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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: tuton25 on September 07, 2012, 07:52:23 PM
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It simply doesn't have the speed to compete with P-51's, La-7's, Spitfires, and P-47's like it did early and mid war. I'm all for perking more planes but it just cant compete with alot of late war fighters when its only defence is speed.
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ever fly it at 25k? mmm yeah, tried intercepting one once in a 109k (very late war 109 btw) - 5 sectors it took me to get to 25k - he simply dove and was gone before I could even get to alt.
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ever fly it at 25k? mmm yeah, tried intercepting one once in a 109k (very late war 109 btw) - 5 sectors it took me to get to 25k - he simply dove and was gone before I could even get to alt.
It took you five sectors to get to 25k in a K-4? What K-4 was that?
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I would agree to LOWER the perk cost as it does not have 1 damn gun so if ANYTHING catches you, you ARE dead. But I do not think the entire perk cost should be removed.
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The mossie was used down and dirty at tree top level.
with a perk cost most people will stay away from that
(I do it anyway)
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I chased one at over 20K in a Spit XVI one night. He literally ran me out of fuel and I had to glide home. I never got in range for a shot.
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Lower the cost. If the bad guys see you behind the lines it easy for them to climb up out ahead of you.
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You're using the wrong planes or not enough fuel if you can't intercept a mossie.
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You're using the wrong planes or not enough fuel if you can't intercept a mossie.
My point exactly.......UNPERK THE MOSSIE
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When did the Mossie start getting perked?
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Mosquito Mk XVI was not a low altitude Mossie. Its best speed is had at 28,000ft, at which altitude the only F4U that can catch it is a -4.
If you think intercepting the Mossie XVI in anything other than a rocket is easy, well, you've never had to intercept a Mossie driver who knew what he was doing.
Let me put it this way, if a Mossie XVI crosses a sea level airfield at 28,000ft at the same time that a Bf109K-4 takes off to intercept it the Bf109K-4 will be so far behind by the time it reaches 28,000ft that it would need to run WEP for 45 minutes in order to reach firing range. Good luck.
Further, if it were unperked, it would just end up being used to sling 4,000lb bombs at GVs.
When did the Mossie start getting perked?
The late war bomber version, not the fighter version, Meatwad.
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Mosquito Mk XVI was not a low altitude Mossie. Its best speed is had at 28,000ft, at which altitude the only F4U that can catch it is a -4.
If you think intercepting the Mossie XVI in anything other than a rocket is easy, well, you've never had to intercept a Mossie driver who knew what he was doing.
Let me put it this way, if a Mossie XVI crosses a sea level airfield at 28,000ft at the same time that a Bf109K-4 takes off to intercept it the Bf109K-4 will be so far behind by the time it reaches 28,000ft that it would need to run WEP for 45 minutes in order to reach firing range. Good luck.
Further, if it were unperked, it would just end up being used to sling 4,000lb bombs at GVs.
The late war bomber version, not the fighter version, Meatwad.
THIS. :aok
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I can intercept a mossie regardless of his altitude in yak9, ta152, spit XIV, Spit IX, P51d, p51b, all p47s, 190d-9, and a couple of F4U by climbing above and running him down in a shallow dive or simply by flying at my plane's best speed altitude.
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I can intercept a mossie regardless of his altitude in yak9, ta152, spit XIV, Spit IX, P51d, p51b, all p47s, 190d-9, and a couple of F4U by climbing above and running him down in a shallow dive or simply by flying at my plane's best speed altitude.
I sometimes wonder if there is anything you can't do :)
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The mossie was used down and dirty at tree top level.
with a perk cost most people will stay away from that
(I do it anyway)
your thinking of the (Mossie 6) Fighter the bomber (Mossie 16) was a high alt bomber
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I sometimes wonder if there is anything you can't do :)
I can't eat butterbeans :old:
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I like the XVI its a unique challenge in AH. no defensive guns, no rudder-turning from a gun position and if you're avoiding combat, you're doing it right! :aok
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I can't eat butterbeans :old:
(http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx185/XxXarcticatXxX/images.jpg)
I dunno...i suppose if you cook him long enough you could. :D
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I can intercept a mossie regardless of his altitude in yak9, ta152, spit XIV, Spit IX, P51d, p51b, all p47s, 190d-9, and a couple of F4U by climbing above and running him down in a shallow dive or simply by flying at my plane's best speed altitude.
Some of those aircraft aren't even as fast as the Mosquito Mk XVI, so no, you can't.
I know you are full of yourself, but lying doesn't help your image.
If you try intercepting in the F4U-1A, for example, and fly at your best altitude you will be thousands of feet below the Mosquito and only slightly faster. Even if you do manage to match the X and Y coordinates with him what are you going to do? Yell at him?
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Aren't you the guy who said you can't be bothered to fly anywhere near 30,000 feet?
I did not specify the f4u1-a or f4u1-d.
I said "a couple of the F4u".
You picked one of the slowest two.
Try the F4U1.
I routinely intercept planes faster than the 110g with it by using a proper interception strategy and pretending any plane I am intercepting is a B29.........which is why I run them down in slower planes.
I spend most of my time above 30,000 feet in aces high which is why I was the guy who found these two bugs.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6017/6004123029_a629a8b057_b.jpg)
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The Mosquito is faster than the B-29, fyi.
There is no way you will intercept a skilled Mossie that is hitting towns of bases. If the Mossie is hitting the city and it is deep inside enemy territory you can intercept it in a number of aircraft, but even then you'd better have some speed to work with at 28,000ft.
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I wish I had the amount of skill and time icepac has. :joystick:
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I chased a set of Mosquitos in a P-51D I saw while at about 25000 ft. I caught up to them fairly easy (about a sector) but the guy bailed on me before I got in shooting range. I did not get the proxy kill on him so I guess the joke was on me lol. I guess he figured I was going to get him anyway and he was going to lose his perks so why give me the kills. I get that.
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It took you five sectors to get to 25k in a K-4? What K-4 was that?
was using a 300mph climb rate trying to keep my eyes on him, you know...climbing straight up sounds great but second he's out of dar range its a mystery when people turn left or right :)
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I chased a set of Mosquitos in a P-51D I saw while at about 25000 ft. I caught up to them fairly easy (about a sector) but the guy bailed on me before I got in shooting range. I did not get the proxy kill on him so I guess the joke was on me lol. I guess he figured I was going to get him anyway and he was going to lose his perks so why give me the kills. I get that.
He ought to have been higher to start with, but even limited like that he ought to have fought you. The Mossie is more agile in the turn than the P-51D is and it is possible to stretch the fight out too long for the P-51.
Never never never give up.
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He ought to have been higher to start with, but even limited like that he ought to have fought you. The Mossie is more agile in the turn than the P-51D is and it is possible to stretch the fight out too long for the P-51.
