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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: humble on December 04, 2008, 09:24:00 PM
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What a joke, when the MWA reaches a point that its tardlets in bunches its time to evaluate where the game is going. My 90 day clock is on, fas as I can see we're reaching the point that its devolved to a total waste of time.
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AvA snaphook. I went in there tonight and it was like a breath of fresh air. :salute
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Just look for some of the less "tardlet" pilots is all. :D
If ya find my SBD, or squaddies A6M, we will show ya some of us still have a fight in us. There are a few good pilots still in MW, just got to look a little bit is all. Course even if we wanted to run, hard to do so in our planes. :)
No get back out there, and get away from the "tardlets".
:salute
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AvA snaphook. I went in there tonight and it was like a breath of fresh air. :salute
Is it mostly Japanese crates V US Navy? or do they have some 109 action? Starting to get fed up with the ho-split s- dive to ack- rinse and repeat action by 16's, ponies etc in the MA
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What a joke, when the MWA reaches a point that its tardlets in bunches its time to evaluate where the game is going. My 90 day clock is on, fas as I can see we're reaching the point that its devolved to a total waste of time.
Yup... though I'm finding the boards are barely holding my interest now either.
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probably shouldn't be posting this because I'm breaking my "don't post when angry" policy for the second time this week but the state the game seems to have been reduced to a new all time low. MW used to be a bit of a refuge from the crap I get bombarded with in the LW but now that to seems to be going down hill as well.
Guess I'll give the 'ol AvA another go.
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What a joke, when the MWA reaches a point that its tardlets in bunches its time to evaluate where the game is going. My 90 day clock is on, fas as I can see we're reaching the point that its devolved to a total waste of time.
You know what.... If you really enjoy the game, in its purest form, you should continue to fly in less populated arenas. Teach those who are like minded. Occaisionally take your students into the MA to cleanse an area of the map.
Honestly, I'm not a very good pilot... But I really do have a great deal of respect for folks like Snaphook.
It is possible for small numbers of folks to alter the gameplay, but it must be done in a positive/motivating way...
What if there was a Squadron who appeared randomly on various countries... Sometimes Bish, sometimes Knit, sometimes Rook... When they appear, they sweep the skies. Without the insults and ego stroking...
The kind of squad that any would be fighter jock would wish to join...
Honestly, I think that the overall gameplay could be affected by the more experienced vets, if they decided to moderate the whole ego thing and strive for a more pure goal...
But, it'll never happen... Sigh...
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I think the problem becomes that it's a minority of players who are looking for ACM and the majority are looking for the quick kill, get your attaboy's, perks or whatever. And there is a large crew that is content to 'win the war' whatever it takes.
How the game defines visible success doesn't promote the 'knights of the air' notion of air combat. Landing multiple kills is 'rewarded' with the kills landed message. WTG! follows. It seems like I remember AW said who killed who. When you'd see "RAGS killed 2357400" for the 35th time in 10 minutes you didn't think WTG!, you thought, oh, that's just RAGS vulching in the VoD again because he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag, but he wants to be the top of the scoring list.
It meant nothing, and was looked down upon. Think about the guys gaming the game for score now. Would they have done it if their names had been in lights with the guy they shot down 60 times in a row or would they have stopped so not to be seen?
I'm sure it's just my nostalgia, but the 'downhill' trend for me goes back to those Airwarrior days when they switched it from limited base capture, to anything goes. When you knew you could only go so far on capturing bases and that the counter attack was coming no matter what to get it back, it kept the fights in a more limited location. It also allowed for areas where you could up and meet guys halfway because there was no base to take down. Now, if a good fight gets going, more often then not someone will deliberately grief it and kill the hangers to kill the fight.
There were certainly pickers, and vulchers then too, but they had their own spots to do their thing as well.
And yeah I know it's just nostalgia, but I miss those days when the nights in AH go bad.
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You know what.... If you really enjoy the game, in its purest form, you should continue to fly in less populated arenas. Teach those who are like minded. Occaisionally take your students into the MA to cleanse an area of the map.
Honestly, I'm not a very good pilot... But I really do have a great deal of respect for folks like Snaphook.
It is possible for small numbers of folks to alter the gameplay, but it must be done in a positive/motivating way...
What if there was a Squadron who appeared randomly on various countries... Sometimes Bish, sometimes Knit, sometimes Rook... When they appear, they sweep the skies. Without the insults and ego stroking...
The kind of squad that any would be fighter jock would wish to join...
Honestly, I think that the overall gameplay could be affected by the more experienced vets, if they decided to moderate the whole ego thing and strive for a more pure goal...
But, it'll never happen... Sigh...
I would argue that there are those squadrons. I'd like to think mine is one of them. There are others as well. There are two results of what you are asking for, at least from my perspective as I saw it last night. First is the fight is good but once guys start dying, more and more show up, and they are less and less likely to engage unless they have numbers. There were 4-5 of us up last night and we had some good fights going, but even some of the guys on the other side would admit it became a mob. Then someone killed the hangers at the field we were flying from.
The other outcome was also experienced last night. 4-5 of us cleaned up even though they started with alt and E. They quit coming up.
And I'm hard pressed to believe any of the guys I fly with could give a damn about their ego's getting stroked. As near as I can tell, it's all about having fun and a good fight.
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After I took my break I told myself I would find a little corner of AH to enjoy and keep my mouth shut.
Well, all I found was an arena increasingly loaded with sticks that have one eye on the gunsight and the other on the score card. The newest crop of vets are those that can land multiple kills over and over again without regard of how they are obtained. Gone are the vets that would happily dive into a mess of enemy planes and still <salute> those that ganged them to death.
I'm definitely not as gracious as the latter type, but I'm closer to that than a score monkey.
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That would make us a lil bit more like WarBirds though Guppy. I would like to implement what they had in AW which made it nearly impossible to HO...
After I took my break I told myself I would find a little corner of AH to enjoy and keep my mouth shut.
Well, all I found was an arena increasingly loaded with sticks that have one eye on the gunsight and the other on the score card. The newest crop of vets are those that can land multiple kills over and over again without regard of how they are obtained. Gone are the vets that would happily dive into a mess of enemy planes and still <salute> those that ganged them to death.
I'm definitely not as gracious as the latter type, but I'm closer to that than a score monkey.
It's a phase, it'll go back to normal at some point.
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I think the problem becomes that it's a minority of players who are looking for ACM and the majority are looking for the quick kill,
I think that to some degree you are right... But, I also think that those who think that it is "easy" to get real training are greatly deluded. As much respect that I have for the training corps, I can only say that I have been repeatedly disppointed by them. It isn't their fault really. There aren't enough of them to meet even the demand that we currently have, god forbid there would be a mass rush of folks wanting to learn more advanced ACM.
There simply isn't an adequate system to provide training.
Too few trainers who are all forced to dilute their focus to the most basic of basics.
I, in the not so distant past, sent an e-mail requesting training time to EVERY trainer in the list. I was only contacted by two trainers... Murdr, who most graciously spent more than an hour with me covering some basic concepts, for which I will be forever appreciative of, and another trainer (whom I won't name) who contacted me 3 weeks after I sent the e-mail and never contacted me again after I responsded to him asking for additional training.
I find myself, even now. in a situation where I crave training on a more advanced level, but really don't know where to find it. Do I dare ask somebody here on the BBS to take me under their wing? Honestly, there aren't very many folks on the BBS whom I even LIKE, too many ego toting butt wads...
Well, I guess I'm just trying to say that you guys who really long for the days of the more pure fights really need to take the responsibility upon yourselves. Quit simply blaming the squeekers or whatever. Any downgrade of playstyle originated on YOUR watch. Start teaching the skills more openly, there really is enough people interested in the ACM to make a difference in the long run, if you choose to help us.
/ramble off
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I think that to some degree you are right... But, I also think that those who think that it is "easy" to get real training are greatly deluded. As much respect that I have for the training corps, I can only say that I have been repeatedly disppointed by them. It isn't their fault really. There aren't enough of them to meet even the demand that we currently have, god forbid there would be a mass rush of folks wanting to learn more advanced ACM.
There simply isn't an adequate system to provide training.
Too few trainers who are all forced to dilute their focus to the most basic of basics.
I, in the not so distant past, sent an e-mail requesting training time to EVERY trainer in the list. I was only contacted by two trainers... Murdr, who most graciously spent more than an hour with me covering some basic concepts, for which I will be forever appreciative of, and another trainer (whom I won't name) who contacted me 3 weeks after I sent the e-mail and never contacted me again after I responsded to him asking for additional training.
I find myself, even now. in a situation where I crave training on a more advanced level, but really don't know where to find it. Do I dare ask somebody here on the BBS to take me under their wing? Honestly, there aren't very many folks on the BBS whom I even LIKE, too many ego toting butt wads...
Well, I guess I'm just trying to say that you guys who really long for the days of the more pure fights really need to take the responsibility upon yourselves. Quit simply blaming the squeekers or whatever. Any downgrade of playstyle originated on YOUR watch. Start teaching the skills more openly, there really is enough people interested in the ACM to make a difference in the long run, if you choose to help us.
/ramble off
you nailed it bud. I've actually gotten help from others. You just gotta find someone who can easily whup you, and ask him to DA to teach you some stuff. My first "trainer" was AirFool. He taught me about 70% of all that I know until now. After Rolex helped me and I learned a few things myself, I was about even with my trainer.
I learned you gotta find someone willing to work with you any time, who can help. Who is better than you.
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There simply isn't an adequate system to provide training.
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Do I dare ask somebody here on the BBS to take me under their wing? Honestly, there aren't very many folks on the BBS whom I even LIKE, too many ego toting butt wads...
Those two comments have echoed some of my sentiments.
I do wish you would be more understanding in regards to the Trainers on AH. They are stretched thin, are all volunteers, and are really trying.
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I would argue that there are those squadrons. I'd like to think mine is one of them.
Really? I don't think so. From my perspective the whole SAPP thing is more a close knit club thing that excludes more then includes. For god's sake, just take a close look at how SAPP folks participate in the in game and BBS community.
If you can't see the elitist over tones, I don't know what I can say...
Honestly, you are one of the most positive posters in the BBS... I actually miss the "in character" Corky Jr stories...
I guess my question is, how does your group choose players to train? How many have you trained in the past 6 months? Are you really trying to propagate a community interested in the mechanics of air combat?
What about other squads?
How many squads are really interested in teaching ACM?
Rolling Thunder (my squad) has recently started using Titanic Tuesdays as training days, covering various topics, how many over squads are doing this?
Guess I am just a bit sick of reading how crappy the game play is these days, when there are so very few people interested in really improving it....
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Well, I guess I'm just trying to say that you guys who really long for the days of the more pure fights really need to take the responsibility upon yourselves. Quit simply blaming the squeekers or whatever. Any downgrade of playstyle originated on YOUR watch. Start teaching the skills more openly, there really is enough people interested in the ACM to make a difference in the long run, if you choose to help us.
/ramble off
I can only speak for the folks I know but just about every last one of them has helped anyone who has asked for help. The whole idea behind SAPP was to get the 38 guys together and share the wealth. Anyone that has asked about the 38 I think has gotten someone to either teach him or wing with him. Because I'm a 38 junkie I can speak to that. I'm sure that there are guys flying other birds that do the same.
The trainers seem to have times where they are in the TA. Widewing I know offers help all the time. Look at the guys on the BBS offering. Ask in the MA's. What's the worst that can happen. They say no?
Speaking for myself, I'd be a lousy teacher as it's all instinct and generally poor instinct at that. Folks start talking about this move or that, and I'm lost faster then my 38G loses parts. I learn by diving in and having at it. Some things work, some don't. Taking a chance in the fight can often be the best teacher. That's the joy of not really dying.
I guess I'm defending the vets, because I see many of us who have put a lot of time and energy into trying to make the game better. I'm not sure what else you want us to do?
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Think what I'll do from now on is announce on 200 etc if anyone is loooking for a fight, that way some more folks might want to turn up and we could have a little corner without the gangers and hoers etc, I honestly don't know how else to come accross some like minded people in the arenas. Had a great fight with Cactus and that was a one off as we just happened to meet, so if anyone has any ideas on how to get some fights going and make AH fun again then I'm all ears.
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I guess my question is, how does your group choose players to train? How many have you trained in the past 6 months? Are you really trying to propagate a community interested in the mechanics of air combat?
I've taken quite a few people to the DA/TA and worked with them and I've taken on several students in the past. Heck, after a squad furball in the DA I helped 2 new guys and that was just this past Sunday. All people have to do is ask, however I will only take one person on at a time.
Have I dropped the ball? Yes, I had taken Serenity under my wing but my life suddenly got difficult and busy (new wife, new house, new child) and I had to abandon him. I feel guilty about it and I feel even more guilty because by the time I realized I dropped the ball I hadn't even told him.
I feel no matter what I do it is a drop in the bucket and it really doesn't make a difference. More so when I see ex students of mine back in Spit16s or Nikis, it is frustrating. I can only imagine the really good sticks (which I am not) spending lots of their free time only to be ho'd by one of their former students.
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Really? I don't think so. From my perspective the whole SAPP thing is more a close knit club thing that excludes more then includes. For god's sake, just take a close look at how SAPP folks participate in the in game and BBS community.
If you can't see the elitist over tones, I don't know what I can say...
Honestly, you are one of the most positive posters in the BBS... I actually miss the "in character" Corky Jr stories...
I guess my question is, how does your group choose players to train? How many have you trained in the past 6 months? Are you really trying to propagate a community interested in the mechanics of air combat?
If that's the perception you've gotten of SAPP, then my posting isn't very good. The entire "secret' part was the joke. It's no secret. Anyone that's asked has been more then welcome to fly. Short of begging guys to get into 38s, I'm not sure what else to do with it.
It isn't about choosing anyone. I'm not a recruiter. But trying to present it as about fun, and poking fun at ourselves and our augering 38s is meant to show that this isn't that serious. I wish I could tell you how many PMs I've gotten regarding SAPP. And that's just me, not everyone. I've never turned anyone down if they are wanting to learn the 38. Not once, and there have been many.
38 drivers are the un-elite :)
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idk... a lot of people like to compare their fights to 1 v 1s. I personally like 2 v 1s better. They last longer and I learn more from it.
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(which I am not) spending lots of their free time only to be ho'd by one of their former students.
lies! :P
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From my perspective the whole SAPP thing is more a close knit club thing that excludes more then includes. For god's sake, just take a close look at how SAPP folks participate in the in game and BBS community.
SAPP is almost always on channel 138, come and say hello. On an active night, we'll have 80th, 475th, 39th, Muppets, (to a lesser extent) JG11, and a few guests on. SAPP has never denied admission to anyone and only one member was ever kicked and that was a short term solution to someone invoking the name of the club in heated tones over 200.
Many of our SAPP members have moved onto flying other aircraft but remain on the roster. It is more of a fellowship than some elite society. We don't take it seriously enough to be elite about anything...
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The entire "secret' part was the joke. It's no secret. Anyone that's asked has been more then welcome to fly.
Corky beat me to it...
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I do wish you would be more understanding in regards to the Trainers on AH. They are stretched thin, are all volunteers, and are really trying.
Oh I hope I didn't cast an aspersion on the AH Trainers. That really wasn't my intent. But to read these BBS posts, the answer to EVRY NOOBS problems is the Trainers, either by reading or contacting the trainers.
It simply isn't true. In fact, it's an enormous load of horse hockey.
Careful reading will take you so far. More so if you have some previous aviation background (where I find myself). Time with AH trainers is invaluable. I got quite a bit from my time with Murdr, but even so, much of the time was wasted with concepts which I already understood.
In game, I joined a squad who...
1) I had been in contact with in game, ie joined missions etc.
2) Seemed to care how I performed. Falcon23 was the first person to actually explain ANYTHING about the capture mechanics to me in game. It really meant a lot to me when he took the time to PM back and forth about what was needed from a mision stand point.
3) Accepted me, even though I clearly didnt know much. The community aspect was key to me at this juncture...
I was looking for friends to play the game with.
More recently, I am seeing RT starting to focus more on the ACM aspects of the game, and especially wingman tactics... I'm absolutely pumped by this....
That said, I wonder what is happening to players in the last 6 months who didn't hook up with established squads? Have they mostly quit the game already? I'll bet they have...
Maybe HTC should put more effort into training... It might cost a few dollars to do it right, but I'll bet it can pay itself off multi-fold.
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If that's the perception you've gotten of SAPP, then my posting isn't very good. The entire "secret' part was the joke.
It is the perception that you generate. I've been around for awhile, not long enough to be one of the leet BBS guys, but I'm really not an online flight sim noob... I've always known that the SAPP conspiracy was a joke, but I also have never known anyone who has been trained by SAPP from basic skills since I have started playing... I'm fairly certain that you don't intend it to be the way that it is, but you know what, it is what it is....
I just wish the major squadrons would REALLY take an interest in teaching ACM and tactics... Imagine if all the big squads would start to teach such things... I'm sure that the game play would improve...
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I'm still waiting for someone to come up with an Idea of getting good fights going again, Not too concerned about how certain squads are allegedlly perceived,But more in trying to make AH fun again, How about getting rid of the scoring system? Or maybe get rid of the name in lights after landing?
I don't know about anyone else, but it's the same standard format that I have the misfortune to find.
1. find a con coalt or higher
2. Con tries a HO
3 HO fails
4. con dives to ack or to friendlies
5. Con also extends to friendlies then reverses when he has numbers.
6. gangs of 16's or other low eny crates pouncing one guy on his own, usually finished of by a HO
7. picked off by a perk ride or a low eny crate while already engaged in somewhat of a 1v1.
8. Usually after a few hours you finally meet someone similar and have a good fight.
9. Never see the person again
10. Back to #1
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SAPP is almost always on channel 138, come and say hello. On an active night, we'll have 80th, 475th, 39th, Muppets, (to a lesser extent) JG11, and a few guests on. SAPP has never denied admission to anyone and only one member was ever kicked and that was a short term solution to someone invoking the name of the club in heated tones over 200.
First time I have EVER heard such an invite on this BBS (you might consider my first post date and post count when weighing what I am saying)...
I might suggest that the ideals that you aspire to have long been lost in reality. I can say that I have been around AH for roughly 9 months or so and have NEVER EVER felt welcome on your channel, and can't even say that I have felt welcome when contacting the Trainers.
Honestly, if you want to change the way the game is being played, you more experienced folks are key... Quit whining and start teaching.
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Pfactor, check out this thread.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,241769.0.html
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I can only speak for the folks I know but just about every last one of them has helped anyone who has asked for help.
That really isn't good enough if SAPP members are going to complain about the level of gameplay or about the ACM habits of other players.... Perhaps you should reevalute the folks that you know in an effort to influence the game play...
I'm not saying that your friends havent been any help, but I think that I can pretty confidently say that I (in the last 9 months) haven't seen ANY group that is a significant help to the NEW community... Sorry, but that includes the Trainers...
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First time I have EVER heard such an invite on this BBS (you might consider my first post date and post count when weighing what I am saying)...
I might suggest that the ideals that you aspire to have long been lost in reality. I can say that I have been around AH for roughly 9 months or so and have NEVER EVER felt welcome on your channel, and can't even say that I have felt welcome when contacting the Trainers.
Honestly, if you want to change the way the game is being played, you more experienced folks are key... Quit whining and start teaching.
I don't ever recall you asking. I don't ever recall a PM, you showing up on channel etc.
So quit blaming us, and we'll look forward to you showing up in a 38 on 138
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Pfactor, check out this thread.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,241769.0.html
I read that thread when it was originally posted, I seem to recall it degenrating into a "you suck" thread pretty darn quickly... What's a new guy to think? Thread starts with an offer to help, then within a few posts it is nothing more then character assasination...
That thread was a solution for nothing...
Don't get me wrong, I really respect the guys who are trying, but I really don't think an adequate effort has been put forth by HTC to train the community. Get me going on this subject at your own risk.... :)
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OK Dave, it appears we'll have to start with you :)
check your PMs
I`hope you like 38s
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OK Dave, it appears we'll have to start with you :)
check your PMs
I`hope you like 38s
Check your PMs, I think you have missed the point. So many people complain about how the game is played by new guys, but then expect the new guys to seek out the "proper" training without any real guidance on what the "right" training is... I'll look you guys up when I want to learn 38s, I'm sure it'll happen eventually. Until then, I suggest you advertise a bit more, it's a shame that it took my plaintive post to get an invite. You should police your members a bit more as well, there are some wearing your SAPP badge who actively discourage new players.
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FWIW (and bear in mind this is only my opinion/experience) - I've been welcomed on 138 a couple of times - I'll admit I'm one of the worst (if not the worst) flyers in game, my shooting is terrible most nights etc etc.
I've flown with Silat a couple of times, with woozer, pawz and others all on 138 and had a right laugh every single time. There are sticks in the 38 that make me dizzy trying to fight them, yet I've not been given hard times or taunts or anything - only encouragement.
Whilst there are things that the Vets can improve ingame, to put the emphasis on them, or say that the trainers make you feel anything but welcome, is (again, imo) incorrect.
Obviously, we all have different perspectives and experiences - helping the newer players along though should be for all of us to do (even me). Where we draw the line at helping should depend on individual skills, and individual experiences etc - even I can tell someone how to fire secondary weapons, drop landing gear etc - and all without resorting to alt f4 jokes.
ymmv,
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Wurzel
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:lol S.A.P.P. hijacked the thread. The true 38 sticks in this game are a different breed of fellows in the game. I can't think of one that has showed poor sportsmanship, win or lose. As a collective group they are by far the best sticks in the game, in skill, respect and self discipline. Enough about that.
As for snaphook, he hasn't seemed happy about the game for awhile now, judging from his posts in the last couple of tours. I guess he's having problems finding a good 1vs1? He never explained in the OP except to say he was tired of "tardlets".The game will always have it's share of tardlets, as I'm sure even AW had it's share.
I never looked at MW to be that good of a arena anyhow. To me it's just another milking arena. And if you disrupt that you'll find yourself fighting a whole squad alone. For the most part the MW and EW theaters are populated by fellas that want a single digit ranking with as little effort as possible.
This is why i suggest the AvA arena. No point mungers in there from what I could see. Hell, I was in a fight with 2 109s and one broke off so it'd be a 1v1(ty Stodd :)). You won't find that happen in EW,MW or LW.
IMO the terrains are much better,plane sets are what they should be and the level of respect and sportsmanship was outstanding. It's really a shame that more of the old AW types don't go in there more. I even joined a 38 squad in AvA but everytime I'd go there, there wasn't but a handful of people online. It's a wonderful arena going to waste for the most part. :salute
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I think its a fair point about training. Its hardly surprising that a noob in the MA asking "how do I turn the engine on?" on country channel is met with "go to the TA", "RTFM" or Alt-F4. with 100+ people on a side, country ch really needs to be used for strategic/tactical stuff (plus banter ofc :)). This means that the trainers in the TA are having to teach people stuff which they really should be working out for themselves (by RTFM and offline practise) which in turn means that they dont have time to teach ACM.
Introducing Basic Training would go along way to reducing the load on the trainers so they can concentrate on teaching more advanced stuff. Specifically an offline basic training area with a course that has to be passed to play online. It doesn't have to be as stringent as Americas Army, just make sure that new players can take off, climb to 10k, shoot some drones and land again succesfully. It might look like a barrier to entry, but I suspect alot more of the 2-weekers would go on to subscribe if they at least start their trial being able to fly a basic sortie, rather than spending 2 weeks augering, pressing buttons randomly and ground looping across the field.
just a thought :)
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And back to the "trainers aren't doing enough" theme -- Yeah, its horse hockey.
Biggest reason people don't get training is that most don't really want it. Even though I tell myself I want to be a student of the fight, in reality by the time I log on the LAST thing I want to do is put in some more grunt work. Most guys don't even go as far as I pretend to do with learning the art -- they just want to dive in and blow things up. (Basing that opinion on the general lack of interest I've encountered in sharing what little I've learned.)
If the demand was there, and if it made a difference, I have no doubt that HT would increase the number of trainer slots in a heartbeat. After all, he cares about this game even more than we do. Unfortunately, don't think it would make a dent in massed horde behavior.
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What I've been wondering this whole time is where you got SAPP from? SAPP is not the squad Dan was talking about, he was talking about the 80th.
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What a joke, when the MWA reaches a point that its tardlets in bunches its time to evaluate where the game is going. My 90 day clock is on, fas as I can see we're reaching the point that its devolved to a total waste of time.
I'm Just curious what was the problem you encountered in MW? My squad flies MW primarily not for the so called milkrunning as Uptown so lightly put it, we fight there for the fight which sadly i must say has been short as of late, but i think it may just be a passing state hopefully! When the arena split MW was full of the same mentality as LW was but that did change over the course of a few months.It seems we are in that viscous cycle again, it should come around again! I'm not here to convince you otherwise because it sounds as if your mind is made up (i hope it isn't), but there is more than you think of players that are intrested in the fight not just the score! Look me up next time your in MW ill give it a go for a 1v1 i sux so dint expect the fight to last long :lol. Ill be in the red tailed KI-61 in game name "coola"! :salute
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After I took my break I told myself I would find a little corner of AH to enjoy and keep my mouth shut.
Well, all I found was an arena increasingly loaded with sticks that have one eye on the gunsight and the other on the score card. The newest crop of vets are those that can land multiple kills over and over again without regard of how they are obtained. Gone are the vets that would happily dive into a mess of enemy planes and still <salute> those that ganged them to death.
I'm definitely not as gracious as the latter type, but I'm closer to that than a score monkey.
So Del, care to recap our last engagements in the MWA?
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Let try and clarify my post from last night a bit....
