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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FORK2 on April 09, 2014, 04:36:10 PM
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I'm 50 years old, retired military and have been playing video games when they could only be found in an arcade. Having said that I can only say with a great deal of regret how disappointed I am in this game and in the people in it. Before you tell me to go elsewhere, or tell me you've been playing the game for a bazillion years and STFU, or I don't respect the game, or whatever your excuse is for not listening to people when they don't tell you what you want to hear let me explain.
I had been looking for a realistic war game, specifically a WWII aerial combat MMOG for a long time. I would have joined the game months ago except I had a MAC I didn't want to partition just to play a vid game (been there done that, WAY too glitchy) and waited until I could justify to the wife another computer purchase. So I studied AH for 2 months, reading all I could about the different plane types and watching the YOUTUBE videos of VUDU and others. In fact over the two months I can honestly say I was as prepared for the game as anyone that has ever played it.
Two weeks into the game have soured me on it however. it's the rudeness of the people in the game and the still mind boggling complexity of the game... Not the learning how to fly or dog fight, No, I've learned how to fly the planes and I've won my last several one on one dogfights, nor the how do I go to this screen to configure this or that control or adjust this or that view etc (tho that is daunting enough for a new player) ... It's trying to learn how to FIGHT in a complex map situation when there are few that want to answer questions, you're treated like a spy on your own team, no one listens, you're treated like an average 13 year old (whose reflexes btw could probably whip most in the game after a week), and EVERYONE is a know-it-all because they've been playing the game for a bazillion years...For example, I had a Knit (a ten year veteran of the game he so informed me) tell me a Thatch Weave was a Rolling Scissors (it's not, google it).
Perhaps It's just the Bish and Knit mindset, IDK, I just today switched over to the Rooks today and I hope things will be different. Just in case let me, as a new and fresh prospective, lend some advice.
1) Acknowledge the game is dying. There's fewer than 120 people logged most days in the US and fewer than 450 on the weekends...those are abysmal numbers for a mmog. If you still don't believe me then why is there no longer two late war arenas and rarely more than 10 people in the others?
2) Do something about it... if you love the game you'll want to see it continue correct? You need people in the game to pay for it. You have to pay a decent salary to get decent programmers!!!
A) Quit treating every new person as an enemy! So what if there are spys? You think the average person can't figure out there's a bombing mission on your starts after the first week? Get over yourselves and welcome the newcomers.
B) Invite the newcomers into your squads. U see a new guy? Jump on him and ask HIM what he needs and what he likes to do. Don't tell him what to fight in, TEACH him how and where. Show them the ropes. Teach them in the late war arena, no one wants to be stuck hours on end, alone, in the practice arena, just to learn what a stall is. Remember, you only have two weeks to persuade the guy to stay in the game. After that he's gone if the game is too boring or if the people in it suck!!!
C) Persuade AH to make changes for new people. The game is too complex, which really, REALLY, hampers playability. The game isn't that historically accurate anyway so make it easy on the new guys ((sure, yes, the plane performance is probably close enough, but the war wasn't a three way battle between chess pieces either. (Don't say something snarky like go to AVA... Why? There was only three guys in the last Schweinfurt raid!))
I) Persuade AH to create an automatic landing procedure. Like Shift, l,m, p (land my plane) the AI will then take your plane to the nearest friendly airbase (fuel permitting) and land. (people will stop doing it after they've learned how to keep the dang plane lvl and get vulched a few times. Come up with other ideas to simplify the game for newbies. You wanna more complex game? Turn off the automatic take offs ETC ETC.
II) Convince AH to publish game hints like "How to take a base" (the Knits could learn from that one!) or "Carrier tactics" or "Squadron Tactics" or "Hints on how to win a map" "The importance of Strats" etc etc. Don't just assume people know it or will pick it up before they've decided to bail on a game that's taking their money, boring, and where everyone is a D*ck...
III) Convince AH to Update the plane characteristics! Having old info is a DEAD giveaway the game is losing membership. I almost didn't get the game after reading them. I knew they were last updated in like, what? 2007?
Last but not least listen to new people. Don't assume just because you've been in the game for 10 years you know everything or that a new person doesn't have skills. We do and some of us are pilots or have pilots in the family. My step father was a Navy Pilot that flew off the Essex in WWII. Some of us know A LOT about WWII. Why else would we even put up with the complexity of the game if we were not interested in the topic? BEFORE we showed up... You tell new people long enough to STFU and they will... when they go to a new game... and sooner or later your game WILL DIE from lack of interest... Just look at the numbers and ask yourself how long the owners are going to invest any time or money into it when their revenue stream is drying up?
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See Rule #4
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If you get time try some of the Special Events. Find a squad that participates in the FSO every Friday night and give it a try, you'll enjoy the immersion and what happens in the LWA seems less important. Try out Scenarios as well along with any of the other special events, they're well worth the effort usually. Lastly give the game a little more time. There are some great people here don't let a few rude people ruin the whole experiance for you.
Good Luck.
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The numbers are dwindling quite rapidly. Nothing is more painful that playing the off hours on a huge map that only has 10 people online.
Hopefully the new terrain and water update (and some advertising afterwards) will draw in some new blood to the game. However, the way those new players will be treated has me a little worried. All to often I see new players asking questions and getting sarcastic or rude replies because "It's a simple thing! You should know about it!" No, they don't know about it because they're new. How about helping them out by answering their questions so they don't have to keep asking and keep getting bashed? Just because most of us have been around for several years and know a lot of this game, doesn't mean everyone is. New players are new players. They have very little or no knowledge of this stuff and will quit the game if all they get is bashed for asking questions.
I try to help new guys out whenever I can by answering questions, explaining aerial maneuvers the best I can, or taking them for a ride in my plane for a sortie or two. I'm not the only one who actually tries to help out new guys but there really isn't very many people left who do help them anymore. It's all about the ego's and trying to prove you can own anyone in a fight without actually fighting anyone (other than verbal assaults on 200).
Fork you should join us in the DA tonight at 8PM EST. We'll show you that not all of us are rude, and we still know how to have fun. :) :cheers: :salute
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See Rule #4 (quoted a bad one)
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Think you just proved his point! I was in arena when he got most of the d...Headed remarks. If it wasn't for respect of the game he wouldn't have posted his remarks! YOU are the arses that kill this game
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Coogan
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Nothing is more painful that playing the off hours on a huge map that only has 10 people online.
Fortunately this still has to happen
(No, 10 players on 15 mins after map reset doesn't count ;) )
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Summary: The players need to evolve. I would add that the game itself needs to improve but they are upgrading it. They recently added some bombers and upgraded others, the B-26, Tu-2, Yak-3, etc and are currently working on new software graphics consistent with the year 2014.
When I first signed on squads meant something. Many squad actions, Squad Dueling League, etc. That has died down over the past couple of years. I know when World of Warcraft showed up, even in Beta, many players left. The feedback was that WoW had awesome graphics, very arcadish.
I see two action items:
1. Once graphics are updated they roll out a big, heavy PR/marketing campaign, and
2. Somehow squad action, etc needs to mean something.
With item 2, various ideas have been floated yet to Fork2s point the answer is 'yada, yada, yada Ive been here forever, get bent, won't work.' Ideas such as make the icon for 2-weekers a different color "in-country' so you can instantly see who is new and may need help. When it comes to base taking, maybe those in a dedicated mission all get X perks once captured. Or, maybe they could run a mission with perk birds and those that opt into mission can fly the birds even if they don't have enough perks.
Of course, these could be abused so maybe only certain pilots or squad leaders could run those 'perk missions.' We already screen classy sticks to be trainers, so a precedent has been set.
Anyway, many share the concern...
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While I'll concede that you do have many valid points I do believe you are painting the game with broad strokes,what I mean is you have a single sided view!
I for one would never want to see HTC "dumb down" any of the game,particularly the planes and how the operate. I personally think it's too easy as far as engine management goes.
Shifty is spot on,give yourself some time,try other events,join a squad and make some friends,I think you'd find the game will take on a whole new feeling if you only give these things a chance.
If you're interested in learning more,I'm usually in the training arena most week nights between 9pm and 11 pm eastern. Check the roster to see if I'm logged on and feel free to ask question,shoot at me or any other thing that might interest you.
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First thing, ignore 100Coogn.
Second I think it's a great first post. I too am in my 50's, but I have been here over 10 years. My Dad who is in his 70's just started flying again.
Now, while agree with most of what you posted there are a number of things that you either don't know, or don't understand.
Game information: All of the things you asked for ...how to capture a base... CV ops.. and other things are available on either the trainers page, or HTC's help pages. The Aces High Wiki is also a great place for info. As for the plane information being out of day, the planes don't change so what is posted on the F4u-D while being 10 years old is still up to day as it is the same plane we had back then. The newer planes take a bit of time to be added, but they do update them. Using off site sites like Doc Gonzos site or Soda's site isn't anything HTC can control. You want them updated, get a hold of the site owner.
HTC is a small company and they like it like that.
As for the arenas, yes it is getting more and more "toxic" as far as what the community allows. The more tolerant the community the less HTC polices it. If you see/hear something you think is out of line use the "report" function and report them. HTC will review the incident and take any action they deem necessary.
As far as posting here to get players to change, only a small percentage of player read the boards.... under 5%. The only way you will see change is if HTC looks and see's a problem and they decide to address the issue.
What you can do, is first off do not tune the radio in the game to channel 200. Play the game YOU want to. If you want to make bomber runs to the strats go for it. Other won't "thank-you" but you KNOW you helped even if they don't understand HOW you helped. Play with other that are having fun. If you fly around those clowns that are always complaining about one thing or another they will drag you down. Stick with it! This game has a lot of things to do in it, and experience. It could take you months just to even touch on all of them let alone get comfortable with them.
Have fun, its a game.
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Fortunately this still has to happen
(No, 10 players on 15 mins after map reset doesn't count ;) )
Are you saying is HAS happened? Or HASN'T and just typo'd? :)
I have seen the numbers in the off hours down to about 10 people (ok, there was actually 20 or so online, but half or more were afk and only very few were in-flight). These kind of numbers are ok on the small maps, but when you only have about 10-20 people actually in-flight on maps with 200 miles long front's and 200+ bases, there's just nothing to do other than farm some bomber points.
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See Rule #4
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I believe I expressed that it was a nice first post.
If you read the OP's post, you will see that I was joking. Don't be a dick.
Coogan
you did a poor job
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you did a poor job
Perhaps it went over your head as well.
Coogan
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I'm 50 years old, retired military and have been playing video games when they could only be found in an arcade. Having said that I can only say with a great deal of regret how disappointed I am in this game and in the people in it. Before you tell me to go elsewhere, or tell me you've been playing the game for a bazillion years and STFU, or I don't respect the game, or whatever your excuse is for not listening to people when they don't tell you what you want to hear let me explain.
I had been looking for a realistic war game, specifically a WWII aerial combat MMOG for a long time. I would have joined the game months ago except I had a MAC I didn't want to partition just to play a vid game (been there done that, WAY too glitchy) and waited until I could justify to the wife another computer purchase. So I studied AH for 2 months, reading all I could about the different plane types and watching the YOUTUBE videos of VUDU and others. In fact over the two months I can honestly say I was as prepared for the game as anyone that has ever played it.
Two weeks into the game have soured me on it however. it's the rudeness of the people in the game and the still mind boggling complexity of the game... Not the learning how to fly or dog fight, No, I've learned how to fly the planes and I've won my last several one on one dogfights, nor the how do I go to this screen to configure this or that control or adjust this or that view etc (tho that is daunting enough for a new player) ... It's trying to learn how to FIGHT in a complex map situation when there are few that want to answer questions, you're treated like a spy on your own team, no one listens, you're treated like an average 13 year old (whose reflexes btw could probably whip most in the game after a week), and EVERYONE is a know-it-all because they've been playing the game for a bazillion years...For example, I had a Knit (a ten year veteran of the game he so informed me) tell me a Thatch Weave was a Rolling Scissors (it's not, google it).
Perhaps It's just the Bish and Knit mindset, IDK, I just today switched over to the Rooks today and I hope things will be different. Just in case let me, as a new and fresh prospective, lend some advice.
1) Acknowledge the game is dying. There's fewer than 120 people logged most days in the US and fewer than 450 on the weekends...those are abysmal numbers for a mmog. If you still don't believe me then why is there no longer two late war arenas and rarely more than 10 people in the others?
2) Do something about it... if you love the game you'll want to see it continue correct? You need people in the game to pay for it. You have to pay a decent salary to get decent programmers!!!
A) Quit treating every new person as an enemy! So what if there are spys? You think the average person can't figure out there's a bombing mission on your starts after the first week? Get over yourselves and welcome the newcomers.
B) Invite the newcomers into your squads. U see a new guy? Jump on him and ask HIM what he needs and what he likes to do. Don't tell him what to fight in, TEACH him how and where. Show them the ropes. Teach them in the late war arena, no one wants to be stuck hours on end, alone, in the practice arena, just to learn what a stall is. Remember, you only have two weeks to persuade the guy to stay in the game. After that he's gone if the game is too boring or if the people in it suck!!!
C) Persuade AH to make changes for new people. The game is too complex, which really, REALLY, hampers playability. The game isn't that historically accurate anyway so make it easy on the new guys ((sure, yes, the plane performance is probably close enough, but the war wasn't a three way battle between chess pieces either. (Don't say something snarky like go to AVA... Why? There was only three guys in the last Schweinfurt raid!))
I) Persuade AH to create an automatic landing procedure. Like Shift, l,m, p (land my plane) the AI will then take your plane to the nearest friendly airbase (fuel permitting) and land. (people will stop doing it after they've learned how to keep the dang plane lvl and get vulched a few times. Come up with other ideas to simplify the game for newbies. You wanna more complex game? Turn off the automatic take offs ETC ETC.
II) Convince AH to publish game hints like "How to take a base" (the Knits could learn from that one!) or "Carrier tactics" or "Squadron Tactics" or "Hints on how to win a map" "The importance of Strats" etc etc. Don't just assume people know it or will pick it up before they've decided to bail on a game that's taking their money, boring, and where everyone is a D*ck...
III) Convince AH to Update the plane characteristics! Having old info is a DEAD giveaway the game is losing membership. I almost didn't get the game after reading them. I knew they were last updated in like, what? 2007?
Last but not least listen to new people. Don't assume just because you've been in the game for 10 years you know everything or that a new person doesn't have skills. We do and some of us are pilots or have pilots in the family. My step father was a Navy Pilot that flew off the Essex in WWII. Some of us know A LOT about WWII. Why else would we even put up with the complexity of the game if we were not interested in the topic? BEFORE we showed up... You tell new people long enough to STFU and they will... when they go to a new game... and sooner or later your game WILL DIE from lack of interest... Just look at the numbers and ask yourself how long the owners are going to invest any time or money into it when their revenue stream is drying up?
Some reasonable points;
Yes the population is dwindling at times and to a degree the gameplay is getting stale.
You do say however that you have been looking for a realistic WW2 flight sim for a long time, and then in you first post ask for a "land my plane" dot command :headscratch:
Nevertheless the WIKI certainly needs to be updated, as does the way potential new customers are "invited" into the game.
Then you say that the game wasn't historically accurate, which is true, but to the best of my knowledge it was never intended to be, and in the same paragraph you state that the game is too complex :confused:
The game is no where near as complex as some, and as regards flight sims, almost all the vital operations from magneto's, to cowl flaps, safety catches, fuel mixture, oxygen switches, etc etc ad infinitum are not modelled :old:
You even have an auto take off system, auto pilot/auto climb/auto pitch/auto combat trim/auto stall limiter/ WW1 engine governer, all there for the taking :old:
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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you did a poor job
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Yes, I understand. Give the game time. I have. Two weeks, which I believe was enough. Why pay for a game that turns me off? But, I got the free stick for two months sub so I guess i'm here for another 6 weeks.
BTW I think Coogan was just joking.
Perhaps I was hasty in my judgement on SOME things but not all. I appreciate the feedback.
I do know the numbers are falling and I will try to do more. I think I'll try out some of the other features.
One last point, none of my ideas need be implemented or even listened too, but, I hope I have raised awareness and hopefully there will be a more welcoming tone from the old timers. When there are only 25 people on a side and you can't get an answer on anything from anyone, you know after three days, relationships are set. To new people you're acting like you DO NOT WANT them to know anything so they can't compete with you. And that's pretty sad for a competitive game play...In the end, whether you like it or not, you're just running off people to feel special.
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As for the arenas, yes it is getting more and more "toxic" as far as what the community allows. The more tolerant the community the less HTC polices it. If you see/hear something you think is out of line use the "report" function and report them. HTC will review the incident and take any action they deem necessary.
This should be on one of those pop up when you first log in and repeated often, very often. Several folks complain about others but do not bother to report. The community has to police itself at some point. Sad that it does but all communities have their loud mouths, contrary individuals. Report them and the game takes care of it for you.
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Perhaps it went over your head as well.
Coogan
no, i got it. it sucked.
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Welcome to the game. Let me be blunt, you will either like it or you won't. Every item you used to back up your case can be turned right around on yourself. Just because you have been a spectator for months and a participant for weeks, do not assume your ideas have not been thought of, evaluated and dismissed or begged for for the last bazzilion years the game has been around.
I am glad to hear you are a vet, it is great, thanks for your service. There are a lot of vets in the game which is really cool. There are a lot of d*cks too, but find an MMOG without one. Remember that the more vociferous a person is, he or she probably heads towards the d*ck end of the spectrum as a rule. (especially civilians :bolt:)
I am sorry you had trouble getting replies to your questions or that you feel the info was wrong. If I was on and saw or heard them I would have tried to assist you without the dweebery Alt F-4 answer some think amusing.
I know there are a ton of squads which do what you say you want and jump on every new guy that comes along, unfortunately, those are the ones you will usually want to stay clear of. Joining a squad is cool and all, but it is better for the individual person to investigate a little on which squads play the game the way they want to play it.