Never never never give up.
A P51D with over a half tank of fuel would take a lot of out lasting and a ton of fancy flying in a plane with no guns. The guy should have maybe tried but he would still lose two of his drones to me even if he got away in one plane. The way he did it I flew after him for 10 minutes and got nothing. It is called Scorched Earth Policy. I will burn it all and die before I give it to you.
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I have done a little research and found that our aircraft are a little miss-named....
The mossie RB16 was a high altitude photo recon/bomber (the one we have)
The mossie FB6 was a mid altitude fighter/bomber (the one we have)
The mossie B6 was the ultra-low level bomber variant
The mossie F15 was a high altitude bomber intersepter
The mossie A18 was cannon armed variant
I seem to be using the wrong plane for the wrong job.....
so yes just leave it perked but now give me the B6 variant
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I have done a little research and found that our aircraft are a little miss-named....
The mossie RB16 was a high altitude photo recon/bomber (the one we have)
The mossie FB6 was a mid altitude fighter/bomber (the one we have)
The mossie B6 was the ultra-low level bomber variant
The mossie F15 was a high altitude bomber intersepter
The mossie A18 was cannon armed variant
I seem to be using the wrong plane for the wrong job.....
so yes just leave it perked but now give me the B6 variant
And? :headscratch:
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tuton25,
No such thing as a Mosquito B.Mk VI. There was one planned as a bomber version of the FB.Mk VI but it never went further than paper. It would have used the same Merlin 25s as the FB.Mk VI had it been built. Mosquito B.Mk IVs were used on low altitude raids quite a few times, so that may be what you want. The B.Mk IV would also not be perked in the LWA and perhaps not in the MWA and would be perked in the EWA. The only misnaming HTC does on British aircraft is eliminating the letters in front of the "Mk" on some aircraft.
From memory, major wartime marks of the Mosquito:
Mosquito F.Mk II: Merlin 21s or 23s. Mid altitude fighter, some later equipped with radar, no internal bombs
Mosquito B.Mk IV: Merlin 21s or 23s. Bomber with capacity for four 500lb bombs internally.
Mosquito PR.Mk IV: Merlin 21s or 23s. Photo recon aircraft.
Mosquito FB.Mk VI: Merlin 21s, 23s or, mostly, 25s. Low altitude fighter-bomber with capacity for two 500lb bombs internally and two under the wings or rockets.
Mosquito B.Mk IX: Merlin 70 series engines. High altitude bomber with capacity for four 500lb bombs internally.
Mosquito NF.Mk XIII: Merlin 25s. Nightfighter with radar in nose, no .303s just four 20mm.
Mosquito B.Mk XVI: Merlin 72/73 or 76/77. High altitude bomber with capacity for a 4,000lb bomb and provision for a 500lb bomb under each wing.
Mosquito PR.Mk XVI: Merlin 72/73 or 76/77. High altitude photo recon aircraft.
Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII: Merlin 25s. Fighter-bomber armed with a 57mm cannon and two or four .303s.
Mosquito NF.Mk XIX: Merlin 25s with nitrous oxide injection. Nightfighter with radar in a "bullnose" and armed with four 20mm cannons.
Mosquito NF.30: Merlin 76/77. High altitude nightfighter with radar in a "bullnose" and armed with four 20mm cannons. Provision for a 500lb bomb under each wing.
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ever fly it at 25k? mmm yeah, tried intercepting one once in a 109k (very late war 109 btw) - 5 sectors it took me to get to 25k - he simply dove and was gone before I could even get to alt.
5 sectors? Come on man, we are smarter than that.
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If you want to kill a mossie 16 above 30k you better be up there waiting for him when he crosses into your territory.
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tuton25,
No such thing as a Mosquito B.Mk VI.
From memory, major wartime marks of the Mosquito:
Mosquito F.Mk II: Merlin 21s or 23s. Mid altitude fighter, some later equipped with radar, no internal bombs
Mosquito B.Mk IV: Merlin 21s or 23s. Bomber with capacity for four 500lb bombs internally.
Mosquito PR.Mk IV: Merlin 21s or 23s. Photo recon aircraft.
Mosquito FB.Mk VI: Merlin 21s, 23s or, mostly, 25s. Low altitude fighter-bomber with capacity for two 500lb bombs internally and two under the wings or rockets.
Mosquito B.Mk IX: Merlin 70 series engines. High altitude bomber with capacity for four 500lb bombs internally.
Mosquito NF.Mk XIII: Merlin 25s. Nightfighter with radar in nose, no .303s just four 20mm.
Mosquito B.Mk XVI: Merlin 72/73 or 76/77. High altitude bomber with capacity for a 4,000lb bomb and provision for a 500lb bomb under each wing.
Mosquito PR.Mk XVI: Merlin 72/73 or 76/77. High altitude photo recon aircraft.
Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII: Merlin 25s. Fighter-bomber armed with a 57mm cannon and two or four .303s.
Mosquito NF.Mk XIX: Merlin 25s with nitrous oxide injection. Nightfighter with radar in a "bullnose" and armed with four 20mm cannons.
Mosquito NF.30: Merlin 76/77. High altitude nightfighter with radar in a "bullnose" and armed with four 20mm cannons. Provision for a 500lb bomb under each wing.
From memory??!!..holy cr@#!!
I cant remember what I had for dinner 3 nights ago.
:salute to you sir. You are definitely taking your ginseng, Ma Huang or whatever its called brother!
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Karnak is welcome to bring his mossie to bomb a city complex this weekend and I will gladly intercept him......maybe even in a 110g.
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Karnak is welcome to bring his mossie to bomb a city complex this weekend and I will gladly intercept him......maybe even in a 110g.
As I said, the one exception is a city deep in enemy territory as it makes the Mossie's destination predictable. If the city is too close to the border it doesn't help though unless you are in the habit of loitering around in a WWI style patrol, but that isn't really a full interception sortie as you took off with no target in mind. I've done those in P-47Ns and burned all of my fuel without an enemy showing up.
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tuton25,
Karnak.....from memory??? wow....you're my hero!!!!!!
From memory, major wartime marks of the Mosquito:
Mosquito F.Mk II: Merlin 21s or 23s. Mid altitude fighter, some later equipped with radar, no internal bombs
Mosquito B.Mk IV: Merlin 21s or 23s. Bomber with capacity for four 500lb bombs internally.
Mosquito PR.Mk IV: Merlin 21s or 23s. Photo recon aircraft.
Mosquito FB.Mk VI: Merlin 21s, 23s or, mostly, 25s. Low altitude fighter-bomber with capacity for two 500lb bombs internally and two under the wings or rockets.
Mosquito B.Mk IX: Merlin 70 series engines. High altitude bomber with capacity for four 500lb bombs internally.