While all of us have our moments and none are immune to throwing rocks at our proverbial glass house my comments are based on flying the MWA a lot over the last few months. The specific incident that triggered the post is basically identical to 100 or more that went before it. I logged in as rook (was lowest number last time) and as is usual there was no balanced rook fight. They were all lumped together ganging one field while the opposing sides each in turn ganged a different rook base. So i'm either 10 on zip or 1 on the dar bar. I hate flying knight in the MWA so I went bish and found a base (A19) with a single dar bar. I upped an SBD and went looking for a fight. Thr Darbar grew and I finally found a higher 110, p-38 and p-51. The pony dropped on in and the 110 and 38 stayed up. The pony driver was actually pretty decent, he got a couple of licks in that he probably shouldnt have (on my 2nd or 3rd day of trackIR use so I lose guys to often still) but was a fun fight that devolved to a stall fight on the deck with me forcing him to extend and regroup 4-5 times. Now on the last after staying out the entire time the 38 (oldman22) drops in and picks me. From my perspective the pony called the others off and then asked him in once he saw he was gonna get killed if he continued the 1 on 1.
Anyone who's ever flown with me knows that I always call any squaddies (or friendlies) off of a true 1 on 1....especially if i'm losing so that type of behavior is repugnant to me. I upped an SBD again to give them another crack and this time the 3 just ganged me again with no pretense. So I left them to them selfs.
The truth is that there are a lot of "old school" guys who will help anyone who asks, the SAPP guys are not only great sticks but great people as well. As for me I help anyone who asks and post various stuff in the TA portion of the BBS from time to time. I'm way beyond caring about "score" and IMO this actually goes beyond this increasingly stupid game. This is an indicator of the constant erosion of character in our society at large IMO...I'm finding more and more I simply don't like the majority of people who play this game any more.
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That would make us a lil bit more like WarBirds though Guppy. I would like to implement what they had in AW which made it nearly impossible to HO...
It's a phase, it'll go back to normal at some point.
i had suggested this before, and seen others also. everyone retorts with something like "look where AW is now", which is stupid.
if there were a uumm.....say.......10 degree cone off the nose of our a/c, that'd be enough to prevent these ho'ers. it'd force em to learn maneuvering, as they'd quickly learn that ho'ing just doesn't work.
now, on the other hand, i've been blessed with some good fights in MW last month. this is mostly due to the influx of some better sticks from the LW arenas. you guys all know who i'm talking about. apparently, some of the slugs are comming too.
that's pretty simple to fix though. we can police ourselves in there. run film. someone ho's, call em out on it in open channel. inevitably, they;ll deny it. now it can be posted here. the types that do that poo poo, are the same types that will actually let themselves be embarrassed by someone they've never met over the net.
the other option.......you engage....they ho.....regardless of the outcome, you'll see their name. note who it is, and go fight somewhere else. eventually they;ll go away. orrrr......you've now pegged a hotard.....grab a couple squaddies, and make his life miserable. hunt him down. if he goes to another area of the map, get reports from other friendlies, as to his location, and you and your squaddies go there, and continue the witch hunt. he;ll go away when he realizes he can't get away wtih his poopoo anymore.
this should leave just those of us that like the fight behind. it was seeming soo good, that you gus were comming in here......the 80th guys, akak, snaphook, hell, i was getting good fights with jeager one night....even though he kept killin me.
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Really? I don't think so. From my perspective the whole SAPP thing is more a close knit club thing that excludes more then includes. For god's sake, just take a close look at how SAPP folks participate in the in game and BBS community.
If you can't see the elitist over tones, I don't know what I can say...
Honestly, you are one of the most positive posters in the BBS... I actually miss the "in character" Corky Jr stories...
I guess my question is, how does your group choose players to train? How many have you trained in the past 6 months? Are you really trying to propagate a community interested in the mechanics of air combat?
have you ever flown with or against any of the sapp guys? i've done both. every one of them(that i've met ingame) are GREAT people. they're excellent wingies, and they're even better opponents.
they DO NOT have any elitist attitudes. i fought against soulss, who actually typed tips to me DURING our fight. i fought against shuffler, who did the same....only, after i died. i fought against snaphook, who spent close to 45 minutes on 200 explaining what i did wrong, and what i could/should have done differently. crims stopped what he was doing, switched countries, and we went off to the edge of the map, and he worked with me. i fought akak, lost, and he also explained what i had done wrong.
i don;t see any of this as elitist. these are the kinds of guys that are fun to fight.
your last questions.......yes, i truely believe they are trying to propagate good fighting skills. i'm not sure, that i can or should say this, but......i don't know what their criteria is for SAPP, but they did bring me into their ranks. it seems that if you show a good interest in 2 things. 1) the mighty P38. 2)a strong desire to FIGHT.
one final thought.......you ever noticed when you see films posted, you almost always see or hear some sort of smack talk about someone involved? well, soulss sent me the film of some of our fights.......on said film, i hear him call out a p38, and an f6f( was the 38). shuffler responded with a comment that "the 38 is probably cap...he won't ho ya, he seems like a good guy", and a "i don't know who the f6f is".
so...how is any of this elitist? THEY are the ones i've been referencing in my posts about the good fighters comming to mw. :D
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They were all lumped together ganging one field while the opposing sides each in turn ganged a different rook base.
Over time, this seems to be the result in any arena that offers a map reset. When I go around to see how the other folks live, I even notice this in the EW arena.
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It is the perception that you generate. I've been around for awhile, not long enough to be one of the leet BBS guys, but I'm really not an online flight sim noob... I've always known that the SAPP conspiracy was a joke, but I also have never known anyone who has been trained by SAPP from basic skills since I have started playing... I'm fairly certain that you don't intend it to be the way that it is, but you know what, it is what it is....
I just wish the major squadrons would REALLY take an interest in teaching ACM and tactics... Imagine if all the big squads would start to teach such things... I'm sure that the game play would improve...
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I never looked at MW to be that good of a arena anyhow. To me it's just another milking arena. And if you disrupt that you'll find yourself fighting a whole squad alone. For the most part the MW and EW theaters are populated by fellas that want a single digit ranking with as little effort as possible.
i fly mw excllusivley. i can't imagine you've spent any serious time in there if this is your impression.
it's the same as the lw's, but on a smalle rscale, with better sportsmanship.
there;s always gonna be landgrabbers.
the good fights are(used to be?) in mw.
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So Del, care to recap our last engagements in the MWA?
It wasn't in the MW, it was in LW. You were slightly lower (1-2k) in a La7 and after the merge your forced me out front and you got me.
Like I said, I'm not always gracious but I don't care about my score either.
My ego doesn't need any fluffing. :)
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This is something I don't understand. I know a lot of people complain about picking or ganging, and they're always the ones on the losing end. But, isn't the whole point of having squadmates and friends to help out and work together? I do understand that 4 on 1 or sometimes 3 on 1 is a little overkill, but having a buddy jump in if you realize that you're going to get shot down is what wingman tactics and having friends is all about. I guess what I'm saying is that if you want 1 vs 1 every time you go up to fight, grab someone you want to do that with and go to the DA. Or, you could let that one person know and hope that he informs his friends to stay away. Now if you're having a good 1 vs 1 fight going on, and someone comes screaming in out of the blue, it can get a little aggravating, but at least if I'm the one that happens upon that fight, I'll at least ask whoever it is that is flying for the same little chess piece as me if they want me to jump in before I do.
Just my opinion, take it how you want to.
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Let try and clarify my post from last night a bit....
While all of us have our moments and none are immune to throwing rocks at our proverbial glass house my comments are based on flying the MWA a lot over the last few months. The specific incident that triggered the post is basically identical to 100 or more that went before it. I logged in as rook (was lowest number last time) and as is usual there was no balanced rook fight. They were all lumped together ganging one field while the opposing sides each in turn ganged a different rook base. So i'm either 10 on zip or 1 on the dar bar. I hate flying knight in the MWA so I went bish and found a base (A19) with a single dar bar. I upped an SBD and went looking for a fight. Thr Darbar grew and I finally found a higher 110, p-38 and p-51. The pony dropped on in and the 110 and 38 stayed up. The pony driver was actually pretty decent, he got a couple of licks in that he probably shouldnt have (on my 2nd or 3rd day of trackIR use so I lose guys to often still) but was a fun fight that devolved to a stall fight on the deck with me forcing him to extend and regroup 4-5 times. Now on the last after staying out the entire time the 38 (oldman22) drops in and picks me. From my perspective the pony called the others off and then asked him in once he saw he was gonna get killed if he continued the 1 on 1.my last night ingame...about a week ago, i had a good fight..me in 38g vs spit5. there was him, a hurri, and a 109. we were all around 12k. i inned the spit, and as the hurri got closer, lazydog came on 200, saying "i'm out cap", and just circled the fight. i think one of them called off the 109 too(i think that was chief250?). they both simply circled and watched. then one of my squaddies comes on vox" HOLY CRAP CAP!! how are you fighting them all"!? u thnk that came from the fact that 10i was in a 38, and 2) most that know me, know i suck at multi-con engagements. anyway, he said he was OTW to help. i said to stay out...from the spit anyway. he did. he went in on the hurri, and someone else went in on the 109. it was a fun fight. then nkl5 chased me in his lanc o deth. :rofl
Anyone who's ever flown with me knows that I always call any squaddies (or friendlies) off of a true 1 on 1....especially if i'm losing so that type of behavior is repugnant to me. I upped an SBD again to give them another crack and this time the 3 just ganged me again with no pretense. So I left them to them selfs. i seriously enjoyed that one single fight i had with ya...my 38 vs ur sbd...and hope to see ya in there..if i get in again, for more.
The truth is that there are a lot of "old school" guys who will help anyone who asks, the SAPP guys are not only great sticks but great people as well. As for me I help anyone who asks and post various stuff in the TA portion of the BBS from time to time. I'm way beyond caring about "score" and IMO this actually goes beyond this increasingly stupid game. This is an indicator of the constant erosion of character in our society at large IMO...I'm finding more and more I simply don't like the majority of people who play this game any more.
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Was that directed at me CAP?
Let me clarify (a commonly overused term here) a little.
Calling people off if you and someone else are having a good fight is great. There's nothing wrong with that. The thing I have a problem with, is everyone that whines about being picked or ganged. How do you know that your opponent was seeing that he was losing the upper hand and called in for a little help? What's wrong with asking for help if you're in a losing fight? If you and your opponent are all fine and dandy with fighting just each other and don't want anyone to interfere, both of you let it be known. But don't get mad if your opponents buddy jumps in to help his friend out. That was the point I was trying to make is that I ask before I jump into 2 people in a 1 on 1 to see if they want my help, or I'll circle a little higher of find someone else to tussle with. There's nothing wrong with 1 vs 1 at all, and if people want to do it in any of the arenas it's fine, just don't complain when someone else jumps in. If you strictly want 1 vs 1 and don't want your opponents friends jumping in to help if they need it, go to the DA, that's what I was saying. I have had it done to me plenty of times fighting someone and here comes one of their buddies, but do I get mad, no because that's what teamwork is. Is it disappointing if you two have been having a good fight and it's ruined by someone else, yeah, but oh well, just shoot the guy you were fighting with a message, find some remote place to have a little 1 on 1 or go to the DA it's not that hard.
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Thats a fair question and i'll try and give you an answer.
We can distinguish between a "squad op", a "mission", a furball and a true 1 on 1 or 1 on 2. There are plenty of times that "ganging" is appropriate in the context of the game. Circumstances rarely give you a truly equal fight....IMO if a winging pair initiate winging tactics thats fine. If one engages solo and then the wingie engages later I find that to be unsportsmanlike. I'll give a specific example to illustrate....
3-4 tours ago I upped a pony (D) to try and catch up with a few squaddies running a sweep (4-5). I rarely ever catch up since I normally find some fun otw. While tooling toward them I caught 3 or 4 planes 1 on 1 and in the end they actually picked me up RTB. As we returned I noticed a darbar and vectored off looking for another pelt. Batfink trailed after me in case we got some real play. I found a pony climbing out, and a great fight ensued. I knew in 30 seconds I was probably over matched a bit (I'm not a great pony driver) if the fight went to even. As i'm fighting i'm speculating with Bat who it might be...another 15-20 seconds and I've identified "it" as most likely being SkatSr. The fight played out another 2 min or so with skat forcing me to an all in position, I finally reached what I felt was my best case and took him vertical off of his reverse and just had enough, he got guns on enough to pop an aileron and I caught him on the stall. Bat circled the entire time and would have never bounced the pony, further if Skat had won (and he probably should have) Bat would have given him the choice of engaging or RTBing. I take no issue that some of us are flying WW1/early WW2 "knights of the sky" rules and some of us aren't...at its heart this used to be a flight sim centered on individual and/or small unit air combat.
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Was that directed at me CAP?
Let me clarify (a commonly overused term here) a little.
Calling people off if you and someone else are having a good fight is great. There's nothing wrong with that. The thing I have a problem with, is everyone that whines about being picked or ganged. How do you know that your opponent was seeing that he was losing the upper hand and called in for a little help? What's wrong with asking for help if you're in a losing fight? If you and your opponent are all fine and dandy with fighting just each other and don't want anyone to interfere, both of you let it be known. But don't get mad if your opponents buddy jumps in to help his friend out. That was the point I was trying to make is that I ask before I jump into 2 people in a 1 on 1 to see if they want my help, or I'll circle a little higher of find someone else to tussle with. There's nothing wrong with 1 vs 1 at all, and if people want to do it in any of the arenas it's fine, just don't complain when someone else jumps in. If you strictly want 1 vs 1 and don't want your opponents friends jumping in to help if they need it, go to the DA, that's what I was saying. I have had it done to me plenty of times fighting someone and here comes one of their buddies, but do I get mad, no because that's what teamwork is. Is it disappointing if you two have been having a good fight and it's ruined by someone else, yeah, but oh well, just shoot the guy you were fighting with a message, find some remote place to have a little 1 on 1 or go to the DA it's not that hard.
nope......wasn't aimed at you dude.....you know me better than that!!
i was simply speaking of a good fight i had that night, and that the 2 other cons there decided to stay out.......and that i asked my squaddies to stay off the spit i was engaged with, which they did. and for the record, that same spit driver had kilt me previously, and i thought he was gonna again...i just got lucky though......he bellflopped into the trees. :D shortl, thereafter, so did i as nkl was chasing me. :rofl
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I'm finding more and more I simply don't like the majority of people who play this game any more.
I think this hits the nail squarely on the head.
Someone just last night fit the bill at first. Low typhy kept coming back to try and deack a field to setup a vulch and maybe a capture. I easily dispatched him. 5 or so minutes later it happens again. Now the fellow is sending me mean PMs. My first instinct is to talk the smack right back. I'm fairly certain that I'm going to be able to beat him in most any matchup so instead I simply offer a fight in the DA. He accepted.
We only had time for one fight and it was in spixtweens. I hadn't flown one in a good while, and spun the heck out of it at the top of my first loop after the merge. I'm fighting to recover and see a red tag above his spixtween spin around my screen a few times. I recover and immediately realize he's gaining my six. Chop throttle, full rudder into some tight barrell rolls. I work him out in front and as I gain his six I see he's turning into the canyon wall. He augered giving me the win.
We talked a bit and Floatsup told me he'd been having a rough time IRL. I told him to just take it a little easier on the language in game and I feel like I could fly with him again if he asked.
I see a lot of problems in this game stemming from frustration, both in game and in the real world thats spilling in.
It took a few minutes but I made another friend. At first I thought he would end up far from that. It's tough to have patience like that but I've found it worth it.
PFDave, you should really come fly some 38's with everyone on vox 138. Usually to be found on the low numbers country heading for a big red dar bar that often has a much smaller green dar bar. I was fortunate to have some great fights with CorkyJr a long while ago. I mentioned that 38s had always frustrated me as a fighter and so began my long journey of dropping p38 parts all over the arenas. I agree that some in SAPP may have a big head pumped up from too much ego (actually I'm only looking at ackack :D ) but I have yet to find another group dedicated to a single plane type that is as usefull and fun as these guys.
On topic, I enjoy moving into the MWA as I find the planeset is much more balanced. I hate seeing that much if not the majority of the participants are more interested in cartoon real estate as opposed to a good fight. I have a similar problem when the AvA has setups that encourage more basegrabbing than fighting too.
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I can somewhat see your point Snaphook. On the other hand though, that red bad guy most likely saw the 2 of you and still decided to engage you. He should know coming into that situation that there is a chance that the second con will jump in to engage as well. I am all for a fair fight, well as much as possible, but I'm also all for working together. If there is a chance that I might be jumped by 2 or 3, I'll either find a way out, or try to find a way to live, dying being the case most of the time. I was just saying that you can't expect squaddies or another friendly to stay out of the fight unless you tell them so beforehand. Myself, I like flying into a bunch of bad guys, not because I don't want to see how many I can kill because that will probably be zero, I like to do it to see how long I can live. Fighting off 2 or 3 or however many only makes my SA and ACM skills that much better, which means I need to find more of those fights. But I do agree that the honorable thing to do is let the 2 people fighting 1 vs 1 duke it out, but you and I both know that probably 8 times out of 10, you're not going to find that. People can say what they want, but you will most likely see the other guy jumping in at some point if not right from the beginning.
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Really? I don't think so. From my perspective the whole SAPP thing is more a close knit club thing that excludes more then includes. For god's sake, just take a close look at how SAPP folks participate in the in game and BBS community.
If you can't see the elitist over tones, I don't know what I can say...
Honestly, you are one of the most positive posters in the BBS... I actually miss the "in character" Corky Jr stories...
I guess my question is, how does your group choose players to train? How many have you trained in the past 6 months? Are you really trying to propagate a community interested in the mechanics of air combat?
What about other squads?
How many squads are really interested in teaching ACM?
Rolling Thunder (my squad) has recently started using Titanic Tuesdays as training days, covering various topics, how many over squads are doing this?
Guess I am just a bit sick of reading how crappy the game play is these days, when there are so very few people interested in really improving it....
Not sure if you know, but S.A.P.P. is not a Squad. We are a group of folks dedicated to the P-38. Our Forum is chocked full of good historical information, links and film for those who want to learn the 38. The only folks not in SAPP are the ones who do not fly the 38 diligently. We have several new folks in there now. They are folks who have tagged along and are noted as flying the 38 alot. SAPP is not an Elitist group just a rag tag bunch who love the 38.
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On the whole thing about training I think the vets do what they can. Whether it's to wing with someone or offer advice on the BBs. Some are better at it than others. I tend to limit my help to the Help and Training forum because when I have time to play then I want to play, not be a trainer plus I'm not sure I'm all that good a teacher.
That said, one night I killed a guy who was obviously a n00b a couple of times. I can't remember how it ended up happening but we started a PM conversation. I asked him to come back to the same area and asked if I could critique his flying. He agreed. There were a lot of little things he was doing wrong that really hurt him. I hope I helped him out. The same thing happened with some guy who was taunting me to go to the DA. So, the point of all this is, if you get owned by someone maybe you should just ask them if they would fight you again and critique your flying. I'd bet 90% would happily oblige, and why not? It's a big compliment to them and another easy kill if they decide to take it.
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After I took my break I told myself I would find a little corner of AH to enjoy and keep my mouth shut.
Well, all I found was an arena increasingly loaded with sticks that have one eye on the gunsight and the other on the score card. The newest crop of vets are those that can land multiple kills over and over again without regard of how they are obtained. Gone are the vets that would happily dive into a mess of enemy planes and still <salute> those that ganged them to death.
I'm definitely not as gracious as the latter type, but I'm closer to that than a score monkey.
Del, I dont consider myself a "vet", I have only been here since tour 52?
but in any case I "happily dive down into a mess of red, and I always <S> the one that killz me, but what I have found is they most dont <S> back or they say you where "stick stirring" thats how you stayed alive, or whatever excuse they can come up with that makes themselves feel better for not being able to kill you so fast.
Now I am not saying that none ever <S> because some do in that for instance but most dont.
and then on the other hand, I dont understand this ether, I have been jumped on by the hourd and killed some of them, I <S> them, and they only rarly <S> back, maybe its just me, I guess I am one of the players that is disliked by most every one, :lol
Yet I never harass anyone, talk crap to anyone, whine, complain, or squeak about any ones flying "style".
Its cool though I have to admit I truly enjoy it when, I am called a cheater, or "stick stirrer" :lol or when I get PVed by the guy I just killed, about how much I suk. or the number of exscuses I have heard as to why they died to my Hurri.
although I will say there are a few great guys in the MAs, that show respect every time! win or lose. but they are rare.
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What a joke, when the MWA reaches a point that its tardlets in bunches its time to evaluate where the game is going. My 90 day clock is on, fas as I can see we're reaching the point that its devolved to a total waste of time.
hey dude.........are you on on a regular basis, or is it like me......and ya get on when you manage to fiond time?
i'm not thinking i'm gonna make it tonight, or sat, but i should be able to be on for a bit sunday..i hope.......i'd love to find more good fights with ya.......i've still watched that film a couple times, and it made it easy to see my mistakes. nowww...if only i can do it differently......
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I'm up mostly Fri-sun but pop in from time to time during the week. Just PM me anytime you catch me on (.f snaphook). I'd also look for Batfink (batfinkv) or lengro. Great guys, better sticks then I am and good at teaching as well. We've been "rumbling" in the TA more then flying in the arena's recently...
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I also think that I'm going to start spending some time in the TA to find some of those guys to help me out. Some afternoons I get an hour or so but there's not many people there then.
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I also think that I'm going to start spending some time in the TA to find some of those guys to help me out. Some afternoons I get an hour or so but there's not many people there then.
I'VE been wondering if it would be a bad idea to bring in a stick for the shop puter, as i did install the game. figure i could pssibly get a bit of time in on lunchbreak.
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What a joke, when the MWA reaches a point that its tardlets in bunches its time to evaluate where the game is going. My 90 day clock is on, fas as I can see we're reaching the point that its devolved to a total waste of time.
this is the reason why I got myself banned from the game. there is a squad in there that is consistently ruining the game with their mindless toolshedding. once they moved over to the AvA where I had gone to get away from them and they followed I picked the whineyest of them and gave him both barrels as well expressing my disdane for HTC. I no longer have an account and I can't return. seeing as how I was so addicted to this crack cocaine like game it was the only way I wouldn't pay.
I'm glad to be gone.
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It wasn't in the MW, it was in LW. You were slightly lower (1-2k) in a La7 and after the merge your forced me out front and you got me.
Like I said, I'm not always gracious but I don't care about my score either.
My ego doesn't need any fluffing. :)
you missed my point ;)
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Humble,
I'll just second the motion of the AvA to you. I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
I got me ego absolutely clubbed in there the other night. It was alot more like the "old" AvA than the "new" AvA.
Other than that, I don't know what to tell you. I try to emulate your ideals when I fly in any of the MA's, but the pace of play and the manner in which other players fly anymore...I find myself becoming just like what we all despise.
Case in point: last night I dove on a set of bombers in a D-9. I got two clean but collided with the debris and got an engine hit.
I was egressing, but a lone La-7 saddled up 3k out.
It was just a matter of time. My engine died and while I tried to evade, there was nothing I could do.
Now usually, I don't shoot down deadstick planes. That's just me. But I'll tell you what. I was so pissed off after that, that any plane that crossed my path the rest of the night was going to get shot, period.
I dunno, it's just a game and that's the way it is I guess.
Did I even make sense?
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What a joke, when the MWA reaches a point that its tardlets in bunches its time to evaluate where the game is going. My 90 day clock is on, fas as I can see we're reaching the point that its devolved to a total waste of time.
I was thinking the same thing last night ... popped in all this week, only to log out in 5 minutes (most nights) after looking at the roster and looking at the map. Hording is becoming the norm in MW.
The last real "good" fights I had in MW were with you a couple of weeks ago.
Lately it's ...
Engage ...
They split-S to beat feet as fast as they can ... to either other friendlies ... to their field ack ... to CV guns and ack.
MW is becoming "pussified" ... which is a shame.
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I was thinking the same thing last night ... popped in all this week, only to log out in 5 minutes (most nights) after looking at the roster and looking at the map. Hording is becoming the norm in MW.
The last real "good" fights I had in MW were with you a couple of weeks ago.
Lately it's ...
Engage ...
They split-S to beat feet as fast as they can ... to either other friendlies ... to their field ack ... to CV guns and ack.
MW is becoming "pussified" ... which is a shame.
not totally. there's still a few of us....along with a few good guys from lw that like to fight.
now...admittedly, i did run to ack one night last month....then i slowed down, turned hard, to make sure i gave the auto ack a gooood shot at the bad guy. problem? wrong ack!! :rofl :rofl
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Just a 'few' things to add:
WHAT is wrong with flying a Spit16 or Niki or La-7? And please don't give me that 'easy' mode stuff, for almost every new-ish player to the game, every kill is going to be the result of a struggle no matter WHAT they fly.
I've NEVER received a rude PM, and I've never sent one either. I really don't see why anyone should actually feel the need to do so.
I may be a relatively new player, at least compared to you 'old-timers', and I may be relatively young (just turned 17), but I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about. I for one am perfectly happy to dive into a group of multiple enemies, and I honestly couldn't care less about my score. Yeah, it's nice to see the kills rack up, but at the end of the day as long as I've had some fun I'm happy.
So to all you 'old-timers' - why not accept that things are changing, that some of the old attitude to gameplay from the AW era is going away, and just have fun blasting all the noobs out of the sky - I know you're all capable of it. Eventually in the course of your rampaging through the hoards, you will find another 'old-timer' who'll give you a decent fight.
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Yossarian
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Just a 'few' things to add:
WHAT is wrong with flying a Spit16 or Niki or La-7? And please don't give me that 'easy' mode stuff, for almost every new-ish player to the game, every kill is going to be the result of a struggle no matter WHAT they fly.
I've NEVER received a rude PM, and I've never sent one either. I really don't see why anyone should actually feel the need to do so.
I may be a relatively new player, at least compared to you 'old-timers', and I may be relatively young (just turned 17), but I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about. I for one am perfectly happy to dive into a group of multiple enemies, and I honestly couldn't care less about my score. Yeah, it's nice to see the kills rack up, but at the end of the day as long as I've had some fun I'm happy.
So to all you 'old-timers' - why not accept that things are changing, that some of the old attitude to gameplay from the AW era is going away, and just have fun blasting all the noobs out of the sky - I know you're all capable of it. Eventually in the course of your rampaging through the hoards, you will find another 'old-timer' who'll give you a decent fight.