Should you have come in here to the help and training section, there would have been a plethora of people offering advice and help with any facet of the game you don't understand. But, coming in here like a bull in a china shop will probably make a few of the nicer guys shy away from your perceived personality and make all the d*cks hard.
Give and take goes both ways sir. Should you use the search feature on the boards to look up the game play changes you think the game needs you may find them discussed to the nth degree, if you don't, then there is always the wishlist section of the boards. But, be prepared to answer all the minute details that will go into any changes that will be pointed out. You don't get a free pass to wish for something, but leave everyone else to figure out how to do it. You do have the right to your opinion, but remember, the rest of us have the equal right to our own opinions, which might not always agree with yours.
Numbers are what they are, you can be one of them or not. Your decision. Again, welcome to the game. :salute
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Fork,
Sorry things have been so unsatisfying. If you see my name on the roster, say "howdy," and if there are any "how to's" with which I can help you, I'll do my best.
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Yes, I understand. Give the game time. I have. Two weeks, which I believe was enough. Why pay for a game that turns me off? But, I got the free stick for two months sub so I guess i'm here for another 6 weeks.
BTW I think Coogan was just joking.
Perhaps I was hasty in my judgement on SOME things but not all. I appreciate the feedback.
I do know the numbers are falling and I will try to do more. I think I'll try out some of the other features.
One last point, none of my ideas need be implemented or even listened too, but, I hope I have raised awareness and hopefully there will be a more welcoming tone from the old timers. When there are only 25 people on a side and you can't get an answer on anything from anyone, you know after three days, relationships are set. To new people you're acting like you DO NOT WANT them to know anything so they can't compete with you. And that's pretty sad for a competitive game play...In the end, whether you like it or not, you're just running off people to feel special.
I was 28 when i started playing 8 years ago, at month 6 a light clicked on and the game became a lot more clear. I hit a few points during the first three months were i don't know why i kept playing because i was nothing more than a target drone. Keep at It, it will come in time. Thats part of the reward with the game, stick with it get easier over time. learning to read dar bars and getting to know what to expect on certain pats of the maps comes with time.
While the ahole crowd here is high, it's like that in just about every game i play now. I don't visit this board or many other game boards much anymore due to that. It's cooler to be a d bag than helpful.
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Danny76, you have made some very insightful remarks.
Yes I agree, I seem contradictory on some things. Let me say, new pilots are not thrown into F22's! First is ground school then a variety of training aircraft. I do not like the automatic takeoff, but I use it to simplify the game, when, frankly i'm in a hurry or when things don't matter. The base getting strafed? Believe me, I yank that stick and do the flaps and gears myself! But I've only just learned that in that last couple of days.
Nothing is more tedious than landing B17 after an hour's long raid when the wife is yelling at me to come to dinner! On those days I could use an automatic landing feature. On others? I land my OWN plane thank you! I may not know how to dogfight but I can land my p38 on fire dangit! (and I have , many times, lol)
So you see, FOR NEWBIES, simplicity matters, let them achieve the lvl of game play complexity THEY want, after they've learned to keep the dang plane lvl etc etc. Two weeks is simply not enough time to learn the game, play it well, AND have fun at the same time. People will not subscribe if the FIRSt impression is lousy. I'm asking that the newbies be given some simplicity, that's all. Later they can get as complex as they like. AH needs like a basic game and a more advanced one, perhaps a basic arena where it's just about spawning mid air fights, and a more complex one where EVERYTHING is a real as it gets.
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I think we have a lot to learn from this guy.
He's right. The AH numbers are falling fast, and so is the number of players who have respect for others.
"Bomb Tard" "Dweeb" "Hotard" "ack-runner", All that needs to stop. Play the game and if you have complaints just back up and don't go spewing nonsense on 200 and on the forums, or sending hateful PMs.
I will admit that I'm not perfect and I have done some of the things I mentioned.
The AH community needs to grow up and have some respect.
The game also has a surprising lack of teamwork. We need more mission runners like ET37, ack-ack, etc. I think the AH player base need to evolve from the massive furballs & kill fests. More are worried about their score and rank rather than the team and the war, which saddens me. :(
When I first came to the game I found a haven where I could enjoy my time on my PC, and fly with a some good guys and just overall have fun.
AH is a game for fun. I think players need to wake up and realize this, rather than be score junkies and rude.
W2
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Fortunately this still has to happen
(No, 10 players on 15 mins after map reset doesn't count ;) )
Stats don't reflect the reality. I've seen 30-50 on and maybe two of them are active in some fashion. Off-peak it is pointless logging in UNLESS you are happy perk farming in a buff. I'm not.
In regard to the OP's comments, I've seen these sorts of numbers before. It's a long slow cycle and it often relates to particular cultural events in real life, like the 60th anniversary of the end of WWII. The 70th Anniversary of D-Day will see numbers spike up.
In regard to people being rude some of the oldest, most "respected" players are the worst. I have played for a long time (2001, and played AW3 before that from about '96) but I have had long breaks, usually in response to being ranted at by some intardnet with borderline personality disorder over my inability to play the game the way they want me to.
For years I'd grab newbies and take them to the TA and show them how to setup their views, how to tune their radio and show them some basic deflection shooting concepts. If you can't see, communicate and shoot, then this game can become really frustrating. Usually this would be in response to a bunch of guys who should have known better spanking some poor n00b taking off from the same deacked base and the same runway over and over. However I gave up after some nastiness about whether or not I was "qualified" enough to be training n00bs. I wasn't training people. I was giving them enough clues to last long enough to work out that they may want to seek some "official" training or do some ACM research and practice of their own.
After the really poor behaviour shown around Brogy's memorial flight, I'm considering giving the game away again. If nothing else, the OP has pointed out the non-inclusive nature of the veteran community of AH. I know that the most offensive vets won't reflect on that though. They're happy being big fish in a small pond. Couple poor attitudes with only a small window of opportunity to play at times when there are opponents on who will actually engage in "combat", the so-called 50c a day becomes $7.50 an hour to take abuse from "look at me" types who are famous in their own lunch time.
It's not just the new guys who suffer at the hands of the self-appointed veterans of AH.
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If I am anything to go by, 8 years is not enough to learn the game, whenever I have asked for help I have recieved it, whenever I have asked to spend time with a trainer, i have been there the next night, flying with a guy who knows ACM and the game inside out! Of course there are the Alt f4 idiouts, but you get that in any game, I don't play any other MMO or online anything, but I doubt that in Call of Duty you can ask for a trainer to spend a few hours 1 on 1 with you? I could be wrong :old:
I have seen you in game the last couple of times I played, may even have killed you a couple of times :uhoh but I would be happy to answer any questions or go to the DA/TA, as would almost any of the regular players on here. Just be aware that most of us (especially me) are still learning on a steep curve and that first few weeks-months-years is extremely steep indeed :salute
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extremely steep indeed :salute
Holy hell that sounded Midway-esque :uhoh
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Perhaps it went over your head as well.
Coogan
Sarcasm doesn't play well in text, Coogan. The guy comes here to comment on all the sarcastic responses he gets in the MA and you give him a sarcastic response. It's not other people's fault if they didn't get your "joke" -- that usually means you didn't tell it right.
Tips for FORK2:
Detune Channel 200 -- Very little of what you'll see there is useful and the game is often more enjoyable with 200 off. Likewise you have to take this General Forum with a grain of salt, as many people come here simply to troll and annoy others. Sadly the Main Arena and this Forum (online games in general, for that matter) are full of people who get their enjoyment from griefing others -- that is just the reality of it. You need to learn to ignore the idiots (who are often the most vocal) in order to find the relatively silent majority of decent folks.
Ask questions in the Training Arena or on the Training Forum, not here or in the MA -- Sarcastic or misleading answers are not tolerated in the Training Arena or Training Forum. You may still get them, but usually they are quickly called out and corrected if you get them.
Get more than one opinion on things -- Very few people have ALL the answers. When you find players you think you can trust and who are willing to answer questions or give help, go ahead and ask them. But don't take what any one person says as gospel. When it comes to game play, there are different approaches and different methods for the many different aspects of the game. For example, air combat alone has different schools of thought on how to approach it. Often times getting help and input from multiple sources will give you a better idea of things.
Don't just join one squad, expect to try several squads, BEFORE you find a home. A squad should help you learn what you want to learn. If the squad you are with doesn't teach what you want or fit your needs or play style, try out another squad. I've personally been a member of three different squads in AH during my time here. The first taught me about the mechanics of base-taking but couldn't teach ACM or wingman tactics. The second squad did focus on air combat and teamwork, but was mainly European and didn't participate in FSO. My current squad participates in FSO (a one-life to live attempt at a more realistic, historical combat setting) but doesn't fly in the MA too often. In a way, that's nice for me, as it gives me a certain level of freedom to fly on what side I want and with whomever I want in the MA. So, while squads are great, they are not the complete answer.
Lastly, the game requires patience. Most players plateau and stick to things that are easy because it is too hard to get better. If you have patience (and learn to tolerate all the nonsense), then you can thrive in AH.
Just a few tips from somebody who agrees this "community" has a very ugly face when what people first see is channel 200 and the forum. The key to AH is to look past that to find the heart of gold of the game.
Good luck.
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Ryno
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Halo, of course you're correct. Not all my ideas are sound, and may have been around for a while. They do not have to be agreed with. I was merely attempting to spark ideas and conversation.
Two points however I think are valid. One is try to be nicer to the new guys and the other is the game could be simpler to learn.
No one wants to spends hours in a practice room to be shot down 30 seconds into gameplay because no one on his side gives a fig whether he goes down or not. You think a check six does anything for a newbie other than panic him? Too often that's happened to me when there wasn't anyone in miles. I've also been used as bait so some experienced player can vulch kills when the other side gets too over eager to jump on my easy to kill behind! And the longer I don't know anything the easier the pickings are as he doesn't say squat cept on his own channel while he and his buddies laugh ( and use) the newbie.
No one wants to be treated like a fool for his own team! and that sir is why your game is dying. Too many prettythangholes!
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Stats don't reflect the reality. I've seen 30-50 on and maybe two of them are active in some fashion. Off-peak it is pointless logging in UNLESS you are happy perk farming in a buff. I'm not.
Oh, I very much do share the sentiment that offhours can really suck these days (actually for quite a long time now), especially on a giant map like ozkansas.
However, it doen't help any point someone is trying to make when the claims have little substance to them ;)
And by the way, if being active includes everybody "inflight"... we haven't been at only 2 active players at 30-50 total either. Again, this excludes the tiome directly after an arena reset (It usually takes about 1 hour at any time of the day for the LW arena to get back to the suual level of activity).
I know, I know... nipicking again... I just can't help it :uhoh
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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Yes, I understand. Give the game time. I have. Two weeks, which I believe was enough.
:huh
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(Yoda Voice)
Lack of character I see here
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:huh
Yep, and this^
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Hey Fork do you even have a mic? Most noobs dont even have a mic. Do you have any idea how hard that makes it to talk to somewhile while playing?
Last new guy I tried to train told me to "be quiet" when I asked him not to waste my ammo shooting at fighters 1,000 out while in my bombers. He was never invited back. We used to have a very active trainers program and training arena. Its not so now and thats not on the players its on the owners, as are the poor graphics.
Of all the games Ive played this one is the least "rude". Obviously you havnt played many. Most of us never even go on 200 and dont appreciate you calling the masses "rude" over them comments of the few.
Frankly I find a lot of what you say demanding and sour after just getting a two week freebie. You havnt been around long enough to be predicting the doom of the game. Many of us have spent decades gaming and only stay due to the community. Lotsa luck finding a better one. I doubt you will. Maybe the problem is on your end.
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Lordy and I wasn't even close enough to the bushes for anything to be shaken out other than the pre instated. The sensitivity training must be strong with this padouan's metaclorian overwhelming him to the drop of an apostate pin. Hensforth, I will endeavor to speak from the open grasslands as not to stir even a fragile bud on the fronds of a single screening bush. Or minions of the right true way may visit my clark over my scutage.
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He certainly has the lingo down and good anecdotal historical talking points for being so new here.
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Fork2: Some of your points I agree some not (i'm not going to say which ones) but thanks you for posting a thought out respectful view of Aces High.
HiTech
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Lordy and I wasn't even close enough to the bushes for anything to be shaken out other than the pre instated. The sensitivity training must be strong with this padouan's metaclorian overwhelming him to the drop of an apostate pin. Hensforth, I will endeavor to speak from the open grasslands as not to stir even a fragile bud on the fronds of a single screening bush. Or minions of the right true way may visit my clark over my scutage.
Very well said, Sir! At least it reads like it was well written, I don't know? What were we texting about again? Oh and thank you for your "gun sight" post you sent me,it was appreciated! Thanks again
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Lordy and I wasn't even close enough to the bushes for anything to be shaken out other than the pre instated. The sensitivity training must be strong with this padouan's metaclorian overwhelming him to the drop of an apostate pin. Hensforth, I will endeavor to speak from the open grasslands as not to stir even a fragile bud on the fronds of a single screening bush. Or minions of the right true way may visit my clark over my scutage.
You don't say!!
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Drawing inspiration from a National Society of Leadership meeting I went to yesterday: If you want to see change, be the change. This is meant in regards to player culture and is directed towards anyone who wishes to see it change for the better. Demonstrate those values you want to see in others, but don't expect a way to force players to conduct themselves in one manner or another.
No, the game does not set out to recreate WWII in the main arena. It is a combat flight-sim game that features WWII vehicles. The realism that HTC tries to generate is through the vast open environment, flight mechanics and damage modeling, not the 3-way war and unstructured vehicle usage you see. Keep in mind that ALOT of game material and info you see is contributed by volunteers in the community. HTC is a small business with a handful of employees, so don't expect the resources on the level of EA (albeit flawed).
One thing I have noticed is the dissatisfaction a lot of players experience with the 12 hour change rule. This doesn't really apply to me as I have so far picked squads that stay solely in one particular country through thick and thin, but I did have this thought:
1) get rid of of the 12 hour time change rule all together. Allow players to switch freely over to countries with significantly lower population levels. I know ENY and perk bonuses are already in place to regulate this but, let's face it, you can't fight green guys...that is generally frowned upon.
2) disable friendly dot locations over the entire country. Make it so friendly country mates are only displayed within a friendly enabled radar ring and above NOE level. Only squad mates and those active on vox/range channels would be displayed regardless of altitude and radar status. Friendly/Enemy dar bar would still function like normal. This would provide some level of security against "speiz" (for those who care) by not allowing anonymous country members to see the big picture. Sure there are ways around it for those willing to engage in such methods, but that is my thought for reviving the arena when population levels are skewed.
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Two points however I think are valid. One is try to be nicer to the new guys and the other is the game could be simpler to learn.
I would like to politely address these points:
1. While I agree that there's a fair amount of immaturity slung at each other in the arenas and on the forum, it is certainly not limited to new guys nor is that unique to this game community (I mighta said, at one time, that it's not as bad here as in any other game of similar or dissimilar genre - now I'm more prone to say it's no worse here than anywhere else). I find the opposite extreme in perception just as distasteful - which is a coddling, walking on eggshells environment akin to welcoming you into a church congregation (though some of us can see a correlation in the 'Tao of Dok' and religious fervor' - hope I remember to post a link that kinda explains that).
You're retired military, certainly you've been desensitized to most of the behavior (language, brash teasing, etc.) that you've witnessed/experienced. Some of it, which you may not be aware of yet, happens to actually be exchanges between actual game friends. They're comfortable with it. They don't mean anything by it. And yes, some of it will spill over to new players. Some of it is neither necessary nor impressive nor well thought out nor cool. There will be those less mature than you (no matter the relationship between your age and theirs). I'd like to give credit to you regarding your ability to handle it and to set the example no matter your time in game (others will gravitate to you for such and do their best to retain you in the community). You've barely met anyone .... and yes, the loudest noise does come from from the most attention-starved and frustrated of the lot. Get past that first layer and discover the core community.
2. Regarding 'simplifying the game.' This game may be challenging but it is not that difficult (the mechanics). I'm confident in saying that the vast majority of the AH community would find simplifying/dumbing the game down a bad thing. The hardest thing about the game is the competition which is ALSO considered a plus by this community). When I started enjoying online multi-player air combat games after discovering Air Warrior in the mid 90s) it was a combination of the challenge and the core community that won me over for good. It may take years to reach mediocrity in this game. But it's not about the top score. It's about the experience. You'll be a blessed man, trust me.
<S> (salute)
Welcome aboard. Stick around. :salute :cheers: :)
And ... of course ... I did forget:
http://www.gonzoville.com/FILEZ/Tao_of_Dok.pdf
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AH isn't for everyone. I played for weeks before a glimmer of understanding took hold. I ran into a helpful player that gave me the basics and was there to answer questions. That made a big difference. I completely understand how guys never get through the first part of the learning/acceptance curve.
If you see me online (AMAX) feel free to ask me questions. I fly with guys that have been on here since the start and I've been around a while and we still ask some basic questions. Theres a lot to the game. Many long time players still don't know how much ordinance it is to kill a hangar or a CV, how collisions work, how supplies need to be dropped, how to get a tail hook down, or how to get the extra flaps out on a P-38L, or (fill in the blank).
Communication can be tough in the MA. Guys are busy fighting and sometimes a new name gets less attention. Its a video game, competitive and players have the shroud distance and anonymity. So as silly as it seems, you will see some immature behavior, purse fighting and just plain inappropriate communication from folks. Many are probably decent enough in person, they just get a bit too attached to their pixels or for them some long distance chest thumping is a release valve.
Oh...and Knights probably aren't going to change much as far as winning wars. Real estate trading can be fun, but like NASCAR, some of the best racing is way in the back of the pack away from the spotlight.
I will say that if you even think theres a little chance AH is a fit for you, stick it out a bit, make some friends and let yourself settle into the game a bit. It can be incredibly fun and addicting.
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People who are rude to players trying to learn should be muted. I will admit some squad members and myself have logged quite often lately due to boredom.