Mosquito NF.Mk XIII: Merlin 25s. Nightfighter with radar in nose, no .303s just four 20mm.
Mosquito B.Mk XVI: Merlin 72/73 or 76/77. High altitude bomber with capacity for a 4,000lb bomb and provision for a 500lb bomb under each wing.
Mosquito PR.Mk XVI: Merlin 72/73 or 76/77. High altitude photo recon aircraft.
Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII: Merlin 25s. Fighter-bomber armed with a 57mm cannon and two or four .303s.
Mosquito NF.Mk XIX: Merlin 25s with nitrous oxide injection. Nightfighter with radar in a "bullnose" and armed with four 20mm cannons.
Mosquito NF.30: Merlin 76/77. High altitude nightfighter with radar in a "bullnose" and armed with four 20mm cannons. Provision for a 500lb bomb under each wing.
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If you want to kill a mossie 16 above 30k you better be up there waiting for him when he crosses into your territory.
Some people don't quite figure this out.
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"From memory" was not me bragging. It was me throwing an excuse out there if I got any of that wrong.
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Icepac since tour 148 you have had 4 mossi kills 2 in a ship gun 1 in yak and 1 in 202
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Bring your mossies and I will intercept them.
I'm waiting.
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Bring your mossies and I will intercept them.
I'm waiting.
I'm not coming as I am at work. :neener:
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lol since tour 140 you have killed most mossi's with either a ship gunner (2) or a lancaster (2) or the one i liked was the m3
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You are also welcome to bring your mossie to the strats.
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I appreciate your invite
but as we both know I am no match to your awesomeness
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You're still mad about me bringing down hq with .salvo 13 from the lancasters and saving one bomb to kill your m3?
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I have no idea what you are talking about
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I have no idea what you are talking about
I was mistaken.....it was Biggamer who's m3 I got with the left over bomb after dropping HQ.
It was you who sent the nasty PM because you were nearby.
I challenged you early on today in the arena to up some mossies and prove your claim but saw no mossies all day.
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icepac,
I will try to make some time during the week. My days off are Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. No promises right now though as I have a lot going on.
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I was mistaken.....it was Biggamer who's m3 I got with the left over bomb after dropping HQ.
It was you who sent the nasty PM because you were nearby.
I challenged you early on today in the arena to up some mossies and prove your claim but saw no mossies all day.
if you are referring to me I did not send any nasty Pm's please stop lying
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He ought to have been higher to start with, but even limited like that he ought to have fought you. The Mossie is more agile in the turn than the P-51D is and it is possible to stretch the fight out too long for the P-51.
Never never never give up.
Co alt co E, the mustang will fly circles around the mossie at any alt. I dont know where you are getting this whole more agile thing.
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Karnak is welcome to bring his mossie to bomb a city complex this weekend and I will gladly intercept him......maybe even in a 110g.
Lets say that you are waiting for it. If the mossie evades your first pass, you will never see it again.
Co alt co E, the mustang will fly circles around the mossie at any alt. I dont know where you are getting this whole more agile thing.
You got it backwards. I have not tested the Mossie XVI turning at high alt, but the mossie VI on the deck will flat out turn the P51D and handily so as long as it got the WEP. Mossie VI without WEP is a bit underpowered for stall turning. I am talking about sustained turn at speeds lower than 200 when the Mossie flaps come out. Above 200, and instantaneous turns, the P51 holds the advantage.
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Co alt co E, the mustang will fly circles around the mossie at any alt. I dont know where you are getting this whole more agile thing.
From all the P-51s that I've killed in the Mossie VI. None of them seem to be able to turn with me.
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Bring on the mossies and I will intercept them.
If you see me in the arena and I am on a different country, send me the challenge.
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Bring on the mossies and I will intercept them.
If you see me in the arena and I am on a different country, send me the challenge.
Will do, but I'll do it as I cross into your radar coverage, otherwise it isn't an intercept but rather a WWI style patrol.
I will pick a target fairly deep into enemy territory. It could be the city, a factory complex, a town or an air field. I will commit to that target but I won't tell you what it is, though I will assure you it won't be in Me163 range. I will also be using a single Mosquito Mk XVI as I don't use formations with it.
Which fighter do you think you'll use?
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Sometimes, a player's failure to plan surprises me. Apologies to any for whom planning ruins their fun. Here's an example. A month or so ago, I was chasing dar bars and hi-alt dots for want for a better thing to do.
I think I was in a Hellcat: a great plane but not a hot rod. I flew towards a base thinking it was my foe's most likely target. And, I was right. Turns out it was a formation of Mossie Buffs. Not at their speed zone but between the cloud layer and 20K. I put it out on country, and heard no response.
But how I found out that he was flying a Mossie was the guy, after dropping, flew back into dar rings rather than skirting them. On that map, forget which one, there was ample room to fly home out side of the rings.
Moral of the story: find your ride's speed zone. Allow enough time to achieve that speed, and do what needs to be done to maintain whatever advantage you have. And plan a way to get home. Especially with perk planes.
And the crowd who says "that's too much work and ruins my fun" might be exactly right, for I see such exhibited frequently.
Flown at the right alt, speed, and in the right places, our buff Mossie is a beast. "Unstoppable?" By no means. But a good deal of forethought can add to one's "fun," especially if you have bud's in tow.
My way isn't to fly at 35K feet and not be threatened. It is to make reasonable choices ahead of time given the bird, objective, and likely deterrence one might encounter. The easiest thing I found is Aces High is to fly dumb. I still do it to myself from time to time.
Oh, end of the Mossie story. I never got close enough, but other Bish players did. He didn't make it home all for a lack of planning.
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Hap,
When I fly a Mossie bomber sortie, I prefer that people try to intercept me. It makes it more interesting.
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Will do, but I'll do it as I cross into your radar coverage, otherwise it isn't an intercept but rather a WWI style patrol.
I will pick a target fairly deep into enemy territory. It could be the city, a factory complex, a town or an air field. I will commit to that target but I won't tell you what it is, though I will assure you it won't be in Me163 range. I will also be using a single Mosquito Mk XVI as I don't use formations with it.
Which fighter do you think you'll use?
Yak9 if it is short notice and 110g if it is over strats.
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Is your in game name "icepac"? Mine is "Karnak".
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Someone mentioned mossies at 25k over a field but they only penetrated half a sector in and bombed two towns along the coast.
If this plane is truly immune to interception, I would be hitting the strats with it.
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Hap,
When I fly a Mossie bomber sortie, I prefer that people try to intercept me. It makes it more interesting.
Me too, except for last night, I was on my 4th rearm and damned Zoney rolled up in my gravy while I was getting some more Michael Collins (medicinal) - shanks a wing, just keeps on his merry little bastard way.
