what gives the little general more rights than me where he can do what HE wants, but I can't. And by "I can't" I mean use the CV to attack.
If it is against the rules, you'll have to go on the lam, Fugitive.
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I have to agree. If some generalissimo extraordinaire has run the CV up the coast and away from the battle then sink the damned thing out of spite. Get it back into play.
Do realize these aren't real aircraft carriers....these are not real airplanes and tanks...people are really not being maimed and killed.
The landmass is a cartoon fantasy place....only exists on a server somewhere in texas. Lighten up francis.
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This whole thread is just simply ridiculous.
Ive been playing for well over 5 years and even in my landgrabbing haydays, Ive learned to take the good with the bad. If I wanted to join NOE missions, there was threats of spies coming to bust them. IF I was going to hide a cv, I learned that I coudlnt be there to hold it forever. It was just part of the game and most of us just deal with it. Frustrating sometimes, but thats what makes the game so addicting.
This game is shared with such a wide variety of players who sometimes dont agree on certain aspects of gameplay, in truth we all know without the other, things would get rather stale.
Im appauled from recent responses given by the AH top brass about hordes, rolling bases close to arena switching and now this?
I could care less about a stupid pixelated CV or base or whatever..its not the point. Seems as though we have to appease the babies in the new generation of customers while most of us had to go through the growing pains on our own to stick it out.
Im seriously considering my subscripttion here. If its AIRQUAKE you guys want..count me out..KEEP IT
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This whole thread is just simply ridiculous.
Ive been playing for well over 5 years and even in my landgrabbing haydays, Ive learned to take the good with the bad. If I wanted to join NOE missions, there was threats of spies coming to bust them. IF I was going to hide a cv, I learned that I coudlnt be there to hold it forever. It was just part of the game and most of us just deal with it. Frustrating sometimes, but thats what makes the game so addicting.
This game is shared with such a wide variety of players who sometimes dont agree on certain aspects of gameplay, in truth we all know without the other, things would get rather stale.
Im appauled from recent responses given by the AH top brass about hordes, rolling bases close to arena switching and now this?
I could care less about a stupid pixelated CV or base or whatever..its not the point. Seems as though we have to appease the babies in the new generation of customers while most of us had to go through the growing pains on our own to stick it out.
Im seriously considering my subscripttion here. If its AIRQUAKE you guys want..count me out..KEEP IT
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I am suprised this thread is still going.
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What happened to code and sportmanship? I'm most of us are adults here; and it saddens me to see how many are acting. IMO AH does not need to change, the player base needs to remember sportsmanship. Or maybe AH just needs to spell out a CoC for people that apparently have morals. I have switch countries many times but have never felt the urge to tell my new country or my old country the location of CVs or missions.
Here is something from another online game that I enjoy (not as much as AH, but its still fun). This belongs to iRacing but I think a lot applies to here and I try to use it here.
http://membersmedia.iracing.com/pdfs/FIRST_Sporting_Code_v2011.02.18.01.pdf (http://membersmedia.iracing.com/pdfs/FIRST_Sporting_Code_v2011.02.18.01.pdf)
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24 hour limit was good enough for Air Warrior, but where is Air Warrior now?
Get rid of cross country comms? Really? That wouldn't help the matter any considering some of the things mentioned earlier (phones, TS, Vent, etc...)
Time limits on changing sides had nothing to do with the demise of Air Warrior...lack of R&D, bad management, and greed did.
Fine, let 'em use phones, Skype, etc...just don't hand it to them to use as a tool in the game.
Take away the dirty trickster's tools of the trade and you fix the biggest parts of the problem.
They will also be the ones most vocal against it.
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WOW now I've seen it all!
Now if I'm not mistaken, Warbeast you are always in a 5in gun or other manned gun on the bases am i right? (thought so)
Warbeast,when your in the 5in on the ships don't you routinely call out the location of the CV"S YOUR ON on channel 200 for everyone to see.(thought so)
So now i ask Hitech,what is the difference between this behavior and the one that you muted DMGOD for?(both are doing the same thing)
Sound like a double standard to me!
Thank You
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.....Sooooooo......is HTC devising a method whereby a certain number of a country's online players may somehow override the choice of the highest-ranked online player? Because as it stands one individual has the power to hide the CV, regardless of what the rest of the country's players want...yes?
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Absolutely ... you took the words right out of my mouth.
If just 1 person, who is the highest ranked at the time, decides that the CV will be hidden and taken out of action ... then it's screw the rest of the COUNTRY or a group of individuals that would like to use the hidden CV.
If you log on and see a CV stuck way out in Timbuktu and a group of pilots want to move it in an attack position ... all it takes is 1 individual, who has a high rank, to put the kibosh on those plans.
If owners of the CV are not the owners of the port ... 3 hours after the capture of the port, the CV should be uncloaked for the port owners to see.
I don't agree with the notion that the CV should be scuttled and returned to the owners of the port automatically ... they should be required to sink it to get it back.
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"Proper use"? This has been my point the whole time. You impose delusions of superiority on the majority, who are more intelligent.
I did no such thing. I said the dispute was over how CVs are properly used. I did NOT say that my view was the proper one. I didn't even say what my view WAS. I said either way it doesn't justify cheating.
Also I would ask what gives the little general more rights than me where he can do what HE wants, but I can't.
Translation: "WAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!! I'm not getting my WAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!! It's not FAAAAAAIIIIIIIR!!!!!!!!!" :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
Rank controls CVs. Rank controls CVs whether the higher ranked guy is the one who wants to attack with it, or the one who wants to hold it back, or the one who wants to write his name with the course. That's part of the game. Grow up and deal.
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Thank you for proving my point.
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If just 1 person, who is the highest ranked at the time, decides that the CV will be hidden and taken out of action ... then it's screw the rest of the COUNTRY or a group of individuals that would like to use the hidden CV.
And if just 1 person, who is the highest ranked at the time, decides that the CV should be thrown away in a reckless and foolish attack without any preparation, then it's screw the rest of the COUNTRY or a group of individuals that would like to keep the CV safe.
Control of CVs is non-democratic regardless of how they are or are not used. Hiding CVs is no more non-democratic than anything else you can do with them.
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Thank you for proving my point.
Your point being that you are babbling nonsense? You're welcome.
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And if just 1 person, who is the highest ranked at the time, decides that the CV should be thrown away in a reckless and foolish attack without any preparation, then it's screw the rest of the COUNTRY or a group of individuals that would like to keep the CV safe.
Control of CVs is non-democratic regardless of how they are or are not used. Hiding CVs is no more non-democratic than anything else you can do with them.
wow you guys are something else
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This all sounds really familiar.
Same squad too, I believe.
I tried to move a Task force 2 or 3 sectors towards usefullness, which would have still left it aprox 3 sectors away from the action.
Its course was immediatly changed back to where it was.
I changed it again about 5 minutes later.
I was then called some very unsavory (yet vaguely familiar) names by several of members of a certain squad.
Of course I immediatly changed the course again to much ballyhoo.
More name calling and course changing.