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Yossarian
Why don't we all just fly nothing but 16's, lgays and nikkis, then we can all circle in our respective acks hoping someone is going to come down and we can get a proxy, Or what we could all do collectively is fly the 16's, Lgays, Ponies around 2k alt and then jump on one guy flying on his own? If we all done that then the MA would be a great place uh?
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Why don't we all just fly nothing but 16's, lgays and nikkis, then we can all circle in our respective acks hoping someone is going to come down and we can get a proxy, Or what we could all do collectively is fly the 16's, Lgays, Ponies around 2k alt and then jump on one guy flying on his own? If we all done that then the MA would be a great place uh?
heh......that's one thing that's always gotten me./........
1 bogie, with 5 or more chasing him. :rofl
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Strength in numbers :aok j/k
Anything more than 2 on 1 is too much.
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probably shouldn't be posting this because I'm breaking my "don't post when angry" policy for the second time this week but the state the game seems to have been reduced to a new all time low. MW used to be a bit of a refuge from the crap I get bombarded with in the LW but now that to seems to be going down hill as well.
Guess I'll give the 'ol AvA another go.
i agree, though the MWA is still slightly better... i feel its a game, cant change how people will play, may as well just suck it up and try to ignore the tards...
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and all comes down to 1 sqaud in the MWA with the way they run the maps in huge hordes. i've seen sqauds not single players switch to the knights because there tired of getting ganged up on and i tried to tell them there only making the arena worst stay and fight .as for me i really dont care about the 5 on 1's i enjoy it but there's some that dont . and now i've been seeing the bish getting a horde going on too with sqauds from LW coming in .
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lazydog can attest that I have no problem running by myself head first into a group of bad guys, don't I?
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lazydog can attest that I have no problem running by myself head first into a group of bad guys, don't I?
i'm timid
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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So to all you 'old-timers' - why not accept that things are changing, that some of the old attitude to gameplay from the AW era is going away, and just have fun blasting all the noobs out of the sky - I know you're all capable of it. Eventually in the course of your rampaging through the hoards, you will find another 'old-timer' who'll give you a decent fight.
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Yossarian
Bah, things have not changed match in the last 5 years. There was always a "best" or fastest plane and always a bunch of people complaining about what the others are flying. The complains are not about the plane. There is nothing wrong with a LALA or spit16 if you are going to jump into a 5 vs 1 with them. After all, you will need the best tool for the job if you did that. The complain is about the way a fast plane is used. If it is used to fight no one will say anything (well almost, there are people that will say something no matter what but they are not the old timers). If you use a fast plane to only pick and run, that is also fine. It is your 15$. However, I have paid my 15$ also for access to chan 200 so if you do fly like that, be prepared to hear something about it. :D
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maybe so CAP i do have to say .everytime i've seen ya you've been alone and not with the horde <S> and LOW i know you like to jump right in. i remember all the time telling you to wait for help lol fun huh :-)
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All planes need to spawn mid air at 15k. No planes from the same country allowed within 6k of each other.
If you lose the advantage during a fight, extending will not be allowed. Might as well make it so only like planes may engage each other. No base captures will be allowed as well.
This should handle most complaints.
Sounds like fun huh? :D
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maybe so CAP i do have to say .everytime i've seen ya you've been alone and not with the horde <S> and LOW i know you like to jump right in. i remember all the time telling you to wait for help lol fun huh :-)
thanks.......but i do have to say one thing about attacking bases.........
that's probably about the best way to start a fight. without that, everyone spends their time climbing too high....
when someone attacks a base, people come and defend.....now there's furballs all over the place.....nice low alt fights.........
i know that's not everyones cup of tea though too.......
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Some of the best fight come from CVs offshore. If the cruiser doesn't shell the base and the buffs don't sink the CV one heck of a lengthy fight can ensue.
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have to agree with ya shuffler i find the best fights are the CV fights but then again there's some sqauds think they need to sink the cv as soon as possible thinking they my loose the base thats 1 of the reasons i lefted the knits even when you asked them not to
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Some of the best fight come from CVs offshore. If the cruiser doesn't shell the base and the buffs don't sink the CV one heck of a lengthy fight can ensue.
THEY'RE MY FAVORITE FURBALLS.
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Agreed. Love to a CV just offshore :aok
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and CAP yes thats true sometimes but not when its 15 to 2 been there done that and then the 15 takes down all the hangers oh geeeeeeeee thats fun
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and CAP yes thats true sometimes but not when its 15 to 2 been there done that and then the 15 takes down all the hangers oh geeeeeeeee thats fun
the hangar dropping usually seems to happen after multiple sets of buffs are killed trying to sink the carrier. i don;t try to drop hangars in these fights....nor do i sink the carrier.......unless the hangars are attacked.
caint we all just get along??
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Really? I don't think so. From my perspective the whole SAPP thing is more a close knit club thing that excludes more then includes. For god's sake, just take a close look at how SAPP folks participate in the in game and BBS community.
BS to the NTH degree. When I asked Dan for help with the 38 I was told any time he was on just ask. Wasn't just him either his whole squad.... and a few from the other 38 squads.
Your barking up the wrong tree here bub.
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and CAP yes thats true sometimes but not when its 15 to 2 been there done that and then the 15 takes down all the hangers oh geeeeeeeee thats fun
ok......that's it!!!!!!!
i'm gonna get online tonight when i get home from philly. gonna load my 38 up with as many torpedoes as i can carry, and sink all your hangars.
nopenopenope.......don't try n talk me outta it now...ity's too late. you've done it now.....jeeest you wait n see!!
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My venting has nothing to do with plane type or the end result of a fight. I'll gladly fight anyone in the game in any plane they want in anything with a gun strapped on somewhere and have a fun time doing it. I could care less what plane the other guy is flying and I wont fly behind the plane I choose to fly. I cant recall ever downgrading another pilots victory because of my plane. As for the various planes the only 2 I feel are chicken@#$% are the nikki and the hurricane. Personally both are horrifically mismodeled (again just my opinion), other then that I could care less...
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My venting has nothing to do with plane type or the end result of a fight. I'll gladly fight anyone in the game in any plane they want in anything with a gun strapped on somewhere and have a fun time doing it. I could care less what plane the other guy is flying and I wont fly behind the plane I choose to fly. I cant recall ever downgrading another pilots victory because of my plane. As for the various planes the only 2 I feel are chicken@#$% are the nikki and the hurricane. Personally both are horrifically mismodeled (again just my opinion), other then that I could care less...
MY FIRST FLIGHT IN the hurri2c, ammazed me. it was when the squad i was flying with was still an ew squad. i couldn't kill anything, so i upped a hurri. got into it with a me109. in all honesty, i think he'd have had me had i not gotten a lucky shot. i saw him crossing my flightpath, his canopy facing me, i popped off a 1 second burst. saw 2 hit sprites near his tail, and the entire empanage came off.
that turned me into a hurri dween for the longest time. then i became a zeek dweeb, then a hellcat dweeb, now a 38 driver. :D
i still believe its the pilot, not the plane....and you reinforced that last week.
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My venting has nothing to do with plane type or the end result of a fight. I'll gladly fight anyone in the game in any plane they want in anything with a gun strapped on somewhere and have a fun time doing it. I could care less what plane the other guy is flying and I wont fly behind the plane I choose to fly. I cant recall ever downgrading another pilots victory because of my plane. As for the various planes the only 2 I feel are chicken@#$% are the nikki and the hurricane. Personally both are horrifically mismodeled (again just my opinion), other then that I could care less...
so does that mean every one who flies a hurri is a chicken@#$% ? whatever that means?
and even if they are mismodeled, as so many say, NONE of the planes are perfect, I dont think about the real planes when I am in a plane in AH, its the planes in AH that concern me, it does not matter how it truly was, what matters is how it acts in AH.
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The hurri was slow and not very maneuverable. That is why they used them on buffs and the spits on the fighters.
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i think the hurri is a tweeb plane also . at 1 time all i flew was the FM2 and got a lot of help from slapshot with it . i love that plane but since i switched countrys and fly into the hordes the way i do. you have to make quick work at it and the hurri 2 turns great at slow speeds and packs 1 hell of a punch and its a good defender
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The hurricane was a fine fighter and an exceptional gun platform however it was less then stellar in the vertical. It weighed roughly 7600 lbs had an engine that generated less then 1200hp and had a sustained climb (WEP) of less then 3000 ft at alts over roughly 5k. The hurricane is far more formidable in the vertical in AH then it should be (IMO). Realize that this is a plane that was removed from front line service in the ETO fairly early in the war, there was a reason. What really separated AH from AW and WB's initially was an exceptionally good FM specific to E retention. It rewarded exceptional ACM and made the subtle variations in performance stand out. The pilots coming from WB's generally had a bit better plane handling skills in this area and adapted reasonably well but the bulk of the "FR" AW guys had a tougher time and the "RR" guys had tremendous issues....so in AH1 1.4 the FM was dumbed down (again IMO). I'm not against the new FM but for whatever reason both the nikki and the hurricane have (IMO) much higher then historical E retention.
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The hurri was slow and not very maneuverable. That is why they used them on buffs and the spits on the fighters.
if this is true, boy did they mess up the modeling on this one :rofl
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Really? I don't think so. From my perspective the whole SAPP thing is more a close knit club thing that excludes more then includes. For god's sake, just take a close look at how SAPP folks participate in the in game and BBS community.
If you can't see the elitist over tones, I don't know what I can say...
Honestly, you are one of the most positive posters in the BBS... I actually miss the "in character" Corky Jr stories...
I guess my question is, how does your group choose players to train? How many have you trained in the past 6 months? Are you really trying to propagate a community interested in the mechanics of air combat?
What about other squads?
How many squads are really interested in teaching ACM?
Rolling Thunder (my squad) has recently started using Titanic Tuesdays as training days, covering various topics, how many over squads are doing this?
Guess I am just a bit sick of reading how crappy the game play is these days, when there are so very few people interested in really improving it....
I am about the most hopeless of cartoon pilots! And I'm in SAPP.
Elitist,,, I don't think so, SAPPers are some of the most care free cartoon charactors in the game, they are of all skill levels. Really they have two things in common, love of 38's and a willingness to teach and to learn freely.
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The hurri was slow and not very maneuverable. That is why they used them on buffs and the spits on the fighters.
From http://www.aviationartists.ca/newsletternew.htm
Ask any WW II history buff which aircraft he most closely associates with the Battle of Britain, and the most likely answer will be “Spitfire”. While not incorrect, that answer is not quite on the mark. As will be shown below, it is not without good reason that the RAF’s annual Battle of Britain flypast is led by a Hawker Hurricane.
In 1933, Sydney Camm, Hawker’s chief designer, began de-sign of what he called the Fury monoplane which would be pow-ered by the Rolls-Royce Goshawk, carry four guns, have a closed cockpit and a revolutionary retractable undercarriage. By early 1934, his design had been renamed the ‘Interceptor Monoplane”, would carry eight guns and be Merlin powered, although the Fury lineage is still obvious. In Aug 1934, the Air Ministry wrote specification F36/34 around Camm’s design, and authorized the construction of one prototype, K5083, which had its maiden flight on 06 Nov 1935. In June 1936, it was formally named Hurricane and in Dec 1937, the first production aircraft reached operational service with 111 Squadron.
When Camm undertook his design, he was aware that Super-marine, (working to specification F37/34 which would become the Spitfire), had much more experience with stressed-skin, monocoque monoplanes and would put most of its emphasis on performance. He therefore decided to capitalize on Hawker’s production experience with the Fury and Hart, and design an air-craft that would meet the performance specification, but would be rugged, simple, fast and inexpensive to produce and quick and easy to repair and maintain.
Camm’s decision paid dividends for the RAF. Although the contracts for the two aircraft were awarded only a month apart, the gap slipped to four months between maiden flights, and to six months for entry into squadron service. For the same expendi-ture of resources, Hawker was able to produce five Hurricanes for every three Spitfires. Thus, on 8 Aug 1940, the official onset date for the Battle of Britain, and despite losing nearly 200 Hur-ricanes in the Battle of France, the RAF could muster 32 squa-drons of Hurricanes and only 19 of Spitfires.
The Hurricane, although it was a little slower and could not climb as fast as either the Spitfire or Bf-109, had several unique qualities/advantages over its RAF stablemate:
• As noted above, it was cheaper, easier and faster to build, maintain and repair. Throughout the war, it had the highest serviceability rate of any RAF aircraft de-spite the often appalling operating conditions.
• It had a superior ability to withstand combat damage and still fly, fight and get its pilot home safely.
• Its sloping nose and slightly elevated pilot seating pro-vided superior forward visibility both during taxiing and flight, and in tight turns, the nose did not blank out the target.
• Its rugged, wide-track undercarriage enabled it to oper-ate from rougher fields and to withstand hard landings without collapsing or ground-looping.
• It had superior manoeuvreability to both the Spitfire and Bf-109, easily turning inside them.
• It was also superior to both as a gun platform.
Robert Stanford Tuck, in his biography “Fly for Your Life” by Larry Fisher, stated that he was heartbroken to be transferred from his beloved Spitfire to a Hurricane unit, but went on to say:
“After the Spit, she was like a flying brick....a great lumbering farmyard stallion compared with a gentle thoroughbred....[but]....after that first hop, after I’d got the feel of her, I never noticed this, or any of the other differences any more.”.
Douglas Bader, who also transitioned from Spitfires to Hurri-canes, in his book “Fight for the Sky”, said:
“Like all pilots who flew and fought in the Hurricane, I grew to love it. The Spit was a somewhat better per former, but when it came to actually shooting, the Hurricane had no equals. In a dogfight, the Hurricane was every bit as good as the Spitfire.”.
He and many other pilots believed that the Hurricane’s stabil-ity as a gun platform came from its thick, straight wing and the close clustering of the guns just outside the propellor arc. Where-as the Spitfire jittered when in the target’s slipstream, and the re-coil from its widely spaced guns tended to throw off one’s aim, the Hurricane was as steady as if it was riding on rails.
From the moment the two aircraft were introduced into RAF service, Spitfire pilots tended to look down their noses at those who were ‘unfortunate’ enough to get stuck with Hurricanes. It is interesting to note that even Luftwaffe aircrew suffered from “Spitfire snobbery” They had been led to believe that the Spitfire was much the superior aircraft, and after being shot down and captured, insisted that they could only have been bested by a Spitfire rather than the lowly Hurricane.
A similar snobbery is evident in the apocryphal story of a conversation between Hermann Goring and Adolf Galland. The former, supposedly, asked the latter what he needed to win the Battle of Britain, and the reply was “A wing of Spitfires”. During that Battle, Hurricanes actually accounted for more enemy aircraft than all other air defences combined. Perhaps, if that exchange ever actually took place, Galland should have asked for a wing of Hurricanes.
Although Hurricanes were directed primarily against bomb-ers, while the Spitfires went after the covering fighters, in prac-tice, the situation was much more fluid. When engaged in fighter-vs-fighter combat, the Hurricane had only a marginally lower ‘kill ratio’ than the Spitfire; however, the Hurricane pilot had a better chance of surviving being shot down.
Altogether, some 14,251 Hurricanes were built, including a large number by Canadian Car and Foundry. They served in every theatre in which Commonwealth forces were engaged, including with the RCAF in Canada. Although withdrawn from UK-based Fighter Command units in late 1941, it soldiered on in front-line service in other theatres until the end of the war. It was employed as a fighter, fighter-bomber, tank-destroyer (when fitted with two underwing 40 mm cannon), photo reconnaissance, from aircraft carriers (as the Sea Hurricane) and was even cata-pulted off merchant vessels (CAM ships) for convoy protection against air attack.
While the Spitfire was extensively developed and modified during its service to enhance its performance, the Hurricane was not. Although progressively more powerful versions of the Mer-lin were installed, the airframe remained basically unchanged. There were 12 marks, and several sub-models; however, these largely defined where they were built, armament fit, or which Merlin variant was installed.
Hurricanes were supplied to more than a dozen other coun-tries, including 2952 (although not all arrived due to losses on convoys) to the USSR, and at least 30 Soviet pilots became aces flying this aircraft. The only Victoria Cross won in Fighter Com-mand was by Hurricane pilot J. B. Nicholson on 17 Aug 1940 who, despite being wounded, his aircraft badly damaged and on fire, pressed home his attack on a Bf-110, destroyed it, and parachuted to safety.
Suffice it to say, that without the contribution of this often under-rated aircraft, the Battle of Britain would have been lost and who knows what the world might look like today!
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The hurricane was a fine fighter and an exceptional gun platform however it was less then stellar in the vertical. It weighed roughly 7600 lbs had an engine that generated less then 1200hp and had a sustained climb (WEP) of less then 3000 ft at alts over roughly 5k. The hurricane is far more formidable in the vertical in AH then it should be (IMO). Realize that this is a plane that was removed from front line service in the ETO fairly early in the war, there was a reason. What really separated AH from AW and WB's initially was an exceptionally good FM specific to E retention. It rewarded exceptional ACM and made the subtle variations in performance stand out. The pilots coming from WB's generally had a bit better plane handling skills in this area and adapted reasonably well but the bulk of the "FR" AW guys had a tougher time and the "RR" guys had tremendous issues....so in AH1 1.4 the FM was dumbed down (again IMO). I'm not against the new FM but for whatever reason both the nikki and the hurricane have (IMO) much higher then historical E retention.
or could it be the style of gameplay allowed and still does a place for a hurricane to shine... low and slow furballs... honestly if i see a hurricane i have no hesitation about either engaging or ignoring... it's a "non-plane." but it does have it's niche in-game. vs it's historical matchup, the 109f, g and even fwa5 it's way outclassed, especially in the vertical. what's missing from the niki and ki-84, IMHO, is torque at slow speeds considering the power their engines have... they're so stable. great planes.
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Great read, Stickpig. :aok
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I think the problem becomes that it's a minority of players who are looking for ACM and the majority are looking for the quick kill, get your attaboy's, perks or whatever. And there is a large crew that is content to 'win the war' whatever it takes.
How the game defines visible success doesn't promote the 'knights of the air' notion of air combat. Landing multiple kills is 'rewarded' with the kills landed message. WTG! follows. It seems like I remember AW said who killed who. When you'd see "RAGS killed 2357400" for the 35th time in 10 minutes you didn't think WTG!, you thought, oh, that's just RAGS vulching in the VoD again because he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag, but he wants to be the top of the scoring list.
It meant nothing, and was looked down upon. Think about the guys gaming the game for score now. Would they have done it if their names had been in lights with the guy they shot down 60 times in a row or would they have stopped so not to be seen?
I'm sure it's just my nostalgia, but the 'downhill' trend for me goes back to those Airwarrior days when they switched it from limited base capture, to anything goes. When you knew you could only go so far on capturing bases and that the counter attack was coming no matter what to get it back, it kept the fights in a more limited location. It also allowed for areas where you could up and meet guys halfway because there was no base to take down. Now, if a good fight gets going, more often then not someone will deliberately grief it and kill the hangers to kill the fight.
There were certainly pickers, and vulchers then too, but they had their own spots to do their thing as well.
And yeah I know it's just nostalgia, but I miss those days when the nights in AH go bad.
Well said. I remember those halfway fights, you knew it was going to be at 5 or 6k every time, so much fun.
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Stickpig :salute
I have always heard that even though the spit was more famous, the Hurri was the true "workhourse".
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Stickpig :salute
I have always heard that even though the spit was more famous, the Hurri was the true "workhourse".
IT WAS true. the spit got all the glory, because it was "pretty" compared to the hurricane.
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Hey guys this is my first post in the forums but I've been flying since I think about March or April after I built my new PC.
I haven't read all 7 pages in this thread but I'm responding to the guys from the first couple of pages so sorry if I'm chiming. My fishin buddy boxboy28 had been bugging me to get on and fly with him for a while. So I picked up a $5 stick from the local computer store and started to get interested, subscribed, and read everything I could from the help and trainer pages. Boxboy was real good about helping me out too and I'm now in his squad. I'm not saying all this to say that I'm any good at all but just to let you all know that there are some vets out there willing to help people out. I guess I'm lucky to have a buddy from RL to help me out in game as well as my squadmates who have all been fantastic.
I did start out in a spitIX or XVI but I quickly realized that I needed to find my own ride. So I checked out soda's aircraft evaluations flew a bunch of different planes and picked one that I wanted to learn. I'm so used to flying my Yak9U now I'm glad I took the time to find a ride that fit my style.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you see a newb out there maybe you can invite him to your squad's vox channel and try to help him out. He might play the game for longer than a month. I'll also say that it took me a while to FIND the help pages and trainers pages on AH's website to even be able to read the material. I remember being really frustrated about that. I wanted to read as much as I could so I didn't seem like a complete love muffin in game. So also encourage you newbs to read these pages and tell them how to get there.
Anyways I've had a blast in AH so far and have seen a lot of good fights.
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I'll also say that it took me a while to FIND the help pages and trainers pages on AH's website to even be able to read the material. I remember being really frustrated about that.
I would agree and think that this is probably the biggest factor.
The information needed for a new player is not readily available or may seem confusing where to get it, it can take some time just to learn how to get into the BBS and how to use it to even start searching for information. The website could be a little more user freindly and informative.
Might even be a good idea for AH to have newcomers to complete a survey or questionaire after their first billing cycle to get some needed feed back on how and where they could improve.
You know, Customer Service.... :D
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The information from help and trainers pages could be rolled into a .pdf "flight manual" which could be posted on the downloads page or somewhere that's easily accessible and could be printed out. I was able to print out the quick reference card on some nice shiny card stock and also climb rate and airspeed charts for whatever plane I'm interested in at the time.
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MWA is slowly starting to look like the LWA furballs...
Been playing many hours in mid-war because I don't like furballs.
Tried playing in late arenas and didn't like getting shot down by 5 of them...
It also applied when shooting down one enemy plane when we outnumbered him 5 to 1 ! Poor guy and boring victory. No satisfaction to me anyway...
Since I've been playing, I've stayed in EW and MW...
Great fights with mostly fair odds for and against....
Sometimes I scramble and look around, I see many friendlies. With respect I change base or flight direction hoping to intercept one or two bogeys instead of following the bunch that will possibly end up in a furball or gangbang !
Early and Mid war is my type of fighter atmosphere.
Great sticks Snaphook, Shuffler & Ack-Ack, Simarill, Soulliss, Slapshot, Stickpig and NKL5, NB, Lazydog so many others... These guys will give ya a good sweat !
Salute All !
Midwar is a good place to be ! Not that bad !
Phil / OPP7755
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MWA is slowly starting to look like the LWA furballs...
Been playing many hours in mid-war because I don't like furballs.
Tried playing in late arenas and didn't like getting shot down by 5 of them...
It also applied when shooting down one enemy plane when we outnumbered him 5 to 1 ! Poor guy and boring victory. No satisfaction to me anyway...
Since I've been playing, I've stayed in EW and MW...
Great fights with mostly fair odds for and against....
Sometimes I scramble and look around, I see many friendlies. With respect I change base or flight direction hoping to intercept one or two bogeys instead of following the bunch that will possibly end up in a furball or gangbang !
Early and Mid war is my type of fighter atmosphere.
Great sticks Snaphook, Shuffler & Ack-Ack, Simarill, Soulliss, Slapshot, Stickpig and NKL5, NB, Lazydog so many others... These guys will give ya a good sweat !
Salute All !
Midwar is a good place to be ! Not that bad !
Phil / OPP7755
WELL, see.....that's part of the beauty of MW. there's a little of everything in there. there are landgrabbesr, and furballers, on all countrys,
want a fun furball? attack a base. want an awsome GV battle? same thing.....roll a bunch of panzers. want a 1-1 or 2-1? go attack a base by yourself. you don't really even have to attack it for this......just fly into it's sector, and get the base flashing. if it's a small darbar, then only 1 or 2 will up lookin for ya.
BTW.....if i can get my arse in there more, i'll get to the point where i can give ya a good fight too. :D all ireally give right now, is good target practice. :aok :rofl.
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Disclaimer: My post contains a quote from PFactorDave, but it is not only directed at him, rather the AH Community entire.
Check your PMs, I think you have missed the point. So many people complain about how the game is played by new guys, but then expect the new guys to seek out the "proper" training without any real guidance on what the "right" training is... I'll look you guys up when I want to learn 38s, I'm sure it'll happen eventually. Until then, I suggest you advertise a bit more, it's a shame that it took my plaintive post to get an invite. You should police your members a bit more as well, there are some wearing your SAPP badge who actively discourage new players.
Who? I'm bored as hell most nights and spent a few nights teaching a Deaf person the ropes. I was helping Ghosth with him, he had to log for dinner, I took the torch and ran with it. Had him hop in, told him what I was doing, as I was doing it (He told me to do it as his wife relays to him what I would be saying as sign language.) I've never seen you in the TA, do you go in there? I've gone as far as to literally say "What do I need to do to become a Trainer?" IDGAF about the "free this, free that." But I was met with a very stern "Thanks, but no thanks." So I now don't advertise, but if I see someone who is willing to learn, I'll be more than gracious. I'm sick and tired of sallies afraid to "lower their precious rank", instead of fighting. I've reached the point now where I'd rather pass along what I have learned, to others.
What I fail to understand is why SAPP is bearing the blame for your obvious anger? You've missed the point, not Dan. I know Dan well enough that he is not only one of the more honest people that I have never met, but a plethora of knowledge.
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why not accept that things are changing, that some of the old attitude to gameplay from the AW era is going away, and just have fun blasting all the noobs out of the sky
Umm No. Why not accept that things are getting worse? Because we'd rather they be better, or at least stuck on 'good enough'. A rash of players who offer zero challenge except for the same hording and extreme BNZ day in and day out, that just gets OLD. :) Like a gladiator arena that's stood time for a long while hosting various quality fights, but always within a certain range of ok-ness.. Maybe some gladiators sucked, others were excellent, but there was always fighting.... And then for no apparent reason, those man to man or man vs. chariot or man vs. lions fights were replaced with one or a couple of guys vs... swarms of bees. LOL
It's about that much fun. Multiplayer games are great because you get to fight something human.. Too many of the players playing like they were buggy AI is no fun. Then you add how often those new players disregard the historical flavor of the game, the score potatoes etc, and the whole intent of the game, Air Combat, is pretty diluted.. And that makes things get old even faster.