( :salute Zoney)
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Someone mentioned mossies at 25k over a field but they only penetrated a single sector and bugged right back out.
I hit Bish city last night. Unfortunately I think I arrived shortly after a bomber raid and there was a Bf109K-4 up there even though I had avoided entering radar until the final run. Still, almost made it out. He, Pounder, ran out of fuel two or three minutes after he got me. He said it was the longest chase he'd ever had.
Took him about five or six sectors to catch me.
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I think the Mossi B Mk 16 is perked about perfect. It if was not, we'd see them spammed against CV's, etc.
Their speed at 27,000 makes them almost impossible to intercept, especially if they are empty (408mph TAS). Of the number of times I've taken them up I've been intercepted once. In the same flight I had a P51 and a P38 who had superior alt on me (I was at 20k), and they were able to dive down and catch me. A quick jink and 1 of them were able to get lucky and get 1 bomber, but on their egress they went down and away to my rear and they never caught up because I was able to drop ord on the target, grab alt to 27k, and RTB 7 sectors away. The P51D may have eventually caught up, but I'm thinking the player didn't want to invest that much time.
Many times I've only seen a dot in the distance, it is no wonder that these were more efficient than the Lancasters in WWII. They were able to get in higher, get in much faster, only drop 1/4th the ord, and get out much faster.
I vote to leave them as in, thanks to the new strat settings they now have new life. :aok
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Bring your mossies and I will intercept them.
I'm waiting.
... and the is the beauty of it: you have to BE there when they arrive (ultimately with superior alt), otherwise you have a very slim chance of chasing them down. If there is an escort fighter (P47x), then a single pass intercept may happen but a legit pursuit isn't.
Stop and think which fighters can pursue at 27,000 ft and catch them. The list of fighters with that kind of speed and range is shorter than most think.
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PM me in the arena when you are over the strats with a mossie.
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In the same flight I had a P51 and a P38 who had superior alt on me (I was at 20k), and they were able to dive down and catch me. A quick jink and 1 of them were able to get lucky and get 1 bomber, but on their egress they went down and away to my rear and they never caught up because I was able to drop ord on the target, grab alt to 27k, and RTB 7 sectors away. The P51D may have eventually caught up, but I'm thinking the player didn't want to invest that much time.
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On the few flights I had with the Mossie XVI, I never took the drones. Then again, I also did not climb to 27 kft either. The XVI's first line of defense is speed. The second is manoeuvrability. If a fighter has some alt on me, enough to dive into firing position, I want to be able to evade - I cannot do so with the drones. If one leaves the drones at home, he has a bomber that can maneuver with anything that is able to catch it. It is easy enough to throw off a pass from a P51 and start the chase all over again. Especially at 20+kft every move drains a lot of E and the circles are much larger than down low (result of high true speed and low indicated speed), so it is much easier. Meanwhile, we are covering a lot of ground towards home.
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I can't eat butterbeans :old:
I beat Icepac can by simply eating at his beans best possible altitude or simply climbing above the bean then diving in at a shallow angle
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Me too, except for last night, I was on my 4th rearm and damned Zoney rolled up in my gravy while I was getting some more Michael Collins (medicinal) - shanks a wing, just keeps on his merry little bastard way.
( :salute Zoney)
Sitting here at work with this HUGE grin on my face now. I have never been so happy to be called a little bastard. 80hd already knows, but for the rest of you all, right after this happened, 80hd and I had a great 5 minute conversation with PM's.
There is no game without the folks that play. I have absolutely no interest in playing a computer game against a computer.
I was in a ME262 for that kill on 80hd, at 27k, doing my small part to protect the strats. Hung out waiting for the next enemy which the dar showed inbound. Here they come, B17's at 30k.
I got lucky and got all 3 of those too, and then out of ammo I turn for home. I'm at 32k now in the Hoover and even though the B17's are dead, I still got a darbar in the sector and the strats are flashing. Well, ammo or not I'm going to at least take a look at what it is. I'm amazed when I see a lone spitfire, higher than me, in an excellent position to threaten me. I turn back over the strats, the spitty goes from 1.5 out to 1.0 out but I'm slightly nose down down so I start to gain a bit and heave a sigh of relief.
Then on 200 I see, "Icepak": blah blah blah, call the 262 running names, blah blah blah...................... I laughed a bit to myself but declined to respond or even ID who I was. I guess you were once again "Exploring the boundaries of the game" as you have so succintly put it in the past. I did notice that you then punished the dar of the nearest v-base right after that and died not too long after that so it looks like you can call your mission "successful" from that. You know, killin that v-base dar, away from any fight.
Yup Icepak, I'm teasing you a bit here :salute but now in all seriousness, do you think that everyone else is wrong about how hard a well flown mossie is to intercept? I think I'm a pretty good high altitude interceptor. I just about live in that P47N. She can do 440 mph at 34,000 feet. Unless I do everything right, or the mossie pilot is doing things wron, intercepting one at alt, at speed is very very difficult at best. I believe it was I that intercepted the Mossies that Hap spoke of just a bit ago in this thread.
:airplane: See you boys up there soon :salute
I love this game, thank you Hitech.
Wait, this thread is about perk costs for the Mossie. I personally would like to see them reduced, maybe by about half. I say that because I think they are used less than they should be, but that is just my opinion and I'm not much of a buff pilot.
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Flying an oak tree that turns like a Mack truck is not my idea of fun but I have noticed some guys are really good in those Mossies.
to all of them. I have no prob unperking it.
+1
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I was mistaken.....it was Biggamer who's m3 I got with the left over bomb after dropping HQ.
It was you who sent the nasty PM because you were nearby.
I challenged you early on today in the arena to up some mossies and prove your claim but saw no mossies all day.
Now its getting good. :t
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Bring on the mossies and I will intercept them.
If you see me in the arena and I am on a different country, send me the challenge.
You are issuing the challenge the onus is on YOU to keep track of WHO is on what country
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That's cool....I will change countries once the challenge is issued.
As far as zoney's 262...........You were generating no dar bar and I only knew you were there after I heard you.
As you know, I was over enemy strats on a large map IN A SPITFIRE VIII.....which is difficult to fly to strats and return....but I had already done it a few times before.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8036/7972149942_783d170567_c.jpg)
I still had enough fuel for the return trip until chasing you through the comfort of your strats did this (pictured below).....on the very first puffy ack ping.......of 7 hits I received while twisting and turning through it.
Hitting something (the dar and an ack) was the obvious choice since a return trip was out of the question.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8319/7972155256_711ca882a8_c.jpg)
Your running away was no more heroic than your bailing after a con climbed up 30k to intercept you back in warbirds.
Gentelmen of Warbirds, I am having trouble remembering my account information so I have asked Broz, my CO to post this for me.
This morning, I feel stupid and embarrassed.
I was completely out of control while flying last night.