Now all this while at least 2 guys had flown some 25s or 26s to find and kill this thing to no avail.( they knew its general location)
One way trip, no way they had the fuel to make it home as the CV was buried in the corner of the map.
So I turned into the petulant little baby that I am and called out the location on 200.
More name calling etc.
I logged off. :D
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Again Dale. VLoki's replies are EXACTLY what goes on in-game.
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And if just 1 person, who is the highest ranked at the time, decides that the CV should be thrown away in a reckless and foolish attack without any preparation, then it's screw the rest of the COUNTRY or a group of individuals that would like to keep the CV safe.
Control of CVs is non-democratic regardless of how they are or are not used. Hiding CVs is no more non-democratic than anything else you can do with them.
OK so what your saying here is that if I game the game and keep my score in the top 50, for the most part I could log on and suicide each CV my country owned and this would be "fair" play. right?
This is more along the lines of NOT stopping other peoples fun. If I want to use the CV I should be able to, no matter what my rank. In the time I could get a CV sunk, the Rook horde will have rolled a number of other bases any way.
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And if just 1 person, who is the highest ranked at the time, decides that the CV should be thrown away in a reckless and foolish attack without any preparation, then it's screw the rest of the COUNTRY or a group of individuals that would like to keep the CV safe.
Control of CVs is non-democratic regardless of how they are or are not used. Hiding CVs is no more non-democratic than anything else you can do with them.
Putting a CV into action that may cause it to be sunk is not anywhere near as lame as hiding, collecting, and protecting CVs in some obscure corner of a map like some selfish child not willing to share their candy.
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Putting a CV into action that may cause it to be sunk is not anywhere near as lame as hiding, collecting, and protecting CVs in some obscure corner of a map like some selfish child not willing to share their candy.
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No AKAK I'm talking about MY cv. The generals park it in the back country "hiding" it from the other basically saying "nobody can play with this".
So normally I give up the location so that at least SOMEBODY can play with it even if it IS the other team.
I just want make sure that this or is not against the rules. Also I would ask what gives the little general more rights than me where he can do what HE wants, but I can't. And by "I can't" I mean use the CV to attack.
I'm not condoning hiding the CV and keeping it out of play but I do think those that give out the location are no better than those that are hiding it. No matter how you try and deny it, in your scenario you are giving away the location because whoever is controlling the CV isn't playing how you want them to play and frankly, it's also a chicken watermelon thing to do. No matter how much we may hate the practice, hiding the CV is a tactic but giving out the location on open channel because you don't agree with it isn't a tactic, its chicken chit.
People demand fair play but only when it benefits themselves.
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I'm not condoning hiding the CV and keeping it out of play but I do think those that give out the location are no better than those that are hiding it. No matter how you try and deny it, in your scenario you are giving away the location because whoever is controlling the CV isn't playing how you want them to play and frankly, it's also a chicken watermelon thing to do. No matter how much we may hate the practice, hiding the CV is a tactic but giving out the location on open channel because you don't agree with it isn't a tactic, its chicken chit.
People demand fair play but only when it benefits themselves.
ack-ack
Jimminy friken crickets!!! I agree with you on this subject.
I cannot wait to comeback n take command of cvs n play boats too :aok
<S> greens
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People demand fair play but only when it benefits themselves.
ack-ack
Jimminy friken crickets!!! I agree with you on this subject.
I cannot wait to comeback n take command of cvs n play boats too :aok
<S> greens
Same feeling here, greens. I agree with ack ack. :O
End of the world ... dogs and cats ... living together ...
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OK so what your saying here is that if I game the game and keep my score in the top 50, for the most part I could log on and suicide each CV my country owned and this would be "fair" play. right?
It would not be cheating. It would be lame and people would probably complain - just like they complain about people hiding CVs.
Lame gameplay is not cheating. Lame gameplay is not an excuse to cheat. This is all I've been trying to get across.
If I want to use the CV I should be able to, no matter what my rank.
So you think the whole system of higher-ranking players being able to take and keep control of CVs is bad? Fine, I'm not wedded to it. But that's a separate issue, and however you feel about it, it doesn't justify cheating.
(I would prefer to keep something like the current system, though, not because I want to be able to move CVs 6 sectors back but because it's good to be able to prevent clueless 2-weekers from doing dumb things with them like running right into a nest of PTs or turning way too early to avoid buffs. It's also useful to be able to take it temporarily to keep someone from turning it right as a mission is launching - it's a lot harder to launch from a turning CV when there are 6-8 other planes overlapping yours and you can't see to steer.)
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Not fighting is a tactic, what happens when we all stop doing that?.......... :rolleyes:
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I'm not condoning hiding the CV and keeping it out of play but I do think those that give out the location are no better than those that are hiding it. No matter how you try and deny it, in your scenario you are giving away the location because whoever is controlling the CV isn't playing how you want them to play and frankly, it's also a chicken watermelon thing to do. No matter how much we may hate the practice, hiding the CV is a tactic but giving out the location on open channel because you don't agree with it isn't a tactic, its chicken chit.
People demand fair play but only when it benefits themselves.
ack-ack
Ack. I understand what you and HT is saying.
In this case from what I gathered, DMgod took some squaddies and sank the CV. True he switched to relate the location which is lame, but IMO..If you go through that much time and effort just to sink a damn pixlelated boat..then who cares? We all know DMgod is not the patron saint of AH, but at least he was honest about what he was doing. Ive seen this many many hundreds of times done by players and we just deal with it...Let em have it if its worth that much to them.
I dont like where this is going one bit. Seems babies screaming what they want these days and cant deal with it. Guys that have been playing this years and years have learned the hard way to deal with things we dont like
-Vulchers..up from a different feild
-NOE missions..Let em have it..always going to have a base to fly from
-Gangings/ENY..Switch countries
AND...If you hide a CV sectors away, guys are going to give cordinates away to come sink it..thats what we have to deal with and honestly that challenge is fun within itself. Come sink the boat, If I care that much about it, Ill mount a defense to stop you. Plenty of time to see someone coming when the CV is at the god awful part of the map. Nothing wrong with it what so ever IMO. Why get crucified for this while there is so much other lamness going on a day to day basis?
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Ack. I understand what you and HT is saying.
In this case from what I gathered, DMgod took some squaddies and sank the CV. True he switched to relate the location which is lame, but IMO..If you go through that much time and effort just to sink a damn pixlelated boat..then who cares? We all know DMgod is not the patron saint of AH, but at least he was honest about what he was doing. Ive seen this many many hundreds of times done by players and we just deal with it...Let em have it if its worth that much to them.
So because one tool was honest about it, then it's okay to do it? I call bullchit on that one. It doesn't matter how contrite the person is afterwards, the actions taken were no better than the actions the person was trying to counter. He was mad because one group wasn't playing his way and he was going to punish them for doing it.
I dont like where this is going one bit. Seems babies screaming what they want these days and cant deal with it.
And we see what happens when someone can't deal with it, they switch sides and report the CV location.