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Excellent post Matt. I almost replied to that one as well.
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From http://www.aviationartists.ca/newsletternew.htm
Ask any WW II history buff which aircraft he most closely associates with the Battle of Britain, and the most likely answer will be “Spitfire”. While not incorrect, that answer is not quite on the mark. As will be shown below, it is not without good reason that the RAF’s annual Battle of Britain flypast is led by a Hawker Hurricane.
In 1933, Sydney Camm, Hawker’s chief designer, began de-sign of what he called the Fury monoplane which would be pow-ered by the Rolls-Royce Goshawk, carry four guns, have a closed cockpit and a revolutionary retractable undercarriage. By early 1934, his design had been renamed the ‘Interceptor Monoplane”, would carry eight guns and be Merlin powered, although the Fury lineage is still obvious. In Aug 1934, the Air Ministry wrote specification F36/34 around Camm’s design, and authorized the construction of one prototype, K5083, which had its maiden flight on 06 Nov 1935. In June 1936, it was formally named Hurricane and in Dec 1937, the first production aircraft reached operational service with 111 Squadron.
When Camm undertook his design, he was aware that Super-marine, (working to specification F37/34 which would become the Spitfire), had much more experience with stressed-skin, monocoque monoplanes and would put most of its emphasis on performance. He therefore decided to capitalize on Hawker’s production experience with the Fury and Hart, and design an air-craft that would meet the performance specification, but would be rugged, simple, fast and inexpensive to produce and quick and easy to repair and maintain.
Camm’s decision paid dividends for the RAF. Although the contracts for the two aircraft were awarded only a month apart, the gap slipped to four months between maiden flights, and to six months for entry into squadron service. For the same expendi-ture of resources, Hawker was able to produce five Hurricanes for every three Spitfires. Thus, on 8 Aug 1940, the official onset date for the Battle of Britain, and despite losing nearly 200 Hur-ricanes in the Battle of France, the RAF could muster 32 squa-drons of Hurricanes and only 19 of Spitfires.
The Hurricane, although it was a little slower and could not climb as fast as either the Spitfire or Bf-109, had several unique qualities/advantages over its RAF stablemate:
• As noted above, it was cheaper, easier and faster to build, maintain and repair. Throughout the war, it had the highest serviceability rate of any RAF aircraft de-spite the often appalling operating conditions.
• It had a superior ability to withstand combat damage and still fly, fight and get its pilot home safely.
• Its sloping nose and slightly elevated pilot seating pro-vided superior forward visibility both during taxiing and flight, and in tight turns, the nose did not blank out the target.
• Its rugged, wide-track undercarriage enabled it to oper-ate from rougher fields and to withstand hard landings without collapsing or ground-looping.
• It had superior manoeuvreability to both the Spitfire and Bf-109, easily turning inside them.
• It was also superior to both as a gun platform.
Robert Stanford Tuck, in his biography “Fly for Your Life” by Larry Fisher, stated that he was heartbroken to be transferred from his beloved Spitfire to a Hurricane unit, but went on to say:
“After the Spit, she was like a flying brick....a great lumbering farmyard stallion compared with a gentle thoroughbred....[but]....after that first hop, after I’d got the feel of her, I never noticed this, or any of the other differences any more.”.
Douglas Bader, who also transitioned from Spitfires to Hurri-canes, in his book “Fight for the Sky”, said:
“Like all pilots who flew and fought in the Hurricane, I grew to love it. The Spit was a somewhat better per former, but when it came to actually shooting, the Hurricane had no equals. In a dogfight, the Hurricane was every bit as good as the Spitfire.”.
He and many other pilots believed that the Hurricane’s stabil-ity as a gun platform came from its thick, straight wing and the close clustering of the guns just outside the propellor arc. Where-as the Spitfire jittered when in the target’s slipstream, and the re-coil from its widely spaced guns tended to throw off one’s aim, the Hurricane was as steady as if it was riding on rails.
From the moment the two aircraft were introduced into RAF service, Spitfire pilots tended to look down their noses at those who were ‘unfortunate’ enough to get stuck with Hurricanes. It is interesting to note that even Luftwaffe aircrew suffered from “Spitfire snobbery” They had been led to believe that the Spitfire was much the superior aircraft, and after being shot down and captured, insisted that they could only have been bested by a Spitfire rather than the lowly Hurricane.
A similar snobbery is evident in the apocryphal story of a conversation between Hermann Goring and Adolf Galland. The former, supposedly, asked the latter what he needed to win the Battle of Britain, and the reply was “A wing of Spitfires”. During that Battle, Hurricanes actually accounted for more enemy aircraft than all other air defences combined. Perhaps, if that exchange ever actually took place, Galland should have asked for a wing of Hurricanes.
Although Hurricanes were directed primarily against bomb-ers, while the Spitfires went after the covering fighters, in prac-tice, the situation was much more fluid. When engaged in fighter-vs-fighter combat, the Hurricane had only a marginally lower ‘kill ratio’ than the Spitfire; however, the Hurricane pilot had a better chance of surviving being shot down.
Altogether, some 14,251 Hurricanes were built, including a large number by Canadian Car and Foundry. They served in every theatre in which Commonwealth forces were engaged, including with the RCAF in Canada. Although withdrawn from UK-based Fighter Command units in late 1941, it soldiered on in front-line service in other theatres until the end of the war. It was employed as a fighter, fighter-bomber, tank-destroyer (when fitted with two underwing 40 mm cannon), photo reconnaissance, from aircraft carriers (as the Sea Hurricane) and was even cata-pulted off merchant vessels (CAM ships) for convoy protection against air attack.
While the Spitfire was extensively developed and modified during its service to enhance its performance, the Hurricane was not. Although progressively more powerful versions of the Mer-lin were installed, the airframe remained basically unchanged. There were 12 marks, and several sub-models; however, these largely defined where they were built, armament fit, or which Merlin variant was installed.
Hurricanes were supplied to more than a dozen other coun-tries, including 2952 (although not all arrived due to losses on convoys) to the USSR, and at least 30 Soviet pilots became aces flying this aircraft. The only Victoria Cross won in Fighter Com-mand was by Hurricane pilot J. B. Nicholson on 17 Aug 1940 who, despite being wounded, his aircraft badly damaged and on fire, pressed home his attack on a Bf-110, destroyed it, and parachuted to safety.
Suffice it to say, that without the contribution of this often under-rated aircraft, the Battle of Britain would have been lost and who knows what the world might look like today!
My information is from books I've read. I'd be glad to post some titles when I get home. I notice your quote from an art website.
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However, I have paid my 15$ also for access to chan 200 so if you do fly like that, be prepared to hear something about it. :D
my sentiments exactly.
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BS to the NTH degree. When I asked Dan for help with the 38 I was told any time he was on just ask. Wasn't just him either his whole squad.... and a few from the other 38 squads.
Your barking up the wrong tree here bub.
I think PfactorD was speaking about me but he's wrong. I have always given help to those that have asked, not just in flying the P-38 but in ACM as well.
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I go to the AvA quite a bit to get away from MA flying style, 90% of pilots in the MA won't HO or pick, and are a pleasure to fight
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I go to the AvA quite a bit to get away from MA flying style, 90% of pilots in the MA won't HO or pick, and are a pleasure to fight
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:huh
think he means if you avoid it...least for the HO. as far as the picking goes, i agree :huh.
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yo, buster, dont give away our secrets, they'll all start showing up and ruin it!! :D
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The information from help and trainers pages could be rolled into a .pdf "flight manual" which could be posted on the downloads page or somewhere that's easily accessible and could be printed out.
unless something has changed a great bit, Hammer had made and prob still is in the process of making each and every page or article of the Trainers website very user & printer friendly.
He has been making it to where you can download each page in Word Doc or PDF format and some pages made printer friendly.....
Karaya, for as long as I have been a Trainer, Sir, I can not recall anything like you posted in the below quoted text:
I've gone as far as to literally say "What do I need to do to become a Trainer?" IDGAF about the "free this, free that." But I was met with a very stern "Thanks, but no thanks."
I am not saying it did not happen, just that I do not recall it, probably was before I came along in to the training corps......
as for there being enough Training materials, Trainers, etc..to accomodate each and every individual, I am most certian HTC & the AHTC hates to not be able to assist everyone in a timely manner. I do know that all of us ( HTC & the Training Corps ) have worked diligently with some side tracks to bring forth a thorough Training program for everyone to benefit from...... however something of this magnitude takes a bit of time to make sure it is going to be useful and serve the purpose it must! and not be just another off-beat way of offering training to all......
I hope that last paragraph makes some sort of sense......
I know for my own self, I have not been available much to anyone, to help them "ingame" working on any problems they might have. I hope to change that as Winter closes in on us, though.....
Yossarian/MCWATT........ I second m00t's answer to oyur post.......
What would be very beneficial to this whole community ( both ingame players & the AH BBS ) is to make it where a new subscriber to the game has to also sign up for the Aces High Messageboards. Their are an enormous amount of players in game who never come and read these boards or are even know that they exist.
When a new user subscribes to Aces High game, they should be offered a messageboard membership and be directed to the Trainers website and help pages at the same time they are subscribing or opening a new account.... just my opinion anyhows......
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What a joke, when the MWA reaches a point that its tardlets in bunches its time to evaluate where the game is going. My 90 day clock is on, fas as I can see we're reaching the point that its devolved to a total waste of time.
dam snap.......i got kilt by ya once,....then was in on you in ur a20......after that, i tried to call ya on open channel to see if we could go to another base to get a couple fights in.......any chance ur gonna be on tomorrow?
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It seems like I remember AW said who killed who.
Warbirds did that and still does it "Kill of Impakt by Kung Fu in a Yak-3". THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO HERE. There are endless disputes at Warbirds---when a crotchety "top stick" gets shot down (seemingly by skill or not) there follows the obligatory explanation: "H-O", or "Vulch", or "bounced," "gang banged," "rammed". This quickly descends into a chaos of name calling and duel requests. There is NO incentive to RTB---why not rack up 5 kills and if you get killed --so what everyone sees the 5 to 1 ratio. I recently (within the last year) came to this game from Warbirds and I found the fact that (1) needed to land to get name in lights, (2) needed 2 kills, (3) only your success is reported not someone else's failure----VERY REFRESHING. Trust me the other way is unpleasant----200 here is tame.
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dam snap.......i got kilt by ya once,....then was in on you in ur a20......after that, i tried to call ya on open channel to see if we could go to another base to get a couple fights in.......any chance ur gonna be on tomorrow?
would have been happy to, just do a ".f snaphook" to see if i'm up...
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where do i find this information about the 38's? i think AKAK said s.a.a.p had something online
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Thats a fair question and i'll try and give you an answer.
There are plenty of times that "ganging" is appropriate in the context of the game. Circumstances rarely give you a truly equal fight....IMO if a winging pair initiate winging tactics thats fine. If one engages solo and then the wingie engages later I find that to be unsportsmanlike. I'll give a specific example to illustrate....
I do not understand. It is okay to gang up on a single if you do so right at the start, but unfair if there is a delay before the ganging begins? :huh
Tactically, it makes some sense for one of the pair to keep his E and serve as lookout, UNLESS the engaged fighter needs a hand.
IOW, if you think all engagements in the MA should be 1v1, say so. Otherwise I don't understand the point of hair-splitting about the particular method by which two players gang a single to death.
If it becomes an actual rule of the MA that we shall engage like the ancient samurai did (each picks out his own opponent and fights to the finish), then sure, I will obey. I know this is not currently a rule, because I get attacked by superior numbers or picked out of an engagement frequently.
We have a place for engaging under equal conditions, with all variables except the pilots evened out. It is called the DA, and is very enjoyable. Presumably the MA is SUPPOSED to be about multi-aircraft engagements under random conditions of advantage/disadvantage. That certainly seems to be the way HTC has designed it.
And IMO, it is also enjoyable.
Another common complaint I do not understand is about the numbers of low ENY aircraft. We let players freely have very good aircraft, then expect that these aircraft will not be more common in the MAs than lesser rides? Doesn't make much sense. Yet most BBS posters also reject any attempt to give a light perk price to any additional aircraft.
However, I agree wholeheartedly, sometimes it DOES seem like you are either in a horde or being horded to death. Although one can usually find an equal sized dar bar in the LW. I have also noticed that one often finds friendlies obligingly clearing one's 12 o'clock. This is very annoying. I'd like to think that it is mostly a lack of communications leading to the intervening friendly not realizing that one has the situation well in hand, and could be rectified with better use of comms. That is probably looking at the problem through rose-colored glasses though.
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Warbirds did that and still does it "Kill of Impakt by Kung Fu in a Yak-3". THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO HERE. There are endless disputes at Warbirds---when a crotchety "top stick" gets shot down (seemingly by skill or not) there follows the obligatory explanation: "H-O", or "Vulch", or "bounced," "gang banged," "rammed". This quickly descends into a chaos of name calling and duel requests. There is NO incentive to RTB---why not rack up 5 kills and if you get killed --so what everyone sees the 5 to 1 ratio. I recently (within the last year) came to this game from Warbirds and I found the fact that (1) needed to land to get name in lights, (2) needed 2 kills, (3) only your success is reported not someone else's failure----VERY REFRESHING. Trust me the other way is unpleasant----200 here is tame.
the explanation thing still happens here.
i was chatting with an enemy whilst i was otw the fight. i get to the fight, see 2 cons on a friendly. i drop in, and one breaks......2 or 3 turns later, i pop the other one. the guy comes on, saying something like "knew i was gonna get picked". i'm not naming names, because i enjoyed our conversation, and i probably frustrated the guy by doing that. fact is, though, that i wasn't more than 1 or 2 k higher than the fight to begin with, and that i was helping a countryman.
unless asked to stay our, i will ALWAYS help a country man.....especailly seeing as they help me whenever i ask.
and for the record, the same happened to me not an hour after that.......i was fighting an a20......saw the zeek commin, but thought i could finish the a20 first. i was wrong, although i DID see some really really important parts come off of it.
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would have been happy to, just do a ".f snaphook" to see if i'm up...
i'm otw philly to work my night job......i'll look for ya if i get home early enough tonight.......
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I actually find myself agreeing with Impakt, scary. Keep it impersonal. After all, most of the time in WWII you wouldn't know which individual pilot you were facing. I wouldn't mind if the text buffer messages were "You have shot down P-51D/P-51D shot you down" etc. If one is really interested in who it is, you can always record and watch the film later.
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BNZ I think Humble's saying that it's butting in if you upset the established order of a 1:1 when you break the apparent gentlemen's agreement to stay off.
It's a pretty grey area IMO. Separate issue from MW getting as dweeby as LW.
No names would alienate people too much, I think... Maybe have it as a post-flight tally in the tower... On one of those chalkboards maybe? No inflight kill confirmations, maybe keep the landing ch6 message.
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BNZ I think Humble's saying that it's butting in if you upset the established order of a 1:1 when you break the apparent gentlemen's agreement to stay off.
It's a pretty grey area IMO. Separate issue from MW getting as dweeby as LW.
My point was that not committing two planes when one will presumably do the job, and only sending in the second plane if the enemy pilot IS the Red Baron is a sound strategy.
Lots of talk about timidity goes on. I see some of that, but I see at least as much stupid and undisciplined aggression and overcommitment to a particular engagement without sufficient analysis of the whole situation (A flaw I especially see in myself!). I also think most AH players are if anything too proud to call for a hand until too late (another flaw I see in myself).
It is pretty clear that how the game objectives are set up is what leads to a lot of dweebyness. We all know most jabo and capture attacks are carried out in lemming fashion, with little expectation of or attempt at survival if opposition is met. I don't have any magic bullets. I think my pet idea of making strategic bombing important to the "war", thus also making the jobs of escorts and interceptors important, would help a little.
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I would agree and think that this is probably the biggest factor.
The information needed for a new player is not readily available or may seem confusing where to get it, it can take some time just to learn how to get into the BBS and how to use it to even start searching for information. The website could be a little more user freindly and informative.
Might even be a good idea for AH to have newcomers to complete a survey or questionaire after their first billing cycle to get some needed feed back on how and where they could improve.
You know, Customer Service.... :D
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where do i find this information about the 38's? i think AKAK said s.a.a.p had something online
Send Dan/CorkyJr a PM about joining S.A.P.P. If you can pass the rigorous initiation and training, you'll get the key to the S.A.P.P Library of Knowledge and all the free access to our vast collection of sheep porn...err I mean P-38 information. Join now and the margarita mixer installation is free, so ACT NOW!
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I do not understand. It is okay to gang up on a single if you do so right at the start, but unfair if there is a delay before the ganging begins? :huh
Otherwise I don't understand the point of hair-splitting about the particular method by which two players gang a single to death.
I'd much rather deal with a winged pair (or even 3) from the outset than the randomness of a 1 v 1 becoming 1 v 2+
But... it's the main arena <shrug>.
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where do i find this information about the 38's? i think AKAK said s.a.a.p had something on line
no insult intended !!!
i would like to see you in a 38!!!
that would be very refreshing :aok
maybe then you would understand why they travel together more than alone,
not because they have too but because they like too,
i myself am not all that good in them, but i love too fly them!
it is very rewarding too get kills in them!
now on a diff. subject:
i like flying with my squadmates , not because i have to but because i like too!
your group brings different planes to every fight, you will be in a hurri!!
your mates are almost always a p-51,a Zeke,and spit!
i like to fight any one of your group, just not all at the same time in those planes, by myself!
this is also very gammy( those planes never flew together as a squad in real life :rofl
try all upping the same plane and fly like they did in the war, it is a game based on WW2!
a single type of planes cannot compete against that type of group, 38's or any other type of aggressor plane will most likely not be able too defend itself against all those different planes at once, unless they stay high and pick at them.
so the answer is close the base, or overwhelming force! or alt. and pick
i guess if the makers of this game did not want us to capture bases and win the war, they would not have made it possible, there would just be a bunch of D.A. arenas with 1v1 or 2v2 fights and the big lake for the furball. :huh
you have lost me here, i don't understand if you want 1v1 dogfights, or reality based mid war battles,
the only thing i have figured out for sure is that you don,t like me or my freinds LOL
but i do get that it could just be that you don't like the way we play!
where did they post those rules that said no base captures? no winning the war? no squads that work toghether?
when you find the answer tell the bish that fly all night doing the same thing only against no defenders!
i had a great time the other morning about 4 texas time 12 bish no rooks just me and a buddy, i racked up almost 100 perk points just killing the bish stoping them from takeing some bases.they just kept coming back, feeding the machine, and griping because i was killing them :rofl :rofl
they kept typing get in a plane and fight try that :rofl :rofl
i guess they didn't know anything else. and not once did i complain about the "horde" other than to make a little fun at them and comment on who was on that roster
yet pilots that are loners, and are good at it don't seem to mind that we travel toghether, and they don't mind the many targets we represent either, as they pick there way thru our bombers or fighters and kill our m-3's and or goons, yet i never complain about them, i just go on about my mission, sometimes from the tower,,,"NKL5" :furious :furious<<S>> atleast with him i know that it will just be him and his stupid song, and when i kill him he probably won't be gripping about it on 200, or in here!
please make no mistake i am not complaining about your group either, just the 200 whine fest that comes along at some point in most of the fights! i think 200 is a bad idea, but then again i can turn it off. what i have not figured out is how to turn off all channel, it needs to be gone, like it is in LW so the whine fest can be muted
another thing that i must have missed is were these rule of engagement are written, and are they based on standing orders from WW2 command, or just some idea of chivalry that died during WW1, for those types of fights there are other arena's(D.A.)
i would venture to say that no allied pilot in WW2 was authorized to engage enemy's 1v1 when there were others to help, the loss of even a single pilot or plane to this kind of foolishness would not have been tolerated, and any flight commander who allowed it would not have been a commander much longer!
so from what i gather, the people that are complaining, don't really want reality gaming, based on actual WW2 operations, they want the dogfights of WW1, but then again i don't think all that many of those were really all that glamorous, and i doubt that the WW1 aces really let too many kills go, because there guns jammed, or they were low on fuel, and most of them died to the horde, because they thought they were better than all the rest and flew off into very bad odds alone,or tried to show off in a 1v1 when they didn't have too!! imagine if they had stayed with there squads, and lived to be old men, WW2 might have turned out differently all together. of course it might have never happened at all
P.S. by the time i finished this i started to erase it, thinking it was me doing the whining, but i put to much effort into it to do so!
also this is not directed just at lazydog, i really used to like to fly with him, but he seems to not feel the same way. my loss, but i will play the way i feel the game is meant to be played, and try to enjoy it as much as possible, and when i no longer enjoy it, i will go play something else! :salute
WWhiskey, out
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WWhiskey , I did not know we was fighting in WWII
I thought Aces High was a premier place for "simulating" WWII COMBAT EXPERIENCE:- Air Combat
- Land Combat
- Sea Combat
- with its foundation always from the begining, based on Aerial Combat
not win the flag.......however the AHTC helps people in whatever area they want to learn, but the empasis has always been placed on proper BFM/ACM tactics.....
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well there whiskey now that you made that sound so warm and cozy.when i was a knit there was plenty times when there was a cv at a base and there was a good fight going on you guys had to sink it.when we asked not to. same thing when our sqaud was flying to a field trying to find a fight you guys came in and attacked the field drop all the hangers then all that was lefted was to shoot the damn buildings sorry not into that then i watched not just single players but whole sqauds either leave MIDWAR or switch to the knights leaving not much left to do but attack fields.so we posted in our forum at the end of that tour we we're switching from the knights. well as you know we lost a lot of guys because of this thats fine they want to play that way thats there deal . and when i switched i caught first hand why the other countrys were complaining about the way the knights would come in at times 15 to 20 strong against a couple defenders damn ive seen more c47s then there was defenders at a couple fields that to me isnt fair play then there were high alt fighters to pick any uppers till the 5 or 6 sets of lanc's drop every hanger on the base and now tell me why you would think that anyone would be happy or have fun with odds like that.
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No question its a gray area and my opinion is just that...mine. Doesn't make it right or wrong...just 1 persons opinion. What I do see is a degradation of the games fundamentals that IMO is irreversible. Basically the game has been dumbed down in every aspect to minimize the level of skill required for "success" in order to maintain a player base. The result is that the vast majority of "old school" players have moved on. At the current rate within a few years we'll all be gone.
To me this is typical of "game play" in its current state...
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10 years ago I'd say 90% of the people who play the game had my utmost respect...today I'd say that I have little overall respect for a majority of the player base...
edited to be a bit more PC
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at times 15 to 20 strong against a couple defenders damn ive seen more c47s then there was defenders at a couple fields that to me isnt fair play........till the 5 or 6 sets of lanc's drop every hanger on the base and now tell me why you would think that anyone would be happy or have fun with odds like that.
Speaking of which, some other changes the vast majority of AH players apparently reject are:
1. Any measure whatsoever to make it easier to intercept heavy bombers and harder to for them to toolshed a base to death. Such as perking formations, making defensive fire less effective by unlinking guns, adding mannable flak 88s to bases, or making it nessecary for level bombers to climb to at least 10K before they can drop their bombs.
2. Any measure whatsoever to make incessant NOE horde missions less effective, namely, letting DAR coverage go all the way to the ground.
It is that way with any numbers of things. Many players dislike the types of gameplay certain conditions of the MA game lead to, yet (If posts on this board are representative) are unwilling to change the game any in order to change the play.
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To me this is typical of "game play" in its current state...
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film77.ahf
You flew very well Snap, landed some shots on the Spit. The fact that you got into an unfortunate situation, got shot by a plane you didn't see coming (maybe???)...so what? It doesn't invalidate the good flying you did before or your generally great skill as a pilot. Are you THAT frustrated that you didn't get to apply the coup de gras to the Spixteen? Come on man, you are flying a freakin' SBD around as a fighter in the LW MA to show off what a hot stick you are. (Note: There is nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is.) And shooting down planes in it frequently enough. So what is the big horrible bug in your soup when it comes to the game?
I truly doubt most people who buy a subscription to something called "Aces High" are completely uninterested in "the art of dogfighting." Maybe they are bad at it...maybe it is counter-intuitive to most, maybe most lack the talent to ever be as good as the best sticks in this game. Myself, I have about a dozen ACM "self-help" sites in the bookmarks, over a hundred films, most of them downloaded from the H&T forum, my copy of Shaw is already very worn from reading, and I probably spend about 2 hours flying some kind of practice for every hour spent flying in the arenas...not the action of a man disinterested in ACM. But I am interested in applying what I learn *effectively* in the right context in the MA. And despite all of this, I am still very often dissatisfied with my own performance. When a sortie goes badly, I try to analyze what was wrong with my approach, rather than what is wrong with the game or how other people play it.