I hope something changes. I think a free month should be provided after the update and included in advertising material. What do I know though, I only market for a living. :cheers:
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2) disable friendly dot locations over the entire country. Make it so friendly country mates are only displayed within a friendly enabled radar ring and above NOE level. Only squad mates and those active on vox/range channels would be displayed regardless of altitude and radar status. Friendly/Enemy dar bar would still function like normal.
This would be a good wish list item. It's already available in the arena settings, it's just not set that way in the mains.
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Yes, I understand. Give the game time. I have. Two weeks, which I believe was enough.
Two weeks is simply not enough time to learn the game, play it well, AND have fun at the same time.
:huh
I'm all for helping out new players, that's how they get to be veteran players but I wouldn't agree with most of your suggestions that involve simplifying the game, however making training easier to find and make use of would be a definite plus.
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I agree, I think the community is quite harsh on newcomers. There are many who are nice and willing to help newcomers, and others who think, "I had to learn it the hard way so you should too!" It's all perspective, but I do agree with some of your viewpoints. I think HTC is addressing the lack of numbers issue by upgrading the terrain engine, and updating some of the planes. They are a small tight-knit team and want to keep it that way. While sometimes we think they are going slow and wish they were a bigger company, and I can understand why Dale wants to keep it a small company. Easier to manage that way.. to put it simply.
Sadly though, the community is something that no one can control. What I do when I play Aces High is look at it from their perspective (which is possible in some scenarios) and don't take anything personally. If I kill someone in a plane and get yelled at for it, I think of the time that player invested to get to that point just to die by me. Sure, he knew the risks when he spawned/took off, but telling him that won't make the situation any better. So I simply <S> (salute) him and keep playing. Everyone gets hot under the collar at some point, egging them on or rubbing their face in "it" won't make them feel any better.
The way this community acts sometimes reminds me of the Call of Duty community. Just look up some of the videos of Call of Duty trolls and stuff like that. How they talk to each other and purposefully egg each other on, provoking fights and ultimately destroying that gaming community. I stopped playing it years ago because of having to deal with people and situations like that. Some who call this "X-Box Generation" act just like them ;)
In Summary, yes I do understand where you are coming from. I can only tell you to ignore the nasty comments you get, and just play the way you want to play. I know it isn't right, and it isn't the 'preferable environment' that you would like to play in, but it isn't something that anyone can control. It's the individual's who comment like that, who can control it... and ultimately a show of character of that individual. So in the end, don't take anything like that personally, and focus on the good in the game. Those in the community can be temporary, and shouldn't reflect on the game itself. It's the quality of the game and it's developers that shows through the game, and that is what should be looked at. :aok
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Hi Fork2,
Respectfully, if this game took 2 weeks to learn, you would be gone in 2 months from boredom. I've been a card carrying noob for about 7 years. The complexity of the game has kept me engaged. The childish junk on channel 200 can be detuned for my relief.
Please ignore the whining children and enjoy the challenges. Oh, get a wingman.
Welcome,
Gray
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I would like to politely address these points:
1. While I agree that there's a fair amount of immaturity slung at each other in the arenas and on the forum, it is certainly not limited to new guys nor is that unique to this game community (I mighta said, at one time, that it's not as bad here as in any other game of similar or dissimilar genre - now I'm more prone to say it's no worse here than anywhere else). I find the opposite extreme in perception just as distasteful - which is a coddling, walking on eggshells environment akin to welcoming you into a church congregation (though some of us can see a correlation in the 'Tao of Dok' and religious fervor' - hope I remember to post a link that kinda explains that).
You're retired military, certainly you've been desensitized to most of the behavior (language, brash teasing, etc.) that you've witnessed/experienced. Some of it, which you may not be aware of yet, happens to actually be exchanges between actual game friends. They're comfortable with it. They don't mean anything by it. And yes, some of it will spill over to new players. Some of it is neither necessary nor impressive nor well thought out nor cool. There will be those less mature than you (no matter the relationship between your age and theirs). I'd like to give credit to you regarding your ability to handle it and to set the example no matter your time in game (others will gravitate to you for such and do their best to retain you in the community). You've barely met anyone .... and yes, the loudest noise does come from from the most attention-starved and frustrated of the lot. Get past that first layer and discover the core community.
2. Regarding 'simplifying the game.' This game may be challenging but it is not that difficult (the mechanics). I'm confident in saying that the vast majority of the AH community would find simplifying/dumbing the game down a bad thing. The hardest thing about the game is the competition which is ALSO considered a plus by this community). When I started enjoying online multi-player air combat games after discovering Air Warrior in the mid 90s) it was a combination of the challenge and the core community that won me over for good. It may take years to reach mediocrity in this game. But it's not about the top score. It's about the experience. You'll be a blessed man, trust me.
<S> (salute)
Welcome aboard. Stick around. :salute :cheers: :)
Agree with this, also I would suggest that the perceived aversion to new guys is the fact that they seem intent on going their own way and refusing to listen.
e.g.
a.) How do I take off?
b.) How do I select bombs?
c.) Can I get a gunner? Anyone be my gunner? Gunner anyone? I need a gunner
d.) those long and drawn out conversations on Country or worse on Range between 2 new players making a strat run
best (or most tedious)of all
e.) constant running commentary of what they are doing, what they can see, that their bombs are gone, that they are short on ammo, that they are under attack, and that they are going down :bhead
I have pm'd guys in the past and seen large numbers of players advising them how to chat privately only to be utterly ignored.
AH would definately benefit IMHO from a simple and relatively short training schedule, prior to players being unleashed on the MA :old:
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A lot of AcesHigh is about determination, if you lack it you wont hack it.
For some of us, Aces High is a sport.
If this place got all Hello Kitty, touchy feely, luvvie dovey, to everyone not just new guys there'd be nothing worth flying around for.
It's bad enough the lack of aggression; you know those 1 pass run to ack P51s.
No competition.
No battle of wits, No battle of words, No Rumble (Ali-Foreman "banter" reference).
No guy you dislike that you'll give everything you've got to shoot him down mano a mano.
No adrenaline rush. No sense of achievement.
Just people being nice, running away from each other.
HUMBUG. :old:
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I'm 50 years old, retired military and have been playing video games when they could only be found in an arcade. or tell me you've been playing the game for a bazillion years and
I'm 50 years old, been playing video games since the beginning, have been playing on-line WWII aerial combat since 1988 (when Air Warrior started), and *I* say . . .
Welcome to the game, and I'm glad you are here with us! Please stick it out for reasons given below. :aok
I had been looking for a realistic war game, specifically a WWII aerial combat MMOG for a long time.
You will find kindred spirits here.
it's the rudeness of the people in the game and the still mind boggling complexity of the game...
Alas, it is true that some of the player base includes rude people who apparently are either dysfunctional or woefully inept in ability to interact with people (maybe never learned how to interact with people and so have a child's grasp of it even though they are adults). They degrade the enjoyment for many and, on occasion, drive off good people.
But they aren't the entire player base. It just seems like it because of the volume of verbal diarrhea they spew. There are a lot of good people in the game, too. Fortunately at least some folks are tough enough to ignore the jerks and not let it ruin their fun. Who cares what jerks think, anyway? The world has a lot of jerks in it. There are even a lot of them out there who would like nothing better than to kill you or me, but we don't let it ruin our days.
There's fewer than 120 people logged most days in the US and fewer than 450 on the weekends...those are abysmal numbers for a mmog. If you still don't believe me then why is there no longer two late war arenas and rarely more than 10 people in the others?
AH and Air Warrior before it is a smaller market than for things like Eve Online or WOW. What matters to a given player is not whether there are 120 or 450 or 4000 people playing overall, but what the fight is like around you. In my opinion, a good fight is 4 on 4 or greater. But even with more than 600 people on (or in events with a lot of people), you generally didn't get into fights larger than about 10 on 10 in your combat vicinity. In Air Warrior, the player base was much smaller than current Aces High, and it still was a blast -- as long as you got several people fighting another several people.
A) Quit treating every new person as an enemy! So what if there are spys? You think the average person can't figure out there's a bombing mission on your starts after the first week? Get over yourselves and welcome the newcomers.
Only dolts treat new players badly. There are many people who value new players, answer their questions, etc. I've seen it directly many times in the game. But there are fluctuations in any statistic, and it could be that you have been unlucky enough in the times you play that you were one with just some of the jerks.
B) Invite the newcomers into your squads.
There are probably squads that do that. Me, I'm not much of a squad player, as I like to log on whenever, play some wherever I want on the map, etc. I don't get as much time to play these days as I would like, so I'm just on sporadically when I can.
The game is too complex, which really, REALLY, hampers playability.
It is a complex game, but it doesn't take that long to get up to speed once you know how to fly. Here's a guide that covers some of the basics (although the guide is a bit out of date):
http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/aces_high/startGuide/startGuide.html#_Toc91409091
I) Persuade AH to create an automatic landing procedure.
A person can practice landing offline and be able to do it after a little bit of practice, but if they botch it and crash instead for a while, the consequence is that they get a little less in score than they otherwise would get. But that only matters if you care about score, and a beginner isn't going to be a high scorer anyway.
II) Convince AH to publish game hints like "How to take a base" (the Knits could learn from that one!) or "Carrier tactics" or "Squadron Tactics" or "Hints on how to win a map" "The importance of Strats" etc etc. Don't just assume people know it or will pick it up before they've decided to bail on a game that's taking their money, boring, and where everyone is a D*ck...
True, extra guides could be helpful. Some of that is in the game's help file available from the home page:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/support/support-help
III) Convince AH to Update the plane characteristics! Having old info is a DEAD giveaway the game is losing membership. I almost didn't get the game after reading them. I knew they were last updated in like, what? 2007?
Not sure which characteristics you mean.
Last but not least listen to new people.
Some people do listen to others. But keep in mind that there are people in the game who have their own opinions. Some are former fighter pilots, airline pilots, air-transport pilots, people who have flown P-51 Mustangs, people who have piloted B-29's, people who have piloted B-24's and B-17's, people who are private pilots, people who are aerobatic pilots, people who have Ph.D.'s in physics and mathematical/computational modeling, people who are WWII historians, people who have read dozens of books on WWII aviation, even at least one WWII vet, people who have been playing this sort of sim for over 20 years, people who have worked in marketing, people who run small businesses, software engineers, etc., and they have their own thoughts based on their backgrounds and long experience of what works and what doesn't, what are improvements, what are not, etc. There is a long history of debate over aspects of the game, the modeling, aircraft, and everything else, and folks tend to have their own strong opinions on things.
By the way, as a new player, I invite you to play in special events, which have a lot different style than the Main Arena and can provide a different style of fun. I run "This Day in WWII" events and help put on "Scenarios".
This Day in WWII is this:
http://ahevents.org/events/this-day-in-wwii.html
The next one is on April 18.
Scenarios are this:
http://ahevents.org/events/scenarios/about-scenarios.html
The next one is in June.
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A lot of AcesHigh is about determination, if you lack it you wont hack it.
For some of us, Aces High is a sport.
If this place got all Hello Kitty, touchy feely, luvvie dovey, to everyone not just new guys there'd be nothing worth flying around for.
It's bad enough the lack of aggression; you know those 1 pass run to ack P51s.
No competition.
No battle of wits, No battle of words, No Rumble (Ali-Foreman "banter" reference).
No guy you dislike that you'll give everything you've got to shoot him down mano a mano.
No adrenaline rush. No sense of achievement.
Just people being nice, running away from each other.
HUMBUG. :old:
Agreed :old:
Also, is it Luvvie Dovey, or Lovey Dovey, Luvvie Duvvie, or Lovey Duvvie :headscratch:
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I'm 50 years old, been playing video games since the beginning, have been playing on-line WWII aerial combat since 1988 (when Air Warrior started), and *I* say . . .
Welcome to the game, and I'm glad you are here with us! Please stick it out for reasons given below. :aok
You will find kindred spirits here.
Alas, it is true that some of the player base includes rude people who apparently are either dysfunctional or woefully inept in ability to interact with people (maybe never learned how to interact with people and so have a child's grasp of it even though they are adults). They degrade the enjoyment for many and, on occasion, drive off good people.
But they aren't the entire player base. It just seems like it because of the volume of verbal diarrhea they spew. There are a lot of good people in the game, too. Fortunately at least some folks are tough enough to ignore the jerks and not let it ruin their fun. Who cares what jerks think, anyway? The world has a lot of jerks in it. There are even a lot of them out there who would like nothing better than to kill you or me, but we don't let it ruin our days.
AH and Air Warrior before it is a smaller market than for things like Eve Online or WOW. What matters to a given player is not whether there are 120 or 450 or 4000 people playing overall, but what the fight is like around you. In my opinion, a good fight is 4 on 4 or greater. But even with more than 600 people on (or in events with a lot of people), you generally didn't get into fights larger than about 10 on 10 in your combat vicinity. In Air Warrior, the player base was much smaller than current Aces High, and it still was a blast -- as long as you got several people fighting another several people.
Only dolts treat new players badly. There are many people who value new players, answer their questions, etc. I've seen it directly many times in the game. But there are fluctuations in any statistic, and it could be that you have been unlucky enough in the times you play that you were one with just some of the jerks.
There are probably squads that do that. Me, I'm not much of a squad player, as I like to log on whenever, play some wherever I want on the map, etc. I don't get as much time to play these days as I would like, so I'm just on sporadically when I can.
It is a complex game, but it doesn't take that long to get up to speed once you know how to fly. Here's a guide that covers some of the basics (although the guide is a bit out of date):
http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/aces_high/startGuide/startGuide.html#_Toc91409091
A person can practice landing offline and be able to do it after a little bit of practice, but if they botch it and crash instead for a while, the consequence is that they get a little less in score than they otherwise would get. But that only matters if you care about score, and a beginner isn't going to be a high scorer anyway.
True, extra guides could be helpful. Some of that is in the game's help file available from the home page:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/support/support-help
Not sure which characteristics you mean.
Some people do listen to others. But keep in mind that there are people in the game who have their own opinions. Some are former fighter pilots, airline pilots, air-transport pilots, people who have flown P-51 Mustangs, people who have piloted B-29's, people who have piloted B-24's and B-17's, people who are private pilots, people who are aerobatic pilots, people who have Ph.D.'s in physics and mathematical/computational modeling, people who are WWII historians, people who have read dozens of books on WWII aviation, even at least one WWII vet, people who have been playing this sort of sim for over 20 years, people who have worked in marketing, people who run small businesses, software engineers, etc., and they have their own thoughts based on their backgrounds and long experience of what works and what doesn't, what are improvements, what are not, etc. There is a long history of debate over aspects of the game, the modeling, aircraft, and everything else, and folks tend to have their own strong opinions on things.
By the way, as a new player, I invite you to play in special events, which have a lot different style than the Main Arena and can provide a different style of fun. I run "This Day in WWII" events and help put on "Scenarios".
This Day in WWII is this:
http://ahevents.org/events/this-day-in-wwii.html
The next one is on April 18.
Scenarios are this:
http://ahevents.org/events/scenarios/about-scenarios.html
The next one is in June.
Very well put Brooke. :aok
Fork, play the game on your terms, not of those based on ego, score, etc. Play the game as complex or as simple as you choose. Lots of options across the spectrum. After all, it's just a game. Thanks for your service! :salute
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When I had nothing to do as I kid I spent hours reading in game charts and information pages I printed out.
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When I had nothing to do as I kid I spent hours reading in game charts and information pages I printed out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5kCq0AjYLI :D
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I will say this much. Fork2 found this forum in 2 weeks time (which may not be the record but it sure ain't the norm). :aok
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Hmmmmm :noid
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There are probably squads that do that. Me, I'm not much of a squad player, as I like to log on whenever, play some wherever I want on the map, etc. I don't get as much time to play these days as I would like, so I'm just on sporadically when I can.
You sound like a perfect fit, Brooke. Ya'know, I kinda took for granted, all these years, that you were in a permanent squad home (no, not THAT kinda home).
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Thanks, Arlo. I was in a squad (4th FG Eagles). I noticed I'm not in it as of a few days ago. Not sure if that's intentional or not, but wasn't the greatest squad member because of my sporadic schedule and just sort of flying around doing my own thing, so I wouldn't blame them if they did indeed boot me out.
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Two weeks on the cheap seems awfully short to be predicting the doom of the game. Never heard that before from a total new guy.
Gawd Ive been here for years and am still totally thrilled by the new bomber just introduced.
Forks use of language makes me think he's not so new as he might say. If he is maybe he should pay for a month before predicting the Armageddon of Aces High.
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Any thing difficult gives longevity...
takes time to get good...thats the buzz
I love a good challenge to get my teeth into
anything too brief bores me quickly..
I dont really Subscribe to a throw away culture
give me a challenge any day
thanks HTC...its what you do
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Arlo, there is a difference between challenging and too complex... All I'm saying is that, as a change, perhaps there ought to be a "basic" arena where you have mid air spawns, massive AI bomber raids on a city, (where you could join the bomber stream or try to shoot em down?) or just fight it out in a massive fur ball over a town? The stalls could be turned off AS AN OPTION (not climb to infinity but hang on your prop at the same alt until you move the stick around) thereby giving another guy who has not stalled a chance to shoot you down while you hang on your prop in midair listening to the buzzer lol.
Bustr...sensitivity training? If that's your view WTF did you bother to read the thread? Maybe YOU should go somewhere else and leave your thoughts to yourself. WTF do you care what my opinion is and Why should I care what your's is?
Get the picture Bustr? If the game wasn't declining perhaps your views would not matter, but, when there are less than 25 guys to a team in the late war arena during the day and finally some newbie shows up... you keep on being a sarcastic D*ck, it'll drive him out the game after two weeks every time. So you just keep right on shooting your clueless mouth off, soon, VERY soon, you'll be the only one in a room no one cares to be in.....because you're in it.