AND...If you hide a CV sectors away, guys are going to give cordinates away to come sink it..thats what we have to deal with and honestly that challenge is fun within itself. Come sink the boat, If I care that much about it, Ill mount a defense to stop you. Plenty of time to see someone coming when the CV is at the god awful part of the map. Nothing wrong with it what so ever IMO. Why get crucified for this while there is so much other lamness going on a day to day basis?
No matter how you try and spin it, you cannot justify lame, chicken watermelon game play. DMGOD brought whatever criticism he got on himself when he decided to switch countries and report the CV location because he didn't like how the other country was using their CV.
ack-ack
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Ah. OK, I'm out of this one.
- oldman
Yeah, you had better be praying for good winds, tomorrow. :lol
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Ack. I understand what you and HT is saying.
In this case from what I gathered, DMgod took some squaddies and sank the CV. True he switched to relate the location which is lame, but IMO..If you go through that much time and effort just to sink a damn pixlelated boat..then who cares? We all know DMgod is not the patron saint of AH, but at least he was honest about what he was doing. Ive seen this many many hundreds of times done by players and we just deal with it...Let em have it if its worth that much to them.
I dont like where this is going one bit. Seems babies screaming what they want these days and cant deal with it. Guys that have been playing this years and years have learned the hard way to deal with things we dont like
-Vulchers..up from a different feild
-NOE missions..Let em have it..always going to have a base to fly from
-Gangings/ENY..Switch countries
AND...If you hide a CV sectors away, guys are going to give cordinates away to come sink it..thats what we have to deal with and honestly that challenge is fun within itself. Come sink the boat, If I care that much about it, Ill mount a defense to stop you. Plenty of time to see someone coming when the CV is at the god awful part of the map. Nothing wrong with it what so ever IMO. Why get crucified for this while there is so much other lamness going on a day to day basis?
And so now we add hiding CVs is ok, let them do it, there are other bases/CVs.
Next we won't be upping from a certain sector because the horde is running NOEs from there and we might give them away. OK add that one to the list, we'll up someplace else, there are other bases after all.
Whens it all going to stop? One group of players dictating how the rest of us play. I thought it was my $15 and I could play how I want within HTC rules (what few there are).
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I guess some of us have been a little insensitive of how much time, effort and planning goes into milkrunning maps at odd hours to get a high rank so they can come to the BBS and espouse how they deserve control of carrier fleets...
deserve...
as if they earned it... :noid
I think I need to find a way to earn this right, myself...
On second thought, I think I'd prefer to remain gainfully employed and have a life...
Carry on..
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WOW now I've seen it all!
Now if I'm not mistaken, Warbeast you are always in a 5in gun or other manned gun on the bases am i right? (thought so)
Warbeast,when your in the 5in on the ships don't you routinely call out the location of the CV"S YOUR ON on channel 200 for everyone to see.(thought so)
So now i ask Hitech,what is the difference between this behavior and the one that you muted DMGOD for?(both are doing the same thing)
Sound like a double standard to me!
Thank You
This...
merits more discussion :aok
(and begs at least a token response from HTC staff)
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I guess some of us have been a little insensitive of how much time, effort and planning goes into milkrunning maps at odd hours to get a high rank so they can come to the BBS and espouse how they deserve control of carrier fleets...
deserve...
Please point me to where anyone has said this, I must have missed it.
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Wow, that was easy.
Almost takes the fun out of it...
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Please point me to where anyone has said this, I must have missed it.
How could you have missed it??
You just quoted it???
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How could you have missed it??
You just quoted it???
:aok
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How could you have missed it??
You just quoted it???
He even said "espouse"!!!!
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Oh, and for the record, I don't even think what DMGOD did was particularly egregious (he's done worse, in the form of taking control of the CV so no one could turn it while his squadmates bombed it).
What irks me so much is less the specific behavior than the attitude some people are taking here that if they don't like how someone else is playing or don't like how the rules of the game work, they are entitled to cheat, play dishonorably, or otherwise go around the rules in response. It's one thing to say "I don't like how CV command works" or "I think HTC should change the rules on CV command so that..." and another thing entirely to say "I don't like how CV command works, so I'll sabotage the team I'm on if they don't do what I say with the CV". That's acting like a spoiled 5-year-old.
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And so now we add hiding CVs is ok, let them do it, there are other bases/CVs.
wow, don't we take things to the extreme. Most have said that hiding CVs is lame game play, just as reporting the location of the CV is lame game play. Unless that is, you condemn lame game play when it effects you but condone it when it benefits you. You're not one of those guys are ya Fugitive?
ack-ack
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That's acting like a spoiled 5-year-old.
.......and hiding them isn't? Do you seriously believe your own home brewed caca del toro?
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How could you have missed it??
You just quoted it???
Von Messa was obviously being sarcastic. I mean point me to where anyone in this thread has said "I deserve to control CVs because my rank is higher than yours".
Perhaps you and Von M are misunderstanding the difference between that and "The game allows people with higher ranks to control CVs, and if you don't like that, you're entitled to complain or ask HTC to change it, but that's what the rule is and disliking it doesn't entitle you to cheat." World of difference there. Amazing as it is, a lot of people here seem to be having trouble seeing this distinction.
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.......and hiding them isn't?
Please write on the blackboard 1000 times:
Game play I see as lame is not the same as cheating.
Game play I see as lame is not the same as cheating.
Game play I see as lame is not the same as cheating.
etc.
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Von Messa was obviously being sarcastic. I mean point me to where anyone in this thread has said "I deserve to control CVs because my rank is higher than yours".
You really are delusional.
Rank controls CVs. Rank controls CVs whether the higher ranked guy is the one who wants to attack with it, or the one who wants to hold it back, or the one who wants to write his name with the course. That's part of the game. Grow up and deal.
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You really are delusional.
I think he was just stating how it currently works, not that they deserve it.
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I think he was just stating how it currently works, not that they deserve it.
No. He's trying to play the semantics game. It's ok, every person knows Sir Loki just tripped and fell on his own sword.
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Rank controls CVs. Rank controls CVs whether the higher ranked guy is the one who wants to attack with it, or the one who wants to hold it back, or the one who wants to write his name with the course. That's part of the game. Grow up and deal.
You really are in kindergarten.
"That's what the rule is" != "That's how the rule ought to be."
How hard is that to understand?
For the 500th time: I did not say "The rule is good, so you have no right to complain."
I said "The rule is what it is. Disliking the rule does not give you a license to cheat."
A six-year-old can understand that. Why can't you?
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No AKAK I'm talking about MY cv. The generals park it in the back country "hiding" it from the other basically saying "nobody can play with this".
So normally I give up the location so that at least SOMEBODY can play with it even if it IS the other team.
I just want make sure that this or is not against the rules. Also I would ask what gives the little general more rights than me where he can do what HE wants, but I can't. And by "I can't" I mean use the CV to attack.
Because he has the rank to do so, and you don't! That's YOUR problem, not his!
Simple solution, get a squadie or somebody else that has the rank, and take it away from the dude.
If you are willing to rat out your own countries CV locations to the other side, just because of somebody not doing what YOU want with them, well, that may not be cheating, but it's just as low and dispicable as what DM did, and probably deserves the same punishment as DM got! Do this enough times and you're gonna start earning a bad rep for yourself and your squad, and they'll likely wanna have a word with you about said membership in the squad!