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well there whiskey now that you made that sound so warm and cozy.when i was a knit there was plenty times when there was a CV at a base and there was a good fight going on you guys had to sink it.when we asked not to. same thing when our squad was flying to a field trying to find a fight you guys came in and attacked the field drop all the hangers then all that was lefted was to shoot the damn buildings sorry not into that then i watched not just single players but whole squads either leave MIDWAR or switch to the knights leaving not much left to do but attack fields.so we posted in our forum at the end of that tour we we're switching from the knights. well as you know we lost a lot of guys because of this that's fine they want to play that way that's there deal . and when i switched i caught first hand why the other country's were complaining about the way the knights would come in at times 15 to 20 strong against a couple defenders damn Ive seen more c47s then there was defenders at a couple fields that to me isn't fair play then there were high alt fighters to pick any uppers till the 5 or 6 sets of Lang's drop every hanger on the base and now tell me why you would think that anyone would be happy or have fun with odds like that.
maybe i didn't make everything clear we never care or cared if it was 20v20 or 20v2 that's not what we do or why we do it, we like to take bases and win wars, when we want to fight we go to the D.A. so yes if there was a CV we sank it, if there is a threat we try to get rid of it, if we want to take a map we level it!
if you don't like it, take down the ord ,stop us from being able to!
as far as switching sides, i have said before, my group always fly's knights, we always have, and i don't expect us to change anytime soon.
the only real problem i see is the fact that the knights get overloaded with players sometimes, just as the bish and the rooks, maybe the eny should be more aggressive, say 20v2 disables all flight or something! ( i can't believe i just said that) that would stop the problem, at least as i see it! then again maybe not, because the side switchers could then stop a country from defending itself, like alot of them seem to be doing now!( the numbers are not always what they seem)
as for you,, do you want 1v1 dogfights, 2v12 5v7, 10 v 17 , your complaint against me does not solve your problem, do you want to shoot at bombers or have a ground battle, whatever it is, if you don't do the prep work to set up the battle,(I.E. ords, hangers,) then chances are you are not going to get what you want out of it!
i am sure you know i like to GV fight, but if i don't go pork your base, one of your guy,s ( that probably died by my hand in a tank)will bomb my tank, is that his fault? should i tell him on 200 what an #$% he is for not playing fair?
or should i go take down the ords?
just tell us all what you really want!!
i might add that flying around in mid war killing the same 10 guys, or being killed by some other 10 guys all the time would really be boring, but i am sure you know that since i see your side trying to re create our way of taking bases, with mass bomber missions, possibly to win a map if for no other reason than to get a different one! lord knows we don't do it for the perks.
maybe the limit allowed into mid should reflect the number of players on each side, also the side switching should be changed tho i don't no what to change it to, i just thought it was funny that when we stop attacking your side you suddenly switch to whatever side we are attacking, no matter what the numbers are
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Snaphook, I have complete respect for your opinions and how you fly - you've shown me so much in your films which are very insightful and educational. While I agree that it's a shame to get "picked" after engaging in a good 1v1 I still look at it like this... Someone saved your opponent from getting shot down, he was helping his countryman out by clearing his six. Now, as unfortunate for you as it may be, the guy can't really be faulted for helping a teammate out UNLESS said teammate wanted to stick out the 1v1 until the death. Thus the situation would have been that he was robbed of his potential kill or simply finishing off an honourable duel.
It's really HARD to ensure that all your fights will be fair - in fact, I find that impossible. You put yourself at a disadvantage initially by flying an SBD against a Spit 16... of course your skills really make up for that - but you fell victim to what is common in the MA...
Again, I respect what you stand for and how you approach the game - I wish to someday become proficient in ACM in all planes vs anything that comes my way... but I still realize that teamwork is a VITAL aspect of the game and it works both ways - if you fly solo, expect to get ganged... wing with another and you can stand a good chance against most of the opposition that comes your way... fly in a formation (squad size... group size... etc..) and you can potientially *dominate* whatever you encounter.
In the end - I support the idea that this is a game that allows for many play styles. I'm grateful to be surrounded by a community of many of such styles as it keeps me on my toes. There are, of course, issues in the game that are somewhat painful (HOing, vulching, etc...) but there really are no rules against them, just an expectancy that they won't happen. Everyone should continue to respect each other's willingness to log in and partake in the game. Do what makes YOU happy, that's why I fly AH. :salute
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Qrsu,
It's hard to really clearly define the problem, its not really an issue of a 1 on 1 being busted up. I'll just look to WWhiskey's post. This isnt aimed at him or his squad but this is my take on the reality. There never is a "20-20". Not a single one of the "big" squads on any side rides to the sound of the guns any more. You can look at a map with 400+ folks on it and see hordes on all 3 sides. Now this is going to the MWA where you'll see the same thing. Even a year ago you'd often see great squad on squad/side on side action. Now what we see are 20+K hordes often on there own side of the line unless they have 4-5/1 odds. From what I see the MWA has suffered the same fate as the old CT....its been infested by squads that cant function in the LWA arena's but can horde a map with low #'s in the MWA...basically the small fish/smaller pond syndrome.
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Qrsu,
It's hard to really clearly define the problem, its not really an issue of a 1 on 1 being busted up. I'll just look to WWhiskey's post. This isnt aimed at him or his squad but this is my take on the reality. There never is a "20-20". Not a single one of the "big" squads on any side rides to the sound of the guns any more. You can look at a map with 400+ folks on it and see hordes on all 3 sides. Now this is going to the MWA where you'll see the same thing. Even a year ago you'd often see great squad on squad/side on side action. Now what we see are 20+K hordes often on there own side of the line unless they have 4-5/1 odds. From what I see the MWA has suffered the same fate as the old CT....its been infested by squads that cant function in the LWA arena's but can horde a map with low #'s in the MWA...basically the small fish/smaller pond syndrome.
that's part of why i was a lil upset last night, when i didn't pm ya in time for a good fight.
when you ame into the action over A5, it had only been recent that we pushed the fight back to there. yaks, qsru, and me were defending A4, from 5 or 6. hell, qsru tried to engage a spixteen, flown by hitman. this guy refused to engage Q, but dove for speed, trying to reel me in. i think he thought i didn;t know he was there. he chased me for close to a sector, before i finally rolled over and inned him. i was in a PJ, against his spixteen. whelp....all this guy had was the HO. every re-merge, he tried face shooting me. finally on the 4th(i think) pass, i gave up trying to avoid it, and returned fire. i got the white message saying he collided with me, and lost my left wing(no orange message telling me i hit him, so i figured he landed rounds on me), but he went in. i hadda bail. re-upped, and headed north for some alt and speed. came back, found a zeek, being very well flown by kostic. i knew i couldn't even remotly attemp to ruen with him, so i tried e-fighting him. ,,,,,pour on the coals, if he presented a shot, i took it..if not, i did a shallow climb, rolled over, and tried again. after a couple of these, and i did nick him on one of those passes, i get picked by a high 38. re-up, get als n speed, go for the 38, and he runs..or extends...till we're outta wep, and eventually kills me. at least that was fun. but when i re-upped agian, he just ran. he really NEEDED to see his name in lights i guess. shortly after that, though, we managed to push the fighting back to 5. there were a few fun fights there, but everyone was getting picked.....i REALLY need to learn to 1) pay attentiohn when someone warns me that there's a con on my six, and 2) when to cut n run. i died way too much last night, because i didn;t do those two things. i was stayin in the 38G for those fights, as although she's a bit slow, she can sorta kinda turn with the types of planes the defenders were flying in.
BTW......kostic....if you read the forums......sorry 'bout that pick.......you were verticle, and literally filled my gunsight....i couldn't NOT squeez the trigger on that one.
snap.......try to not get dissillusioned in MW. we need good sticks like you in there. in some of my other posts, i was lumping you in with the 80th guys, and the sapp guys.......and i seriously did enjoy that fight a couple weeks ago, and the ensueing conversation. guys like you are the ones that make this game fun. just hang in there......the horde thing'll pass, i think.
lazy......YOU'RE gonna get outta that hurri o deth????????? :aok :aok
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Snaphook,
Roger. I understand what you mean. I was just responding because I see a lot of people accusing people of having no skill because they need someone to clear their six or that they are the ones who clear someone's six for an 'easy' kill... I just wanted to point out that it's pretty much guaranteed to happen in the LWA (MWA is probably a little different, but it IS a main arena after all). I just wish we could all just get along, respect eachothers flying skills and style; more importantly LEARN and grow from our experiences from encounters with people such as yourself. :salute
Qrsu
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so it comes down to landgrabbers vs furballers whiskey?
So many arguments come back to this and the part that always gets me is that landgrabbers grief furballers. Good furball going? Forget about it, a griefer will be along shortly. Furballers don't ruin any landgrabbers fun with maybe the exception when landgrabbers are whining that everyone is wasting their time furballing over FT/TT and their precious bases are all being taken back.
Seems a little lopsided, huh?
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so it comes down to landgrabbers vs furballers whiskey?
So many arguments come back to this and the part that always gets me is that landgrabbers grief furballers. Good furball going? Forget about it, a griefer will be along shortly. Furballers don't ruin any landgrabbers fun with maybe the exception when landgrabbers are whining that everyone is wasting their time furballing over FT/TT and their precious bases are all being taken back.
Seems a little lopsided, huh?
whelp.......to play devils advocate here..........furballers, WILL eventually drop and start shooting at wirbles, tanks, aqnd m3's. especially seeing as that the wribles sit there, and try to pick off the furballers if there's no ground-bound targets.
the squadron i used to be in, used to love running the map, especially when we were mostly in EW. still did when we first came to MW. BUT.....they'd ask for help. if we all got together to do it, good..if not....o well.
the squad i'm in now likes to set up coordinated attacks on bases, and take em. same thing. if they cll for help, and we all come, then good. if only some of us come, then good.
i fail to see the problem in either case. there's ALWAYS a good fight, in the air, and/or on land. sometimes having a cv near a coastal base makes for incredible fights.
now, i know somwone's gonna come and say ""well, when they drop the hangars, then there can't be a fight"". well.....i know a lot of you guys like defending too. BUT,,,,,here's the key. if you even REMOTLY suspect a coordinated attack comming, why exactly does EVERYONE wait till the last second to defend? and then complain about the 16k lancs?
you pretty much knew an attack was OTW, simply by the bardar. there should've already been fighters launched. a spit can easily be to 16 or 17k before lancs get there. even if they get their first drop off, they shouldn't get their second drop. with proper defence, there should never be all of the fighter hangars down at one time.
everyone complains that ""you guys interfere with my fun because you don't play like i do!!""
well......adapt. try to spoil their fun. that's what's going to make the fun fights.
me personally? sometimes i'm in the mood, where i'll load rockets and bombs under my wings, and go blow things up. sometimes i jump in lancs, and make lots of things go BOOM. other times, i just like to furball.
no matter how ya cut it, these ALL are part of the fight, especially near a base. they all support the squad action too, just like a coordinated defence will support the defenders squads.
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""well, when they drop the hangars, then there can't be a fight"". well.....i know a lot of you guys like defending too. BUT,,,,,here's the key. if you even REMOTLY suspect a coordinated attack comming, why exactly does EVERYONE wait till the last second to defend? and then complain about the 16k lancs?
you pretty much knew an attack was OTW, simply by the bardar. there should've already been fighters launched. a spit can easily be to 16 or 17k before lancs get there.
There still remain various problems Cap. We can start with the fact that because of the way buff formations work in AHII, intercepting buff formations is generally less rewarding than attacking fighters, so people don't. DAR and Radar is completely vague on type of incoming and altitude, two things which are not true historically.
It would help defenders know if they should up dedicated interceptors and position for buff hunting or prepare for a fighter sweep.
And too many of the types who launch "coordinated attacks" go somewhere else if the first wave fails. It is so common for defenders to see one wave come in, position themselves to defend against the next wave, only to see the huge dar bar move to some other base.
I'm not a "everyone should fly all fighters all the time" snob, but the game IS called "Aces High" and I wish the issue of which side was winning the struggle for air superiority in the furball was more indicative of who was winning the battle.
And the Spit is not a good interceptor...it can get up there fast alright, but is not tough, not especially heavily armed, doesn't have a large ammo load out, has a limited time on station, and is a bit slower than one would like for chasing high B-24s running balls-to-the-wall.
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The controlling variable is the ability to mount a defense, regardless of the arena. Now in the MWA you commonly see some significant variation in numbers with the least #'d side at a big disadvantage. More often then not the sides are clustered such that you either are flying at a severe disadvantage or with overwhelming odds. I upped last night and switched to the low side and tried to find a decent fight...
Here is the 1st hop...
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film78.ahf
and the 2nd...
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film79.ahf
Now by this time there were at least 6-7 cons, I upped an FM-2 and promptly got ganged...so I logged. To me this is the simple equation, if there is one of me and 5-6 of you then you can either give me a reasonable chance for a fun time or not. If you dont then i'll log...but the truth is that for me and a lot of others we're awful close to just leaving. I've quit 4-5 times or more but when I go this time I wont be coming back...
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Haven't had a chance to watch the films just yet, but again I get what your saying and I sympathize. There's no reason for 5-6 guys to chase down 1 guy... that's different from what I mentioned before of having one guy clear another's six...
When I see the fight is in our favor... 2/3/4 on 1 or more I skirt the fight and look for something else, no reason to lose altitude or speed to chase down someone who's already screwed.
Snaphook, before you call it a day and leave AH for good (which I hope doesn't happen) - I have to ask one question: do you always fly solo? If so, are your expectations always to find a fair 1v1 in the arenas? I just know that when I fly solo and commit to one guy that unless I can finish him off quickly there will always be a number of cons in the area looking to swoop down and get me while I'm committed.
I just suggest try to fly with a group of guys, winged as a pair at the very least, so that it's not just you vs the world. I find fights become more controllable and enjoyable with a wingman, someone to watch your six incase someone you didnt see starts coming down on your six.
Not judging your style whatsoever, it's just clear that you're burnt out because of the odd-numbers coming at you all the time. No matter how good you are in a 1v1, you know there's likely to be more so why not bring more? It's a learning experience and challenge in of itself, afterall... working as a team.
Hopefully you don't quit, Snaphook. I think it would be a great loss to the community if you did. :salute
Qrsu
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I agree Snap, I can't understand where the fun is in being one of 5 guys jumping all over a single con ! Its very rare you'll see me chasing a single with a bunch of other guys. If you do its because I was on him first and due to my aim being crap it gives half the arena time to hone in on my target :D
Some people are wayyyyy to much into either getting there names in lights, or up the scoreboards. If they last long enough, they will learn that the point of the game is "the fight". Whether in the air, on the ground, or taking bases, the "fight" is what should be the main idea. If you're trying to "win the war" FIGHT for it ! don't sneak in a NOE here, then jump over there for another and so on. Don't run away because the first wave didn't get it down, regroup and try again, its the fight that is fun. GVs are the same.... how much fun is it to sit at a spawn and pop off spawning GVs? Find a spot to ambush them in route to their target. It makes it more fun for both side as you look to get them before they find you, and they have the chance to defend themselves and break through. Or are the "great" GVers we have not up to fighting their way through?
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well this is all good but when this mostly goes on is before 6 pm and there's very low #s on the bish and rook side ill up against the horde and ill get my few kills sure .its funny i remember a sqaud the S.O.A.R.S in EW doing this and everyone in this game tore eaglehrt a new 1 and you read posts about this all the time in late war too. you wanna run maps your sqaud switch to low side then run it
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I've been here since the open Beta and was a part of the initial training corps here. I'm part of one of the larger squads in AH (70 or so total). If I wasnt in the squad I'd have left long ago to be honest, simply a great bunch. This isnt about me (or anyone else) staying or going...but the truth is that there are a lot of us who do feel the same way about the degradation of game play. There are also a bunch of others who have embraced the "new style"...so be it. Can I play the new way sure, but why? It takes minimal skill and requires a lot of artificial play to "succeed". Could I dust off the hog and do well in the MA's...sure. However to me thats going backward. I'm simply amazed that the entire concept of "fair play" appears to be leaving the game. What made the game special was the ability was the ACM vs real people (again just my opinion)...
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Just a thought:
Do people whine about how AI plays in some other type of offline games? Or do they find ways to beat or pass them?
If one's own enjoyment depends heavily on what other player do, one will have a hard time enjoying this game. We all are just game pieces to each other, but much more unpredictable ones than AI. That is what makes it interesting.
If one concentrates on doing what he enjoys despite of what others do, one may have fun.
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well this is all good but when this mostly goes on is before 6 pm and there's very low #s on the bish and rook side ill up against the horde and ill get my few kills sure .its funny i remember a sqaud the S.O.A.R.S in EW doing this and everyone in this game tore eaglehrt a new 1 and you read posts about this all the time in late war too. you wanna run maps your sqaud switch to low side then run it
hey dude....don;t forget....in EW, we used to do that too.
how many maps did we reset? i seem to remember a LOT. i;m not critisizng that, just pointing it out.
the soars, used to give us awsome fights too.
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The logic there is false. Sat morning in the LWA we had a great furball going till somebody sank the carrier. Now no one was trying to take the base and we had a reasonably balanced fight with 10-15 players a side. The carrier was far enough away that the puffy ack didnt ruin the fight but close enough to enable quick turn around time. People sink CV's, take down VH's or FH's all the time with no real purpose beyond ruining someone else's fun. As far as I'm concerned the answer is simple. A tactical arena with no formations, no heavies and limited capturability functions and a strategic arena with the AI set so the moment that the radar ring is tripped waves of AI fighters take off and hordes of AI bombers depart from rear bases to carpet bomb the attackers fields.
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I agree Snap, I can't understand where the fun is in being one of 5 guys jumping all over a single con ! Its very rare you'll see me chasing a single with a bunch of other guys. If you do its because I was on him first and due to my aim being crap it gives half the arena time to hone in on my target :D
Some people are wayyyyy to much into either getting there names in lights, or up the scoreboards. If they last long enough, they will learn that the point of the game is "the fight". Whether in the air, on the ground, or taking bases, the "fight" is what should be the main idea. If you're trying to "win the war" FIGHT for it ! don't sneak in a NOE here, then jump over there for another and so on. Don't run away because the first wave didn't get it down, regroup and try again, its the fight that is fun. GVs are the same.... how much fun is it to sit at a spawn and pop off spawning GVs? Find a spot to ambush them in route to their target. It makes it more fun for both side as you look to get them before they find you, and they have the chance to defend themselves and break through. Or are the "great" GVers we have not up to fighting their way through?
personally, if i see 2 or more friendlies chasing a con, i ignore it, unless i'm asked for help.
just like everyone else, i do like to see my name in lights once in awhile, but i don't. i tend to fly till i loose too many parts to remain in flight, especially since i've been stayin in the 38. i flew it almost exclusivley last tour, and although i'd have been better off to bring a little wiggly plane to a couple of the fights i was in, so far this tour, i've stayed in it. gonna die my way to good fighting skills. :D :aok
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Yup... though I'm finding the boards are barely holding my interest now either.
Your not the only one thinking that pal. The boards are good for 2 minutes tops.......
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Your not the only one thinking that pal. The boards are good for 2 minutes tops.......
but yet, here you both are. :D
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Just a thought:
If one's own enjoyment depends heavily on what other player do, one will have a hard time enjoying this game. We all are just game pieces to each other, but much more unpredictable ones than AI. That is what makes it interesting.
If one concentrates on doing what he enjoys despite of what others do, one may have fun.
:aok Couldn't agree more.
Just the other afternoon, I logged and bootleg and I ended up upping from the same base that we saw had some kind of con coming into it and ended up chasing him down and got him (he didn't mind fighting both of us), then while RTB'ing we spotted a CV just off of the base. Well, I upped some bombers, bootleg a fighter I think, and I got some hits. I didn't sink it, but then a major fight ensued. After only having about 2 or 3 of them there, there were somewhere around 10 to include a few LVT's here and there. After broadcasting for some help, there ended up being 3 or 4 of us with PDMJ on the ground headed to the town. It was a great fight, I'd up, get shot down, and come back. This happened multiple times and it was fun. The only thing that irked me a little was the fact that when it was 3 or 4 or 5 to 1, I kept getting face shots while trying to outmaneuver which I did for a lot longer than expected. I never once complained about oh, you guys have 4 or 5 to 1 it's not fair. No, that doesn't matter. You know going in that you're probably not going to make it, and if those guys want to team up to take the base, give them a fight and if you lose it, oh well, THIS IS A GAME Now I understand some of the people playing for a while have their points on the skill level going down. Well, maybe if some of those folks quit complaining about that and like people have said time and time before, took some of these people under their wing even if they don't ask for it, things may be better. How about offering help instead of waiting for someone to ask you. I understand that there are trainers who have their thing and that's great, it's a wonderful tool. But, some of the guys that complain and say that they help people, have probably never offered help, they just sit back and wait for someone to ask them to bloat their ego up just a little more. There are way too many people wanting their name in lights, I agree with that. I also agree that "the fight" is more important than anything. What Whiskey and lazy said are both right, the Knights in MW usually have the numbers in the afternoons and evenings, but one night the other week when I wasn't tired, I got on in the wee hours of the morning to find that the bish did and were doing the same thing the Knights did earlier that day. There will come a day when the people that are playing now that hang around for 10 years are upset about how the up and coming players play the game as well, it's going to happen. Nobody will ever agree in this game on what tactics to use, whether landgrabbing, furballing, GV'ing or whatever is better. Just like Blauk said if you concentrate on what you enjoy doing, forget what the other guys are and have fun. There's times when I want to do any one of the aforementioned things, and I go do it and have fun. Can it be frustrating when the eny is through the roof or there's no hangar to leave from? Yeah, but you know what, I get over it and find a way around it, I either switch sides which hasn't happened much recently, find another plane, or find another base to leave from. Someone is always going to HO, Pick, Vulch, spawn camp, sink the CV, drop the hangars, gang, horde, and any other unimaginable blasphemy that can be committed in this game. The only thing you can do is shake your head and go about your business. As far as the MW squads being large fish in the small pond and not making it in the LW arenas, I have to disagree. The squad I'm with now does not get on much besides FSO's, so I'm not saying that it can happen. I do know that a few of us went into LW the other day and didn't do too bad. Some of those MW squads would probably do halfway decent, but that's the usual mentality you see and it has been brought up plenty here about people coming over to MW to find out that the guys that are there aren't that bad. What have I seen coming from LW to MW, a lot more people using different tactics some of them I don't agree with, but I get over it but from the time I spent in LW with another squad a while back, those were the tactics you had to use to survive. If the fields were not meant to be captured, they would all be outlined in little red boxes or there would be no troops. If the key is to have mainly air combat, which I'm sure that's the majority as it is now anyway, there wouldn't be VH's at every base. Ok, I'm done ranting for a little while, just had to get all of it that was saved up from the weekend out of my system.
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so it comes down to landgrabbers vs furballers whiskey?
So many arguments come back to this and the part that always gets me is that landgrabbers grief furballers. Good furball going? Forget about it, a griefer will be along shortly. Furballers don't ruin any landgrabbers fun with maybe the exception when landgrabbers are whining that everyone is wasting their time furballing over FT/TT and their precious bases are all being taken back.
Seems a little lopsided, huh?
granted this is roughly what it comes down to , but the fuballers have an arena of there own, i go there when i want to furball,
what arena is for the landgrabbers? my guess is the ones where land can be grabed!
also i love to defend when the numbers are bad for my side! if i have time i will get some alt and have a field day, if not i am in a gv waiting for someone to get to low and to near , or hiding waiting for the goon, the only way my fun gets ruined, is if they are good at what they do, then i end up in the tower alot!
to have a furball in any arena still is "fun", granted, and very easy to protect, first you kill ords all around then you fly at a distance ( vulching the planes coming to your furball is very bad form!) and at a reasonable altitude, then you wait for them to come, if you are winning the furball moves toward the enemy base, if not then it goes toward yours, but it will not be sustained in any of the war, arenas, no one will stay there and continue to get there planes shot out of the sky all day long!
then the furball always ends, after that , then what?
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The controlling variable is the ability to mount a defense, regardless of the arena. Now in the MWA you commonly see some significant variation in numbers with the least #'d side at a big disadvantage. More often then not the sides are clustered such that you either are flying at a severe disadvantage or with overwhelming odds. I upped last night and switched to the low side and tried to find a decent fight...
Here is the 1st hop...
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film78.ahf
and the 2nd...
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/film79.ahf
Now by this time there were at least 6-7 cons, I upped an FM-2 and promptly got ganged...so I logged. To me this is the simple equation, if there is one of me and 5-6 of you then you can either give me a reasonable chance for a fun time or not. If you dont then i'll log...but the truth is that for me and a lot of others we're awful close to just leaving. I've quit 4-5 times or more but when I go this time I wont be coming back...
Hey snap, you should not have logged, you should have upped a better plane for mulltipul con fighting and killed them all... at least tried to... I know what you are saying about the ganging, but that is why I take up the Hurri2c get above the hourde and try to kill them all, even then I most often dont but at least I get my kicks in, and sometimes I do come out alive with 5 or more killz, I fly solo 95% of the time, and I die to the Gang pretty much every time, but now it has become my goal to be able to fight as many as I can at one time and make it so they have to call for HELP :rofl and yes this has happened. recently I was fighting in LW, and I was having a good night, the NME knew I was around I got ganged by 3 or 4 killed them all, got picked on the last one, but Know what ? It was so worth it, on my return trip to the NME base where they where taking off, I had two cons who where flying together run away because it was me :lol, they acknowledged that they knew it was me and thats why they did not engage. Now how friggin cool is that.
Look I am just saying there are only so many "vets" in game, we have lost enough as it is and cant afford to loose anymore. It's the "vets" that give you the best fights, its the vets that wont jump on a con engaged allready, Its the Vets that give a <S> win or loose, its the Vets that will let a beat up plane RTB after a great fight, I am not saying that newer players wont do these things, but if they do, it was a "VET" that taught them what not to do!
Dont give in, dont let them defeat you because if you leave AH, thats just what they are doing. I know its only a "game" whatever no big deal... if you are any thing like me, then you most likely love this "game", so ya it is a big deal, dont quit dude, overcome.
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Just a thought:
Do people whine about how AI plays in some other type of offline games? Or do they find ways to beat or pass them?
If one's own enjoyment depends heavily on what other player do, one will have a hard time enjoying this game. We all are just game pieces to each other, but much more unpredictable ones than AI. That is what makes it interesting.
If one concentrates on doing what he enjoys despite of what others do, one may have fun.
not sure i could have put it any better than that!! :salute
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Snaphook, before you call it a day and leave AH for good (which I hope doesn't happen) - I have to ask one question: do you always fly solo? If so, are your expectations always to find a fair 1v1 in the arenas?