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Arlo, there is a difference between challenging and too complex... All I'm saying is that, as a change, perhaps there ought to be a "basic" arena where you have mid air spawns, massive AI bomber raids on a city, (where you could join the bomber stream or try to shoot em down?) or just fight it out in a massive fur ball over a town? The stalls could be turned off AS AN OPTION (not climb to infinity but hang on your prop at the same alt until you move the stick around) thereby giving another guy who has not stalled a chance to shoot you down while you hang on your prop in midair listening to the buzzer lol.
You're describing what Fighter Ace was.
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Halo, of course you're correct. Not all my ideas are sound, and may have been around for a while. They do not have to be agreed with. I was merely attempting to spark ideas and conversation.
Two points however I think are valid. One is try to be nicer to the new guys and the other is the game could be simpler to learn.
No one wants to spends hours in a practice room to be shot down 30 seconds into gameplay because no one on his side gives a fig whether he goes down or not. You think a check six does anything for a newbie other than panic him? Too often that's happened to me when there wasn't anyone in miles. I've also been used as bait so some experienced player can vulch kills when the other side gets too over eager to jump on my easy to kill behind! And the longer I don't know anything the easier the pickings are as he doesn't say squat cept on his own channel while he and his buddies laugh ( and use) the newbie.
No one wants to be treated like a fool for his own team! and that sir is why your game is dying. Too many prettythangholes!
I laugh, because if you looked at my history of posts when I started playing I had the same issues. Unfortunately, there is a fine line to keeping the game playable. Stay off of 200, use the squelch function for certain players and report those that go too far, the owners will take action. All you can do is what I do, try to be nice and hope someone notices and does likewise. The only other option is quitting, and that is your decision. Even if you do, I bet you will be back in a month or two because the game gets under your skin and is hard to just say goodbye to. I have tried, I don't play often anymore for some of the reasons you dislike, but in the end there are a lot more great people than the other kind, the problem is theirs and eventually they will learn the hard way. This really is a pretty tame community compared to most of the others. Well, have fun and good luck with what ever you decide.
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Bustr...sensitivity training? If that's your view WTF did you bother to read the thread? Maybe YOU should go somewhere else and leave your thoughts to yourself. WTF do you care what my opinion is and Why should I care what your's is?
Get the picture Bustr? If the game wasn't declining perhaps your views would not matter, but, when there are less than 25 guys to a team in the late war arena during the day and finally some newbie shows up... you keep on being a sarcastic D*ck, it'll drive him out the game after two weeks every time. So you just keep right on shooting your clueless mouth off, soon, VERY soon, you'll be the only one in a room no one cares to be in.....because you're in it.
You talk about people being rude and bellybutton hats yet you post something like a rude bellybutton hat so what's the difference? Bustr is a squadmate and a very helpful and nice when people ask for information or something else, he'll go out of his way to help you.
It doesn't matter to me if you stay or you leave, that's up to you. what he meant by sensitivity training is don't take everything in the MA serious at all theres way too many egos in there to get caught up in the channel 200 drama.
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It's the economy. Foodstamps don't cover game play. Millions of jobs no longer exist and then you have people working 2 part-time jobs or more. When you're exhausted there is no time to play. I know at one point I had to leave the game. Just didn't have the 14.95 anywhere. Thankfully I found a job 2 years ago after a ton of applications and doing a couple of really good things during my layoff.
I'm quite satisfied how the game has evolved and continues to evolve. It's amazing to me how Hitech continuously upgrades the game.
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Meh. I tried. Actually had hope for the new guy. Time to step back and reassess.
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I...we....who...what??? Is it the end of the world...again?
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Can I be a dick?
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Can I be a dick?
Let her rip tater chip.
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Arlo, there is a difference between challenging and too complex... All I'm saying is that, as a change, perhaps there ought to be a "basic" arena where you have mid air spawns, massive AI bomber raids on a city, (where you could join the bomber stream or try to shoot em down?) or just fight it out in a massive fur ball over a town? The stalls could be turned off AS AN OPTION (not climb to infinity but hang on your prop at the same alt until you move the stick around) thereby giving another guy who has not stalled a chance to shoot you down while you hang on your prop in midair listening to the buzzer lol.
Bustr...sensitivity training? If that's your view WTF did you bother to read the thread? Maybe YOU should go somewhere else and leave your thoughts to yourself. WTF do you care what my opinion is and Why should I care what your's is?
Get the picture Bustr? If the game wasn't declining perhaps your views would not matter, but, when there are less than 25 guys to a team in the late war arena during the day and finally some newbie shows up... you keep on being a sarcastic D*ck, it'll drive him out the game after two weeks every time. So you just keep right on shooting your clueless mouth off, soon, VERY soon, you'll be the only one in a room no one cares to be in.....because you're in it.
The problem with that (if it is a problem from your perspective) is that limited realism arenas dominate when they are an option and that is followed by people going where the numbers are. You end up with a heavily populated limited realism arena and a nearly empty full realism arena.
That is fine and all, but it would a very sad thing for those of us who prefer full realism. There isn't any other home to go to right now for us.
If you like, you can turn on the stall limiter in the existing arena, you just won't have quite as much control as those without it.
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Fork2 ..hope you Find what you're looking for with the rooks, it was always fun keying up on 200 by accident instead of range and hearing our way conversations lol..made late nights interesting <S> you're always welcome back to bishland anyTime.in the end all that matters is that you're having fun no matter what country you fly for...I'll be Looking for you on 200 text bar and in the air ....scott66
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There are some aspects of Aces High that annoy me and have annoyed me for years. These are very minor things, pet peeves, if you will...
When I started play, in tour twenty-something, I had no understanding of the game's prevailing culture. None. Thus, I drew the ire of some players. After about a week, I went to the dueling arena. I was asked if I wanted to duel. "Sure", I said. The other picked the fields and I took off and headed towards the opposite base. I had no idea of the accepted rules. When I spotted the other guy, I saw him dive for the ground. I did the same. As we came to the merge, he was going to pass on my left side. So, just as we met, I turned hard left and opened fire. He flew right through the tracer stream and blew up. The next thing I know, the text buffer explodes with indignation. I didn't realize that it was guns cold on the merge. I saw him and shot him down. The second fight, I climbed to 10k, the other guy was far below when I spotted him. I ended up shooting him down again. Once again, the text buffer is filled with acrimony. I didn't know there was a hard ceiling....
HOs in the MA, shooting guys on the runway... It seemed that whatever I did, someone was really pissed.
I simply was ignorant of the culture and the unwritten etiquette of the game. I have a pretty thick skin, so I wasn't bothered by the raging and nasty PMs. Gradually, I learned the culture. It took a lot longer than two weeks. So, not only do you have to learn ACM, gunnery and the intricacies of the game, one has to learn the culture. I must have seen a dozen replies to questions of "Alt-F4". These guys think that they're funny, but we all know that they're schmucks.
Years later, I was asked to be a trainer. I did that for several years. The one thing I tried to teach new guys, was the culture as well as the basic and advanced knowledge of the game mechanics, BFM and ACM. As a trainer, I saw new guys every week. Most were great folks. Some where already buttheads, ignoring the TA rules, or convinced that their $14.95 bought them the right to be jerks. In the TA, we would just boot them out of the arena. I think that most subscribers recognize that the game culture needs to change some. It is best changed from within. As long as bad behavior is tolerated by the player community, change will not manifest itself. We, the players, have no small amount of responsibility in that regard. We should be policing ourselves more.
Back when I started, 200 players on at prime time was the norm. Game population grows and shrinks due to several factors. The economy is the biggest factor. Staleness of the game is another. HTC is heavily engaged in overcoming that last one now. However, that takes time and countless hour of labor.
Not long after I started playing, I joined a squad and remained with them to it fell apart over internal politics and demands to play on nights when my schedule simply didn't allow it. We formed a new squad. That one lasted about a year. Since then, I have played lone wolf. No squadies, no wing man. I'm not a joiner. Not a follower, and not interested in herding cats, which is what squad leader must do.
There are things I would change about the game. But, I'm just one voice and I don't expect all to agree with me. I have little tolerance for rude players, and I'm not shy about dealing with them. The majority are not rude, but like any community, there are a percentage of jerks. Most players know them.
As to complexity... The learning curve is steep. That's both bad and good. Bad because new players will struggle a bit. Good because many of us prefer realism over fluff.
Fork2, most of us welcome honest criticism about the game. Some get a bit defensive for their hobby. A few are simply mean-spirited. Unfortunately, that last group garners much of the attention. There's a business concept of "continuous improvement". This means improving the product every day, usually in small increments. HTC does that. We only see the improvements when an update is released. The update is a cumulative thing, consisting of all the improvements HTC has incorporated.
Anyway, it's always a pleasure to greet new players. Don't hesitate to PM me if you have a need for help with any aspect of Aces High. Even us retired trainers are happy to set aside some time for the new guys.
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Since you seem to be new. have you taken time to peruse through main page tutorials? yes some in game game can be dicks when asked about how toos but atleast give time to read instructions or at least print out keyboard commands to know what keys do what and how to map keys and stick to set preferences. We can not do it all for you.
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Fork your talking gibberish :old:
You do nothing to make the game better for anyone :old:
If you cannot be positive go and mow the grass :old:
Your thread was to long as well, it reads like a insurance seminar :old:
This game is awesome and is getting better :old:
Dont pm me in game because i minimize my text buffer, i only look at it when i am writing gibberish about Unicorns
I have had a double expresso so i apologise :)
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Cobblers, this game is fantastic. Nut up or shut up. :banana:
Holy hell that sounded Midway-esque :uhoh
Consider your way Danny, consider it indeed :old:
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tl;dr: "Blah blah, something something thanks Obama for killing Aces High, blah blah you're all filthy liberals."
You and Surfinn must be best friends.
:rolleyes:
FORK,
You are very new, extremely thin skinned, and looking for a fight. You didn't bother to catch that my second response was for the above over sensitive keeper of the one true faith of tyranny by minority. Ala "Hissy Fit".
"The sensitivity training must be strong with this padouan's metaclorian overwhelming him to the drop of an apostate pin."
So are we to all bow down to the glory of your newness, and beg pardon for our boorish manner, because we have been instated too long in your worldly view?
In a bad economy the numbers in this game will be low, since it's a monthly subscription to play. You sound like a few shills who came through here just before War Blunder went live, preaching the end of the AH world as we know it. Shaking the bushes so to say to fling low hanging fruit over to the competition. Or at least a small stamped to check out the eye candy.
But, then HTC is just about to release an improved updated version that looks to be a prize. I sincerely hope you are just a Mr. Cranky Pants and not a shill for the competition. As of now, you know whom and where to have every question answered about AH coming out of the seems at your beck and call. Past this point, you are beginning to sound just as ill-mannered as you accuse us of being.
So Mr. Cranky Pants or shill, welcome to the AH mosh pit.
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GVs have killed the game. The few players that are left are sitting in GV and the people who come for the flying part get empty arenas.
Of course the horde mentality and lopsided sides also drives people to gvs when they get tired of being repeatedly gang banged in the air. I remember often just sticking to a field gun if and when we were steamrolled. It feels counter intuitive to spend 20 minutes flying into the horde for a certain death. Much more fun to instantly spawn to a field gun and pick a couple from the red mass.
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I may not know how to dogfight but I can land my p38 on fire dangit! (and I have , many times, lol)
I like the guy already :aok :aok
If ya ever want to do some P38 sorties give me a yell....I usually fly knits, but im not country loyal and will travel over to Rooks and wing up with ya anytime.
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The problem with that (if it is a problem from your perspective) is that limited realism arenas dominate when they are an option and that is followed by people going where the numbers are. You end up with a heavily populated limited realism arena and a nearly empty full realism arena.
That is fine and all, but it would a very sad thing for those of us who prefer full realism. There isn't any other home to go to right now for us.
If you like, you can turn on the stall limiter in the existing arena, you just won't have quite as much control as those without it.
Air Warrior suffered that.
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FORK,
You are very new, extremely thin skinned, and looking for a fight. You didn't bother to catch that my second response was for the above over sensitive keeper of the one true faith of tyranny by minority. Ala "Hissy Fit".
"The sensitivity training must be strong with this padouan's metaclorian overwhelming him to the drop of an apostate pin."
So are we to all bow down to the glory of your newness, and beg pardon for our boorish manner, because we have been instated too long in your worldly view?
In a bad economy the numbers in this game will be low, since it's a monthly subscription to play. You sound like a few shills who came through here just before War Blunder went live, preaching the end of the AH world as we know it. Shaking the bushes so to say to fling low hanging fruit over to the competition. Or at least a small stamped to check out the eye candy.
But, then HTC is just about to release an improved updated version that looks to be a prize. I sincerely hope you are just a Mr. Cranky Pants and not a shill for the competition. As of now, you know whom and where to have every question answered about AH coming out of the seems at your beck and call. Past this point, you are beginning to sound just as ill-mannered as you accuse us of being.
So Mr. Cranky Pants or shill, welcome to the AH mosh pit.
tl;dr:"Blah blah tyranny, blah blah thin skinned, blah blah if you don't agree with me you must be here to kill the game for our competition." *Passes out the tinfoil hats*
Actually, my goal was simply to point out that you seem desperate to blame ANYTHING but Aces High and it's players for the problems with the game. As for being a shill i'll go ahead and say that I thought War Blunder was horrible and I would suggest that everybody save their time and not bother with it. I am very excited to see the new graphics and hopefully that will bring players back. That being said without changes to the way the game is played those new players will leave upon realizing that the game isn't much fun no matter how beautiful the terrain you're chasing that Runstang through is. (Just like they have been)
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Last night was a good example of the three country problem. The Bish and Knights were pounding it out on their side of the map leaving the Rooks with a few scraps. If we the Rooks took advantage of the situation, we could have captured a lot of easily but I, we didn't.
I have heard many times a nob ask a question and get jumped by sly remarks offering no help at all.
This is a tough game to learn. Its a tough game to survive in for long enough to learn.
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Sarcasm doesn't play well in text, Coogan. The guy comes here to comment on all the sarcastic responses he gets in the MA and you give him a sarcastic response. It's not other people's fault if they didn't get your "joke" -- that usually means you didn't tell it right.
Tips for FORK2:
Detune Channel 200 -- Very little of what you'll see there is useful and the game is often more enjoyable with 200 off. Likewise you have to take this General Forum with a grain of salt, as many people come here simply to troll and annoy others. Sadly the Main Arena and this Forum (online games in general, for that matter) are full of people who get their enjoyment from griefing others -- that is just the reality of it. You need to learn to ignore the idiots (who are often the most vocal) in order to find the relatively silent majority of decent folks.
Ask questions in the Training Arena or on the Training Forum, not here or in the MA -- Sarcastic or misleading answers are not tolerated in the Training Arena or Training Forum. You may still get them, but usually they are quickly called out and corrected if you get them.
Get more than one opinion on things -- Very few people have ALL the answers. When you find players you think you can trust and who are willing to answer questions or give help, go ahead and ask them. But don't take what any one person says as gospel. When it comes to game play, there are different approaches and different methods for the many different aspects of the game. For example, air combat alone has different schools of thought on how to approach it. Often times getting help and input from multiple sources will give you a better idea of things.
Don't just join one squad, expect to try several squads, BEFORE you find a home. A squad should help you learn what you want to learn. If the squad you are with doesn't teach what you want or fit your needs or play style, try out another squad. I've personally been a member of three different squads in AH during my time here. The first taught me about the mechanics of base-taking but couldn't teach ACM or wingman tactics. The second squad did focus on air combat and teamwork, but was mainly European and didn't participate in FSO. My current squad participates in FSO (a one-life to live attempt at a more realistic, historical combat setting) but doesn't fly in the MA too often. In a way, that's nice for me, as it gives me a certain level of freedom to fly on what side I want and with whomever I want in the MA. So, while squads are great, they are not the complete answer.
Lastly, the game requires patience. Most players plateau and stick to things that are easy because it is too hard to get better. If you have patience (and learn to tolerate all the nonsense), then you can thrive in AH.
Just a few tips from somebody who agrees this "community" has a very ugly face when what people first see is channel 200 and the forum. The key to AH is to look past that to find the heart of gold of the game.
Good luck.
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Ryno
FORK:
:aok all of these. Some of the best advice you will get. Don't give up on the game. Take a break if need be.
Look beyond the silliness and you will find it's a great game.
Most of the players who appear to be jerks are really pretty decent people. Some players just allow themselves to get caught up in the competition or temporarily lose control of their emotions. The number of actual jerks is very, very, very small....but that's something you will realize only by giving the game more time.
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The first thing that would really help is a decent manual / online help page with every single nuance of the game dissected and explained FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF SOMEONE WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME.
Say what you like about how much work has gone into the help page, from a noobs point of view it's bloody awful. There's so much that isn't explained or glossed over quickly assuming pre-existing knowledge. The training corps is great but, again, so many people don't come anywhere near the forum and don't know about it. More trainers in game, keeping an eye out for posts on ch....er.....6 is it? And a message, a massive message in bold underlined writing, should tell all new accounts about the help channel and how to tune to it.
The second thing that would help is more events like FSO and Scenarios, the mess and unfriendlyness of the main arena can be left behind. FSO is not for Europeans cos it's at 5am. That sucks. Scenarios are great but don't happen anywhere near frequently enough. However, I'm also not a fan of short (or zero) icon ranges used in a lot of events, I liked the 12k icon ranges we once had. I think the idea that no icons is more realistic is an elitist attitude and removes a lot of the fun for noobs and any poor sods playing on a 14" laptop screen. That and I'm too lazy to clean my screen....
I would say the AvA is the place to be but....a) there's never anyone in there and b) no icons.
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It's hard to tell who is new and who is not these days...the griefers have been given the ability to change there name at will. Cause they :cry ed
Should be 1 acct 1 name...then we could more easily tell when a noob is on.
As it stands CanOCorn and CanOBeans might not be the same person.
But... I digress,
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It's hard to tell who is new and who is not these days...the griefers have been given the ability to change there name at will. Cause they :cry ed
Should be 1 acct 1 name...then we could more easily tell when a noob is on.