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Disliking the rule does not give you a license to cheat."
A six-year-old can understand that. Why can't you?
I "guess" I've cheated. ( I must have missed that part of the contract)
And months later, I'm being "punished" for it. (I'm guessing, to try to convince me not to be a "repeat" offender)
And probably for being such a "disruption" to the game.
Ouch!!
I've been a bad boy.
PERK EVERYTHING!!
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Not fighting is a tactic, what happens when we all stop doing that?.......... :rolleyes:
This has happened, more than once or twice. What usually happens is the bunch in question gets bored and logs (heads to the forums and start whining) and a new bunch comes on and starts fighting, or milking, or reporting where the previously friendly now NMY CVs are. Wash rinse repeat..day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year....see where this is going?
PLAY BALL
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You really are in kindergarten.
"That's what the rule is" != "That's how the rule ought to be."
How hard is that to understand?
For the 500th time: I did not say "The rule is good, so you have no right to complain."
I said "The rule is what it is. Disliking the rule does not give you a license to cheat."
A six-year-old can understand that. Why can't you?
And you wonder why your squad is so hated? You guys want to play on to your own standards by which you dictate and care less how others feel on the subject. You think just because you shell out 15$ a month, you have the right to do whatever it is you feel fit for your needs only. Your "code of conduct" gets thrown out the window unless it fits your particular situation at that current time. There is NO honor within you guys what so ever.
I cant tell you how many times Ive logged on the early morning hours and spotted you guys at some rogue CV while having some of you on the oppisite side's roster. Coincidence? Remember whats good for the goose..well you know. Please feel free to keep this post as reference in the future so I can film and show the rest of the world what "honor" you guys have and how you guys live up to it.
Honor and sportsmanship means you are humble when you win and you realize that you are not going to win all the time. Floods of PMs to opposing players, your choice use of words (cheating*) involving aspects of gameplay that goes against your goals shows that you guys dont handle loosing really well. Until the day ( which I dont see happening soon) comes that you guys realize that you are playing in a sandbox with 100s of other players which dont see eye to eye, you will continue to live up to the community's stereotypes. Just some advice
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Just some advice
Just some advice...you may want to attack the argument made against you, instead of the player/squad
You did a great job of sounding like a whiny kid and not such a great job of refuting his point
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If you are willing to rat out your own countries CV locations to the other side, just because of somebody not doing what YOU want with them, well, that may not be cheating, but it's just as low and dispicable as what DM did, and probably deserves the same punishment as DM got!
Well, I'm going to go back to the factual question, because once again, the central issue is being blurred.
According the HiTech himself, doing what you cite here IS cheating. I'd refer you back to his post - the one in which he uses that analogy of playing poker with the expectation that his cards don't get rifled when he goes for a "bear" (sic or he has odd drinking habits, not sure which).
He claims that conduct such as DM's in this case is obviously prohibido. I would offer your post to him as evidence that mastery of the obvious is not a common player trait and that perhaps "The Code" is necessary.
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Just some advice...you may want to attack the argument made against you, instead of the player/squad
You did a great job of sounding like a whiny kid and not such a great job of refuting his point
Thanks, coombz, but we've heard it all before. I'd like to think I'm a pretty honorable player, I send out my <S>'s and I don't belittle anybody I've killed or have been killed by. So when he said that with an absolute garuntee that we have NO honor whatsoever I just stopped caring, because now he's just just drawing baseless conclusions about anybody with a "v" in front of their name. I hope this isn't how he approaches forming opinions about people in real life, because if so that'd be really sad. Fact is guys get hired, guys get fired, guys get second chances, and guys keep the uniform after leaving. I'd provide examples if it were any of my business or anybody else's, but it's not. And that's if I held no respect for them in the first place (which I don't).
EDIT: That's a double negative at the end, don't trip up.
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WOW now I've seen it all!
Now if I'm not mistaken, Warbeast you are always in a 5in gun or other manned gun on the bases am i right? (thought so)
Warbeast,when your in the 5in on the ships don't you routinely call out the location of the CV"S YOUR ON on channel 200 for everyone to see.(thought so)
So now i ask Hitech,what is the difference between this behavior and the one that you muted DMGOD for?(both are doing the same thing)
Sound like a double standard to me!
Thank You
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Wow long thread....
I always assumed "Cheating" was limitted to a code hack. Learn something new everyday.
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Wow long thread....
I always assumed "Cheating" was limitted to a code hack. Learn something new everyday.
lol thats what you get for assuming
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This thread 20 pages in..... Wont read them all but will go back to the op's original thoughts..........
100% wrong.........
I applaud the side switching, cv sinking mind. And if it's us Bish that are holding the cv in some far off place, with the right map, I can sit back and vulch NOE bombers all day long. I've even been called a cheater for doing that...... Can't think of the map name but it's the new "old" map (not Grinder, the island). Anyway, at the bottom there is only about a 12 mile distance between border and landfall, very easy to patrol.
<S> DMGOD <S> Keep doing what you're doing!
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<S> LLOGAN and thank you. I won't be doing it anymore because it is considered cheating by HTC. Apparently from these 22 pages the community agrees that hiding cvs is lame and hopefully each chess piece will police themselves and refrain from hiding them.
<S> to TRALFAZZ
<S> SNIPER30
<S> 68DYMO (got ur pm yesterday sir I just cant reply)
<S> DADSGUNS
<KISSES> ACK ACK
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HiTech pwned my words........... :uhoh
<S> LLOGAN and thank you. I won't be doing it anymore because it is considered cheating by HTC. Apparently from these 22 pages the community agrees that hiding cvs is lame and hopefully each chess piece will police themselves and refrain from hiding them.
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HAHA this thread's great...
DMGOD you should know better than to use your own account for such a purpose.
Do as the Bish have done since I started Aces High in 2008, and have a rotating 2 week account spying.
tut tut tut you should know better :uhoh
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So everyone understands HTC's position. If you change sides to find and kill a country's CV or if you announce your countries CV position just to grief your own country, If HTC finds or is given proof about it.
You will at a minimum be muted for 1 week.
HiTech
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Well, I say eliminate the source.
Get rid of CVs and take away the privileges to change country. :bhead
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You crazy man??? :huh There are more of us amphibious types in here than you might think....... :lol
Well, I say eliminate the source.
Get rid of CVs and take away the privileges to change country. :bhead
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You crazy man??? :huh There are more of us amphibious types in here than you might think....... :lol
:devil Just one of those crazy solutions :devil
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Although I'll tell you one thing.... The switching part, there are pro/con to each side but maybe if it were only every 24 hours, then we'd have less of the "silly-ness" :salute
:devil Just one of those crazy solutions :devil
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Tralfazz,
(1) I don't think we are hated, except by a few people like you. I think we're pretty well-liked among the bish, and we were among the nits when we flew nit. Some people don't like how we play, I like to think that doesn't rise to the level of hate. I don't wonder why you hate us.
(2) We generally fly all bish, all the time. If you see people on other countries very late at night, it's probably because there was no action for the bish.