I offended everyone in the game. I offer my sincere apology to averyone, especially whiznr and the 352nd.
You did nothing that justifies my actions, I was completely wrong.
The JG27th squad has been embarrassed by my childish behavior, I apologize to them also.
I will no longer be monitoring 100, or hopping on even for a quick salute.
I have nothing to apologize in the way I fly. I fly a sim, I dont play a game. I try to make the same decisions that
I would if it were real. I will not just furball all day, its stupid. I do not disconnect from the game in flight.
Stop accusing me of it, everyone gets disconnected. I never bail. I never ditch in enemy territory. I fly to complete each mission, or die while trying.
Thank you,
Zoney
I still have multiple films of you doing what you claim you do not do and will gladly post them on youtube with a link here.
If you're going to talk smack, you had better check youself in the mirror first.
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That's cool....I will change countries once the challenge is issued.
As far as zoney's 262...........You were generating no dar bar and I only knew you were there after I heard you.
As you know, I was over enemy strats on a large map IN A SPITFIRE.
After you dove to the comfort of your ack while I chased you, I no longer had the range to get home because I was IN A SPITFIRE a billion sectors from any friendly base.
sounds like a failure of SA all the way around. Jet snuck up on you(keep eyes outside the cockpit) over dangerous Flak(why would you go in there if not a buff) and let a jet sucker you into a chase(no fuel left)
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That's cool....I will change countries once the challenge is issued.
As far as zoney's 262...........You were generating no dar bar and I only knew you were there after I heard you.
As you know, I was over enemy strats on a large map IN A SPITFIRE.
After you dove to the comfort of your ack while I chased you, I no longer had the range to get home because I was IN A SPITFIRE a billion sectors from any friendly base.
FYI that map, unless you have your clipboard blown up a bit, the strats actually cover where you would see the dar bar, thereby masking it. I know I have been caught out by that myself a few times. I was totally shocked to see that Spitfire there and I remember thinking, "well maybe he is here to help the guy in the B17's" but you and he were different countries coming from different directions. You do some crazy stuff sometimes and not that my opinion means anything but I'm cool with that sir :salute
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Icepak, I guess I had a bit of lag because I did not see that last part of your post where you put the "Warbirds" quote in.
I know I was a jerk in Warbirds and have said so before. When I came to Aces High, I changed everything except my name. I am not a jerk anymore I believe.
I have apologized for my behavior. I owned up to it and kept my name instead of hiding from my previous mistakes with a shade. I have been not only civil to you sir, but frankly kind, I've
been as nice as as I can be to everyone here.
This is not the first time you have slapped me up the side of the head about the Warbirds stuff. I get it, you don't like me. I'm never going to be able to change your mind.
I give up, you win sir. What would you have me do ?
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+1 Nathan :D
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Icepak, I guess I had a bit of lag because I did not see that last part of your post where you put the "Warbirds" quote in.
I know I was a jerk in Warbirds and have said so before. When I came to Aces High, I changed everything except my name. I am not a jerk anymore I believe.
I have apologized for my behavior. I owned up to it and kept my name instead of hiding from my previous mistakes with a shade. I have been not only civil to you sir, but frankly kind, I've
been as nice as as I can be to everyone here.
This is not the first time you have slapped me up the side of the head about the Warbirds stuff. I get it, you don't like me. I'm never going to be able to change your mind.
I give up, you win sir. What would you have me do ?
You lied in your apology which makes it worthless so I really can't put any weight into what you say now either.
The films prove this out.
I gave my forgiveness in our PM conversation here and it only took a few weeks before you made that conversation worthless.
Back to the Mossie.
I have no problem with the perks being removed but a new fighter variant with the same performance as the current bomber might need some perking.
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Icepak, sir, are you talking about Aces High or Warbirds?
If it is Aces high, you may be mistaken. I believe your complaint is about me bailing when in trouble. I have bailed maybe 3 times in 3 years playing Aces High, all 3 was when I was stupid and hit enter 3 times by mistake. I do not know what you mean when you say I lied after our PM conversation.
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Back to the Mossie.
I have no problem with the perks being removed but a new fighter variant with the same performance as the current bomber might need some perking.
Why so? There are a number of fighters that significantly out perform the Mosquito NF.30. The reason the B.Mk XVI is perked is due to the difficulty in intercepting it and, probably, the way in which it would be abused if free. The NF.30 isn't trying to avoid being intercepted, it is either escorting or intercepting depending on its mission profile and that isn't subject to the same concerns.
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Why so? There are a number of fighters that significantly out perform the Mosquito NF.30. The reason the B.Mk XVI is perked is due to the difficulty in intercepting it and, probably, the way in which it would be abused if free. The NF.30 isn't trying to avoid being intercepted, it is either escorting or intercepting depending on its mission profile and that isn't subject to the same concerns.
It would be pretty fantabulous to have radar equipped fighters project a dar cone X meters in front of them.
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It would be pretty fantabulous to have radar equipped fighters project a dar cone X meters in front of them.
Or on jeeps so we can drive into enemy territory and be like a radar picket line, or when the horde kill the dar at a field.
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Why so? There are a number of fighters that significantly out perform the Mosquito NF.30. The reason the B.Mk XVI is perked is due to the difficulty in intercepting it and, probably, the way in which it would be abused if free. The NF.30 isn't trying to avoid being intercepted, it is either escorting or intercepting depending on its mission profile and that isn't subject to the same concerns.
I said "might need perking".
We won't know until it is in game for a bit.
One of the things that might make perking needed would be if HTC could implement it's radar which you could use to see enemy beyond visual range and outside of any active dar ring.
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It would be pretty fantabulous to have radar equipped fighters project a dar cone X meters in front of them.
AWACS did not exist in WWII. The avionics of any nightfighter in AH would need to be nonfunctional.
As far as a personal DAR cone, well, you'd be in icon range about the time you were in radar range.
I said "might need perking".
We won't know until it is in game for a bit.
One of the things that might make perking needed would be if HTC could implement it's radar which you could use to see enemy beyond visual range and outside of any active dar ring.
As noted above, airborne radar range wasn't nearly that far. It was much better than nothing at night, but wouldn't be useful at all in clear daylight.
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....What would you have me do ?
Quit flying higher than him and level out and go AFK when you see his icon? :bolt:
The Mossie perk is fine. It could be a little lower, but it's not all that awful.
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I'd say honestly just drop the perk value down to like 15 or 10 something like that and do the same with the 29 drop its perk value by like half or something it is a very difficult bomber to use up at 30k
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PM me in the arena when you are over the strats with a mossie.
Again, you missed the entire point.