As it stands CanOCorn and CanOBeans might not be the same person.
But... I digress,
I agree. While we're at it we could implement fingerprinting and random cavity searches.
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FORK:
:aok all of these. Some of the best advice you will get. Don't give up on the game. Take a break if need be.
Look beyond the silliness and you will find it's a great game.
Most of the players who appear to be jerks are really pretty decent people. Some players just allow themselves to get caught up in the competition or temporarily lose control of their emotions. The number of actual jerks is very, very, very small....but that's something you will realize only by giving the game more time.
I apologise :cry
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I agree. While we're at it we could implement fingerprinting and random cavity searches.
If you :cry loud enough :aok
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If you :cry loud enough :aok
Perhaps DNA testing with the requirement that you send a sample before your account becomes active?
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I apologise :cry
Fork:
That reminds me...while you are at it...be sure to avoid Zack. Zack is one of the biggest jerks in the game. I take that back...he's the BIGGEST!
Ignore him and watch out for pie theft.
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:D :bolt:
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Had a real good long rant worked up...but the game is dying so it doesn't matter...Fork2 I've seen you around and offered you help...what you are saying is terrible...and I feel for you...come fly with our squad we will show you how to deal with the riff raff of AH...or just come check out FSO with us...don't give up because of people like (insert name here) run their mouths 24/7...chit talking is the nature of the beast....you either let it go or go off...letting it not bother you is a virtue that most do not have.... :salute
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...don't give up because of people like (insert name here) run their mouths 24/7...chit talking is the nature of the beast....you either let it go or go off...letting it not bother you is a virtue that most do not have.... :salute
Don`t want to encourage rude behaviour, but I for one am a great fan of receiving genuine raging private messages that come from the hart after I shoot somebody down. The sad part of this game is that seemingly nice people like Fork2 who would like to fly in a friendly environment get all the name calling. During the last 8 months or so playing I have had only 5 or so rude pm-s and I have used the ack to clear my 6 more than once. I am not on channel 200, but most of the stuff posted there is pointless anyway.
"Come back you lousy excuse of a fighter pilot", "Crappy pilot", "FU", "Thinking of visiting you on my next summer vacation sissy girl" :lol
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I think part of the problem here is neutral or positive responses get ignored while the negative ones get a lot of attention. 200 and here.
In game I've got far far more positive PMs from other players than negative ones, an most of the negative ones are from a small minority who have a reputation for it.
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The only complains I currently have are;
1. Maps are often too big for the current player base on them.
A. From what I've seen many of the larger maps lead to stale gameplay, particularly when the center area between all the countries is captured.
B. The current numbers on line, particularly in the off hours can't fill the larger maps.
2. There is no need to hang around after you take a base.
A. It is fun taking off and going towards the biggest red dar on the map.
B. Unfortunately, if they take the base when you're on route, they entire mission can be landed and gone across the map within 3 minutes.
C. It would be better if the flag stayed white regardless of resupply, ack didn't go up instantly, the field was a neutral field (ie they couldn't land on it) and this period of vulnerability lasted about 15-20 minutes.
D. If C was implemented, I would recommend making field captures easier through a lower number of buildings needing to be destroyed. This would have the side effect of decreasing the size of missions as well.
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I think part of the problem here is neutral or positive responses get ignored while the negative ones get a lot of attention. 200 and here.
In game I've got far far more positive PMs from other players than negative ones, an most of the negative ones are from a small minority who have a reputation for it.
Definitely. In the last months I've only gotten one hateful message (you know who you are :neener:), but I've had plenty of positive PM exchanges. When I have a particularly nice fight with someone I'ts nice to receive a salute and PM afterwards. :salute
...and yes, I too am guilty of cleaning my tail with the ack...some weeks ago a P-51 was chasing my mossie and I made him run through our CV. I felt so dirty afterwards... :cry
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Yes, I understand. Give the game time. I have. Two weeks, which I believe was enough. Why pay for a game that turns me off? But, I got the free stick for two months sub so I guess i'm here for another 6 weeks.
BTW I think Coogan was just joking.
Perhaps I was hasty in my judgement on SOME things but not all. I appreciate the feedback.
I do know the numbers are falling and I will try to do more. I think I'll try out some of the other features.
One last point, none of my ideas need be implemented or even listened too, but, I hope I have raised awareness and hopefully there will be a more welcoming tone from the old timers. When there are only 25 people on a side and you can't get an answer on anything from anyone, you know after three days, relationships are set. To new people you're acting like you DO NOT WANT them to know anything so they can't compete with you. And that's pretty sad for a competitive game play...In the end, whether you like it or not, you're just running off people to feel special.
This is the bestww2 flight sim out takes alot longer than 2weeks or even 4 months to learn all there is to know depends on how much time you invest, find a few squads to fly with they'll be happy to help to out. :rock
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The game has a large learning curve for new players you simply cant learn everything in 2 weeks infact very few players come in and climb to the top within 2 years i can remember when i was a noob this was the very first game i ever played online i saw it on military channel back in 2008 i was 17 at the time and gave it a try i was always a playstation hero lol i came here thinking i was gonna learn this game as fast as i could playstation games and no that is not the case for 3 years i let my ego play the game for me and did not learn much other then i was getting my arse handed to me every sortie i then settled down and started flying for fun and taking time to fly with veteran pilots that showed me how to fly and i am very thankful for that considering i was an ego type player. i have played many games online and yet aces high is still the one you cant just learn in a set time i still learn things everytime i play even after a few years of playing that is what is cool to me many other games you can be good and at the top within a month or less but not aces high and thats what keeps me here is the difficulty and the love for WW2 fighters. Fork its a very rough game on new players and will take alot of time to learn sir thank you for your service and if you see me in game and need help please ask sir i will be glad to help you if i can. my name is Biggamer ingame as well :salute . sorry for the wall of text
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This game is hard there is no beating around the bush....the difficulty and thrill of the fight and my love for WWII fighters keeps me here too....you have to have patience and lots of it to play this game...its not for the faint of heart...its not for those who's feelings get hurt easily...its not for people who get all bent out of shape when they fail....it takes time, money and lots of patience...many of these people don't have
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Fork, "endeavor to persevere"! :aok
As everyone has mentioned already, this game as a STEEP learning curve, been at it just over 2 years now and I'm still amazed at what I don't know. But I haven't found any game online or on the game machines that compare to this. I enjoy every aspect of it, the aircraft, the tanks, the strategy, tactics and the other players. While the game does have its elite, whiners and know it all's, for the most part players are friendly and supportive, or at least in your "country". :D
While I'm not as knowledgeable as most here in the forum, if you catch me online and I can help feel free to ask, I will be more than happy to share what I know. :salute
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Fork, if i am on I will be more than willing to share my limited knowledge. Flying name is Ted, easy enough to remember. I have even offered advice to people i have shot down, for example a new guy the otherr day was in an energy fighter and i in a spit. He tried to turn with me died. I told him, next time fight the fight your plane was designed for, you could quickly outrun me, get alt come back and work me from above.
Like most players i want a good fight, it is there where i learn. Yes i hate the ones who fly around at angel 20 and kill wounded birds to make their score better and ho'rs i come to expect that now.
You advive was good and the tone of it (spirit) well in keeping with constructive criticism.
My idea... shut down 200!!! why do we need to talk with the enemy anyway. We can always PM and of course .s That would kill a lot of the negativity Fork mentioned. Yes I have and do spout on 200, out of frustration mostly. If it wasn't available I wouldn't be able to do that lol.
Good luck fork... and if you see me online, stop by and say hi! Ill wing with you. Respect for your service!
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C. It would be better if the flag stayed white regardless of resupply, ack didn't go up instantly, the field was a neutral field (ie they couldn't land on it) and this period of vulnerability lasted about 15-20 minutes.
D. If C was implemented, I would recommend making field captures easier through a lower number of buildings needing to be destroyed. This would have the side effect of decreasing the size of missions as well.
First time I've seen suggestions like this but I think they make a lot of sense.
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OP:
Your AH experience is not 50% nor even 25% close to enough for stay/quit assessment if you
1. haven't flown with a squad
2. quit that squad (your time with random jerk players substitutes for that) for one you actually fit with (ie you chronically look forward IRL to flight and not-flight squad time) even if for you it's as for Widewing
3. done special events whether historical or pure "arcade" action like KOTH where the action/scenario isn't left up to random teeming masses of players in the MAs.
That said: if WWII warbirds and/or dogfighting and/or leading in more strategic events (MA if lucky, but most likely "special events") don't fuel your fire, then 15$/mo for AH will sooner than later not be worth it, and indeed in that case, why bother?
My 2c from something like 10 years and 2 good squads, millions of hours sitting on my cheeks yanking a stick around for admittedly diminishing returns in the later years... But when returns there were, those make it all worth it.
Squelch ch200 and focus on what gets you off, whether it's hit sprites or top score rank or historical immersion or just a quick and dirty stick & rudder fix between IRL stuff.
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The game will die unless things change, but not quite yet and not so soon that you can't get a whole lot of satisfaction first. And... If you quit... The force of change is one man weaker.
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Summary: The players need to evolve.
Attempting to "modify" your client base to appreciate and improve your product has never been a successful marketing strategy.
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only thing I would agree is dead is all arenas outside of the MA and SEA.
the solution would be to make all those empty arenas free to play. Yes we hate free loaders and pip squeaks but the competition is free and it is the biggest hook that I can see that would lead to the many more alleged players.
Imagine the WW1 arena with kites all over it! seems a shame to just be a dustbowl as is.
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make all those empty arenas free to play.
Is it feasible for HTC budget?
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Is it feasible for HTC budget?
do you think the MA crowd would all drop their subs overnight and play WW1 / DA?
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Is it feasible for HTC budget?
It might if HTC limited the number of players and plane sets in the free arena. Use it as a marketting vehicle for getting a paid account, flying better planes and with more bad guys. Give new people a taste....then reel them in.
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It might if HTC limited the number of players and plane sets in the free arena. Use it as a marketting vehicle for getting a paid account, flying better planes and with more bad guys. Give new people a taste....then reel them in.
It might work, but then again, it might have a castastrophic impact. Say it is hugely successful and a hundred players are in the free arenas. Suddenly, 30 MA players decide the free arena is more "fun". Then you have a snowball/exodus effect when the MA becomes less and less fun as more players gravitate towards the more fun arena. Then you start having guys saying, "well i never fly the "pay arena" so let me just cancel and play in the free and more fun arena!" Next thing you know you're screwed.
Not saying it wouldn't work, but it is way too risky to start opening up free arenas.
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That or
do you think the MA crowd would all drop their subs overnight and play WW1 / DA?
Can HTC afford the traffic? Most of H2H was a ghetto - most H2H players stayed in H2H.
But the Grizz scenario could probably be proofed by nerfing free arenas somehow. Like they used to do with H2H. Probably H2H was local host so HTC avoided traffic budget, and altogether probably *is/was* their optimal formula for new player bait.
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only thing I would agree is dead is all arenas outside of the MA and SEA.
the solution would be to make all those empty arenas free to play. Yes we hate free loaders and pip squeaks but the competition is free and it is the biggest hook that I can see that would lead to the many more alleged players.
Imagine the WW1 arena with kites all over it! seems a shame to just be a dustbowl as is.
+1 on the free WW1 arena, I am gonna start trying to get some time back in there now my hat is fixed.
Speaking as someone who played H2H for a long time on off, I don't really think the game in the MA appealed to me enough to sub at the start, but then when it was gone I realised I was hooked and had to cough up :rofl
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Have some patience and be prepared to fail. Don't worry that you can't do-it-all right away. It's not that kind of sim. Check the ego and just fly and have fun. The rest will follow. :salute
Regards.
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I wonder how many new people HTC would get if they advertized a "free weekend". Put a date on it, and actually try a draw people to a specific weekend. Once here and looking at things the new players see and understand that they actually get two free weeks.
I dunno... just thinkin' out loud I guess.
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It might work, but then again, it might have a castastrophic impact. Say it is hugely successful and a hundred players are in the free arenas. Suddenly, 30 MA players decide the free arena is more "fun". Then you have a snowball/exodus effect when the MA becomes less and less fun as more players gravitate towards the more fun arena. Then you start having guys saying, "well i never fly the "pay arena" so let me just cancel and play in the free and more fun arena!" Next thing you know you're screwed.
Not saying it wouldn't work, but it is way too risky to start opening up free arenas.
F2P can be implemented in MA without any risk to current base of subscribers with the following rules:
1) F2P is only available to mouse via ai controlled plane handling. (This will prevent migration to F2P from current base of subscribers)
2) F2P people play only for one country (Rooks for example) and current subscribers play for Knights or Bishops. (this will prevent cross spying and will make the game more chilly -- the war that have never been seen before )
3) F2P people can play with F3 view with gun site but can only start with early war planes and later on can get access to better planes based on gained experience or by purchasing (by cash) planes from HTC. (motivational purposes)
As soon as the rumors spread into World of Warplanes/Tanks and War Thunder communities that AH offers F2P with instant war and hundreds of players in one arena with nicely combined air/ground war operations there will be no need to any advertisements at all and the numbers of F2P players will start to rise quickly. (Upcoming AH graphics update is a way to go of course)
HTC should be prepared to put more and more big arenas - but it is a good thing - F2P games bring top cash revenues nowdays. There will be lots of servers lots of players and and HiTech would be able to get a real P-51D into his hangar soon ;)
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I like it..(see above)
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I wonder how many new people HTC would get if they advertized a "free weekend".
I wonder how many new people HTC would get if they advertized.
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The game was fine until someone stuck a Fork in it.
Now it's dead.
P.S. I was given permission to be a dick.
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:rofl
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Skuzzy forgive me if cross a line here, but I've read the first 6 pages and Fork's commentary. I was there when the so-called "no one helping" him and the said name calling. Fork you brought it all on yourself. Criticizing Knights, implying they are stupid, don't know anything about strategy, telling them that the Bish are so much better and that they know strategy, etc., is not exactly the best way to make friends and influence ppl.
It's not right he gets a pass here as being the ignorant noob that was asking questions and being mocked, rather far from the truth. Now Fork, I'll concede, I may not have seen the whole conversation, maybe something precipitated it that brought it to where I picked up, but for the preceding 15 minutes to you leaving Knights you were giving as much as you were receiving.
Knights do things their own way, there are many Knights who do things the way some Bish/Rook do, any many more who are Knights because they don't do things that way. Macro analysis: Bish do things their ways, Rooks their ways, and Knights their ways. <<<Took me a long time to figure that out.
HiTech acknowledged he sees you have some valid points. That is as good as gold.
Did you spend any time with a trainer? The outreach from guys like Morfiend to help us is incredibly generous, not to mention incredibly helpful. See how a session goes and build on that would be my $.02
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Also, while you'd be much better served learning BFM/ACM from the trainers, I like to help ppl that seek it, I can help you with many of the intricacies of the game, gv play/shooting, setting up sounds, mapping buttons to your controllers, etc. If you see me around and have some questions, give a shout, I'd be happy to help.
My previous post was not meant to pick on you in any way, only to be fair for the record. I can understand your frustrations, for content in another post I went all the way back, every tour I have played in almost two years, that second tour I had I noticed 15 kills to almost 75 deaths in the 190A-5 and 9 kills to something like 70 deaths in the D9. The learning curve is what keeps players around for years, once you get some piece of knowledge under your belt, there is always something next.
:salute
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only thing I would agree is dead is all arenas outside of the MA and SEA.
the solution would be to make all those empty arenas free to play. Yes we hate free loaders and pip squeaks but the competition is free and it is the biggest hook that I can see that would lead to the many more alleged players.
Imagine the WW1 arena with kites all over it! seems a shame to just be a dustbowl as is.
Back in the day 1 month free trial..
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This game.... easy to learn, difficult to master!
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once you get some piece of knowledge under your belt, there is always something next.
Like the HO :ahand
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This game.... easy to learn, difficult to master!
Aces High differs from life in that its what you know, not who you know that counts :D
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See Rule #4
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Like the HO :ahand
Since you decided to reply to me here, instead of the thread that you accuse me of name calling you for some HO where you were in an A-8 and me in a P-40. I'll ask again, what are you referring to? I don't ever recall any pm/200 exchange with you about anything. I looked both of us up, all of your A-8 kills since I've been here, and all of my P-40 deaths. Never, not once did it include you. Matter of fact, I've never died to your A-8 in any plane. At least to anyone named Xavier.
Since you seem bent on me, please clarify.
Btw, I don't fly the P-40 very much at all, in a year and half that I've been here it looked like roughly less than 20 times, mostly just to learn it. Other times, lately, because eny was high and it carries a bomb and big gun for town jabo.
Hotard has a bbs account or I'd suspect you are him, and yes more than a year ago I was quite irritated with Hotard and the HO's. Anymore it is what it is.
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then said he was not intrested in teaching it to me because I had a attitude.
...so...did you have a attitude...?
- oldman
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Tried doing that last night. All I know is said "trainer" said I was stick sturring and wasting E. He then stated that he had a move that would not waste E but then said he was not intrested in teaching it to me because I had a attitude.
A learned so much, the TA is useless.
"Said Trainer" ?
Are you talking about Morfiend ?
Son, you better back that truck up and unload that BS.
I can't imagine anything like that happening unless you really did have a bad attitude. Morf is more patient and forgiving than anyone I have seen. A N Y O N E
Yeah, it does not happen often, but your post pissed me off.
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Before you tell me to go elsewhere, or tell me you've been playing the game for a bazillion years and STFU, or I don't respect the game, or whatever your excuse is for not listening to people when they don't tell you what you want to hear let me explain.
Two weeks into the game have soured me on it however.
You've been here before and you are no two weeker.
Rudeness is definately a problem at times, but it is by no means what is wrong with the game. Visiting any online game will prove that.