(3) You're right, cheating is too harsh a word. I should have used the word Hitech just did, griefing. I tried to explain before, it's not the spying per se that ticks me off as much as the attitude of "If you don't play how I want, I'm going to break your toys." You will NEVER see anyone in our squad deliberately sabotaging our own country because we have a difference of opinion about how the game should be played.
(4) I admit I get too easily riled here. It's a character fault I try not to let carry over into the game.
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If the RookKnit's didn't talk crap, we would!!! Keep it up guys! :cheers:
Tralfazz,
(1) I don't think we are hated, except by a few people like you. I think we're pretty well-liked among the bish, and we were among the nits when we flew nit. Some people don't like how we play, I like to think that doesn't rise to the level of hate. I don't wonder why you hate us.
(2) We generally fly all bish, all the time. If you see people on other countries very late at night, it's probably because there was no action for the bish.
(3) You're right, cheating is too harsh a word. I should have used the word Hitech just did, griefing. I tried to explain before, it's not the spying per se that ticks me off as much as the attitude of "If you don't play how I want, I'm going to break your toys." You will NEVER see anyone in our squad deliberately sabotaging our own country because we have a difference of opinion about how the game should be played.
(4) I admit I get too easily riled here. It's a character fault I try not to let carry over into the game.
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So everyone understands HTC's position. If you change sides to find and kill a country's CV or if you announce your countries CV position just to grief your own country, If HTC finds or is given proof about it.
You will at a minimum be muted for 1 week.
HiTech
Fair enough, announcing cv locations are frowned upon.
So that you are clear, we can still go on the side that coincidentally may be hiding a cv and wait out the allotted time and come back on our own to kill the cv that is hidden as long as there are no announcements of said cv location, correct?
Lawd knows we dont want to respond to lame game play with something mo' lamerer....
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hitech , punish them by forcing them to be Knights a week - that will teach them :rock
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So everyone understands HTC's position. If you change sides to find and kill a country's CV or if you announce your countries CV position just to grief your own country, If HTC finds or is given proof about it.
You will at a minimum be muted for 1 week.
HiTech
Any other "unwritten" rules that we're not aware of??
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Any other "unwritten" rules that we're not aware of??
Of course there is.
What's the fun if they tell us the rules we need to abide by? Why not just let us "find out the hard way"
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Of course there is.
What's the fun if they tell us the rules we need to abide by? Why not just let us "find out the hard way"
These rules have to be written in pencil somewhere, posted on the front page I suppose in fine print,........ :rolleyes:
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These rules have to be written in pencil somewhere, posted on the front page I suppose in fine print,........ :rolleyes:
Well leaving it to the judgment of the people really worked :rolleyes:
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What is truly amazing to me is how so many folks seem to work so hard at complicating a game that in the end just isn't that hard to play.
Seems like a bunch of folks need to get outside more cause they're taking this stuff way too seriously.
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That didn't make any sense....I'll try to reword that lol
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So everyone understands HTC's position. If you change sides to find and kill a country's CV or if you announce your countries CV position just to grief your own country, If HTC finds or is given proof about it.
You will at a minimum be muted for 1 week.
HiTech
Thank-you for a clear and concise answer.
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So everyone understands HTC's position. If you change sides to find and kill a country's CV or if you announce your countries CV position just to grief your own country, If HTC finds or is given proof about it.
You will at a minimum be muted for 1 week.
HiTech
I hope this applies to trolls advertising their CV location in an effort to generate 5" gun kills for themselves...
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I hope this applies to trolls advertising their CV location in an effort to generate 5" gun kills for themselves...
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One would think so wouldn't they? only thing he's not doing is changing sides but all else implies to what was stated
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Tralfazz,
(1) I don't think we are hated, except by a few people like you. I think we're pretty well-liked among the bish, and we were among the nits when we flew nit. Some people don't like how we play, I like to think that doesn't rise to the level of hate. I don't wonder why you hate us.
(2) We generally fly all bish, all the time. If you see people on other countries very late at night, it's probably because there was no action for the bish.
(3) You're right, cheating is too harsh a word. I should have used the word Hitech just did, griefing. I tried to explain before, it's not the spying per se that ticks me off as much as the attitude of "If you don't play how I want, I'm going to break your toys." You will NEVER see anyone in our squad deliberately sabotaging our own country because we have a difference of opinion about how the game should be played.
(4) I admit I get too easily riled here. It's a character fault I try not to let carry over into the game.
Please for the love of ****, I could never hate anyone playing this game.
The day I do is the day you have to put me down and end it all because I truley lost my mind to get worked up on a video game.
I used to be an OreO. I know how things work within the squad so I know the mentality. Though Im not going to air dirty laundry, I can say that Dallas is a very cool guy to know personally, although I have to say he really takes this game way too seriously ( specificly to foe ). It wasnt the mentality that I prefered to be around after I found that these guys you were taught to hate and they are your mortal enemy are really nice guys to get to know. I took a break from the total CRUSH AND CONQUEST mentality and discovered a whole new world in this game that I truley got to respect and appreciate.
These people that are regarded as "elitists" are not trying to make you play their way. They are simply telling you that they've been there and done that in their AH career and that ther is a whole new level in this game that if you gave it a shot..youd probably like it. My advice..try touring and see how the squad reacts to it. It really puts things into perspective. If you dont like it, then no harm done.
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Tralfazz,
(3) You're right, cheating is too harsh a word. I should have used the word Hitech just did, griefing. I tried to explain before, it's not the spying per se that ticks me off as much as the attitude of "If you don't play how I want, I'm going to break your toys." You will NEVER see anyone in our squad deliberately sabotaging our own country because we have a difference of opinion about how the game should be played.
lol u guys keep saying "don't play the way we want". What's funny is how you guys try to force everybody to play the way you guys want. You guys taking the cvs out of play isn't what everybody wants. I flew Bish for a couple of months and I'm sure you recall anytime u guys would hide a cv I would try moving it back into play and man O man did you guys light up country and man the PMs I got were GREAT. So perhaps u should stop using the "we don't play the way u want us to card".
Not that it matters but I shall be switching to bish tonight and will be bish for tour 134 I'm really looking forward to spending some quality time with you guys
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lol u guys keep saying "don't play the way we want". What's funny is how you guys try to force everybody to play the way you guys want. You guys taking the cvs out of play isn't what everybody wants. I flew Bish for a couple of months and I'm sure you recall anytime u guys would hide a cv I would try moving it back into play and man O man did you guys light up country and man the PMs I got were GREAT. So perhaps u should stop using the "we don't play the way u want us to card".
Not that it matters but I shall be switching to bish tonight and will be bish for tour 134 I'm really looking forward to spending some quality time with you guys
Looking forward to flying with you. :salute
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WOW 23 pages in 3 days, that must be some kind of record!
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No way man..... They do not deserve a reward....................... .. :bolt:
That didn't make any sense....I'll try to reword that lol
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lol u guys keep saying "don't play the way we want". What's funny is how you guys try to force everybody to play the way you guys want.