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Why so? There are a number of fighters that significantly out perform the Mosquito NF.30. The reason the B.Mk XVI is perked is due to the difficulty in intercepting it and, probably, the way in which it would be abused if free. The NF.30 isn't trying to avoid being intercepted, it is either escorting or intercepting depending on its mission profile and that isn't subject to the same concerns.
From what I gather the Mossy NF.30 would be 10-15 eny at most. With a top speed of 407mph (just going by what my books say for now) It simply will not out perform anything - its only best option is speed and 4 hispanos in the nose.
Facts are the P-38L tips 400 at 25+, so the NF.30 is no faster, with wep the 38L is faster by a small margin.
Acceleration wise would be interesting, 38L is 5 seconds faster getting to 300mph then Mossy 16, then again not sure on the NF.30.
Climb rate would be quite an improvement, from barely 2000 in the mossy to 2,850 fpm, however 38L still out climbs it.
Turn radius the Mossy wins, however in the vertical, the 38 will win every time, not sure exactly what NF.30 would have, didn't check the wing loading.
As for the guns - 4 hispanos is its biggest asset, as for weight the NF.30 tops out at 21,500 full fuel and guns.
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Again, you missed the entire point.
Nope.......My point is that the Mossie is interceptable by a number of planes.
Sure, a mossie can duck in and bomb two town centers along the coast and duck back out but I can do that in a D3A as well.
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Wish i was badass as this guy :bolt:
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A P51D with over a half tank of fuel would take a lot of out lasting and a ton of fancy flying in a plane with no guns. The guy should have maybe tried but he would still lose two of his drones to me even if he got away in one plane. The way he did it I flew after him for 10 minutes and got nothing. It is called Scorched Earth Policy. I will burn it all and die before I give it to you.
I was doing the lone Mossie thing at 19k or so last month....had a co-alt 51 chase me for some 3 sectors....when he got to 1.0k, I'd hit the wep again.....keep it on for a minute or so...then cycle it back off. (I'm sure his was on the whole time) A couple 1.0k pings for all that distance....he gave up
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Nope.......My point is that the Mossie is interceptable by a number of planes.
Sure, a mossie can duck in and bomb two town centers along the coast and duck back out but I can do that in a D3A as well.
:rofl
Along the coast. I love it.
I have roamed across enemy countries with impunity in it, being barred only from the Me163 zone. I had a Spitfire Mk XIV spend about 35 minutes trying to get me on one flight and I hardly had to adjust my course to prevent his interception. Even Me262s aren't much of a threat as you can simply climb above where they can operate.
You are seriously equating the survivability of the Mosquito Mk XVI with that of the D3A1?
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I beat Icepac can by simply eating at his beans best possible altitude or simply climbing above the bean then diving in at a shallow angle
:rofl
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Anyone is welcome to send the mosquito challenge but I have yet to see DMgod or Karnak send it regardless of having seen them in the arena for hours while I am there.
The last map lacked the me163 and I spent tons of time intercepting b29s but saw no mossies.
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Anyone is welcome to send the mosquito challenge but I have yet to see DMgod or Karnak send it regardless of having seen them in the arena for hours while I am there.
The last map lacked the me163 and I spent tons of time intercepting b29s but saw no mossies.
I was on last night. Didn't see you.
I cannot be on tonight. Not sure about tomorrow, but it looks more promising.
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icepac you are a compulsive liar
no one cares about your challenges the same way no one cares about your tall tales on the BBS and 200
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Icepac can probably lift an F4F from a CV and intercept an AR234 at the radar ring at 15K before it drops on the carrier! He's just that good. :O
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Anyone is welcome to send the mosquito challenge but I have yet to see DMgod or Karnak send it regardless of having seen them in the arena for hours while I am there.
The last map lacked the me163 and I spent tons of time intercepting b29s but saw no mossies.
I never said anything about accepting your challenge all I stated was that since tour 140 you have not killed a single mossie w/ a 47 like you claimed you have
lol you are quite the story teller sir
you get caught talking more crap here and yet you sit there and denounce Zoney for being untruthful too funny
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It's simple.
While I've seen plenty of B29s the last two tours, I have yet to see a mossie.
Another reason to unperk it.
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icepac you are a compulsive liar
no one cares about your challenges the same way no one cares about your tall tales on the BBS and 200
Please state these lies you are referencing and any proof of them.
You can't just throw out a lie accusation without being called on it.
I am calling you out.
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It's simple.
While I've seen plenty of B29s the last two tours, I have yet to see a mossie.
Are they really THAT fast?
WOW! :O
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Are they really THAT fast?
WOW! :O
(http://www.imglols.com/wp-content/main/2009_04/i-see-what-you-did-there.jpg)
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Icepac can probably lift an F4F from a CV and intercept an AR234 at the radar ring at 15K before it drops on the carrier! He's just that good. :O
I heard he once caught a 163 in a Storch by climbing above it and going into a shallow dive at the proper intercept angle.
Sorry about rehashing old joke forgot about the bean thing
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I thought we were talking about the Mosquito bomber and whether it is in need of perks.
I've only run into them a couple of times.
Maybe the perk value does need rethinking.
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It's too bad you can't make it cost perks to use a Lancaster like a stuka. The mosquito is the coolest aircraft of the war and it would be nice to see more than the one model flying around. If it was possible to change the arming distance of the cookie so that they wouldn't work unless dropped from alts that they were dropped from during the war (anyone know what that was?) then maybe they could be unpeeled without increasing the level of obnoxious behavior. (Unpeeled is auto correct's contribution.)
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It's lightly perked as it is, for an ultra-high speed very maneuverable bomber. As has been mentioned already, the ability to deliver a single 4k bomb in very short order is probably why the plane is not unperked/lesser perked.
Like the AR234, I don't really see the point in taking up a formation of them, they are highly effective as a single plane.
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It's simple.
While I've seen plenty of B29s the last two tours, I have yet to see a mossie.
Another reason to unperk it.
icepac
tour 150 0 b29 kills 1 death by b29
tour 151 5 b29 kills 3 deaths by b29
tour 152 0 b29 kills 3 deaths by b29s
7 deaths and 5 kills not doing too good
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Mossie XVIs are rare in the MA, but they are out there.
While I was climbing out on Sunday night I saw the damage points spam from a landing Mossie XVI.
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It's simple.
While I've seen plenty of B29s the last two tours, I have yet to see a mossie.
Another reason to unperk it.
just because you did not see one does not mean they were or are not being used. :aok At 408mph TAS on the egress at 27,000 ft, you need to BE there when they arrive to... oh wait.... :aok
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Still waiting film or screenshot of a 1k+ NS-37 hit. Cmon, you said it was easy, so you must have a ton of them...right?.....right? :headscratch:
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The mossie was used down and dirty at tree top level.
with a perk cost most people will stay away from that
(I do it anyway)
Mosquito Mk XVI was not a low altitude Mossie. Its best speed is had at 28,000ft, at which altitude the only F4U that can catch it is a -4.