Why don't you tell us who you really are and we can continue this lil chat, eh. :aok
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Since you decided to reply to me here, instead of the thread that you accuse me of name calling you for some HO where you were in an A-8 and me in a P-40. I'll ask again, what are you referring to? I don't ever recall any pm/200 exchange with you about anything. I looked both of us up, all of your A-8 kills since I've been here, and all of my P-40 deaths. Never, not once did it include you. Matter of fact, I've never died to your A-8 in any plane. At least to anyone named Xavier.
Since you seem bent on me, please clarify.
Btw, I don't fly the P-40 very much at all, in a year and half that I've been here it looked like roughly less than 20 times, mostly just to learn it. Other times, lately, because eny was high and it carries a bomb and big gun for town jabo.
Hotard has a bbs account or I'd suspect you are him, and yes more than a year ago I was quite irritated with Hotard and the HO's. Anymore it is what it is.
My bad! I apologise, after checking the stats I see you're absolutely right! The player was vonKrimm, and I was flying an F-8, not an A-8. :uhoh
Sorry again! :cry
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Tried doing that last night. All I know is said "trainer" said I was stick sturring and wasting E. He then stated that he had a move that would not waste E but then said he was not intrested in teaching it to me because I had a attitude.
A learned so much, the TA is useless.
Utter nonsense. Ever trainer I have had the privilege of spending time with has been the epitome of patience.
Respectfully, either he wasn't a trainer or you had severe attitude meltdown, or it never happened.
Which trainer was it?
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"Said Trainer" ?
Are you talking about Morfiend ?
Son, you better back that truck up and unload that BS.
I can't imagine anything like that happening unless you really did have a bad attitude. Morf is more patient and forgiving than anyone I have seen. A N Y O N E
Yeah, it does not happen often, but your post pissed me off.
I was said trainer! And yes I refused to help said player because he copped an attitude about some constructive critism. I tried to politely tell him doing the dolphin waste's E. He didnt understand what I meant by dolphin so I said it was a polite way of describing stick stiring.
When anyone puts words in my mouth I didnt say or claims things that I didnt do well I reserve the right to refuse to help.
I dont get paid for my time and most know I do whatever I can to help but I'm not a baby sitter and if you act like a child I will treat you as such. Said player is lucky I didnt eject or mute him but then I dont tend to abuse my powers in the TA.
Incase said player would like to refute what I just said I know several other player who were there that can verify things,however I dont think I need to justify my position.
:salute
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:salute Morfiend
You must acknowledge I was being defensive of trainers and not critical.
If you have the time sometime, maybe you wouldn't mind giving me a few pointers :aok
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To 'change-up' discussion a bit....I actually 'practised' alot off line..so much so I burned up my 2 weeks before even logging into online arenas.HTC could post some of my early(as Groth) emails where I was off deep end on how tough it was to 'make damn game' work. They were(and remain) very patient with me.
My 1st squad was great bunch...who when an update happened all quit the game, leaving me only member...w/no invite priveleges...so I than flew solo a while. My invite to present squad came on ol' Big Pizza map..as I watch same country fighter chasing red dot and asked on green if he waanted a hand..he didn't need it, dispatching the red handly. But he and his wingman asked me to join, sent invite. But squad ever.
As to 'helping newbs'..I will always help ..unless and until they ignore advice and keep screaming for help....then, they on their own.
I also do this in RL, and am involved in charities were I share my decades of knowledge in my field w/anyone with slightest polite leanings.
I seriously doubt Mr 'FORK2' was reasonably polite.
Just my opinion..take it or leave it. But I stand behind it.
Kill the game? Too many times I've seen newbs taken under wing of others. TOO MANY TIMES. Mr Fork may need to step back, check himself.
JGroth
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Danny,
I only saw your post as positive,no worries my friend! I'm usually in the TA during the week between 9pm and 11pm eastern,I'm rarely on on weekends but have been know to show up the odd Sunday night.
Please feel free to drop by and just ask for some help. I prefer to setup appointments but either way is fine.
:salute
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Appreciated. I shall be bothering you sometime soon
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See Rule #4 (this is absolutely not constructive)
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I was said trainer! And yes I refused to help said player because he copped an attitude about some constructive critism. I tried to politely tell him doing the dolphin waste's E. He didnt understand what I meant by dolphin so I said it was a polite way of describing stick stiring.
When anyone puts words in my mouth I didnt say or claims things that I didnt do well I reserve the right to refuse to help.
I dont get paid for my time and most know I do whatever I can to help but I'm not a baby sitter and if you act like a child I will treat you as such. Said player is lucky I didnt eject or mute him but then I dont tend to abuse my powers in the TA.
Incase said player would like to refute what I just said I know several other player who were there that can verify things,however I dont think I need to justify my position.
:salute
As a BBS parolee, Olds442 has manged to annoy both Skuzzy and Morfiend. That takes genuine effort. When I was a trainer, I would allow only so much attitude, then it was goodbye time. trainer's are volunteers. They are people who love the game and contribute their time freely. If you step on their crank, it tells me that you have a real lack of courtesy. Fix that....
Even though I have retired from training, I would would set aside time to assist Olds442. However, if I get an attitude, I'll beat him like a drum.... There's nothing quite as humbling as a complete beat down for those who think there's room in the TA for egos. There isn't. Not so much as a millimeter of it. Once we establish that the trainee has flaws, it's easy to correct them. God knows, several trainers spent many hours teaching me, and I'll always be grateful to them for that. If you want to learn, you show up hat in hand and be gracious. Guy's like Morfiend could be having fun the MA. Instead, they spend much of their time giving to others. Give them the courtesy and respect they have earned and deserve.
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So someone has attitude when ever they disagree with you?
Then lets not forgot after it all had settled down you still kept trying to initiate something on range VOX?
You piss a guy off and assume he isn't going to express his being annoyed? There's nothing you can say that I would accept. I've known Morf for a very long time, and he's a gentleman first and foremost.
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Last thing im going to say, there was another player in the TA at the time who also wanted to see said move but then went of to play WOT. This is how we loose players, which was proven as that player went to go play another game because of what was happening in the TA.
I am NOT trying to say that ALL trainers act in this manner and most of them I have had a good experience with.
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The problem with that (if it is a problem from your perspective) is that limited realism arenas dominate when they are an option and that is followed by people going where the numbers are. You end up with a heavily populated limited realism arena and a nearly empty full realism arena.
That is fine and all, but it would a very sad thing for those of us who prefer full realism. There isn't any other home to go to right now for us.
If you like, you can turn on the stall limiter in the existing arena, you just won't have quite as much control as those without it.
Check out DCS WWII: Europe 1944
I have enjoyed flying the P-51 in full realism. IMHO. :salute
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And BTW HTC, with all due respect. Competition is GOOD. :D
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And BTW HTC, with all due respect. Competition is GOOD. :D
So, sincerely Sir, why are you here? Is this a big advertising campaign? :bhead
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The problem with that (if it is a problem from your perspective) is that limited realism arenas dominate when they are an option and that is followed by people going where the numbers are. You end up with a heavily populated limited realism arena and a nearly empty full realism arena.
That is fine and all, but it would a very sad thing for those of us who prefer full realism. There isn't any other home to go to right now for us.
If you like, you can turn on the stall limiter in the existing arena, you just won't have quite as much control as those without it.
After reading your post, that almost sounds like it's admitting a problem.
Sort of like "We can't let the slaves be free, because they'll enjoy their freedom and never come back if we give it to them."
If relaxed-realism is where the market is going, then be assured: this game needs to go there to or it will die.
Directly to the point, relaxed-realism is better, both historically and in my personal opinion, for gaming purposes. There are so many non-realistic aspects of Aces High that even it fails to model actual WWII combat accurately. The few things that are modeled (that other games do not model) typically tend to make a very complicated mess out of something that's very easy to do in real life.
Example? Cockpit-only views.
The user either has to
a) Spend $100 for TrackIR, take weeks to learn the setup, and then wear a hat (or other device) for gameplay,
b) Build their own tracking software, spending money for the materals, take weeks to learn the setup... and wear a hat (or other device) for gameplay,
c) Use a non-intuitive hatswitch+multi-key combination to get limited 45* views, or
d) Not adapt and fly at a disadvantage.
Many of us would laugh at thinking the above is complex (I personally run TrackIR and find it very easy to use), but for your average user, this is beyond ridiculous. And for what advantage? To say that "we're realistic"? The only functional limitation of cockpit-only views is shooting over the cowling and lead-turning someone at close range.
In real life, it's comparatively effortless to track another plane while flying, much more so than this game makes it.
Giving players access to a full-forward view, combined with a padlock view (not the limited version we have now) makes the game that much more accessible to new players. So what if it's easy to shoot close range? Is it "realistic"? No, but it's no less realistic than Spitfires fighting Spitfires or 109K-4's getting 1-shot kills on a fighter at 200yds. And don't get me started on the chess-piece teams (which I believe damages attractiveness to prospective players, including myself at one time, greatly).
In the meantime, you've just lost multiple potential new subscribers.
And so on.
Full-realism rarely scales well in sims. Trying to limit players' access to a relaxed-realism arena, acknowledging that they wouldn't play with you given the option, is a very sad admission and a very self-defeating position to take.
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^ That was well written.
I don't play the game with Track IR, I have sat there, imagining moving my head, and simply feel that i would be dogfighting looking out of the corner of my eye, in a silly hat. :joystick:
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Last thing im going to say, there was another player in the TA at the time who also wanted to see said move but then went of to play WOT. This is how we loose players, which was proven as that player went to go play another game because of what was happening in the TA.
I am NOT trying to say that ALL trainers act in this manner and most of them I have had a good experience with.
The pair of you told me to backup my claim! Then proceeded to place paramiters that didnt exist.
You made the claim that it breaks the laws of physics,etc. then as I was using the BRD with another player all I said was "see it works and doesnt even break the laws of physics....."
Face it your feelings got hurt,you infered I said that you were flying wrong and proceeded to badger me over that. Then you come here and infer I chased both of you away,when all I did was ignore you.
I'm not sure why I'm letting this get to me,maybe I need to take a step back for awhile.
:salute
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The pair of you told me to backup my claim! Then proceeded to place paramiters that didnt exist.
You made the claim that it breaks the laws of physics,etc. then as I was using the BRD with another player all I said was "see it works and doesnt even break the laws of physics....."
Face it your feelings got hurt,you infered I said that you were flying wrong and proceeded to badger me over that. Then you come here and infer I chased both of you away,when all I did was ignore you.
I'm not sure why I'm letting this get to me,maybe I need to take a step back for awhile.
:salute
Given it was the TA you should have shot them so full of holes they couldnt see out?
Believe me, what you chaps do in the TA means an awful lot, I just hope they migrate to the MA and get :ahand incessantly till they come back humble or simply bugger off :salute
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"Competition is good.." said Walmart..
JGroth
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Sorry you have had such a bad experience. Ive always found help from other players and feel bad to read that you were treated poorly. Remember most of us are simply video game dweebs not fighter pilots. The callus nature of the knights and other squads Is most likely the result of those players "playing the game at they like". Teamwork and follow my idea goals will often lead you nowhere and that is just the nature of the community. If you keep looking you will find people to play with and knowledgeable players that would be happy to help you. Again, if you just dont expect much cooperation from other gamers, you can save some stress, they are busy and seasoned to withstand noob crys. Its really a shame the community has dissolved to the point of isolationism and cold hartedness as a norm. With positive change we can hope more players will be drawn in to enrich the community. Unfortunately, those new players will take time to gain skill. heck it took me 4 months to get a kill and 7 months to find out about zoom control. Finally, understand if a opposing player gets mad at you thats the way it goes. Nobody likes to get hoed, killed, rammed, bombed, vulched, or having their hangers down or base taken, or warping. Thats all part of the game and the whiners loss.
Best of luck
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Sorry you have had such a bad experience. Ive always found help from other players and feel bad to read that you were treated poorly. Remember most of us are simply video game dweebs not fighter pilots. The callus nature of the knights and other squads Is most likely the result of those players "playing the game at they like". Teamwork and follow my idea goals will often lead you nowhere and that is just the nature of the community. If you keep looking you will find people to play with and knowledgeable players that would be happy to help you. Again, if you just dont expect much cooperation from other gamers, you can save some stress, they are busy and seasoned to withstand noob crys. Its really a shame the community has dissolved to the point of isolationism and cold hartedness as a norm. With positive change we can hope more players will be drawn in to enrich the community. Unfortunately, those new players will take time to gain skill. heck it took me 4 months to get a kill and 7 months to find out about zoom control. Finally, understand if a opposing player gets mad at you thats the way it goes. Nobody likes to get hoed, killed, rammed, bombed, vulched, or having their hangers down or base taken, or warping. Thats all part of the game and the whiners loss.
Best of luck
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Well said, could I add to this... in your formative time in this game, try not to be a knob to those guys who are trying to give you a hand :aok
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So, sincerely Sir, why are you here? Is this a big advertising campaign? :bhead
This is still a free country so I do whatever I want within the law. I fly Aces High more for the social interaction and the larger number of players. Some days I feel like going through a lot of steps just to start my plane and not blow the engine. And...DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS! :airplane: :airplane: :airplane:
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This is still a free country so I do whatever I want within the law. I fly Aces High more for the social interaction and the larger number of players. Some days I feel like going through a lot of steps just to start my plane and not blow the engine. And...DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS! :airplane: :airplane: :airplane:
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Whatever floats it bud :huh
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I would point out..most 'nowbs' do not understand No One listening is PAID......they will get, understandibly, upset there is no 'help'...
Big Point...
JGroth
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We only need worry when HTC start offering free bacon with AcesHigh subscriptions :old:
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We only need worry when HTC start offering free bacon with AcesHigh subscriptions :old:
I had to read that twice, my optimism synapses read that as "HTC offering free bacon" :x
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We only need worry when HTC start offering free bacon with AcesHigh subscriptions :old:
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Here at "Pigs On The Wing" our diligent staff has perfected the BLT. You want free bacon, we got you covered.
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The game was fine until someone stuck a Fork in it.
Now it's dead.
P.S. I was given permission to be a dick.
I may be late in saying ... but I did laugh at this. :D
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My bad! I apologise, after checking the stats I see you're absolutely right! The player was vonKrimm, and I was flying an F-8, not an A-8. :uhoh
Sorry again! :cry
Apology accepted. I was like wth, and thought did I go off on someone and just can't recall...then I thought well I don't drink so I should remember that happening...LOL had me wondering.
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:salute Morfiend, you have always been very generous and helpful with the many flaws I have in my flying, answering my questions and understanding concepts. Much appreciated by me and many others I've heard mention how helpful you were to them too.
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Last thing im going to say, there was another player in the TA at the time who also wanted to see said move but then went of to play WOT. This is how we loose players, which was proven as that player went to go play another game because of what was happening in the TA.
Ah, the instant gratification generation. Show me how to immediately or I'll go elsewhere.
One of the things I like about this game is that everything you know you have to earn. Being respectful to Morfiend is a small price to help you on your way, let alone a common courtesy.
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Ah, the instant gratification generation. Show me how to immediately or I'll go elsewhere.
One of the things I like about this game is that everything you know you have to earn. Being respectful to Morfiend is a small price to help you on your way, let alone a common courtesy.
I would probably have never subscribed to warbirds if I didn't have the offline mode to practice air combat with. I wanted to know that I can hold my own before going online. After I became efficient enough to kill the drones at the difficult level, I went online for the first time. And I was instantly hooked on how much different it was to play against real humans instead of bots.
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Ah, the instant gratification generation. Show me how to immediately or I'll go elsewhere.
One of the things I like about this game is that everything you know you have to earn. Being respectful to Morfiend is a small price to help you on your way, let alone a common courtesy.
Ah, the person that had no idea what happened but feels he needs to weigh in on the subject. Given I have been playing this game for a good 6 years now I don't think I went elsewhere.
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Ah, the person that had no idea what happened but feels he needs to weigh in on the subject. Given I have been playing this game for a good 6 years now I don't think I went elsewhere.
I managed to gain a small idea from your description and then a good deal more when Morfiend said you were being childish.
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Olds, let me help you out by offering to you a response that would be appropriate coming from you at this time.
"To Morphine,
I thank you for your kind offer to help me in the training arena. I know that your time is valuable and I apologize for waisting it with my childish behavior. I made the mistake of thinking I knew what I was doing when I do not. I was embarrassed when my limited skill set was shown and in my stubbornness I tried to cling to my faulty ACM instead of listening and learning what I had come to the TA for in the first place. I very much want to become a more skilled player and would greatly appreciate a second chance in the TA for a second session with you."
Feel free to cut and paste this Olds.
:salute Good luck.
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^^^ :rofl
I appreciate the thought Zoney but he doesnt need to do that,nor would I expect him to either!
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Olds, let me help you out by offering to you a response that would be appropriate coming from you at this time.
"To Morphine,
I thank you for your kind offer to help me in the training arena. I know that your time is valuable and I apologize for waisting it with my childish behavior. I made the mistake of thinking I knew what I was doing when I do not. I was embarrassed when my limited skill set was shown and in my stubbornness I tried to cling to my faulty ACM instead of listening and learning what I had come to the TA for in the first place. I very much want to become a more skilled player and would greatly appreciate a second chance in the TA for a second session with you."
Feel free to cut and paste this Olds.
:salute Good luck.
Agreed Zoney.
Morph is a gentleman and asset to the community.
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Olds, let me help you out by offering to you a response that would be appropriate coming from you at this time.
"To Morphine,
I thank you for your kind offer to help me in the training arena. I know that your time is valuable and I apologize for waisting it with my childish behavior. I made the mistake of thinking I knew what I was doing when I do not. I was embarrassed when my limited skill set was shown and in my stubbornness I tried to cling to my faulty ACM instead of listening and learning what I had come to the TA for in the first place. I very much want to become a more skilled player and would greatly appreciate a second chance in the TA for a second session with you."
Feel free to cut and paste this Olds.
:salute Good luck.
Again you where not there and you have no idea at all what actually happened. Its like wow say one slightly bad thing about someone on the forums (Notice how I didn't mention ANY names at first) and bam you are a witch and shall be burned at the stake.