PM and Country Channel wars over CV control are endless and go both ways. People take CVs and move them one way, and other people take them back and move them the other way, and zany hijinks ensue. But that isn't "forcing" anything, and it isn't what I'm saying is wrong.
What you WON'T see is anyone from our squad deliberately getting the CV sunk, purposefully fouling up someone else's mission, or otherwise sabotaging our own team if someone with a higher rank takes a CV or otherwise does something other than what we might prefer. That is what I mean by "I'll smash your toys if you don't play my way." Not disagreeing, but acting like a spoiled brat and breaking things in a temper tantrum if someone else gets their way.
I can promise you, if you have a higher rank and do something with a CV I think is foolish, I may tell you I think you're being foolish, but I will NOT help the enemy sink the CV in order to "punish" you for doing something I don't like. Nor will anyone else in the Devil's Brigade.
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PM and Country Channel wars over CV control are endless and go both ways. People take CVs and move them one way, and other people take them back and move them the other way, and zany hijinks ensue. But that isn't "forcing" anything, and it isn't what I'm saying is wrong.
What you WON'T see is anyone from our squad deliberately getting the CV sunk, purposefully fouling up someone else's mission, or otherwise sabotaging our own team if someone with a higher rank takes a CV or otherwise does something other than what we might prefer. That is what I mean by "I'll smash your toys if you don't play my way." Not disagreeing, but acting like a spoiled brat and breaking things in a temper tantrum if someone else gets their way.
I can promise you, if you have a higher rank and do something with a CV I think is foolish, I may tell you I think you're being foolish, but I will NOT help the enemy sink the CV in order to "punish" you for doing something I don't like. Nor will anyone else in the Devil's Brigade.
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QFT :cheers:
PM and Country Channel wars over CV control are endless and go both ways.
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Wow long thread....
I always assumed "Cheating" was limitted to a code hack. Learn something new everyday.
That would make 2 of us.
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Well, HiTech/Skuzzy, there you go. I sought, early in this thread, to get the factual question of what constitutes cheating resolved. You have now clarified the issue with regard to CV betrayal. Your position on this surprised several people who WEREN'T aware that such a thing would be defined as a cheat, since it was not proscribed by any written or coded set of rules. Now they're asking if there are further rules of which we are currently unaware.
This whole thing screams for a code of conduct, unfortunately, because what's obvious to you is apparently not obvious to everyone else. In fact, I'd solicit the user base for those rules, since editing is always easier than composing and they, as users, have doubtless encountered every "code" situation possible. Perhaps you could have a subtopic here for submissions..? This would have the added advantage of giving the user base some ownership over the code - yet would retain your dicretionary oversight. That way they own it but it isn't some ridicuolously democratic form (note the little d - I'm not violating the rule on politics, thus) of institutionalized mob rule. Ask the ancient Greeks how that one worked out, as an aside.
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Well, HiTech/Skuzzy, there you go. I sought, early in this thread, to get the factual question of what constitutes cheating resolved. You have now clarified the issue with regard to CV betrayal. Your position on this surprised several people who WEREN'T aware that such a thing would be defined as a cheat, since it was not proscribed by any written or coded set of rules. Now they're asking if there are further rules of which we are currently unaware.
This whole thing screams for a code of conduct, unfortunately, because what's obvious to you is apparently not obvious to everyone else. In fact, I'd solicit the user base for those rules, since editing is always easier than composing and they, as users, have doubtless encountered every "code" situation possible. Perhaps you could have a subtopic here for submissions..? This would have the added advantage of giving the user base some ownership over the code - yet would retain your dicretionary oversight. That way they own it but it isn't some ridicuolously democratic form (note the little d - I'm not violating the rule on politics, thus) of institutionalized mob rule. Ask the ancient Greeks how that one worked out, as an aside.
I submit to you that the disclosure of the location of a CV is obviously against the rules to everyone. The only thing people are trying to argue is that going against the rules is worth it, if someone is not using the CV the way you wish.
What you are asking for is really again very simple and akin to what most people learn in kindergarten. I.E. Play nice. If a person hasn't learned that simple lesson , no code of conduct would make any difference to them.
The end result would be people who abuse the system now would then still do the same, only now try use the excuse, "But it's not precisely in the C.O.C.".
HiTech
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So hiding a CV for the sake of "base count" (even tho they call it denying the enemy it's resourses) is playing nice.
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Fair enough, announcing cv locations are frowned upon.
So that you are clear, we can still go on the side that coincidentally may be hiding a cv and wait out the allotted time and come back on our own to kill the cv that is hidden as long as there are no announcements of said cv location, correct?
Lawd knows we dont want to respond to lame game play with something mo' lamerer....
You quote Hitech stating explicitly that you cannot change sides to find a CV and you read it as stating that you can change sides to find a CV. Let me help you. You are not correct. You are wrong. You cannot change sides, note the position of the CVs, change back, and sink those CVs. Please let me know if you need further clarification.
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So hiding a CV for the sake of "base count" (even tho they call it denying the enemy it's resourses) is playing nice.
What do you want?
HiTech is responding personally on these forums. I have never played a game where players have access to the owner/programmer/head bottle washer like we all have in Aces High.
All players have opinions on what makes the game fun. Some are motivated to hide a carrier. They have the same sense of entitlement as you. You can't have it your way all the time.
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<Cleansing breath>
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One solution is to remove cvs from the base count. Just count the ports. Then the only rationale for hiding a task group would be denial of service.
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I find it interesting that Fugitive's question has gone unanswered.
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never mind, wrong thread
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I submit to you that the disclosure of the location of a CV is obviously against the rules to everyone. The only thing people are trying to argue is that going against the rules is worth it, if someone is not using the CV the way you wish.
What you are asking for is really again very simple and akin to what most people learn in kindergarten. I.E. Play nice. If a person hasn't learned that simple lesson , no code of conduct would make any difference to them.
The end result would be people who abuse the system now would then still do the same, only now try use the excuse, "But it's not precisely in the C.O.C.".
HiTech
I'm not going to haggle with you on this mainly because I haven't got a dog in this fight. I suspect others might, though - fugi already has.
As for the CoC, yes, it is as you say. I already stated, when I first proposed it, that it won't change behavior. Instead, I see it as a customer sat thing - the perps won't be able to allege selective enforcement.
In any case, it is a VERY GOOD thing to have you respond here, speaking of customer sat.
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Thank-you for a clear and concise answer.
I find it interesting that Fugitive's question has gone unanswered.
Funny how Fugitive disagrees with you.
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I think he might be referring to my question about "hiding cvs" being playing nice.
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Exactly. :aok
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Aces High sure is a fun game to play.
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I think he might be referring to my question about "hiding cvs" being playing nice.
Then you should have a question mark on your statement. :D
So hiding a CV for the sake of "base count" (even tho they call it denying the enemy it's resourses) is playing nice.
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No politics yes please.
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No Politics please
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lol, time to lock, I suppose.
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That confirms it.