If you think intercepting the Mossie XVI in anything other than a rocket is easy, well, you've never had to intercept a Mossie driver who knew what he was doing.
Let me put it this way, if a Mossie XVI crosses a sea level airfield at 28,000ft at the same time that a Bf109K-4 takes off to intercept it the Bf109K-4 will be so far behind by the time it reaches 28,000ft that it would need to run WEP for 45 minutes in order to reach firing range. Good luck.
Further, if it were unperked, it would just end up being used to sling 4,000lb bombs at GVs.
The late war bomber version, not the fighter version, Meatwad.
+1 Karnak
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Still waiting film or screenshot of a 1k+ NS-37 hit. Cmon, you said it was easy, so you must have a ton of them...right?.....right? :headscratch:
Many years ago I took a 1k+ NS37 hit to my Spitfire Mk XIV. It put a hole in my radiator. It was very annoying as I had been playing "dodge262" while trying to keep this Yak at bay. Still made it home, but quite irritating really.
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Still waiting film or screenshot of a 1k+ NS-37 hit. Cmon, you said it was easy, so you must have a ton of them...right?.....right? :headscratch:
Please stay on topic and leave your ad hominem attacks for someone who cares.
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Please state these lies you are referencing and any proof of them.
you expect me to spend an hour searching through pages and pages of General Discussion and Wishlist threads searching for all your BS posts? yeah right
everyone has seen them. you're always claiming to have shot down this pilot or that pilot or to have killed so many of X plane, and strangely the stats never back it up, and you always say 'Maybe i'll post the film' and you never do :lol
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Please stay on topic and leave your ad hominem attacks for someone who cares.
It's just one screenshot... :headscratch: Can't be that hard.
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I have a film somewhere landing hits with NS37 but not getting the kill.
It will be hard to find but it does exist.
What is easier to find is that I said I CAN land hits beyond D1900 rather than saying "I did land hits".....even though I did.
Far easier would be for you to use the .target command and test it yourself.
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you expect me to spend an hour searching through pages and pages of General Discussion and Wishlist threads searching for all your BS posts? yeah right
everyone has seen them. you're always claiming to have shot down this pilot or that pilot or to have killed so many of X plane, and strangely the stats never back it up, and you always say 'Maybe i'll post the film' and you never do :lol
The only claim that was incorrect was rectified on this thread.
The burden of proof is on you to prove me a liar rather than flippantly tossing an accusation without doing the work required to back it up.
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It's not an accusation, it's a statement of fact that everyone who has seen your posts is fully aware of :)
You are a compulsive liar
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Coombz, your opinion means nothing because you are not flying the sim and I have noticed you only post in "argument threads" which means your posting here is only to argue rather than discuss the perking of the mosquito bomber.
If anybody else wants to lodge the "liar" accusation, please step up and take this wager............
You lodge the accusation with undeniable proof I am a compulsive liar.
If I am able to refute it, you have to leave both the forums and the game.
If you can prove me a compulsive liar, I will leave the game and forums.
This is only open to current players.
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I thought coombz did play? :headscratch:
Anyways
I have a film somewhere landing hits with NS37 but not getting the kill.
It will be hard to find but it does exist.
What is easier to find is that I said I CAN land hits beyond D1900 rather than saying "I did land hits".....even though I did.
Far easier would be for you to use the .target command and test it yourself.
So? I "CAN" land hits 4K away with the BK5 while shooting at the .target command too. :lol
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More lies, I do play Aces High (although not as often as i'd like :D )
I have an active subscription and flew as recently as 2 days ago
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That makes me incorrect when commenting that I thought are not actively playing.
Your accusation is that I am a compulsive liar.
Take the wager coombz.
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The classic angsty teenager 'leave the forum forever' competition :rofl it's like I've gone back in a time machine to 1999
I am at work posting from a phone, i can't dig up quotes of all your BS even if i wanted to, which i don't
Post some proof to go along with your tall tales in the future and maybe people will have a better opinion of you
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(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g256/BloodyBandage/successful-troll-is-successful.jpg)
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You made the accusation that I am a compulsive liar.
Back up your accusation or retract it.
It's that simple.
Back to the mosquito bomber and my challenge that it can be intercepted by more than a few airplanes in game......
Nobody has taken the challenge to send mossies deep into my country territory when I am on.
Instead they derail the topic with ad hominem hate posts.
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You made the accusation that I am a compulsive liar.
Not so much an accusation, more a well known fact.
Back up your accusation or retract it.
Or?
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I'm honestly amazed that anyone could even make an argument about unperking the mossie XVI last for 9 pages.
Theres litterally no solid case for unperking besides the old "I wants to fly it stupid-low in a high-risk enviornment, and not pay perks" argument.
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Half of the thread is about the Mossie, the other half is trying to get icepac to show some proof of his stories. :)
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Still, 4.5 pages arguing about whether to unperk the mossie XVI? Thats like more than 1 page of arguing whether the Tempest should be unperked.
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So? Look at the countless threads for a nuke, or kamikazes, or experimental planes, or post war planes, etc etc.
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I've set off for strats 6 times in a Mossie XVI.
First time, I didnt manage fuel, hit front lines at 20k and a P-47 spotted me, shot me down after a brief fight. Fair play. Second time, I was at 15k in my own territory when a 262 spotted me. This time I had managed my fuel and was able to evade him, had to jettison bomb to do so. Third time, was not intercepted but was killed outright by flak at 28k feet and 360 mph over strats. Fourth time, was not intercepted but got PW from flak at 29k feet, 360 mph over strats. Inevitable red screen and teleport back to tower happened 2 sectors later, still no interception. Last two times, made it to strats, made it past the "Magic-Mossie-PW-Flak", bombed city and landed. Second landing was post disco, so no name in lights.
Flak's biggest concern, will have to see the flak-kill rate after a few more sorties. With a bit of wisdom in fuel management and routing, the first dar bar I show which suggests strats comes when I'm near 30k, at full speed.
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I spent a few minutes scanning through previous posts. There is a ridiculous amount of boasting and BS there, but I've just picked out a few personal highlights
The 410 is fine...
...The only issue is how easily a lanc top gunner with a 303 can remove a wing while you are flying past at D900 with a single ping.
Riiiiiight
I can kill buffs from D1999 with a yak9t......
Sure you can
What I mean is that a yak9 at 35,000 feet is more stable as compared to a TA152 or Spit XIV which wallow badly.
:headscratch:
I still wonder why the top names die like noobs so often when I meet them.
This didn't seem to get backed up by anything on the stats page or any films, I wonder why? ;o
I feel the reason for the chiding is the fact that many won't fly as high as I do much like they will never get within 90mph of the speeds I drive cars.