Nop, on Saturday he was with me for a bit. SBD and a 110. It was not all bad. As long as they were coming in waves of 3 and 4 at the time it was fun. Then every one disappeared so we headed towards A5. What happened next is what snap is talking about. No only we met with 7 guys coming in at the same time but the intent was to take us down at all costs, and I don;t mean by fighting. What could have been a fun fight ended right away since the first guy to get near me decided that he should fly his spit through my 110 while firing. Both died and I got the nice ram PM from him lol. Now imaging you up three times in a row and fly for 10 minutes to meet with that. That was 30 minutes of your life you will never get back lol
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Hey snap, you should not have logged, you should have upped a better plane for mulltipul con fighting and killed them all... at least tried to... I know what you are saying about the ganging, but that is why I take up the Hurri2c get above the hourde and try to kill them all, even then I most often dont but at least I get my kicks in, and sometimes I do come out alive with 5 or more killz, I fly solo 95% of the time, and I die to the Gang pretty much every time, but now it has become my goal to be able to fight as many as I can at one time and make it so they have to call for HELP :rofl and yes this has happened. recently I was fighting in LW, and I was having a good night, the NME knew I was around I got ganged by 3 or 4 killed them all, got picked on the last one, but Know what ? It was so worth it, on my return trip to the NME base where they where taking off, I had two cons who where flying together run away because it was me :lol, they acknowledged that they knew it was me and thats why they did not engage. Now how friggin cool is that.on your side, definatly cool. on their side, definitly stupid. how do they expect to get better if they don't fight the guy that's better than them?
that's why i keep fighting guys in my 38 now....and i KNOW they're better than i am, and i KNOW i should use a different tool for the kinds of fights i get in. i want to be better in the 38 though, and the only way is to fight anything in it.....well, that and lots of advice from the SAPP'rs.
Look I am just saying there are only so many "vets" in game, we have lost enough as it is and cant afford to loose anymore. It's the "vets" that give you the best fights, its the vets that wont jump on a con engaged allready, Its the Vets that give a <S> win or loose, its the Vets that will let a beat up plane RTB after a great fight, I am not saying that newer players wont do these things, but if they do, it was a "VET" that taught them what not to do!
Dont give in, dont let them defeat you because if you leave AH, thats just what they are doing. I know its only a "game" whatever no big deal... if you are any thing like me, then you most likely love this "game", so ya it is a big deal, dont quit dude, overcome.
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Fights were a bit thin yesterday for the most part. I found myself bailing to jump to another field with darbar quite often.
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The guys in question are outstanding sticks sometimes. It's not difficult for an excellent stick with an initial advantage to force someone entirely to the defensive. Now in a 1 on 1 I could care less what your in or how much alt/e you have. As long as i have 1500 ft I'm good to go...but in a scenario with multiple cons the one good stick can force your hand. Now put that into a situation where U have 2 or 3 excellent sticks and your cannon fodder for the other 3. Can you up a plane from another base sure...can U up a fast ride and maybe sneak off and then reengage...possibly. But what about just flying out and meeting em in sequence? Thats how it used to work. You could fly out and grab to 2-3K before somebody engaged you...if you won you took on the next guy. As a dar bar developed soon you'd have 2 guys then 3 and a little furball ensued. As attackers died the fight moved toward the middle bewtween the bases.
I flew in the AvA for a bit. The fight ended up centered over midway with almost no time for the allies to up. So you have the double superior zekes with alt & E right over the allied field much of the time. Now for an F4F to have a chance vs a zeke it needs a minimum of 3-4k of air to fight in vertical....and even then its over matched. The SBD can match up much better and is actually a pretty good fight vs the early zeke.
The reality is that this has devolved from an Air Combat sim into something less....
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quote from Cap
"on your side, definatly cool. on their side, definitly stupid. how do they expect to get better if they don't fight the guy that's better than them?
that's why i keep fighting guys in my 38 now....and i KNOW they're better than i am, and i KNOW i should use a different tool for the kinds of fights i get in. i want to be better in the 38 though, and the only way is to fight anything in it.....well, that and lots of advice from the SAPP'rs."
yup that is what I always thought "you gotta fight someone better to get better", you got a great attitude, and I look forward to meating you in the air!
BTW using that 38 is cheating :lol its got two engines :P
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Nop, on Saturday he was with me for a bit. SBD and a 110. It was not all bad. As long as they were coming in waves of 3 and 4 at the time it was fun. Then every one disappeared so we headed towards A5. What happened next is what snap is talking about. No only we met with 7 guys coming in at the same time but the intent was to take us down at all costs, and I don;t mean by fighting. What could have been a fun fight ended right away since the first guy to get near me decided that he should fly his spit through my 110 while firing. Both died and I got the nice ram PM from him lol. Now imaging you up three times in a row and fly for 10 minutes to meet with that. That was 30 minutes of your life you will never get back lol
I believe I gave you a couple of fair 1v1 fights on Saturday. I thought there were pretty honorable and fun :aok
Kostic
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I believe I gave you a couple of fair 1v1 fights on Saturday. I thought there were pretty honorable and fun :aok
Kostic
aahh...you DO read these.
sorry bout the pick, the one time i did....i couldn't resist. besides.....you had my countryman surrounded. :D
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quote from Cap
"on your side, definatly cool. on their side, definitly stupid. how do they expect to get better if they don't fight the guy that's better than them?
that's why i keep fighting guys in my 38 now....and i KNOW they're better than i am, and i KNOW i should use a different tool for the kinds of fights i get in. i want to be better in the 38 though, and the only way is to fight anything in it.....well, that and lots of advice from the SAPP'rs."
yup that is what I always thought "you gotta fight someone better to get better", you got a great attitude, and I look forward to meating you in the air!
BTW using that 38 is cheating :lol its got two engines :P
well, i went through a stint, where i let my attitude fall through the floor. i was working way too much(still am) but i try to make the best of this, as it's my temporary escape from reality/insanity.
2 engines isn't cheating. it's improvising. :D
it'll be fun for sure.......especially watching my parts falling into the cartoon ocean. :rofl
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I flew in the AvA for a bit. The fight ended up centered over midway with almost no time for the allies to up. So you have the double superior zekes with alt & E right over the allied field much of the time. Now for an F4F to have a chance vs a zeke it needs a minimum of 3-4k of air to fight in vertical....and even then its over matched. The SBD can match up much better and is actually a pretty good fight vs the early zeke.
If this happens again, suggest on Channel 200 that the opposing force back away from the base to give your side a chance to get some altitude. This request is almost always recognized and honored (if it's made politely).
- oldman
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aahh...you DO read these.
sorry bout the pick, the one time i did....i couldn't resist. besides.....you had my countryman surrounded. :D
you should not apoligize to kostic for picking, he is one of the best "pickers" in game, the one time we met at same alt he ran away untill I was engaged with others.(me in my hurri him in his f4) and he had enough Alt over me :lol
not sorry if you are offended Kostic, just stating the truth, if picking was an art form, you are Michelangelo :rofl
in case you dont know, you can find me as JETSOM in game.
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If this happens again, suggest on Channel 200 that the opposing force back away from the base to give your side a chance to get some altitude. This request is almost always recognized and honored (if it's made politely).
- oldman
sometimes this works in the regular arenas too. the 80th guys did just that a couple months ago.
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granted this is roughly what it comes down to
Good to see we agree on something at least.
to have a furball in any arena still is "fun", granted, and very easy to protect, first you kill ords all around then you fly at a distance ( vulching the planes coming to your furball is very bad form!) and at a reasonable altitude, then you wait for them to comeb]
I don't play this game to run around doing what amounts to chores to attempt to insure some fun. I'm not going to spend an hour downing dars, ord, or troops. If I wanted to grind away with frivolous tasks I'd play WoW or some other silly MMORPG where you spend 90% of your play time grinding away repetitive tasks.
Perhaps since we have two late war arenas we could entice HTC to run an experiment. One of the late war arenas stays as is. The other runs the suggestions Snaphook made.
I meant to put a disclaimer about not telling me to take my furball to the DA lake. I don't consider it a very fun environment, mostly due to tempests and chogs being free. 4 cannon uber rides everywhere turn p38s into swiss cheese. I'll use the DA for a warmup or if I only have 10 mins online, otherwise its fairly lame.
I miss the old map with the Fighter Town lake in the middle. Endless furballing and no griefers, maybe just an occansional run90 making a vulch pass. Oh how the landgrabbers moaned and wailed that no one was fighting the war, just furballing. Made me happy. Spawning a PT boat under the action was good for a few laughs too.
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you should not apoligize to kostic for picking, he is one of the best "pickers" in game, the one time we met at same alt he ran away untill I was engaged with others.(me in my hurri him in his f4) and he had enough Alt over me :lol
not sorry if you are offended Kostic, just stating the truth, if picking was an art form, you are Michelangelo :rofl
in case you dont know, you can find me as JETSOM in game.
Yes I know who you are. Co-ALT maybe but not Co-E. I find it amuzing how so many players will throw out there how they where "Co-Alt" and .... happened. Yes, I do do my fair share of picking but its usually on the outskirts of a furball which doesnt apply to MW.
Kostic
PS. I liked your Ink game id better then your current one.
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CAP your right we did but think back it was when the arenas split up and we were just learning the game same as the soars and we were the only 2 sqauds in the arena most of the time it was 0 rooks on
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Yes I know who you are. Co-ALT maybe but not Co-E. I find it amuzing how so many players will throw out there how they where "Co-Alt" and .... happened. Yes, I do do my fair share of picking but its usually on the outskirts of a furball which doesnt apply to MW.
Kostic
PS. I liked your Ink game id better then your current one.
CO-alt, CO-E, what ever, I fight no matter the odds or disadvantage, I am not so concerned if I "win", I just want to fight, A pick is cool, does not bother me, heck no players "style" bothers me.
But what kind of victory is it when you pick someone who is allready engaged with 4 cons? shallow at best. heck that's not even a victory in my book.
Whatever though I just wanted Cap to not feel bad about pickin ya.
INK was cool but it was also associated with the BOPS, so when I left them I wanted a name not associated with them. NO DISRESPECT to the BOPS, most of them are very cool peeps, just differant views on whats fun.
JETSOM is from Flotsam&Jetsam, a heavy rock band, and FLOTSOM has been my brother since we where about 12 years old,(I'm 39 now) so when I introduced him to AH, we both love Flotsam&Jetsam. Hence the names.
ether way Kostic <S>, I will be watching out for your deadly Aim!!
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Good to see we agree on something at least.
I don't play this game to run around doing what amounts to chores to attempt to insure some fun. I'm not going to spend an hour downing dars, ord, or troops. If I wanted to grind away with frivolous tasks I'd play WoW or some other silly MMORPG where you spend 90% of your play time grinding away repetitive tasks.
Perhaps since we have two late war arenas we could entice HTC to run an experiment. One of the late war arenas stays as is. The other runs the suggestions Snaphook made.
I meant to put a disclaimer about not telling me to take my furball to the DA lake. I don't consider it a very fun environment, mostly due to tempests and chogs being free. 4 cannon uber rides everywhere turn p38s into swiss cheese. I'll use the DA for a warmup or if I only have 10 mins online, otherwise its fairly lame.
I miss the old map with the Fighter Town lake in the middle. Endless furballing and no griefers, maybe just an occansional run90 making a vulch pass. Oh how the landgrabbers moaned and wailed that no one was fighting the war, just furballing. Made me happy. Spawning a PT boat under the action was good for a few laughs too.
furball lake is what you get when you take all other aspects out of the game.
if there is nothing else to do but dogfight,, i think there would be alot less subscribers, i don't think that would make HTC or his people very happy!
since not every one can be the best dogfighter in the game you must have other things for them to do, I.E. bombers or gv,s and the like!
we have many arenas for everyone the da lake may not be your cup of tea, but you want others to set up the game for your desire,I.E. protecting your ability to furball while you won't do the work yourself!
sounds kind of selfish! :aok
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furball lake is what you get when you take all other aspects out of the game.
if there is nothing else to do but dogfight,, i think there would be alot less subscribers, i don't think that would make HTC or his people very happy!
You obviously never played the map in the MAs I'm talking about. Pre-arena split. The landgrabbers had to constantly moan to get anyone to leave it and take or defend bases. It was immensely popular.
since not every one can be the best dogfighter in the game you must have other things for them to do, I.E. bombers or gv,s and the like!
Well obviously everyone can't be the best dogfighters, but if they aren't encouraged to try and fight how will anyone learn?
we have many arenas for everyone the da lake may not be your cup of tea, but you want others to set up the game for your desire,I.E. protecting your ability to furball while you won't do the work yourself!
sounds kind of selfish! :aok
I'm guilty as charged. I'm greedy and selfish for wanting air combat in an air combat simulator. DA lake is a sore substitute for a real FT. Perk planes roaming free with no penalty for loss is a huge turn off for many, myself included.
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CAP your right we did but think back it was when the arenas split up and we were just learning the game same as the soars and we were the only 2 sqauds in the arena most of the time it was 0 rooks on
ya, i do remember that.
my point though, was that everyone's gonna play their own way. even here in mw, before tatour quit, i've sat in an m3 with troops, waiting for 20 minutes or more waiting for the base to be clear. i've bombed n support of base takings, fought, straffed gv's(normally die doing this).
but like i mentione din an earlier post, in mw, it's pretty well known who's doing base attacks, on each side. this should make it a bit easier to defend, and more fun for all too. i'm sure that the attacers don't really want a victory with 0 resistance. that'd be no fun. the fun cvomes from all the carnage of the multiple fights.
me...i still continue to die a lot in my 38 o deth, regfardless of what i'm doing. :D :rofl
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well bongaroo i argee with you im not spending my time shooting supid things that dont move hell if i wanted to do that id go knits and shoot a freaking building but you know what im over it ill just stay on my side of the map and do my own thing im not letting this horde run me out of a arena that i like
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yea i have been playing for a long time now, i liked that they split it up, i thought then that more people could do as they please without the gripe, i remember being in the ma when there was only 100 or so players at any givin time,and maybe ten or less late at night.
now there is what 400 or more most of the time, spread out over the game, sure i miss the furball maps, i miss the old tank towns more, but they are gone. now why would HTC go back to having less players?
as fun as this still is, it is also a bussiness, and more paying customers, is good for bussiness, it also pays for development of the game , new planes, better graphics, and yes maybe a new arena where you can go and do as you please. maybe you should write down what you want and put it in the wishlist forums, instead of here!
just an idea :aok
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yea i have been playing for a long time now, i liked that they split it up, i thought then that more people could do as they please without the gripe, i remember being in the ma when there was only 100 or so players at any givin time,and maybe ten or less late at night.
now there is what 400 or more most of the time, spread out over the game, sure i miss the furball maps, i miss the old tank towns more, but they are gone. now why would HTC go back to having less players?
as fun as this still is, it is also a bussiness, and more paying customers, is good for bussiness, it also pays for development of the game , new planes, better graphics, and yes maybe a new arena where you can go and do as you please. maybe you should write down what you want and put it in the wishlist forums, instead of here!
just an idea :aok
Good points. It is a buisness. As such if I'm not happy with the product anymore they won't recieve my money or my referrals of the game to friends.
I for one plan on sticking it out for a while if possible, but with the economy in a sad state plus other real life factors I'm getting closer to calling it quits. With gameplay continuing to move further from what I enjoy I have less and less reason to continue sending HTC my money.
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well bongaroo i argee with you im not spending my time shooting supid things that dont move hell if i wanted to do that id go knits and shoot a freaking building but you know what im over it ill just stay on my side of the map and do my own thing im not letting this horde run me out of a arena that i like
I WISH those little wiggly airplanes would stop moving for me, and stop sneakin up on me when i'm not lookin........ :noid :noid
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Good points. It is a buisness. As such if I'm not happy with the product anymore they won't recieve my money or my referrals of the game to friends.
I for one plan on sticking it out for a while if possible, but with the economy in a sad state plus other real life factors I'm getting closer to calling it quits. With gameplay continuing to move further from what I enjoy I have less and less reason to continue sending HTC my money.
seek it out.
when i'm in next, i'm gonna try n find snaphook, as he's told me to look him up. i know i'll be in for fun fights with him.
it might take time sometimes, but you can sort of create your fun. that's what i do for now. i find a furball somewhere...........or i go pick on a base, and create the fight.
besides....where are you gonna find this entertainment for only .50 a day? :D
my ingame is at the bottom of my posts......if you're lookin for fights only, pm me......i'll probably be in a 38 of some sort, and don't know how well i'll do against a lot of ya, but i'm always game. it's the only way i'm gonna learn to kill more than i die. :aok
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cap check your PM
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What a joke, when the MWA reaches a point that its tardlets in bunches its time to evaluate where the game is going. My 90 day clock is on, fas as I can see we're reaching the point that its devolved to a total waste of time.
I agree totally, that fight we had the other day was the last good one I have had since. It use to be that 1vs1 fights were the norm, now all I get is hoed and rammed. Im trying to get better and compete with you uber guys but have run into either the huge base takin horde that insists on dropping all hangers, ords and filling the skys with 10 sets of buffs and a 10 plane cap. They consider that fun. Not long after that the awards ceramony starts and then the 200 channel banter starts with " wasn't that team work great ! " It's if that is the most important aspect of the game. Don't get me wrong when the numbers are even it can be a blast but too many times they are stacked in favor of the knits. Some of these players will do whatever it takes to get you down and make no bones about not caring if they ever get any better. Sad to me since I seldom get a chance to use anything Ive learned except surviving. They say all good things come to an end, maybe the end is coming.
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Cant read everything, but I can say that having a plane I like that never gets old to me, and having a good bunch of wingies to team up with against the horde, is always enough to make it so I more rarely notice or care how lame the flying gets. It's not hard to see why you can get tired of the horde, if you're flying an SBD.. I mean cmon, an SBD :) LOL
Don't be too hard on yourself Snap... Just take whatever comes in stride and make the best of it. Maybe fly a better plane and make mince meat out of the horde, like e.g. Shane, and still have a blast flying well (cause you still would have to have great fights to beat the horde).
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Cant read everything, but I can say that having a plane I like that never gets old to me, and having a good bunch of wingies to team up with against the horde, is always enough to make it so I more rarely notice or care how lame the flying gets. It's not hard to see why you can get tired of the horde, if you're flying an SBD.. I mean cmon, an SBD :) LOL
Don't be too hard on yourself Snap... Just take whatever comes in stride and make the best of it. Maybe fly a better plane and make mince meat out of the horde, like e.g. Shane, and still have a blast flying well (cause you still would have to have great fights to beat the horde).
WELL, I think i see his point....i THINK. it seems he fls the sbd to challenge himself. i had a 1v1 with him a couple weeks ago, and in all honesty, the only reason he didn't shoot me down, was because i had a faster plane, and could bravely run away.
it was a good fight though. fun. i learned a lot from it.
before that, i dropped into shuffler and a couple of his wingies. none of them ganged me, although i was pretty stupid. i knew who it was, thus my hellkitty had no advatnages over those lightnings. :D
same when i fought soulss. was a fun fight. but i didn't get ganged, nor did he.
what it seems to me that snap's gettin dissillusioned about, is the "win at any cost" mentality in a fight. thus, you get a tart in a highly maneuverable plane, that could easily maneuver for a good firing position, but instead, chooses to face shoot every pass.....or ram. or he can't get into position, so he calls for help.
that'd be fine, if he were defending a base, but i rarely ever see snap attack a base.
just an FYI.......beware the SBD O DETH. :D
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I agree totally, that fight we had the other day was the last good one I have had since. It use to be that 1vs1 fights were the norm, now all I get is hoed and rammed. Im trying to get better and compete with you uber guys but have run into either the huge base takin horde that insists on dropping all hangers, ords and filling the skys with 10 sets of buffs and a 10 plane cap. They consider that fun. Not long after that the awards ceramony starts and then the 200 channel banter starts with " wasn't that team work great ! " It's if that is the most important aspect of the game. Don't get me wrong when the numbers are even it can be a blast but too many times they are stacked in favor of the knits. Some of these players will do whatever it takes to get you down and make no bones about not caring if they ever get any better. Sad to me since I seldom get a chance to use anything Ive learned except surviving. They say all good things come to an end, maybe the end is coming.
u still flyin the mossie? i actually got a few kills on some mossies last week.....the end of the last tour.
if they're gonna try n ho ya, ho em back...chances are you have more firepower.
i had a spit tried for the ho every pass on sat night......fourth pass, i opened up on him. he collided with me..i lost a wing, he lost an airplane. :D
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u still flyin the mossie? i actually got a few kills on some mossies last week.....the end of the last tour.
if they're gonna try n ho ya, ho em back...chances are you have more firepower.
i had a spit tried for the ho every pass on sat night......fourth pass, i opened up on him. he collided with me..i lost a wing, he lost an airplane. :D
last ho I was in a 110 and lost to a spit, go figure. I play on a laptop so my vid card isn't as good as a deck tops . I certainly don't see thungs the way alot of you guys do. No Mossie, I was in a 109G2 and snap was in his SBD. It was a very fun fight. I had a very hard time keeping my eye on him. I09 G2's doesn't have the best of views.
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last ho I was in a 110 and lost to a spit, go figure. I play on a laptop so my vid card isn't as good as a deck tops . I certainly don't see thungs the way alot of you guys do. No Mossie, I was in a 109G2 and snap was in his SBD. It was a very fun fight. I had a very hard time keeping my eye on him. I09 G2's doesn't have the best of views.
well...tonight sucked......alt monkeys all over the place.......me flying worse than normal........runners, pickers, and one hotard.......
ya, maybe mw is goin down the toilet.
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well...tonight sucked......alt monkeys all over the place.......me flying worse than normal........runners, pickers, and one hotard.......
ya, maybe mw is goin down the toilet.
This kind of night?
MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! (http://www.mediafire.com/?uztmg2jzftm)
ack-ack
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I chased seighen (spelling) for 30 minutes or more. He was in 51b with alt and dove at me a few times. I continued on his 6 climbing till we were over 20K. He stayed about 1.5 out. He finally turned and I got an engine hit on him. Chased him to the deck where he finally died. Then I got bounced by a zeek and was in the tower. Not real exciting. Earlier we had a bunch drop in and once their E state was burned from BNZ we had us a fine little fight.
Forgot to mention my dogfight with a pony while I was in a gooney. That was fun till I was picked by another pony.... lol I was laughing the whole time.
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This kind of night?
MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! (http://www.mediafire.com/?uztmg2jzftm)
ack-ack
dam....that was pretty good against.....what......5 of em? sheesh! i still have trouble with just 1v1.
i came bish last night for a bit ak.....but i think you were already gone. found a couple fights, but still found a lot of alt monkeys there. rooks must've been runnin short on oxygen last night. :rofl
actually got a couple kills......but got vulched on landing, then picked by shufflers fav pony driver, as i was tearing oldmans p38 apart. go figure. :rolleyes: it was my own fault anyway.........shoulda assumed he'd go for the easy kill, rather than look for an actual fight. :D
wish i could get int here tonight, but i won't be home till 1am or so eastern. should be able to make it tomorrow night though.
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This kind of night?
MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! (http://www.mediafire.com/?uztmg2jzftm)
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is there any other kind of night in aces high :rofl
MINE MINE MINE
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f6B_7ZRSwWg
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I believe I gave you a couple of fair 1v1 fights on Saturday. I thought there were pretty honorable and fun :aok
Kostic
:lol
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was in there for about an hour all i seen was base captured by the knights every 5 mins said screw this went to late war oh 7 bish 20 knights 7 rooks go figure should rename MW knights toolshed training camp
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was in there for about an hour all i seen was base captured by the knights every 5 mins said screw this went to late war oh 7 bish 20 knights 7 rooks go figure should rename MW knights toolshed training camp
actually, i got on around 11ish....after i ate dinner. was rooks fightin bish. that's why i went bish for a bit....to find some fights. :D
oo.....and it was something like 12 bish, 10 rook, and only 5 or 6 knight.
i don't generally like that particular map though either
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actually, i got on around 11ish....after i ate dinner. was rooks fightin bish. that's why i went bish for a bit....to find some fights. :D
oo.....and it was something like 12 bish, 10 rook, and only 5 or 6 knight.
i don't generally like that particular map though either
Better not let Alpha81 know you went Bish. He takes that stuff very serious. Ask Lazygog about it. We aren't even in his squad and when we left the knit side for good he wouldn't talk to us for weeks. :furious
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lol he came over to fly with me.
The Consortium will protect him.
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lol he came over to fly with me.
The Consortium will protect him.
lol...thank ys sir!
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Better not let Alpha81 know you went Bish. He takes that stuff very serious. Ask Lazygog about it. We aren't even in his squad and when we left the knit side for good he wouldn't talk to us for weeks. :furious
he'll be ok with it. i told the couple of my squaddies that were on, what i was doing. i also told em i wouldn't engage any knights, so as to be sure to not have to fgight anyone in my own squad. like shuff said.....i went there to fly with him, and get some more fights in the 38. there wasn't anyone except tbarone fighting the knights...and he was only porking things in his 190.
in 1 hour flying bish, i found 1/2 dozen fights. more than i had found the whole night up to that point. :D
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I went into midwar last night, Cap, looking for ya, took up my Hurri2c, with 50% and drops, there was only 35 peeps in there, so I fly towards a red dar, as I'm getting near the base I see a lower spit, so I drop my tanks, and then drop on him, instead of BnZ him I chopped all throttle, hard rudder to stay slow, he assumes I am staying fast. he pulls up I stay on him,I give out a short burst of my cannons, his right wing comes off. so I wep up start to climb, I look towards the nme base, he is rolling, I don't jump on him, I let him grab some ALt, at this point I bank my hurri to follow along side of him while he is grabbing ALT, we are about 5 k apart, I asked on open channel if he was ready, he says no, I look over at him and he is heading strait at me LOL, so I drop my nose to gain some speed, he tries to rope me I follow just enough to take a shot, miss, I roll back over, to make him think I am slow, he comes back down fast, I stay out in front of him so he can see my 6, he takes his shot misses, as he fires I pull strait up using hard rudder to avoid his shots, he passes me I roll inverted to see what he does, he banks hard right, I roll again so I am level, pull up again go inverted watching him, he is still trying to get up to me, I pull down on top of him, using hard rudder I get a gun solution, another quick burst takes off his wing.