Skuzzy went fishing :aok
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This is America, it's there House they own it, there Rules, maybe Oprah will Listen
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so jokers jokers hide cvs too lol too funny
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so jokers jokers hide cvs too lol too funny
Someone besides a vtard hid a CV?! Whaaaa-?!?!?! :huh
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lol yup guess i was wrong in thinking that things may change a bit after this thread. Guess thats what I get for thinking
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so jokers jokers hide cvs too lol too funny
And apparently the only thing you can do about it is have someone with a higher rank take it over.
They are effectivly taking the CV out of game play.
Yaaaaaaaaaay.
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And apparently the only thing you can do about it is have someone with a higher rank take it over.
They are effectivly taking the CV out of game play.
Yaaaaaaaaaay.
I tried taking it but busher doesnt want to allow the others in the game the same privs he has guess hes better then everybody else. Once again the actions of 1 person dictating how hundreds play the game
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Everyone hide cv's, its always the first move when your country captures one...I guess we won't be able to have a good fight out of that cv :cry
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I tried taking it but busher doesnt want to allow the others in the game the same privs he has guess hes better then everybody else. Once again the actions of 1 person dictating how hundreds play the game
Yup, that behavior pushed me over the proverbial edge one night and now I'm muted because of it.
Apparently I lost my head AND my vox and text privledges. :O
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Yup, that behavior pushed me over the proverbial edge one night and now I'm muted because of it.
Apparently I lost my head AND my vox and text privledges. :O
Sad, isn't it?
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Yup, that behavior pushed me over the proverbial edge one night and now I'm muted because of it.
Apparently I lost my head AND my vox and text privledges. :O
Well...
Since you and DMgod are already muted...
http://www.ventrilo.com/ (http://www.ventrilo.com/)
http://www.teamspeak.com/ (http://www.teamspeak.com/)
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Well...
Since you and DMgod are already muted...
http://www.ventrilo.com/ (http://www.ventrilo.com/)
http://www.teamspeak.com/ (http://www.teamspeak.com/)
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lol
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lol so now I'm being accused of cheating because khonees went off on his own to find the missing cv. SPITE BUSHER I am MUTED in game I can not talk to anybody. Please stop making accusations of me cheating on country channel.
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Since we're on the subject:
If players are getting their speaking privileges removed for a week for calling out CV positions, I propose that players that make cheating, spying, etc... accusations also get muted for a week.
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I propose that players who take the game too seriously get muted for a week. :D
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I think he might be referring to my question about "hiding cvs" being playing nice.
HT already answered that Page 13, reply #189
Not even close to the crux.
IF what you state was the case DMGOD would have been telling the other side where his CV's are.
My involvement in this thread has nothing to do about how to control CV's. That would be an internal country argument. This is all about the unhidden completely unacceptable behavior of changing side, and then being completely disloyal to your new country and trying to go around the game rules by telling your original side where the CV is.
As I said hiding a cv is a perfectly legit tactic. Changing sides to find a CV is not. You may wish to discus the methods of how it is decided when or when not to hide a CV and what methods determine how this is done. But again it has nothing to do with the abuse of the system that DMGOD has done.
HiTech
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I propose that players who take the game too seriously get muted for a week. :D
Are you implying that I take the game too seriously?
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I like how he uses the "looking at someones cards" analogy,,,
Kinda like playing 5 card draw and someone at the table is holding 10 cards and we are not supposed to look? :lol
Then as this person with 10 cards is winning the pot o gold he is skimming the money off the table and putting it in his pocket before the game is over.
Now I don't know who plays poker like that, but where I am from you would get your :ahand
Look over here,,,, but not over here...... :bhead :rofl
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I like how he uses the "looking at someones cards" analogy,,,
Kinda like playing 5 card draw and someone at the table is holding 10 cards and we are not supposed to look? :lol
Then as this person with 10 cards is winning the pot o gold he is skimming the money off the table and putting it in his pocket before the game is over.
Now I don't know who plays poker like that, but where I am from you would get your :ahand
Look over here,,,, but not over here...... :bhead :rofl
In other words you don't know what an analogy is. :lol
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I'll give any poker analogy merit based solely on the title of the game we're playing.
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I'll give any poker analogy merit based solely on the title of the game we're playing.
2-7 lowball
you lose!
:D
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Why is this even being discussed? Blatantly cheating to gain an advantage against another team is always wrong wether you are playing Aces High or Monopoly.
Anyway what does muting do to discourage this? How about zeroing perk points and locking the player to only riding with other players for a week? Now that would make them play nice. Maybe even have their handle have a little dunce cap next to it like a scarlet letter signifying this player was caught cheating within this tour. :cheers:
LTARogue
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Why is this even being discussed? Blatantly cheating to gain an advantage against another team is always wrong wether you are playing Aces High or Monopoly.
Anyway what does muting do to discourage this? How about zeroing perk points and locking the player to only riding with other players for a week? Now that would make them play nice. Maybe even have their handle have a little dunce cap next to it like a scarlet letter signifying this player was caught cheating within this tour. :cheers:
LTARogue
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Why is this even being discussed? Blatantly cheating to gain an advantage against another team is always wrong wether you are playing Aces High or Monopoly.
LTARogue
In my case, I didn't do it to gain an "advantage".
The CV was ours, and we owned the port it came from.
The wise ones elected to bury the CV in the corner of the map, rendering it useless.
"If" the enemy could get to and sink the CV it would have simply re-appeared at our port.
I knew they already knew where it was.(but they couldn't feasibly get to it) My actions were more to antagonize the guys who were hiding the CV 6+ sectors away from any action.
It backfired. So brand me.
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so jokers jokers hide cvs too lol too funny
Someone besides a vtard hid a CV?! Whaaaa-?!?!?! :huh
:headscratch: I thought they were part of the same squad, just a different wing? :headscratch:
They operate in the exact same manner.........
:noid
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:headscratch: I thought they were part of the same squad, just a different wing? :headscratch:
They operate in the exact same manner.........
:noid
Alchemists the same as the Devils? Please. I've flown with both and I know the Alchemists approach attack missions their own way.
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it's amazing to me how people are so concerned about a stupid CV, either hiding it, or ratting it out.
how anyone could get so worked up either way.. I just don't get it.
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it's amazing to me how people are so concerned about a stupid CV, either hiding it, or ratting it out.
how anyone could get so worked up either way.. I just don't get it.
^THIS^
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it's amazing to me how people are so concerned about a stupid CV, either hiding it, or ratting it out.
how anyone could get so worked up either way.. I just don't get it.
Whats next Kvuo? One day your going to up from a flashing base, come across a NOE and thwart it and then the babies are going to cry foul.
This issue has been "dealt" with every since Ive been in my 2 week trial. You hide a CV, chances are its going to get sunk. Both actions are completly lame but only one side is getting punished :confused:
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can we just let this die off
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Alchemists the same as the Devils? Please. I've flown with both and I know the Alchemists approach attack missions their own way.
Go back and reread my first post, the one you responded to, and read BOTH quotes referenced. But this time do it without alcohol or whatever had impaired your comprehension.
:aok
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Are you implying that I take the game too seriously?
Jeez I hope not :)
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Jeez I hope not :)
I hope not, too, considering it would be weird to be so serious about a game I don't even play anymore :D
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I don't really think that this is that big of a deal, I might complain if a person takes control of a CV only to destroy it but this game has maps where you really need a carrier to advance your front.