Also I wasn't in a TA session with morf I was fighting with somebody else and asked morf I he was a open target because I was trying to learn the 30mm on the k4 better. For now on I shall record ever sortie I fly to prevent this kind of name calling BS to happen on the forums and simply post the film, and good day!
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It's nice that AH want's to give us a new terrain model but it would be a lot better if they fix the problems with the aircraft and overall game model. IMHO; Russian planes benefit from very generous stats. Bombers that can do tight turns with bombs. Actually out turning fighters. Eny doesn't do much good if the majority of two countries battle a third. Same old maps. Same strategy. :bhead
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Its like wow say one slightly bad thing about someone...
You didn't do that though, you said:-
A learned so much, the TA is useless.
But actually it turned out it was useless for you because of you on this particular occasion.
A better thing to have learned might have been that deporting yourself in a certain way is counterproductive for yourself.
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I appreciate the thought Zoney but he doesnt need to do that,nor would I expect him to either!
Btw, thanks for taking the time to help me figure out what was zapping my FPS yesterday .... AND .... the visit was good, too. :cheers:
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You didn't do that though, you said:-
But actually it turned out it was useless for you because of you on this particular occasion.
A better thing to have learned might have been that deporting yourself in a certain way is counterproductive for yourself.
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Only after the hail of people saying how I was wrong but didn't know the situation.
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Only after the hail of people saying how I was wrong but didn't know the situation.
Then perhaps you'd better explain the situation better if you feel you have been misrepresented. The responses were based on your comments after all and you did bring this subject up (and were rule 4ed for it).
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I have been trying out our main competitor as of late. The dreaded "Woe" Thunder.
On Realism mode it is sufficiently realistic to provide a challenge but not too over the top to scare off the middle ground. Kind of similar to AH2's current set up. But in regards to the OP I say he has made very good points.
The HTC crowd are the best small company in the world as far as I am concerned, no one beats their love and dedication to their passion and product. And their business model is second to none. The product itself however by its very nature is inaccessible to a huge chunk of the market.
All things considered, War Thunder while lacking the depth of AH2, is a fun, reasonably challenging, reasonably realistic game (at least after a million patches and a few flight model overhauls anyway), with alot of fast paced kill, boom, SPLOSIONS WOW YAY in there.
We need smaller maps, and that graphics patch. Those two things will bring numbers back. At least I hope so.
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I have been trying out our main competitor as of late. The dreaded "Woe" Thunder.
On Realism mode it is sufficiently realistic to provide a challenge but not too over the top to scare off the middle ground. Kind of similar to AH2's current set up. But in regards to the OP I say he has made very good points.
The HTC crowd are the best small company in the world as far as I am concerned, no one beats their love and dedication to their passion and product. And their business model is second to none. The product itself however by its very nature is inaccessible to a huge chunk of the market.
All things considered, War Thunder while lacking the depth of AH2, is a fun, reasonably challenging, reasonably realistic game (at least after a million patches and a few flight model overhauls anyway), with alot of fast paced kill, boom, SPLOSIONS WOW YAY in there.
We need smaller maps, and that graphics patch. Those two things will bring numbers back. At least I hope so.
This, I hate doing nothing while looking for a fight 2 sectors away then when I finally get there just for the fight to die or people to come in at 20k plus...
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Example? Cockpit-only views.
The user either has to
a) Spend $100 for TrackIR, take weeks to learn the setup, and then wear a hat (or other device) for gameplay,
b) Build their own tracking software, spending money for the materals, take weeks to learn the setup... and wear a hat (or other device) for gameplay,
c) Use a non-intuitive hatswitch+multi-key combination to get limited 45* views, or
d) Not adapt and fly at a disadvantage.
Many of us would laugh at thinking the above is complex (I personally run TrackIR and find it very easy to use), but for your average user, this is beyond ridiculous. And for what advantage? To say that "we're realistic"? The only functional limitation of cockpit-only views is shooting over the cowling and lead-turning someone at close range.
In real life, it's comparatively effortless to track another plane while flying, much more so than this game makes it.
Snap view is pretty effortless and intuitive if you know how to set up your Head Positions for Snap Views. I was watching some of your Dora flying videos this morning, and I think I can actually see behind and around the headrest better with the way I have snap views setup than you can with your TrackIR. The real problem is that the Head Positions for snap views aren't set up well for visibility by default, that is what should be fixed IMO. However, head position files can be downloaded and pasted directly to your Aces High controller. And if you want to use the same head positions for say, the entire Fw-190 family, you can just set head positions for one aircraft and then copy and rename the same hps file to give you the same views in the other AC.
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I have been trying out our main competitor as of late. The dreaded "Woe" Thunder.
On Realism mode it is sufficiently realistic to provide a challenge but not too over the top to scare off the middle ground. Kind of similar to AH2's current set up. But in regards to the OP I say he has made very good points.
The HTC crowd are the best small company in the world as far as I am concerned, no one beats their love and dedication to their passion and product. And their business model is second to none. The product itself however by its very nature is inaccessible to a huge chunk of the market.
All things considered, War Thunder while lacking the depth of AH2, is a fun, reasonably challenging, reasonably realistic game (at least after a million patches and a few flight model overhauls anyway), with alot of fast paced kill, boom, SPLOSIONS WOW YAY in there.
We need smaller maps, and that graphics patch. Those two things will bring numbers back. At least I hope so.
On full realism its way too hard due to no icons.
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...with alot of fast paced kill, boom, SPLOSIONS WOW YAY in there.
I hope that's not the direction AH is going :uhoh
The draw to AH for me is the realism and similarity to WWII. That's why I wish HiTech would use real terrains and make this a proper WWII game set in Europe, Russia, North Africa, and the South Pacific between those guys called the Allied and Axis powers.
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I hope that's not the direction AH is going :uhoh
The draw to AH for me is the realism and similarity to WWII. That's why I wish HiTech would use real terrains and make this a proper WWII game set in Europe, Russia, North Africa, and the South Pacific between those guys called the Allied and Axis powers.
Been an arena for that for quite some time. It's an option. Find like-minded players and populate it. I'd join ya. :aok
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Been an arena for that for quite some time. It's an option. Find like-minded players and populate it. I'd join ya. :aok
Other than FSO and Special Events I think it's just you and me, Arlo :lol. The next generation is gonna end up thinking WWII was actually fought between the Rooks, Bishops and Knights :rolleyes:
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Other than FSO and Special Events I think it's just you and me, Arlo :lol. The next generation is gonna end up thinking WWII was actually fought between the Rooks, Bishops and Knights :rolleyes:
This heavily relies on the next generation being AcesHigh players and not War Thunder or any other WW2 FPS, RTS etc... not too mention retarded.
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I know this post won't do any thing but make me feel better
To olds442,
I was not there, but looking at this thread and seeing how many times Skuzzy has had to invoke Rule #4 on your postings, I am going to surmise that you have a severe attitude problem. Morf has donated his time, experience, and knowledge to this community of players, can you say the same? Morf probably doesn't even remember me, but when I was brand new to this game, and very lost I might add, I went to the TA and asked if anyone could help. He was the first to step up and do so. After challenging me to study and to practice he took the time to teach me how to put it all together, and today I can hold my own. Thank You Morf from all of us!
Olds I pray we meet in the MA, and when your text buffer reads "Shot down by Doc4" remember that I use the tactics that you could have learned if you were more of a gentleman.
Doc4
<S> Morf
You're right, their is no reason to really bring this subject up again...
Anytime you want to go to the DA hit me up I fly under the name cutlass.
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Anytime you want to go to the DA hit me up I fly under the name cutlass.
Since you're a wicked good DA guy I'm sure we'll see you in the next dueling bracket tournament showing off your prowess.
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Since you're a wicked good DA guy I'm sure we'll see you in the next dueling bracket tournament showing off your prowess.
I never implied that I was "wicked good DA guy", you made that up from your imagenation. I simply said anytime he feels like he wants to duel to hit me up.
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This, I hate doing nothing while looking for a fight 2 sectors away then when I finally get there just for the fight to die or people to come in at 20k plus...
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Given you are heading to a fight "two sectors away"....maybe consider climbing up to 20K plus to engage on a more equal footing? If no one is up there when you reach the fight nothing prevents you from decending.
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Given you are heading to a fight "two sectors away"....maybe consider climbing up to 20K plus to engage on a more equal footing? If no one is up there when you reach the fight nothing prevents you from decending.
Don't attack rooks, then no one will come in on you from 20+K. :P
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Don't attack rooks, then no one will come in on you from 20+K. :P
ummmmmmmmmmm
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Don't attack rooks, then no one will come in on you from 20+K. :P
Some great fights happen at 20K the "air fights = 500ft or less" crowd totally miss.
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Some great fights happen at 20K the "air fights = 500ft or less" crowd totally miss.
You and Chalenge?
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You and Chalenge?
You see the occasional guy who will actually stay and fight at that alt. Probably less than a dozen of us or so in the arena at any given time though.
Wiley.
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You see the occasional guy who will actually stay and fight at that alt. Probably less than a dozen of us or so in the arena at any given time though.
Wiley.
Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic :D
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Snap view is pretty effortless and intuitive if you know how to set up your Head Positions for Snap Views. I was watching some of your Dora flying videos this morning, and I think I can actually see behind and around the headrest better with the way I have snap views setup than you can with your TrackIR. The real problem is that the Head Positions for snap views aren't set up well for visibility by default, that is what should be fixed IMO. However, head position files can be downloaded and pasted directly to your Aces High controller. And if you want to use the same head positions for say, the entire Fw-190 family, you can just set head positions for one aircraft and then copy and rename the same hps file to give you the same views in the other AC.
How about semi transparent frames on the canopy and a few inches into the seat back. This would mimic binocular vision. Real aircraft are very easy to see out of. and all you naysayers... once you get used to trac ir, it becomes very instinctive, the limitation of straight up views and rotating your head at that angle and the view shifting once in a while, is the only grief I get. I strap the transmitter to my headset, so wearing it isn't an issue. matter of fact,,, everyone flying should have a headset and use it!!!
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After reading your post, that almost sounds like it's admitting a problem.
Sort of like "We can't let the slaves be free, because they'll enjoy their freedom and never come back if we give it to them."
If relaxed-realism is where the market is going, then be assured: this game needs to go there to or it will die.
Directly to the point, relaxed-realism is better, both historically and in my personal opinion, for gaming purposes. There are so many non-realistic aspects of Aces High that even it fails to model actual WWII combat accurately. The few things that are modeled (that other games do not model) typically tend to make a very complicated mess out of something that's very easy to do in real life.
Example? Cockpit-only views.
The user either has to
a) Spend $100 for TrackIR, take weeks to learn the setup, and then wear a hat (or other device) for gameplay,
b) Build their own tracking software, spending money for the materals, take weeks to learn the setup... and wear a hat (or other device) for gameplay,
c) Use a non-intuitive hatswitch+multi-key combination to get limited 45* views, or
d) Not adapt and fly at a disadvantage.
Many of us would laugh at thinking the above is complex (I personally run TrackIR and find it very easy to use), but for your average user, this is beyond ridiculous. And for what advantage? To say that "we're realistic"? The only functional limitation of cockpit-only views is shooting over the cowling and lead-turning someone at close range.
In real life, it's comparatively effortless to track another plane while flying, much more so than this game makes it.
Giving players access to a full-forward view, combined with a padlock view (not the limited version we have now) makes the game that much more accessible to new players. So what if it's easy to shoot close range? Is it "realistic"? No, but it's no less realistic than Spitfires fighting Spitfires or 109K-4's getting 1-shot kills on a fighter at 200yds. And don't get me started on the chess-piece teams (which I believe damages attractiveness to prospective players, including myself at one time, greatly).
In the meantime, you've just lost multiple potential new subscribers.
And so on.
Full-realism rarely scales well in sims. Trying to limit players' access to a relaxed-realism arena, acknowledging that they wouldn't play with you given the option, is a very sad admission and a very self-defeating position to take.
well said
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The game was fine until someone stuck a Fork in it.
Now it's dead.
P.S. I was given permission to be a dick.
On line the other day, i called out to fork many times.... no answer at all, not even in text buffer. Hard to help anyone if they don't even answer up to you!!
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You and Chalenge?
You forgot Zoney.
I'd say Rumal and 2CMex, but one just runs away and the other is disqualified because Tempests don't count.
Don't worry, Bear. We know you are afraid of heights. :lol
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You forgot Zoney.
I'd say Rumal and 2CMex, but one just runs away and the other is disqualified because Tempests don't count.
Don't worry, Bear. We know you are afraid of heights. :lol
True, because I'm not a picktard like those mentioned.
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Aces High is rather unique among flight sims in how well you can see with snapviews once you get them properly adjusted. It is the only sim I've ever played where TrackIR *isn't* a large advantage. There isn't any real need for transparent canopy frames or the like to achieve a realistic level of aircraft tracking ability, much less a need for external views or padlock. It would probably be nice for noobs if the views came adjusted a little better by default however. I can post some screen shots this weekend to show what I mean.
How about semi transparent frames on the canopy and a few inches into the seat back. This would mimic binocular vision. Real aircraft are very easy to see out of. and all you naysayers... once you get used to trac ir, it becomes very instinctive, the limitation of straight up views and rotating your head at that angle and the view shifting once in a while, is the only grief I get. I strap the transmitter to my headset, so wearing it isn't an issue. matter of fact,,, everyone flying should have a headset and use it!!!
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Also, I have a method of using snap views that perhaps makes them more intuitive: On my joystick there is a center button directly under the hat switch. I set that to trigger my "Look directly up" view, and mash it with the heel of my thumb when I wish to look up. I have the hat set to my 8 way level views. When I need to "Look up+forward/forward left/left etc..." I mash the center button with the heel of my thumb and work the hat with my tip. This has been very intuitive and worked quite well since the beginning, I track effortlessly and scan without trouble.
Another possible method that seems to work well for some is to actually use the trigger button found on most sticks as the "look up" in combo with a hatswitch, reserving another button somewhere for gun firing.
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True, because I'm not a picktard like those mentioned.
I was speaking about co-E fights. But I suppose no one who flies about 2K does that. :rolleyes:
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I was speaking about co-E fights. But I suppose no one who flies about 2K does that. :rolleyes:
The people I've seen at those alts generally don't fight and when they get in trouble guess where they go? 2k, so I just avoid all the chasing. :lol
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The people I've seen at those alts generally don't fight and when they get in trouble guess where they go? 2k, so I just avoid all the chasing. :lol
True. Some do tho'
I find 12K about the best balance. I only typically go 20K if I'm hunting bombers...or Zoney. :D
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I wish we could start a fundraiser for AH advertising.
Hell, World of Tanks isn't even that good of a game (I have nearly 18K battles in WoT), but it has a fairly large playerbase. Why? Advertising (and it being free, but that's another topic).
Everywhere I go online I see WoT ads.
Take War Thunder for example. Advertising and eye candy. That's the key to this new generation of gamer....sadly.
I know I haven't played in a while (my computer died...still is, was homeless for a while, etc.), but I'd like to come back one day, when I can afford it.
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I wish we could start a fundraiser for AH advertising.
Hell, World of Tanks isn't even that good of a game (I have nearly 18K battles in WoT), but it has a fairly large playerbase. Why? Advertising (and it being free, but that's another topic).
Everywhere I go online I see WoT ads.
Take War Thunder for example. Advertising and eye candy. That's the key to this new generation of gamer....sadly.
I know I haven't played in a while (my computer died...still is, was homeless for a while, etc.), but I'd like to come back one day, when I can afford it.
If you are really a former Marine, message me your mailing address, and a check for $50 is on its way to you as a contribution to the "Get MarineUS back into the game" fund. :aok
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Before we record the time of death for this patient. Don't we need to see it's Lazarus act in person, then HTC's next move to tell the world about how the patient came back from the dead?
Unless you guys just enjoy beating corpses to get out your piety during the intermission before the second half.
Holy necroville..............
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Before we record the time of death for this patient. Don't we need to see it's Lazarus act in person, then HTC's next move to tell the world about how the patient came back from the dead?
Unless you guys just enjoy beating corpses to get out your piety during the intermission before the second half.
Holy necroville..............
System: Bustr has earned the achievement "Mixed Metaphor Experten"
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So what your are telling HT is, you game sucks and its going down the drain. Boy if I was HT, just cuz what's been going on the boards lately, I would pull the plug and tell you all to (BAN ME I DONT CARE) F off. How DARE you all to tell HT how to run his business. If you don't like what is going on the freking door is OPEN....USE IT we don't need or want you. Some freking NEWBIE here for a year and saying the game is done....HOW DARE YOU......leave, go away. Dang people now days just suck :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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So what your are telling HT is, you game sucks and its going down the drain. Boy if I was HT, just cuz what's been going on the boards lately, I would pull the plug and tell you all to (BAN ME I DONT CARE) F off. How DARE you all to tell HT how to run his business. If you don't like what is going on the freking door is OPEN....USE IT we don't need or want you. Some freking NEWBIE here for a year and saying the game is done....HOW DARE YOU......leave, go away. Dang people now days just suck :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Shh no more tears, only dreams.
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Shh no more tears, only dreams.
:rofl
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So what your are telling HT is, you game sucks and its going down the drain. Boy if I was HT, just cuz what's been going on the boards lately, I would pull the plug and tell you all to (BAN ME I DONT CARE) F off. How DARE you all to tell HT how to run his business. If you don't like what is going on the freking door is OPEN....USE IT we don't need or want you. Some freking NEWBIE here for a year and saying the game is done....HOW DARE YOU......leave, go away. Dang people now days just suck :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Besides the title of thread, it was informative to see thru the eyes of the newly recruited AH addict. :x Shifty was spot on about FSO. Try it a couple of Fridays and you will find it hard to remove the barbed hook. :rock
What I need to say about a thicker skin, applies to all of us, myself included. Just the other day I melted down and was screamin like a 2 year old :bhead (merely because after 10 years of playing I was not able to pull off the most simplest of maneuvers). :uhoh Having a bad day we all seem to at some point or another.