I <S> him, no responce on open channel, but he PM me and says " let me get a little more ALT" :lol
I type back something like "lol are serious I gave you like 7 k, then YOU engaged" so now I am headed back to my base low on fuel, at first I thought this guy was gonna be a jerk on pm, but he wasn't, so we started to type back and forth about the fight, and about the Hurri, I am back in the air headed towards his field again, I get to about 7k(?) typing back a response hit enter then look to my left, and low and behold a spitfire less than 1k away heading strait at my 9 o'clock, I instantly roll to my left and pull a split S, but not quite, I try to always go to the side that the NME has to red out to follow, as he tries to compensate for my dive he rolls heavy to his right, I again roll in his opposite direction, as we pass each other he takes his shot misses, I pull strait up, he tries to follow, I go inverted and pull a scissors on him, I think on the second pass I pull a gun solution and blasted him through his canopy, this time he explodes. I <S> him he <S> me back.
there was no one else around, it wa fun, but I am so used to flying in the MAs that I was still looking around for other NMEs the whole time :lol
I think if I fly the MIDwar arenas to much, I will lose my SA, it just was not enough action, so I went back to LW arenas, and promply found a huge darbar, and went into heavy action, where I got killed repeatedly but also racked up a few killz.
ether way I think this game rocks and <S> all you who fly with Honor.
and <S> you Black70
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I went into midwar last night, Cap, looking for ya, took up my Hurri2c, with 50% and drops, there was only 35 peeps in there, so I fly towards a red dar, as I'm getting near the base I see a lower spit, so I drop my tanks, and then drop on him, instead of BnZ him I chopped all throttle, hard rudder to stay slow, he assumes I am staying fast. he pulls up I stay on him,I give out a short burst of my cannons, his right wing comes off.
and <S> you Black70
No offense Ink, but I found your phraseology here a bit amusing...
Translation, you flew the Hurri exactly to its strength and managed your E in such a way that the inferior turning plane stood very little chance of either reversing or escaping. Nothing succeeds like success, but geez guy, you make it sound like a badge of honor that you chose to enter a turning fight while flying a superior turner. :D
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I went into midwar last night, Cap, looking for ya, took up my Hurri2c, with 50% and drops, there was only 35 peeps in there, so I fly towards a red dar, as I'm getting near the base I see a lower spit, so I drop my tanks, and then drop on him, instead of BnZ him I chopped all throttle, hard rudder to stay slow, he assumes I am staying fast. he pulls up I stay on him,I give out a short burst of my cannons, his right wing comes off. so I wep up start to climb, I look towards the nme base, he is rolling, I don't jump on him, I let him grab some ALt, at this point I bank my hurri to follow along side of him while he is grabbing ALT, we are about 5 k apart, I asked on open channel if he was ready, he says no, I look over at him and he is heading strait at me LOL, so I drop my nose to gain some speed, he tries to rope me I follow just enough to take a shot, miss, I roll back over, to make him think I am slow, he comes back down fast, I stay out in front of him so he can see my 6, he takes his shot misses, as he fires I pull strait up using hard rudder to avoid his shots, he passes me I roll inverted to see what he does, he banks hard right, I roll again so I am level, pull up again go inverted watching him, he is still trying to get up to me, I pull down on top of him, using hard rudder I get a gun solution, another quick burst takes off his wing.
I <S> him, no responce on open channel, but he PM me and says " let me get a little more ALT" :lol
I type back something like "lol are serious I gave you like 7 k, then YOU engaged" so now I am headed back to my base low on fuel, at first I thought this guy was gonna be a jerk on pm, but he wasn't, so we started to type back and forth about the fight, and about the Hurri, I am back in the air headed towards his field again, I get to about 7k(?) typing back a response hit enter then look to my left, and low and behold a spitfire less than 1k away heading strait at my 9 o'clock, I instantly roll to my left and pull a split S, but not quite, I try to always go to the side that the NME has to red out to follow, as he tries to compensate for my dive he rolls heavy to his right, I again roll in his opposite direction, as we pass each other he takes his shot misses, I pull strait up, he tries to follow, I go inverted and pull a scissors on him, I think on the second pass I pull a gun solution and blasted him through his canopy, this time he explodes. I <S> him he <S> me back.
there was no one else around, it wa fun, but I am so used to flying in the MAs that I was still looking around for other NMEs the whole time :lol
I think if I fly the MIDwar arenas to much, I will lose my SA, it just was not enough action, so I went back to LW arenas, and promply found a huge darbar, and went into heavy action, where I got killed repeatedly but also racked up a few killz.
ether way I think this game rocks and <S> all you who fly with Honor.
and <S> you Black70
I GOT on late last night...bout 11ish. i won't be on tonight, as i won't be home till 1230 or 130 or so. tomorrow night i hope to be on though.....
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No offense Ink, but I found your phraseology here a bit amusing...
Translation, you flew the Hurri exactly to its strength and managed your E in such a way that the inferior turning plane stood very little chance of either reversing or escaping. Nothing succeeds like success, but geez guy, you make it sound like a badge of honor that you chose to enter a turning fight while flying a superior turner. :D
I agree, I know Black70 and he will scrap with anyone. He flys that Spit too much in my opinion. I don't engage Hurri's 1vs1 unless I'm in a Zero and I hardly ever fly Zeros anymore So be glad it wasn't me cause I would have just shadowed you until you headed for home low on fuel and B&Zed ya . My opinion is Hurri's are at a disadvantage in MW. Just about the entire plane set is faster than the Hurri and are able to dictate the fight. Also there isn't the furballs here like in LW giving a Hurri the chance to pick someone outta the crowd.Turn fighting with Hurri's especially in the hands of a good Hurri stick isn't my idea of flying smart. I don't know you and suspect that your a capable Hurri pilot. But I'm sure you would have had a few choice words if it were me there instead of Black70 . <S>
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No offense Ink, but I found your phraseology here a bit amusing...
Translation, you flew the Hurri exactly to its strength and managed your E in such a way that the inferior turning plane stood very little chance of either reversing or escaping. Nothing succeeds like success, but geez guy, you make it sound like a badge of honor that you chose to enter a turning fight while flying a superior turner. :D
of course, is this not what your sapposed to do? if he was not a noob, he would have done things differantly, and in that case I would have done things differantly.
I wrote that up thinking about skytigers AAR? never wrote a full fight up before, wanted to try my hand at it.
and no I dont think it as a "badge of Honor", I hope that he learned something in that fight.
if I wanted to give my self a "badge of Honor" I would write up about the time I out flew a spit in a turn fight OTD, with a 152.
I <S> those who fly with honor, because I see way too many peeps who have no clue what honor means in AH, and yes there is Honor in a Game.
I try very hard to fly with Honor and respect to those who fly AH, even if they dont deserve it.
so <S> Bnzs, if we ever meet in the air,(pretty sure we allready have) you know I will not HO you in my HOacaine, I will not jump on you if you are ingaged already (unless a friendly askes me too), I certainly will not Vulch ya, and I will never "run away" because you have the advantage, or numbers.
I GOT on late last night...bout 11ish. i won't be on tonight, as i won't be home till 1230 or 130 or so. tomorrow night i hope to be on though.....
I am looking forward to it Cap <S>
I agree, I know Black70 and he will scrap with anyone. He flys that Spit too much in my opinion. I don't engage Hurri's 1vs1 unless I'm in a Zero and I hardly ever fly Zeros anymore So be glad it wasn't me cause I would have just shadowed you until you headed for home low on fuel and B&Zed ya . My opinion is Hurri's are at a disadvantage in MW. Just about the entire plane set is faster than the Hurri and are able to dictate the fight. Also there isn't the furballs here like in LW giving a Hurri the chance to pick someone outta the crowd.Turn fighting with Hurri's especially in the hands of a good Hurri stick isn't my idea of flying smart. I don't know you and suspect that your a capable Hurri pilot. But I'm sure you would have had a few choice words if it were me there instead of Black70 . <S>
if it was you or ANYONE else, win or loose I would give you a <S> even if you did BNZ me to death, which is not very easy, I would not say any thing bad to you, or about your flying style.
I love fighting all commers, all planes, all situations.
live or die, they got nice new shiney planes in the hanger :D
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<S> Ink, you know I didn't mean anything by it.
BTW, THIS is a "boom and zoom" attack. Not a HO pass followed by an extension to the horizon repeated ad nauseum.
(http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_026a_2.gif)
I will never "run away" because you have the advantage, or numbers.
Well of course you won't, you're in a freakin' Slow-i-cane! :D
Seriously though, why not? The whole reason fighters with higher and higher top speeds were developed was to give pilots the ability to choose when to fight or when NOT to fight. If the extending option is off the tables, well, they would have kept building Hurricanes.
The bad part would be running when is still a reasonable chance of getting a kill and getting away with a whole hide.
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<S> Ink, you know I didn't mean anything by it.
BTW, THIS is a "boom and zoom" attack. Not a HO pass followed by an extension to the horizon repeated ad nauseum.
(http://www.simhq.com/_air/images/air_026a_2.gif)
I will never "run away" because you have the advantage, or numbers.
No offence was taken Bnzs. <S>
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Not saying that it 's easy to B&Z a Hurri. Alot of Hurri drivers have a tendacy to fly a bit to far, at least in MW. It's required sometimes to find a fight. But most (not saying you) get tired of dodging the B&Z and then either run outta gas or make a mistake outta frustration. Again no refrence to you . I don't consider Black70 a noob. He likes to scrap and does make alot of mistakes doing so. I don't think he really cares if he does. He is in NB's squad and in my opinion NB is a excellent stick, near the top . He unlike Black70 flies the complete plane set well and he also is not afraid to scrap.I know he has taught Black some ACM. I however do not see many mistakes from him. The combination of turn fighting ability and it's deadly cannons make the Hurri a very dangerous plane but it does have it's limitations like most planes. The Hurri's just happen to be poor fuel consumption and low top speed. When I use that against them alot start whinning about not turn fighting with them and calling me weak for running them outta gas.
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Not saying that it 's easy to B&Z a Hurri. Alot of Hurri drivers have a tendacy to fly a bit to far, at least in MW. It's required sometimes to find a fight. But most (not saying you) get tired of dodging the B&Z and then either run outta gas or make a mistake outta frustration. Again no refrence to you . I don't consider Black70 a noob. He likes to scrap and does make alot of mistakes doing so. I don't think he really cares if he does. He is in NB's squad and in my opinion NB is a excellent stick, near the top . He unlike Black70 flies the complete plane set well and he also is not afraid to scrap.I know he has taught Black some ACM. I however do not see many mistakes from him. The combination of turn fighting ability and it's deadly cannons make the Hurri a very dangerous plane but it does have it's limitations like most planes. The Hurri's just happen to be poor fuel consumption and low top speed. When I use that against them alot start whinning about not turn fighting with them and calling me weak for running them outta gas.
heh......
with the exception of the hellkitty, the p38 is the first airplane i've flown in here that gives me an option to bravely run away. :D
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Not saying that it 's easy to B&Z a Hurri. Alot of Hurri drivers have a tendacy to fly a bit to far, at least in MW. It's required sometimes to find a fight. But most (not saying you) get tired of dodging the B&Z and then either run outta gas or make a mistake outta frustration. Again no refrence to you . I don't consider Black70 a noob. He likes to scrap and does make alot of mistakes doing so. I don't think he really cares if he does. He is in NB's squad and in my opinion NB is a excellent stick, near the top . He unlike Black70 flies the complete plane set well and he also is not afraid to scrap.I know he has taught Black some ACM. I however do not see many mistakes from him. The combination of turn fighting ability and it's deadly cannons make the Hurri a very dangerous plane but it does have it's limitations like most planes. The Hurri's just happen to be poor fuel consumption and low top speed. When I use that against them alot start whinning about not turn fighting with them and calling me weak for running them outta gas.
ya I hear ya, there is way to much whinning about how others fly.
I fly the Hurri because its the best TnBer, IMO, and I fly solo most of the time, and I fight the hourd, I have flown all the other planes, but I do my best in the hurri, my aim seems better in the hurri, and when I do hit, it usally ends up there in the tower except those Jugs, and f4s they are tough birds that can take a beating.
I have very seldom had issues with the hurris fuel rate, I most often run out of ammo long before my fuel is gone.
I dont know if black is a noob or not, probably should not have called him that, he fought with honor, but did not use his plane the way it should have been. so I assumed... you know what they say about that right...
<S>
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No offense Ink, but I found your phraseology here a bit amusing...
Translation, you flew the Hurri exactly to its strength and managed your E in such a way that the inferior turning plane stood very little chance of either reversing or escaping. Nothing succeeds like success, but geez guy, you make it sound like a badge of honor that you chose to enter a turning fight while flying a superior turner. :D
actually, though, that IS something to be lauded.
how many people(me included) do you know, that seem ti INSIST on flying their cartoon airplane in a way not condusive to winning a fight? :D
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I agree, I know Black70 and he will scrap with anyone. He flys that Spit too much in my opinion. I don't engage Hurri's 1vs1 unless I'm in a Zero and I hardly ever fly Zeros anymore So be glad it wasn't me cause I would have just shadowed you until you headed for home low on fuel and B&Zed ya . My opinion is Hurri's are at a disadvantage in MW. Just about the entire plane set is faster than the Hurri and are able to dictate the fight. Also there isn't the furballs here like in LW giving a Hurri the chance to pick someone outta the crowd.Turn fighting with Hurri's especially in the hands of a good Hurri stick isn't my idea of flying smart. I don't know you and suspect that your a capable Hurri pilot. But I'm sure you would have had a few choice words if it were me there instead of Black70 . <S>
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tell that to oldman. :D
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tell that to oldman. :D
Oldmann knows the planes limitations and has now started to fly other planes
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Oldmann knows the planes limitations and has now started to fly other planes
yep. was fightin him 38v38 last night. i got picked by a ponyb. :rolleyes:
amazingly, i was actually doing pretty well against him, although i'm sure it most likely wonm't happen again. :D
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hey ink im a hurri jock also you come back to mid sometime look me up ill try to give ya a good fight <S>
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hey ink im a hurri jock also you come back to mid sometime look me up ill try to give ya a good fight <S>
sounds like fun <S>
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hey ink im a hurri jock also you come back to mid sometime look me up ill try to give ya a good fight <S>
thjought u were gettin into the 38's?
ALMOST FORGOT....
i'll answer your pm tonight when i get to mcguire.....
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im going to spend some time in da tonight cap
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personally i think that ink/jet guy is just a whinner, whaaaa :cry whaaa :cry whaaa. he couldnt make a good turn if his plane was sitting on the runway and he was in a car pushing on it! whaaaa :cry whaaaa :cry whaaaa!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
FLOTSOM
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personally i think that ink/jet guy is just a whinner, whaaaa :cry whaaa :cry whaaa. he couldnt make a good turn if his plane was sitting on the runway and he was in a car pushing on it! whaaaa :cry whaaaa :cry whaaaa!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
FLOTSOM
hhhmmmm.....could 'splain why he drives hurris, rather than someting like a 38? :rofl :noid :noid :noid
j/k
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since i know most in the MW arenas are reading this thread..........
last night, i became part of the 200 bs problem. i had had a bit of a bad day at work, combined with the shop heater takin a crap...so it was a bad AND COLD (20F) day.
i let that come into the game, and whined/squeaked/complained/smack talked. i generally don't let myself get drawn into that crap.
sorry guys........those that were there, but not on a regular basis.....thats not the way i normally am. y'all won't be seein that crap from me any time in the near future. i hope. :noid
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Oldmann knows the planes limitations and has now started to fly other planes
This is getting confusing.
- oldman
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This is getting confusing.
- oldman
you may be in need of this then. :D :rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Je1CEPkUM
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well alrighty then.
i took the time and spent about an hour flying in the MA this evening. now in that time i spent most of it upping from a CV that was engaged against a nearby base.
there were multiple friendlies (rook) multiple enemies (knights) and a few dirt bags (bish) sneaking in to steal some kills.
in that time i was HOed once picked three or four times (it was a low level close to base fight) so it was a mish mash of swirling planes attacking and counter attacking and the advantage of the fight swung from one side to the other (and even to the dirtbags once) every couple of minutes.
overall it was just like every good base v cv fight, nobody bombing the cv and nobody putting down the hangers. nobody vulching the cv or the field either. it was a good time with no 200 trash talk (that i saw) the entire time i was there.
on my second to last fight i was in a corsair. i was in the mix and had a hurri latch onto my arse. so because i knew i wouldn't shake him in the middle of the crowd i opted to do a rollercoaster and drag him away from the group. he followed taking the occasional pot shot at me to remind me he was there.
we kept going until we were about a half a sector away from the fight then i climbed to gain some room. he turned around and climb away from me putting distance between us giving himself the chance to climb. when we were 2.5 out from each other i turned around and nosed down a bit to catch up to him.
as i neared him he was climbing to gain a little more alt and i stayed wide of him dropping my extra alt and cutting my speed. as i approached closer and began to match him in speed and alt i stayed on his right side about 600 out.
we were about co alt and both around 300mph and climbing again when we turned into each other and the duel began.
i was looking directly at his nose as we approached each other. he pulled left and up as i dipped right and down, neither of us fired a shot. we continued this looping figure 8 fight back and forth for 4 or 5 passes. each time both of us getting our turns in tight enough to approach head on to each other, each time passing within feet of the others nose. neither of us taking the shot.
on about the 6 pass i decided to change my tactic. as we passed each other instead of heading straight up to go to the top of my loop and drop back at him again i popped my flaps and laid on my back killing all my e and stalling upside down dead. then i throttle and pulled a little more on the stick and flipped over nose down directly behind him. i had seen other do this against me in the corsair and thought id give it a try, it worked well!
as i dropped down behind him i began closing fast but so was the water (we never really went above 2500 feet or so alt) so i ruddered trying to slow my decent and line up a shot. there he was! i tapped the trigger and of course completely missed him!
i had to roll right and pull up to avoid hitting him or the water which was now within spitting distance.
he pulled up and broke left, i don't know how to describe what he did but it looked almost like he went vertical and then fell over like a drunk. he shuddered a little but was then nose down and heading towards me gaining speed while i was still trying to keep from falling into the water.
i regained control of my ride and leveled just above splash point gaining a little speed as i pulled in the flaps and banked away from him.
he was 200 out as i started to hear the hits on my tail. as soon as i heard them i realized he was firing BB's, damn i might just have a chance!
i went back into a rollercoaster trying to gain speed and avoid his shots. he kept scoring hits and kept pace with me for a few seconds. the hits weren't enough to bring me down!
he began losing ground so he climbed and banked left, i climbed again and banked slowly back towards him. he had dropped back again so we were seperated by about 2.0 and again were at about 2500 feet alt as we closed with each other.
passing each other again nose on neither of us taking a shot, we both broke into a flat turn converging on the far side and passing. as we turned back into each other again i ruddered the nose down a little to grab some speed and then i realized me mistake. as i had gained speed in this tight circle he had ruddered up and dropped some speed allowing him to again do that drunken flop sideways and drop into the space diagonally between us.
his nose was now pointed directly at my left wing and cockpit.
ping ping ping ping ping the entire length off my plane!
i rolled flat nosed down and dropped away to gain speed and get out of his guns.
as i started to gain speed i realised that my left aileron was gone, my rudder wouldn't move left, my cockpit was shot up and i had no guns!
my plane now stayed dipped hard left and wouldn't level without alot of effort. the more speed i gained the harder it became to control. i was screwed.
he had swung out wide to my right and turned lazily back into me. as he neared i saw a quick spirt of tracers over me, like a shot over the bow, and then he dropped away turning into the opposite direction.
over 200 i see " <S> CORSAIR IM OUT OF AMMO"
laughing and knowing there was no way i would make it rtb without getting pick off by those still fighting near the base i dipped the nose and plunged into the water. nobody else was gonna get credit for the kill!
so <<SALUTE>> again ImADot it was a good fight lots of fun!
i had a good time in the MA and think i will start spending more time there!
FLOTSOM
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well alrighty then.
i took the time and spent about an hour flying in the MA this evening. now in that time i spent most of it upping from a CV that was engaged against a nearby base.
there were multiple friendlies (rook) multiple enemies (knights) and a few dirt bags (bish) sneaking in to steal some kills.
in that time i was HOed once picked three or four times (it was a low level close to base fight) so it was a mish mash of swirling planes attacking and counter attacking and the advantage of the fight swung from one side to the other (and even to the dirtbags once) every couple of minutes.
overall it was just like every good base v cv fight, nobody bombing the cv and nobody putting down the hangers. nobody vulching the cv or the field either. it was a good time with no 200 trash talk (that i saw) the entire time i was there.
on my second to last fight i was in a corsair. i was in the mix and had a hurri latch onto my arse. so because i knew i wouldn't shake him in the middle of the crowd i opted to do a rollercoaster and drag him away from the group.he followed taking the occasional pot shot at me to remind me he was there.
we kept going until we were about a half a sector away from the fight then i climbed to gain some room. he turned around and climb away from me putting distance between us giving himself the chance to climb. when we were 2.5 out from each other i turned around and nosed down a bit to catch up to him.
as i neared him he was climbing to gain a little more alt and i stayed wide of him dropping my extra alt and cutting my speed. as i approached closer and began to match him in speed and alt i stayed on his right side about 600 out.
we were about co alt and climbing again when we turned into each other and the duel began.
i was looking directly at his nose as we approached each other. he pulled left and up as i dipped right and down, neither of us fired a shot. we continued this looping figure 8 fight back and forth for 4 or 5 passes. each time both of us getting our turns in tight enough to approach head on to each other each time passing within feet of each others noses, neither of us taking the shot.
on about the 6 pass i decided to change my tactic. as we passed each other instead of heading straight up to go to the top of my loop and drop back at him again i popped my flaps and laid on my back killing all my e and stalling upside down dead. then i throttle and pulled a little more on the stick and flipped over nose down directly behind him. i had seen other do this to me i the corsair and thought id give it a try, it worked well!
as i dropped down behind him he was coming up fast but so was the water (we never really went above 2500 feet or so alt) so i ruddered trying to slow my decent and line up a shot. there he was! i tapped the trigger and of course completely missed him!
i had to roll right and pull up to avoid hitting him or the water which was now within spitting distance.
he pulled up and broke left, i don't know how to describe what he did but it looked almost like he went vertical and then fell over like a drunk. he shuddered a little but was then nose down and heading towards me gaining speed while i was still trying to keep from falling into the water.
i regained control of my ride and leveled just above splash point gaining a little speed as i pulled in the flaps and banked away from him.
he was 200 out as i started to hear the hits on my tail and fuselodge. as soon as i heard them i realized he was firing BB's, damn i might just have a chance!
i went back into a rollercoaster trying to gain speed and avoid his shots. he kept scoring hits and kept pace with me for a few seconds. the hits weren't enough to bring me down!
i climbed again and banked slowly back towards him. he had dropped back again to about 2.0 and again was at about 2500 feet as we closed with each other.
passing each other again nose on neither of us taking a shot, we both broke into a flat turn converging on the far side and passing. as we turned back into each other again i ruddered the nose down a little to grab some speed and then i realized me mistake. as i had gained speed in this tight circle he had ruddered up and dropped some speed allowing him to again do that drunken flop sideways and drop into the space between us.
his nose was now pointed directly at my left wing and cockpit.
ping ping ping ping ping the entire length off my plane!
i rolled flat nosed down and dropped away to gain speed and get out of his guns.
as i started to gain speed i realised that my left aileron was gone my rudder wouldn't move left my cockpit was shot up and i had no guns!
my plane now stayed dipped hard left and wouldn't level without alot of effort. the more speed i gained the harder it became to control. i was screwed.
he had swung out wide to my right and turned back into me, as he neared i saw a quick spirt of tracers over me, like a shot over the bow, and then he dropped away turning into the opposite direction.
over 200 i see " <S> CORSAIR IM OUT OF AMMO"
laughing and knowing there was no way i would make it rtb without getting pick off by those still fighting near the base i dipped the nose and plunged into the water. nobody else was gonna get credit for the kill!
so <<SALUTE>> again ImADot it was a good fight lots of fun!
i had a good time in the MA and think i will start spending more time there!
FLOTSOM
dot's one of the better guys in there. actually, he's great, to fight with, and against.
i only just got home from mcguire....so i'm lookin here for a few, then off to bed........
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dot's one of the better guys in there. actually, he's great, to fight with, and against.
i only just got home from mcguire....so i'm lookin here for a few, then off to bed........
i kept looking for you on roster but you werent there! let me find out you were afraid and hid until you knew i was offline!!!!!
<S> CAP im sure ill catch you soon.
FLOTSOM
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i kept looking for you on roster but you werent there! let me find out you were afraid and hid until you knew i was offline!!!!!
<S> CAP im sure ill catch you soon.
FLOTSOM
well, after that comment about u in the hurri, i kinda had to! :rofl :rofl :rofl
nah...seriously.......
i'm in Civil Air Patrol, and i'm the NJ Wing Director of Transportation. i go to McGuire AFB every tuesday to catch up on any paperwork, handle any vehicle repairs, etc etc...........
best part is, sinc ei'm online there too, i can slack off a bit, and at least look at the forums here. if that laptop could handle AH, i'd have my old twisty stick on my desk there. :D
if i don't make it in tomorrow, i should be here on thursday.
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Well tonight was one of the good nights, thanks all had a great time @ A45 and A39 tonight.
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well, after that comment about u in the hurri, i kinda had to! :rofl :rofl :rofl
nah...seriously.......
i'm in Civil Air Patrol, and i'm the NJ Wing Director of Transportation. i go to McGuire AFB every tuesday to catch up on any paperwork, handle any vehicle repairs, etc etc...........
best part is, sinc ei'm online there too, i can slack off a bit, and at least look at the forums here. if that laptop could handle AH, i'd have my old twisty stick on my desk there. :D
if i don't make it in tomorrow, i should be here on thursday.
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he is just lucky i was not in that hurri, :P :P
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since i know most in the MW arenas are reading this thread..........
last night, i became part of the 200 bs problem. i had had a bit of a bad day at work, combined with the shop heater takin a crap...so it was a bad AND COLD (20F) day.
i let that come into the game, and whined/wenched/complained/smack talked. i generally don't let myself get drawn into that crap.
sorry guys........those that were there, but not on a regular basis.....thats not the way i normally am. y'all won't be seein that crap from me any time in the near future. i hope. :noid
How the heck did you become a Sapp member Cap?
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Well tonight was one of the good nights, thanks all had a great time @ A45 and A39 tonight.
You are welcome :D The only problem last night was a well known SPY!!!! going under the shade name of TC :furious
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This is getting confusing.