In the case of a stolen boat, if a country can't work together well enough to bomb a carrier of all things do you really think the deserve to win it? This is a combat simulation and nobody should feel entitled to anything they can't blow up first.
<S>
vWNTRGRN
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Go back and reread my first post, the one you responded to, and read BOTH quotes referenced. But this time do it without alcohol or whatever had impaired your comprehension.
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Wasn't a comprehension issue, I simply typed Alch's instead of Jokers by accident. I'm a good friend with some of the Alch's and I've been getting to know the Jokers better, I sometimes mix them up by accident when talking about one or the other. In the middle of typing what I'm saying sometimes I might substitute words for what I was thinking about. Frustratingly, this happens quite often. Especially when I'm multi-tasking. I'm sure I'm not the only quick-typer who has a problem with this.
Thanks for not drawing conclusions about my IQ and instead saying it must have been a mistake on the part of a drug. I appreciate it. :aok
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Hide?
The salami?
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Wasn't a comprehension issue, I simply typed Alch's instead of Jokers by accident. I'm a good friend with some of the Alch's and I've been getting to know the Jokers better, I sometimes mix them up by accident when talking about one or the other. In the middle of typing what I'm saying sometimes I might substitute words for what I was thinking about. Frustratingly, this happens quite often. Especially when I'm multi-tasking. I'm sure I'm not the only quick-typer who has a problem with this.
Thanks for not drawing conclusions about my IQ and instead saying it must have been a mistake on the part of a drug. I appreciate it. :aok
I understand, they are spelled similarly so I understand how you could accidentally type one instead of the other. I have the same problem with mixing up or using the incorrect ostriches as well, I often experience it while trying to type a post on my cat and talk on the stapler at the same time.
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I understand, they are spelled similarly so I understand how you could accidentally type one instead of the other. I have the same problem with mixing up or using the incorrect ostriches as well, I often experience it while trying to type a post on my cat and talk on the stapler at the same time.
The invoice for my new monitor is in the mail...
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I understand, they are spelled similarly so I understand how you could accidentally type one instead of the other. I have the same problem with mixing up or using the incorrect ostriches as well, I often experience it while trying to type a post on my cat and talk on the stapler at the same time.
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You're a real hoot.
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You're a real hoot.
only on my first cup of coffee, too. :D
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I understand, they are spelled similarly so I understand how you could accidentally type one instead of the other. I have the same problem with mixing up or using the incorrect ostriches as well, I often experience it while trying to type a post on my cat and talk on the stapler at the same time.
:rofl :rofl
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I do not believe it is reasonable to expect HTC to spell out every rule that might apply to the game. In some cases the "reasonable and prudent (unwritten)" should be enough for a reasonable and prudent person to make decisions about what is and what is not acceptable.
My example would be the old gameboard "Battleship" game. I have this game at home and I checked the rules. No where does it say that it is against the rules to peek over and see where your apponent has his ships positioned. I think that any reasonable and prudent person would not find "peeking" acceptable.
I know others have drawn parrallell's with other examples, (playing cards) etc. I hope this clarifies my own personal opinion, for whatever that is worth.
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Charlie Sheen jokes anybody? :P
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Charlie Sheen jokes anybody? :P
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Since we're on the subject:
If players are getting their speaking privileges removed for a week for calling out CV positions, I propose that players that make cheating, spying, etc... accusations also get muted for a week.
So, no one's really answered this post. Any comments?
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So, no one's really answered this post. Any comments?
Oh, that was a serious proposition.
No.
False reports should be punishable because that's against the rules, calling somebody out for breaking the rules isn't breaking any rules. It's why the .report function exists.
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So, no one's really answered this post. Any comments?
Nobody likes a tattletail.
vWNTRGRN
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Since we're on the subject:
If players are getting their speaking privileges removed for a week for calling out CV positions, I propose that players that make cheating, spying, etc... accusations also get muted for a week.
So, no one's really answered this post. Any comments?
HiTech has answered that question a long time ago in a thread talking about that very subject of people accusing others of cheating on the forums and in game. The answer was, those people can also be muted or suspended from the game for doing it.
ack-ack
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Oh, that was a serious proposition.
No.
False reports should be punishable because that's against the rules, calling somebody out for breaking the rules isn't breaking any rules. It's why the .report function exists.
But that's what the ".report" command is for. Why bring it out on an open channel?
HiTech has answered that question a long time ago in a thread talking about that very subject of people accusing others of cheating on the forums and in game. The answer was, those people can also be muted or suspended from the game for doing it.
ack-ack
That's what I thought, too. SO shouldn't this include those that accuse people of changing countries to sink a CV out of paranoia?
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But that's what the ".report" command is for. Why bring it out on an open channel?
That's what I thought, too. SO shouldn't this include those that accuse people of changing countries to sink a CV out of paranoia?
Oh, you meant accusations on open channel. I'm not sure then. My knee-jerk opinion is still no, but I'd like to hear your reasoning for it, if you may.
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SO shouldn't this include those that accuse people of changing countries to sink a CV out of paranoia?
That's up to the powers that be that run this game to decide, not us mere mortals.
ack-ack
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Oh, you meant accusations on open channel. I'm not sure then. My knee-jerk opinion is still no, but I'd like to hear your reasoning for it, if you may.
It's the same reasoning used with the BBS. Hitech and Skuzzy always say to not bring their business onto the bulletin boards for an open crowd, but rather to e-mail them. They also say to use the report system in game and on here, too. Basically, keep it between yourself and the folks at HTC. So, why broadcast over an open channel about such accusations?
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That's up to the powers that be that run this game to decide, not us mere mortals.
ack-ack
Which is why I'm putting it out there for discussion. Lord knows they won't listen to me, so I wanted to know what you guys though. :)
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It's the same reasoning used with the BBS. Hitech and Skuzzy always say to not bring their business onto the bulletin boards for an open crowd, but rather to e-mail them. They also say to use the report system in game and on here, too. Basically, keep it between yourself and the folks at HTC. So, why broadcast over an open channel about such accusations?
100% sound argument, imo. I agree.
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They're coming Charlie, they're coming!
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Oh, you meant accusations on open channel. I'm not sure then. My knee-jerk opinion is still no, but I'd like to hear your reasoning for it, if you may.
IMHO people who accuse others of cheating or spying without proof, either on 200, the BBS, or with the .report function, without verifiable proof, should be subject to the same punishment as those that commit the crime would receive - if the accusation is found to be false.
If you're gonna call someone out, you better be ready to face the consequences if you're wrong in your accusation and the person you're pointing the finger at did nothing wrong.
Look, I have my suspisions about certain people in this game, and certain areas they may or may not be able to do or "exploit." I would never come here, 200, or anywhere else and make any such accusation without proof. I may send film in to be reviewed, but that is something that HTC keeps private about, and not for discussion in the public arena or forums. That's just how it is. Anyone who doesn't like that and decides to air such allegations should be subject to just as much penalty as the person committing the offense would receive were they to be caught.
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Exactly what I said Reaper!