Some in my squad telling me to STFU or worst, is just simply saying "hello" :lol Those same wise arses, are the very ones coming to bail me out of bad situations or making me laugh, when real life has had its way with me.
I have a good feeling that you would do quite nicely flying with some of the trainers. No, the trainers in Aces High are not like pushing you around with training wheels on. It is more like they have stuff to make you do your homework.
Although, I am in a squad that mainly flies for Knights, PM me anytime you see me on and I will be more than willing to fly into trouble with a new bud. :cheers:
Then we can discuss over channel ideas on changes and such, because I believe the game can become much better with some tweaks, I just don't think it is a "do or die" situation. :pray And I will work with you on "Naming your thread properly" :P
I was witness to said "Meltdown" it was not pretty :old:
The "Horror" to use B2B's description :cry
LOLz Zack, I owe you both a check 6 next time I see you to let you know I am in SCREAMIN range so you can put the cotton in. :aok
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I was witness to said "Meltdown" it was not pretty :old:
The "Horror" to use B2B's description :cry
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Shh no more tears, only dreams.
You prove my point
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"Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to enjoy and have fun playing the game." -Skuzzy
seems to be one of my favorite quotes since he said it...... :salute
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You see the occasional guy who will actually stay and fight at that alt. Probably less than a dozen of us or so in the arena at any given time though.
Wiley.
I usually enter a fight at 20K only to watch 99.9% of the ponies and 190's go mach 1 diving for the deck. (the rest run)
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"Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to enjoy and have fun playing the game." -Skuzzy
seems to be one of my favorite quotes since he said it...... :salute
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This game is as fun today as when I first joined. There's nothing wrong with it. There is no right way or wrong way to play. RELAX. If you're not enjoying yourself then exercise your free will and hit the road Jack. Good luck finding a game that even comes close to the enjoyment I get from Aces High. :cheers:
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This game is as fun today as when I first joined. There's nothing wrong with it.
I very much disagree.
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This flight sim has become a game. :cry :cry :cry :cry
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This flight sim has become a game. :cry :cry :cry :cry
Pssssst... this had been a game from the start :noid
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I usually enter a fight at 20K only to watch 99.9% of the ponies and 190's go mach 1 diving for the deck. (the rest run)
But its fun with the ones who stay and fight. :)
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But its fun with the ones who stay and fight. :)
True dat! It's like a dog fight in slow motion. A ballet of sorts...
I usually lose because I just don't get enough practice.
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Pssssst... this had been a game from the start :noid
That's not what is advertised! :furious :noid
Flight Sim - Aces High
"Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war."
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It's a game that simulates combat.
......or use to :cry
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True dat! It's like a dog fight in slow motion. A ballet of sorts...
I usually lose because I just don't get enough practice.
Or because 4 or more AKs bait you out of having to fight
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It's a game that simulates WW2 combat.
......or use to :cry
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That's not what is advertised! :furious :noid
Flight Sim - Aces High
"Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war."
It's worse :cry
"Aces High takes the art and science of vintage WW1 and WW2 air combat and sets it in a high intensity online multiplayer environment. Hundreds of players simultaneously battle it out against each other in massive aerial dogfights and bomber raids."
"Find action 24 hours a day"
I just want to shoot GV's :frown:
:airplane: :joystick: :airplane:
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I have few hours for game this weekend , logged in few min ago, 3 PM ET, Friday and ....... Dang ! this boring large map; no fights, huge front line almost impossible to reset with this low # of players; "enjoy" it for next 6 days, IMO the maps should reset every 24-36 hours, won or not , refresh the game ; or bring some small fun maps in weekends,plz
This large maps and low # are killing the game; why 255 bases for 140 players ? :headscratch: :bhead
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I have to agree with ghi (except for the killing the game part; it is catching the flu quite regularly though).
By the way, I believe that map was reset... somehow. Checked in early this morning and an even more unpopular but much smaller map was up.
Spawn points, mountain ranges, number of fields, tank town bases, fleet maneuverability, etc. = a lot of things to keep in balance. Some maps do it better than others, but I wouldn't toss any of them.
Reducing the reset time to 24 to 36 hours does seem to be plenty of time to fly. It also, lessens the potential for an undermanned country being left out of the win the war race.
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:cheers: Chilli
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Aces High is rather unique among flight sims in how well you can see with snapviews once you get them properly adjusted. It is the only sim I've ever played where TrackIR *isn't* a large advantage. There isn't any real need for transparent canopy frames or the like to achieve a realistic level of aircraft tracking ability, much less a need for external views or padlock. It would probably be nice for noobs if the views came adjusted a little better by default however. I can post some screen shots this weekend to show what I mean.
i think you are a bit wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTv4y63JheY
semp
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For me, its how EVERYONE seems to congregate at 1 base. People used to be spread out with many fights going on across the map. Now most players consist of handholders with mob rules mentality, and the hotrods in temps, etc that pick the fights that do happen. Most of these types also seem to have the biggest mouths, confusing horsepower with talent.
FSO is still the best part of the game, that and going to the dueling arena and fighting friends. MA play for me usually means flying a couple flights, sighing, sitting in the tower staring at the screen and logging out. It used to be alot of fun. The wrong people influenced the current crop of flyers, who think it means something to stay alive, and never taking chances. Some of the most memorable flights ive had over the years were getting into a mess I shouldnt have gotten into, and winning.
Take chances, die alot, learn from it (no..not, "Next time I'll stay high and fast and wait till the guy gets bored and fights someone else so I can pick him") learn how to make the plane fight the other guys fight and still win. Be humble, this really is'nt worth strutting around with your leatherflight jacket with squad emblems thinking you are a war hero. Its a silly addictive game, that is fine by itself. The players on the other hand...
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For me, its how EVERYONE seems to congregate at 1 base. People used to be spread out with many fights going on across the map. Now most players consist of handholders with mob rules mentality, and the hotrods in temps, etc that pick the fights that do happen. Most of these types also seem to have the biggest mouths, confusing horsepower with talent.
FSO is still the best part of the game, that and going to the dueling arena and fighting friends. MA play for me usually means flying a couple flights, sighing, sitting in the tower staring at the screen and logging out. It used to be alot of fun. The wrong people influenced the current crop of flyers, who think it means something to stay alive, and never taking chances. Some of the most memorable flights ive had over the years were getting into a mess I shouldnt have gotten into, and winning.
Take chances, die alot, learn from it (no..not, "Next time I'll stay high and fast and wait till the guy gets bored and fights someone else so I can pick him") learn how to make the plane fight the other guys fight and still win. Be humble, this really is'nt worth strutting around with your leatherflight jacket with squad emblems thinking you are a war hero. Its a silly addictive game, that is fine by itself. The players on the other hand...
For sure there are still some lame milk runners who pick a remote field because they like to fight against auto-ack instead of human players.
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For sure there are still some lame milk runners who pick a remote field because they like to fight against auto-ack instead of human players.
The game is HUGE. There are so many different ways of playing and enjoying it. The problem is, that the numbers do not support this kind of freedom most of the time. Anyhow, this is what I have noticed.
Nearly 40 players per side :rock Look at map to find the best looking dar bar and :headscratch: there isn't any. Time to play is limited, so you launch with ordinance to egg something that might provide a good opening to either start a good fight or advance a base capture. You make some progress and someone else joins in the effort :cheers: 25 minutes have passed and troops are the only thing between a successful base capture or simply another "milkrun against auto ack". You ask for troops :salute only to see the country text buffer loaded with 2 other requests for troops at 2 other fields, mixed in with a few alerts for friendly fields about to be taken. :mad: You decide you have just enough time to land (instead of bail) and bring troops to the maproom for the capture :bolt: Arrive at town with the willing drunks in tow and notice the ack shooting, town buildings popping up and enemy M3 parked on the edge of town :eek:
Points to be made: Radar seems less and less capable of determining defensive strategy. There is no binding to role play that guides players to form lines against opposing forces, or even form alliances with other countrymen. Base defense has become point and click easy.
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I have few hours for game this weekend , logged in few min ago, 3 PM ET, Friday and ....... Dang ! this boring large map; no fights, huge front line almost impossible to reset with this low # of players; "enjoy" it for next 6 days, IMO the maps should reset every 24-36 hours, won or not , refresh the game ; or bring some small fun maps in weekends,plz
This large maps and low # are killing the game; why 255 bases for 140 players ? :headscratch: :bhead
(http://i.imgur.com/x9rOQdcl.jpg)
You should see maps like that around 1-6AM EST. About 10 people online. It's terrible! :cry :eek:
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You should see maps like that around 1-6AM EST. About 10 people online. It's terrible! :cry :eek:
That's serious stuff. I'd resubscribe if it made a difference but the problem is that HTC needs more active players instead of subscriptions in order to grow back to what it was.
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For me, its how EVERYONE seems to congregate at 1 base. People used to be spread out with many fights going on across the map. Now most players consist of handholders with mob rules mentality
I really really wished the things you describe would be actually true. That would bring back my enjoyment at offpeak times to a satisfactory level.
Unfortunately, when a huge map like ozkansas is up, all the 15-100 players online during my timezone usually are spread all over the map, with darbar rarely indicating more than 1-2 enemy cons in a sector at all.
These days I am forced to stay up until US prime (late night/early morning here) to find the kind of massive multiplayer combat environment that I subscribed to in late 2005. I guess the "game is still fine, I see no difference" folks are flying in US prime and never happen to look at a map with literally 8 times more bases than players.
I was one of the most vocal proponents bringing back the huge maps after the arena split, and compello is still my most favorite terrain of them all. But I really want HT to take them out of rotation until numbers justify their inclusion again.
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Yesterday I logged on and we had the Beta map. A small map on a Saturday..... going to be crowded. Take a quick look at the country situation and Bish need one more Knight base and 2 more Rook base. OK, this isn't going to last long, hardly any dar on either front....most people are in tanks I guess.... Bish are in the tower trying to figure out how to NOE through the valley to get those last few bases :devil
I up a Tu2 figure I'll work on a couple achievements. 6 runs later, nothing has changed. I have run back and forth across the same 3 bases (2 V bases, 1 Small Airfield) dropping ammo, fuel, and radar. 4 hours down, I've been attacked twice at 15k, but hey! I have 3 new achievements!
I did get a couple fighter runs in, had a great fight my mossie vs Kvuo75's P47-11 a real knock down drag out fight, but that was it. Rook numbers finally started to grow and we took the bases we needed for the win. New map, nothing better. Rooks horde up in the north against minimal resistance, Knights and Bish fighting on their front. I make a couple more buff runs and get two more achievements. Still no fights, I log for the night.
Sure I could have upped a pony and chased a single con here or there but I would rather have a few battles going on that I could join in either defensively or offensively. Sure doesn't seem like it was in the old days..... when I was almost never in a buff. :(
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Would it be wrong to disable flight at bases within a varyingly large contiguous part (starting at periphery?) of bigger maps, the way the planeset is gradually ENY-limited proportionately to country balance? Or was that tried already? It kinda seems familiar.
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:aok moot making suggestions that could actually help. No, they have never suspended flight from any base in MA. Other arenas have done so. Limiting active hangars to frontline bases (allowing for bombers only a reasonable number of sectors away) would do what it does any other arenas, guide the action. In addition, high altitude combat would be dialed back a good deal.
It would present some challenges that are not readily foreseen, like defense from fleet attacks, and HQ defense. But focusing :O attention would generally be a good thing in my opinion. You could still do all the types of things that you currently do. Those tasks would just have a bit more risk involved. +1
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The new release Hitech is working on will probably address much of this. But, I added into a wish months ago that off prime time late night, bases be shut down except for a 10x10 in the center of the map. Since Waffle was talking about the new fields and how the town would be spilt out into villages along active roads. You can see this on the front page in the new teaser film about Hitech's progress. He mentioned something about focusing terrain detail to something like 4x4 miles. Most of our base capture action takes place in a relatively small area while we fly time consuming distances to get there.
Yesterday's tiny map was perfect to force everyone together to fight. The teaser film showed a much expanded airfield with roads and villages lining them leading to the airfield. Nothing stood out from the area the film focused on to indicate what you would capture though. I wonder if the capture mechanics will be changed in the next version. So, Hitech did agree with some misgivings in a non binding manner from a disgruntled player about some things needed changing. Non binding = no specifics admitted to but, an agreement of a need for change. That is quite an admission from our master of mum.
Hitech is keeping the specific changes to the game from us. Probably a good strategy, since many here would spend forum pages ad infinitum nit picking them to death because they don't like them. Or aren't the ones they wished for, or they are so angry at Hitech and the game now, they only gain enjoyment by trying to kill the game in these forums.
I wish Waffle was able to preview more about the direction the new release is taking from the previous brain storming session he posted. It's silly to beat this version of the game to death when soon it will no longer be relevant. The real danger from these posts, is everyone has been indulged and allowed to trash the game with their collective years of unhappiness. There is a good danger they have poisoned themselves against anything Hitech could ever change. Unhappiness is a self fulfilling prophecy and a powerful group disease.
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It's silly to beat this version of the game to death when soon it will no longer be relevant. The real danger from these posts, is everyone has been indulged and allowed to trash the game with their collective years of unhappiness. There is a good danger they have poisoned themselves against anything Hitech could ever change. Unhappiness is a self fulfilling prophecy and a powerful group disease.
Maybe your best post ever, Bustr. Well said.
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Unhappiness is a self fulfilling prophecy and a powerful group disease.
Yes, god forbid we voice our displeasure with the game that we pay money for. :rolleyes:
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Maybe your best post ever, Bustr. Well said.
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Buster we have not designed any field layout at this time
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I like the distance between bases. And wouldn't mind seeing more space between bases.
If you can catch somone in these spaces they are forced to fight!!
No ack to run to, or meat grinder of aircraft taking off to come get you.
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Things have always Changed in this game thats why I've been here this long. :aok
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Buster we have not designed any field layout at this time
Ratz, I liked what I saw from the film. More immersive value for air and GV fans. Still, what promise from just your proof of concept Hitech. :salute
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I like the distance between bases. And wouldn't mind seeing more space between bases.
More space between bases = higher altitude fights
I am of the opposite opinion, the less space between bases, the more lively the fights become.
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More space between bases = higher altitude fights
I am of the opposite opinion, the less space between bases, the more lively the fights become.
+1
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I really really wished the things you describe would be actually true. That would bring back my enjoyment at offpeak times to a satisfactory level.
Unfortunately, when a huge map like ozkansas is up, all the 15-100 players online during my timezone usually are spread all over the map, with darbar rarely indicating more than 1-2 enemy cons in a sector at all.
That is my experience also at far-off-peak hours. Peak times -- things are fine and great. Far off peak, well . . . I think we need smaller play area at those times.
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I like the distance between bases. And wouldn't mind seeing more space between bases.
If you can catch somone in these spaces they are forced to fight!!
No ack to run to, or meat grinder of aircraft taking off to come get you.
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Do I recall correctly back when there were two Mains that at off peak times a different map was switched to?
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Do I recall correctly back when there were two Mains that at off peak times a different map was switched to?
The main arena used to shut down and reboot as two arenas when player numbers went past 500 or so. I hated that 'feature' infinitely.
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The main arena used to shut down and reboot as two arenas when player numbers went past 500 or so. I hated that 'feature' infinitely.
Aha! But it was / is possible to have a separate on / off peak time arena? The state of the inactive one being saved I assume?
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Aha! But it was / is possible to have a separate on / off peak time arena? The state of the inactive one being saved I assume?
I don't recall how it went because I usually just logged off for the day when I got kicked from the server. This usually happened around 00:30 my timezone and it took closer to an hour for the fight to resume properly in the arenas. Wasn't worth the wait at night time.
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I am of the opposite opinion, the less space between bases, the more lively the fights become.
Agreed. Current distance between MA bases is too great, IMHO. You spend more time getting to the fight than you spend fighting.
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Agreed. Current distance between MA bases is too great, IMHO. You spend more time getting to the fight than you spend fighting.
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Yep think of CV fights theres always a big buzz.
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Danny76, you have made some very insightful remarks.
Yes I agree, I seem contradictory on some things. Let me say, new pilots are not thrown into F22's! First is ground school then a variety of training aircraft. I do not like the automatic takeoff, but I use it to simplify the game, when, frankly i'm in a hurry or when things don't matter. The base getting strafed? Believe me, I yank that stick and do the flaps and gears myself! But I've only just learned that in that last couple of days.
Nothing is more tedious than landing B17 after an hour's long raid when the wife is yelling at me to come to dinner! On those days I could use an automatic landing feature. On others? I land my OWN plane thank you! I may not know how to dogfight but I can land my p38 on fire dangit! (and I have , many times, lol)
So you see, FOR NEWBIES, simplicity matters, let them achieve the lvl of game play complexity THEY want, after they've learned to keep the dang plane lvl etc etc. Two weeks is simply not enough time to learn the game, play it well, AND have fun at the same time. People will not subscribe if the FIRSt impression is lousy. I'm asking that the newbies be given some simplicity, that's all. Later they can get as complex as they like. AH needs like a basic game and a more advanced one, perhaps a basic arena where it's just about spawning mid air fights, and a more complex one where EVERYTHING is a real as it gets.
Talk about dumbing a game down with auto land and spawn inflight, that's when I quit. Most long time players in this game do help new people but they also get tired of answering the same questions over and over that have answers available online. Most newbies try to jump right into the MA without ever spending time in the TA or offline practicing. Also you comment "game is dead unless things change" you have played for a few weeks how would you know that? :rolleyes:
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Yep think of CV fights theres always a big buzz.
Exactly, CV fights is where this game shines... except for the fun killers:
5" proximity fuse shells
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Sunken boat
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The main arena used to shut down and reboot as two arenas when player numbers went past 500 or so. I hated that 'feature' infinitely.
at noon central the main arena would lock and the alternate blue arena would come up. the main orange arena would remain locked until it was populated over 100 people or so. this locking of arenas is what upset most people.