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If i'm not mistaken they are talking about oldman22!
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Yup Oldman22
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How the heck did you become a Sapp member Cap?
because, contrary to some peoples belief, i'm actually a prett good guy....and i wanna learn the 38......as i am. i might actually land in it someday too. :D
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because, contrary to some peoples belief, i'm actually a prett good guy....and i wanna learn the 38......as i am. i might actually land in it someday too. :D
not if i catch you on approach (translation= out of ammo, low on fuel, missing vital engine parts, missing major control surfaces and pilot wounded) you wont!!!!!!!!!
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not if i catch you on approach (translation= out of ammo, low on fuel, missing vital engine parts, missing major control surfaces and pilot wounded) you wont!!!!!!!!!
i'll throw my blender at ya!!!! :D
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the only thing i have figured out for sure is that you don,t like me or my freinds LOL
but i do get that it could just be that you don't like the way we play!
I'm sure its not personal Whiskey:). Lazydog was one of my favorite fights when he was a nit and we had a seemily personal hatred going ( 200 channel) but it was just 2 heavy weights targeting each other and battling for 15 rounds. We earned each others respect and he's a good guy - I'll fight with or against him anyday.
I for one love vainly standing up to the VF-15 horde alone if I have too .............the fight is what makes the game fun. Nothing wrong with your tactics they are the smart way to go for capturing a base -it just blows when you all are attacking the bishturds too far away from rooks as , like you, I don't change sides.
Those wanting training join a good squad - trainers can only do so much and its your squadmates that will develope your skills as well as time in the seat. The ones that target better sticks and take there lumps will advance the quickest. Just look at Slipknt- he has Alpha81 and Whiskey training him and is advancing very well. I enjoy battling him and he is always respectful and relentless. I have great respect for him as I have pounded on him at times when I should have eased up a bit and gave him a fighting chance and yet he always gives a salute - a great attitude that will bring him much success sooner than later.
Lots of great fights and honorable opponents in MidWar ..not hard to find. Those that like to pretend its exclusively a dogfighter game you are delusional and ignoring reality of the way the game is clearly designed. 1 vs 1 is more possible in MW than LW and besides they made an arena for you to play in -DA. Its usually virtually empty for a reason -its boring. Nothing more fun than 1 vs many to get the adrenaline pumping.
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the only thing i have figured out for sure is that you don,t like me or my freinds LOL
but i do get that it could just be that you don't like the way we play!
I'm sure its not personal Whiskey:). Lazydog was one of my favorite fights when he was a nit and we had a seemily personal hatred going ( 200 channel) but it was just 2 heavy weights targeting each other and battling for 15 rounds. We earned each others respect and he's a good guy - I'll fight with or against him anyday.
I for one love vainly standing up to the VF-15 horde alone if I have too .............the fight is what makes the game fun. Nothing wrong with your tactics they are the smart way to go for capturing a base -it just blows when you all are attacking the bishturds too far away from rooks as , like you, I don't change sides.
Those wanting training join a good squad - trainers can only do so much and its your squadmates that will develope your skills as well as time in the seat. The ones that target better sticks and take there lumps will advance the quickest. Just look at Slipknt- he has Alpha81 and Whiskey training him and is advancing very well. I enjoy battling him and he is always respectful and relentless. I have great respect for him as I have pounded on him at times when I should have eased up a bit and gave him a fighting chance and yet he always gives a salute - a great attitude that will bring him much success sooner than later.
Lots of great fights and honorable opponents in MidWar ..not hard to find. Those that like to pretend its exclusively a dogfighter game you are delusional and ignoring reality of the way the game is clearly designed. 1 vs 1 is more possible in MW than LW and besides they made an arena for you to play in -DA. Its usually virtually empty for a reason -its boring. Nothing more fun than 1 vs many to get the adrenaline pumping.
you mentiuoned slpknot........
best thing 'bout him, is he takes his time, to pass on things he;s learned.
i keep missing alpha, but catch rodent sometimes. he's VERY knowledgable, and helps a lot.
actually, i can;t think of a single guy in the playmates i don't like. they're all helpful, respectful, great to fight with.
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besides they made an arena for you to play in -DA. Its usually virtually empty for a reason -its boring. Nothing more fun than 1 vs many to get the adrenaline pumping.
By empty you mean 50 to 60 people right? More than the EW, MW and AvA combined :rofl
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By empty you mean 50 to 60 people right? More than the EW, MW and AvA combined :rofl
Most of those people are not actually dueling though. They are doing horde on horde fights at the lake. Which takes everything about MA furballs and distills it into a more concentrated form.
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the only thing i have figured out for sure is that you don,t like me or my freinds LOL
but i do get that it could just be that you don't like the way we play!
I'm sure its not personal Whiskey:). Lazydog was one of my favorite fights when he was a nit and we had a seemily personal hatred going ( 200 channel) but it was just 2 heavy weights targeting each other and battling for 15 rounds. We earned each others respect and he's a good guy - I'll fight with or against him anyday.
I for one love vainly standing up to the VF-15 horde alone if I have too .............the fight is what makes the game fun. Nothing wrong with your tactics they are the smart way to go for capturing a base -it just blows when you all are attacking the bishturds too far away from rooks as , like you, I don't change sides.
Those wanting training join a good squad - trainers can only do so much and its your squadmates that will develope your skills as well as time in the seat. The ones that target better sticks and take there lumps will advance the quickest. Just look at Slipknt- he has Alpha81 and Whiskey training him and is advancing very well. I enjoy battling him and he is always respectful and relentless. I have great respect for him as I have pounded on him at times when I should have eased up a bit and gave him a fighting chance and yet he always gives a salute - a great attitude that will bring him much success sooner than later.
Lots of great fights and honorable opponents in MidWar ..not hard to find. Those that like to pretend its exclusively a dogfighter game you are delusional and ignoring reality of the way the game is clearly designed. 1 vs 1 is more possible in MW than LW and besides they made an arena for you to play in -DA. Its usually virtually empty for a reason -its boring. Nothing more fun than 1 vs many to get the adrenaline pumping.
TY and :salute sometimes i forget to do that! :D
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Well tonight was one of the good nights, thanks all had a great time @ A45 and A39 tonight.
You are welcome :D The only problem last night was a well known SPY!!!! going under the shade name of TC :furious
they was a fun time..........had a blast fighting both Bish and Knight ( I went to the Rooks because they were low numbers ).......was a fun fight even though I finally lost to ya Soulyss................
and that is SECRET AGENT MAN or DOUBLE SPY, to you Dedalos :devil
:salute all
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By empty you mean 50 to 60 people right? More than the EW, MW and AvA combined :rofl
It's because he likes to be among the many, not the few.
ack-ack
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If I decided (and I'm getting closer each time I log on) to go hoing the hoers, what's my choice of crate? I was thinking of the A8, but I'm worried about getting a fatal shot from one of the hoers, so I'm looking for something that can take a hit or two but is great at taking on the hoers.
Cheers
iTunes
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If I decided (and I'm getting closer each time I log on) to go hoing the hoers, what's my choice of crate? I was thinking of the A8, but I'm worried about getting a fatal shot from one of the hoers, so I'm looking for something that can take a hit or two but is great at taking on the hoers.
Cheers
iTunes
anything that fires cannons through the nose. straight line of heavy fire makes for the best HO rides. set your convergance out all the way.
as you close with your opponent aim your nose just lower than his. gaining a little speed as your closing the gap between u.
when you are at 1000 out from each other bring your nose up just a hair so that your cowling has an elivated attitude but it is still beneath the bottom of his.
by now u should be at 800 out, let off a 1.5 to 2 second burst,
now u should be at 400 out,
rudder away from the collide while pulling up hard,
turn tightly 180 degrees to the side opposite of the side of you that ur opponent passed on,
roll ur wings to flatten out and unload them while continueing to keeping constant rudder,
once u have 180ed let off rudder push nose down,
you should now be slow but in a diving orientation,
if your opponent is still alive he should be between your 11 and 1 oclock within 400 to 600 away,
continue in this direction while doing a 2 or 3 second dive to gain some e and then climb up under his tail
follow him in his break or drop away to gain distance,
rinse and repeat.
good luck
FLOTSOM
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anything that fires cannons through the nose. straight line of heavy fire makes for the best HO rides. set your convergance out all the way.
as you close with your opponent aim your nose just lower than his. gaining a little speed as your closing the gap between u.
when you are at 1000 out from each other bring your nose up just a hair so that your cowling has an elivated attitude but it is still beneath the bottom of his.
by now u should be at 800 out, let off a 1.5 to 2 second burst,
now u should be at 400 out,
rudder away from the collide while pulling up hard,
turn tightly 180 degrees to the side opposite of the side of you that ur opponent passed on,
roll ur wings to flatten out and unload them while continueing to keeping constant rudder,
once u have 180ed let off rudder push nose down,
you should now be slow but in a diving orientation,
if your opponent is still alive he should be between your 11 and 1 oclock within 400 to 600 away,
continue in this direction while doing a 2 or 3 second dive to gain some e and then climb up under his tail
follow him in his break or drop away to gain distance,
rinse and repeat.
good luck
FLOTSOM
Thanks for that sir, think I'm about one or two more ho attempts, followed by the usual split s to the ack or whatever away from doing this.... Has to be an A8 or the 110 by the looks of things then.
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Thanks for that sir, think I'm about one or two more ho attempts, followed by the usual split s to the ack or whatever away from doing this.... Has to be an A8 or the 110 by the looks of things then.
Noting funnier than watching them line up and start firing from 1.5K out at a 110
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Hey ! Can the mossie take a hit? That crate has a gun package born for hoing.
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Hey ! Can the mossie take a hit? That crate has a gun package born for hoing.
biggest problem with HOing in a mossie is that if your opponent gets any close range shots at you your likely to be pilot wounded or killed instantly.
if you use the mossie or the 110 use the same proceedure but start every thing sooner (further away) you should be firing your guns just before or right at the 1000 foot mark 2.5 or 3 second burst instead of 2 seconds and then same routine as before just further away.
obviousely this all depends on your aproach speed and angle of attack. most HO's are not exactly co-alt equal speed. it takes a little finese but im sure youll do fine :D
FLOTSOM
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Giving lessons on the HO has to be the dumbest thing I've yet to see on these BBS. Well, I take that back. I've seen some dumb stuff.
This makes this thread even more depressing though.
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Giving lessons on the HO has to be the dumbest thing I've yet to see on these BBS. Well, I take that back. I've seen some dumb stuff.
This makes this thread even more depressing though.
actually, it was going pretty well, til that......
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Giving lessons on the HO has to be the dumbest thing I've yet to see on these BBS. Well, I take that back. I've seen some dumb stuff.
This makes this thread even more depressing though.
Please don't take this personally, I'm sure I'm not the only one that is fed up and tired of all the usual lame stuff that goes on in the arenas, Night after night, it's much the same thing, now If I decide that enough is enough and decide to give as good as I get then what the heck is wrong with that? Maybe you would be better monitoring ch200 and then tell all the hoers what a dumb thing it is they are doing? tell them and the runners, ack huggers etc why they are dragging the game down, but don't come on here and tell guys like me that it's dumb to try and learn how to give the hoers a taste of their own medicine.
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Please don't take this personally, I'm sure I'm not the only one that is fed up and tired of all the usual lame stuff that goes on in the arenas, Night after night, it's much the same thing, now If I decide that enough is enough and decide to give as good as I get then what the heck is wrong with that? Maybe you would be better monitoring ch200 and then tell all the hoers what a dumb thing it is they are doing? tell them and the runners, ack huggers etc why they are dragging the game down, but don't come on here and tell guys like me that it's dumb to try and learn how to give the hoers a taste of their own medicine.
because you're going out specifically loking for it.
just fly n fight like normal. if ya get a guy that makes multiple ho passes atcha, then ho him back. it's more fun that way anyway, as they don't expect it. :devil
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because you're going out specifically loking for it.
just fly n fight like normal. if ya get a guy that makes multiple ho passes atcha, then ho him back. it's more fun that way anyway, as they don't expect it. :devil
I understand that, I never go out looking for an ho, in fact I'd go as far to say that you would probably never see me do a ho, Don't think I've ever hoed anyone as far as my old brain can remember, but the pot and kettle come to mind, there's dozens of folks that do nothing but log on with the intent of hoing, but me, the guy who is close to saying enough is enough, is bashed for wanting to know how to pay them back? Anyway, this will just go round in cyclic arguments that will have no bearing on anything or any likely positive outcome, so I'm just leaving it there.
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well a week or 2 ago while flying one night i became thoroughly disgusted after the fifth time in a row i was needlessly (meaning not in a tight furball where all shots are fair or in the middle of a horde trying to gang one individual ect) HOed by the same group of individuals.
during an hour of flying this group of jack-offs downed at least 20 planes (including mine) all by a HO-N-GO fighting style.
i had tried to avoid, tried to maneuver, tried everything i could think of without taking a nose shot at any of them. but to no avail, they would just keep running away until they could boom back in on the HO then run away again if they missed.
enough was enough.
i took up an LA7 and went after them, in 5 minutes 3 of them were dead, all died by the HO, and i was RTB bingo ammo missing a couple of spare parts.
course i never made it to base, damn you guys that ride 38's!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i can understand and relate with iTunes frustration and aggravation. it gets really old when you fly towards your opponent to merge and show your willingness to fight, you close in and turn your nose to avoid the collide and your already being pounded by rounds because the twit cant wait.
so my theory is simple if you don't HO me i will refrain from doing it, but if you do HO me expect it back.
i spent a month and a half practicing this attack and feel that i got it down pretty damn well. so he may win the first encounter because I'm not ready or expecting it, but i will be back and i will keep coming back and hunting him. i will spend the rest of my night hunting the twit just so i can keep HOing and ramming him all night. i may not win them all, but 3 out of 4 is a number i can live with.
I'm only mediocre as a pilot and i am still a long ways off from being a good pilot. but i am willing to fight and willing to be shot down all in the process of learning ACM.
but if someone wants to employ the only tactic i would consider myself an expert in (the HO) then they are going to regret it.
if all he can do is HO then he has nothing new to teach me, so there is no reason for me to waste any of my time trying to engage him in a fight requiring ACM. might as well finish the fight quickly and go look for a skilled adversary.
FLOTSOM
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I understand that, I never go out looking for an ho, in fact I'd go as far to say that you would probably never see me do a ho, Don't think I've ever hoed anyone as far as my old brain can remember, but the pot and kettle come to mind, there's dozens of folks that do nothing but log on with the intent of hoing, but me, the guy who is close to saying enough is enough, is bashed for wanting to know how to pay them back? Anyway, this will just go round in cyclic arguments that will have no bearing on anything or any likely positive outcome, so I'm just leaving it there.
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well, just so ya know, i wasn't bashin ya myself....i was only answerin your question, and offering a fun suggestion. :D :aok
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know what's really sad? i rarely ever hit anything when i do try to return the ho.
hell, i chave trouble hittin a plane that's runnin away flyin straight. now, on the other hand, if he maneuvers, i got him....as long as he's in guns range anyway. :noid
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know what's really sad? i rarely ever hit anything when i do try to return the ho.
hell, i chave trouble hittin a plane that's runnin away flyin straight. now, on the other hand, if he maneuvers, i got him....as long as he's in guns range anyway. :noid
you miss because you are aiming directly at the oncomming plane. aim low and walk it up slightly and he will fly into it.
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:huh :cry :rolleyes: :frown:
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:huh :cry :rolleyes: :frown:
:noid
don't sweat it dude......we're not a bunch of hotards talkin bout this. just guys tired of gettin ho'd....... :devil
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because you are flying against some skill-less dweebs who only knows the HO doesn't mean that you have to stoop to their level. Try leading by example. If everyone gave up and said I'm just gonna HO there would be no more good fights just arenas full of HO tards that think they are teh L33t uber sticks.
Also nine times out of ten I can avoid the HO and I usually have a pretty good idea that the HO artist is an easy kill that has no other skills.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because you are flying against some skill-less dweebs who only knows the HO doesn't mean that you have to stoop to their level. Try leading by example. If everyone gave up and said I'm just gonna HO there would be no more good fights just arenas full of HO tards that think they are teh L33t uber sticks.
Also nine times out of ten I can avoid the HO and I usually have a pretty good idea that the HO artist is an easy kill that has no other skills.
for awhile there, i was doin good avoiding them. right now, when someone tries, for the most part, i'm about 50-50. it doesn't help me that much yet, as i don't know how to avoid, AND put myself in a good position for a good kill.
as for me ho'in back.....generally i don't. i think i mentioned earlier in this thread about the spit i ho'd lastg week. i was a bit tired, and him in a VERY maneuverable plane against a p38, he should've been EASILY able to maneuver for a kill against me. that's changing, as i'm getting better, but i still have trouble with those little wiggly planes.
you can go into mw, and ask anyone in there, if i ho or not. you'll get your answer there. :D :aok
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because you are flying against some skill-less dweebs who only knows the HO doesn't mean that you have to stoop to their level. Try leading by example. If everyone gave up and said I'm just gonna HO there would be no more good fights just arenas full of HO tards that think they are teh L33t uber sticks.
Also nine times out of ten I can avoid the HO and I usually have a pretty good idea that the HO artist is an easy kill that has no other skills.
So, if I pull the trigger at the merge I will automatically become an easy kill for you? :rofl The HOer always has the advantage
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the funny thing in MW is when the noobs try to ho a hurri in a zeke no thats funny and instant death and no CAPS not a ho'er but needs work on seeing 1 earlier
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the funny thing in MW is when the noobs try to ho a hurri in a zeke no thats funny and instant death and no CAPS not a ho'er but needs work on seeing 1 earlier
i'll figure it out sooner or later. :D
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the funny thing in MW is when the noobs try to ho a hurri in a zeke no thats funny and instant death and no CAPS not a ho'er but needs work on seeing 1 earlier
actually once you get the science of it down the zeek is one of the best HOers in the game.
it jinks better than any other ride allowing it to dodge better, its tight turns give it the ability to fake its opponent to its intentions until it is well within its killing range, and finally if it doesn't kill you on the initial HO pass he 180's and is on your 6 before you have the chance to react.
the cannons have lousy ballistics but that is easy to compensate for once you have learned how to aim them.
so don't underestimate the zeek in the HO. if he is practiced then he has all the initial advantages.
FLOTSOM
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its funny i spent the night in late war tonight found a lot of good fights with very few ho's great time went into MW for about an hour very first sortie got ho'ed 4 times well failed ho's rammed about 6 to 3 odds that was fine and almost made it home the only plane lefted a mossie vulched me lmao all good
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Very rare to fing a 1V1 in latewar. May start that way but never ends that way. Although Mid war has its moments its hands down one of the best places to fly.
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Very rare to fing a 1V1 in latewar. May start that way but never ends that way. Although Mid war has its moments its hands down one of the best places to fly.
that's why i fly there pretty much exclusivly. it doesn't mean i'm not as good as the lw guys(even though i'm not). it just means i prefer the "atmosphere" in there.
almost forgot. MW was fun tonight, 'cept for skalpo breaking my shiny new p38J. and i had the supercharged blender in it too.
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it doesn't mean i'm not as good as the lw guys(even though i'm not).
Flying in the LW does not make one a "fighter jock" by default. In my experiences, LW pilots are no better than anyone in the MW ... they may have "more" experienced pilots in LW, but on the other hand, they also have more noobs too.
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Since were talking about HO's, the other nite in the arena i was in a LaLa up against a spit. I lost e and was trying to get some distance when i looked in the back the spit was leaving also, so i went after him. He turned and came streaight on so i fired a burst and tried to sidestep, heard a bang and got the message so and so has collided with me. Shortly i had a kill message----- i checked, no damage to me, so is this a glitch or what? :uhoh
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May as well enjoy what you can from it. Its about the only game out there online that I like. The only thing "wrong" with it for me, is that not everyone wants to play the same way I do. Nothing HTC can do to fix that. Maybe find an arena with like minded folks and shame any non conformers out of it? I dont know.
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Filth, Thats whay I liked about the AvA a while back. It has changed since then, but still fun to fly there.
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Since were talking about HO's, the other nite in the arena i was in a LaLa up against a spit. I lost e and was trying to get some distance when i looked in the back the spit was leaving also, so i went after him. He turned and came streaight on so i fired a burst and tried to sidestep, heard a bang and got the message so and so has collided with me. Shortly i had a kill message----- i checked, no damage to me, so is this a glitch or what? :uhoh
there is a thread going on right now about the collission modeling that if you read it will explain all of this for you. its called "fix the collission"
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,253487.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,253487.0.html)
this may shed some light on it for ya
FLOTSOM
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Thanks Flotsom, all explained :aok
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Thanks Flotsom, all explained :aok
now, here's the thing with collisions.
there was a set of ju88's attacking our cv. they were on the deck.....less then 100ft alt. i was flying so low, i was kicking up wakes. first pass, i took the left drone. second pass, i went for the lead. i pulled off target at less then 100 yards. on my screen we missed, albiet barley. i got a white message saying "XXX has collided with you". i took no damage from this. to me we missed. so why should i take damage just because he saw it?
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Since were talking about HO's, the other nite in the arena i was in a LaLa up against a spit. I lost e and was trying to get some distance when i looked in the back the spit was leaving also, so i went after him. He turned and came streaight on so i fired a burst and tried to sidestep, heard a bang and got the message so and so has collided with me. Shortly i had a kill message----- i checked, no damage to me, so is this a glitch or what? :uhoh
its not a glitch. what it is is his computer saw a collision, yours didnt;therefore he got the collision, and you came away insctahed (unless he hit you, witch it doesn't sound like he did). if it had said in Orange text "You have Collided" then you would have gotten the damage.
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Filth quit turning in front of my 38 :P
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now, here's the thing with collisions.
there was a set of ju88's attacking our cv. they were on the deck.....less then 100ft alt. i was flying so low, i was kicking up wakes. first pass, i took the left drone. second pass, i went for the lead. i pulled off target at less then 100 yards. on my screen we missed, albiet barley. i got a white message saying "XXX has collided with you". i took no damage from this. to me we missed. so why should i take damage just because he saw it?
Obviously the game is set so you will not take damage if you don’t see the collision on your end but there is a cheesy side to that.
I was in B-24s and attacked by an enemy fighter (don’t remember the type). He got both drones and shot-up my remaining bomber to the point I only had one engine running. The only gun still functioning was the nose turret. Apparently he was out of ammo as well because he started flying very erratically near me in an attempt to cause a collision on my end that would finish my bomber and give him that final kill. He eventually ran out of gas and I was able to land at a nearby field.
I hate it when I take damage in a collision when flying bombers. I’m flying straight and level and the fighters are the ones doing the ramming. I would have been mad if the enemy fighter had succeeded in killing me with a collision. But, if I were a better shot with the defensive guns, the fighters would not get close enough to cause a collision. So maybe things even out.
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The germans started ramming our bombers later in the war. Both took damage.
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that's why i fly there pretty much exclusivly. it doesn't mean i'm not as good as the lw guys(even though i'm not). it just means i prefer the "atmosphere" in there.
almost forgot. MW was fun tonight, 'cept for skalpo breaking my shiny new p38J. and i had the supercharged blender in it too.
Cap, I have been trying out midwar, in all reality I feel paranoid there :lol, I am constantly looking around, rolling my plane to see below me :lol but there is no one there, I am so used to the LWAs, I was laughing at myself the other night because of it.
I have had some good fights there but I am more into fighting the hourd. I will check in from time to time, maybe we will see each other in the air.
untill then
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:D just looked at my mid war score, 9 killz 0 deaths. yup not enough action for me.
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I hate it when I take damage in a collision when flying bombers. I’m flying straight and level and the fighters are the ones doing the ramming. I would have been mad if the enemy fighter had succeeded in killing me with a collision. But, if I were a better shot with the defensive guns, the fighters would not get close enough to cause a collision. So maybe things even out.
You'll find out that the majority of the time the fighter had no intention of ramming your bombers. If you attack a buff formation and shoot the lead bomber, as soon as you jump into one of the remaining bombers, it will warp to the lead position. While at the same time the fighter that just finished blowing up the lead buffs passes through the formation at a spot that was previously occupied by the lead buff only to collide with the buff that warped to the lead position. It's not intentional, that's why people say don't go after the lead buff first when attacking a bomber formation.
ack-ack
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attack a buff formation and shoot the lead bomber, as soon as you jump into one of the remaining bombers, it will warp to the lead position. While at the same time the fighter that just finished blowing up the lead buffs passes through the formation at a spot that was previously occupied by the lead buff only to collide with the buff that warped to the lead position.
hate it when that happens :furious
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akak your right i was always hitting the lead bomber and sometimes getting the collision then i started hitting the 1's on the end 1st problem solved
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now, here's the thing with collisions.
there was a set of ju88's attacking our cv. they were on the deck.....less then 100ft alt. i was flying so low, i was kicking up wakes. first pass, i took the left drone. second pass, i went for the lead. i pulled off target at less then 100 yards. on my screen we missed, albiet barley. i got a white message saying "XXX has collided with you". i took no damage from this. to me we missed. so why should i take damage just because he saw it?
If the collision was 100% on his front end (he drove his plane into yours) he will only take damage from the collision. This however doesn't make you immune to any damage you may of suffered immediately before, during or after the collision from his guns. It's in the thread Flotsom linked.
You'll find out that the majority of the time the fighter had no intention of ramming your bombers. If you attack a buff formation and shoot the lead bomber, as soon as you jump into one of the remaining bombers, it will warp to the lead position. While at the same time the fighter that just finished blowing up the lead buffs passes through the formation at a spot that was previously occupied by the lead buff only to collide with the buff that warped to the lead position. It's not intentional, that's why people say don't go after the lead buff first when attacking a bomber formation.
ack-ack
I personally have never had a bomber warp into me from doing that, but what I do have happen way too often is I eat a bit of debris from the bomber I just destroyed as it explodes. I don't know if that debris causes damage though, most of the time I avoid the big chunks and hit a couple small pieces with no damage taken to my plane. But on a couple other occasions I either hit a larger piece of debris or got shot up at the same time from one of the other drones and take damage.