They just don't do it and I do.
comedy gold :lol
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Icepak, quit sending me PM's in the game. Quit sending me Pm's here in the forums.
Let's be clear, ok, you are an idiot and i don't care what your opinion is. And no, I don't have to prove you're an idiot because you do that here every day, I'm done with you. Out.
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hey I got a Pm from icepac today as well. it was really nice
we were both rooks and he kept telling me to up mossies to the strats
when I told him no he replied that i had no balls
funny cause in this very thread he stated that I sent him nasty PM's and it seems quite the other way around
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:rofl
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Zoney...........you wonder why you had to make an apology to the pilots of IEN's warbirds and then you lie in your apology letter about bailing just as a fighter intercepts you?
It's all on film along your disrespectful and profane rhetoric on channel 100 yet you persist?
As far as Coombz.....I am a little disturbed with the amount of attention you leveled at me for discussing removing perks from the mossie.
You showed up into this thread immediately firing a volley at me for daring to state that the mosquito bomber can be intercepted by more than a few planes in this sim.
The quote about the 410 was written the first few days it existed within this sim and Hitech found it necessary to adjust the toughness of the airplane in two patches because it was too fragile.
Check the release notes for 2.28 patch 1 and patch 4 and you will find it.
The quote about the yak9 being more stable is an opinion and shared by more than one other on the thread from which you pulled it. If you're going to quote it, then add the other people who shared this view.
I can kill a buff at D1999 with the yak 9T NS37 gun and I may even have film......If not, I will simply do it.
The "top names" that I am referring to are not the top scorers but rather pilots I meet that actually will fight rather dive away to friends or friendly ack. I was also mislead by the AKAK vs ACKACK riddle in which the forum names of each are swapped for thier in game handles.
And for the last......you will surely never get within 90mph of my fastest speed which is over 267mph........and will likely be pushed to over 280 on our next trip to the kennedy space center runway.
That said, I wouldn't mind seeing more Mosquito bombers flying missions.
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I've set off for strats 6 times in a Mossie XVI.
First time, I didnt manage fuel, hit front lines at 20k and a P-47 spotted me, shot me down after a brief fight. Fair play. Second time, I was at 15k in my own territory when a 262 spotted me. This time I had managed my fuel and was able to evade him, had to jettison bomb to do so. Third time, was not intercepted but was killed outright by flak at 28k feet and 360 mph over strats. Fourth time, was not intercepted but got PW from flak at 29k feet, 360 mph over strats. Inevitable red screen and teleport back to tower happened 2 sectors later, still no interception. Last two times, made it to strats, made it past the "Magic-Mossie-PW-Flak", bombed city and landed. Second landing was post disco, so no name in lights.
Flak's biggest concern, will have to see the flak-kill rate after a few more sorties. With a bit of wisdom in fuel management and routing, the first dar bar I show which suggests strats comes when I'm near 30k, at full speed.
Dang Scherf, that is some bad luck with the flak there. I've hit the city many times in a Mossie and the worst I've had is one fuel tank holed.
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You showed up into this thread immediately firing a volley at me for daring to state that the mosquito bomber can be intercepted by more than a few planes in this sim.
another lie - what's the excuse this time?
i have no opinion re: the mossie, i just felt like highlighting your mendacious nature
so who are these top pilots who 'die like noobs' when you meet them? care to provide any film?
i won't hold my breath :lol
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Dang Scherf, that is some bad luck with the flak there. I've hit the city many times in a Mossie and the worst I've had is one fuel tank holed.
Heya,
Yeah, a sample size of four is no doubt a little small, was actually pretty amazed when, on the third run over the city, I didn't get the Magic-Mossie-Insta-Pilot-Wound. Was pretty p*ssed, going to get me that Billy Bob Thornton pw sound effect.
On the city tile, do the smaller structures count as buildings, or is it only the big grey shopping mall sized ones?
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another lie - what's the excuse this time?
i have no opinion re: the mossie, i just felt like highlighting your mendacious nature
so who are these top pilots who 'die like noobs' when you meet them? care to provide any film?
i won't hold my breath :lol
If you have no opinion on the mossie, then don't post in this thread with the intention of baiting.
I tried to take this to private messaging so we can keep the discussion on topic but you are determined to air your grievances here.
Please address any issues you have with me in private messaging from now on.
You're done baiting me here.
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I tried to take this to private messaging so we can keep the discussion on topic but you are determined to air your grievances here.
Another lie, I haven't received a single PM from you :headscratch: Are you sure you sent to the right person?
edit: not that it would make any difference, it was you who started with all this 'post the proof of me lying' stuff, now you're complaining because I did it in public? :uhoh
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You might want to re-read the thread.
Zoney is the one I was referencing regarding lying.
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another lie - what's the excuse this time?
i have no opinion re: the mossie, i just felt like highlighting your mendacious nature
so who are these top pilots who 'die like noobs' when you meet them? care to provide any film?
i won't hold my breath :lol
MENDACIOUS!
(http://www.lextopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/touchdown-thumb-600x401-88659.jpg)
Coombz wins the thread, please lock, thx.
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Zoney is a class act and a very nice person.
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Zoney is a class act and a very nice person.
10x this.... :aok
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You might want to re-read the thread.
Zoney is the one I was referencing regarding lying.
Zoney was an AK for a bit, and he is a lot of things, but not a liar. I have always found him to be helpful, cordial, and polite.
It seems icepac that you can't let go of past issues. Quit humping Zoney's ankle and move along.
Because of this thread, I took a mossie bomber formation up. Sadly, I didn't get intercepted at all even though I flew through 3 active nme radars attempting to get someone to engage me. I guess for me the perk cost question is TBD.
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Because of this thread, I took a mossie bomber formation up. Sadly, I didn't get intercepted at all even though I flew through 3 active nme radars attempting to get someone to engage me. I guess for me the perk cost question is TBD.
What bomb load and altitude did you use?
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What bomb load and altitude did you use?
I think it was 6 500's and I went to 20K
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I think it was 6 500's and I went to 20K
For best results go to 27 or 28k. You will be significantly harder to intercept up there.
Also be aware that there is a speed penalty with the external 500lb bombs even after they have been dropped. The hard points cost you 3-4mph.
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For best results go to 27 or 28k. You will be significantly harder to intercept up there.
Also be aware that there is a speed penalty with the external 500lb bombs even after they have been dropped. The hard points cost you 3-4mph.
ya, I know. I was just hav'n fun... I tend to error towards the "dangerous" side. My take on the game is engagement. Flying super fast at 28K where engagement isn't likely is no fun.
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ya, I know. I was just hav'n fun... I tend to error towards the "dangerous" side. My take on the game is engagement. Flying super fast at 28K where engagement isn't likely is no fun.
Well, it varies. My last sortie was at 28k with a single 'cookie' to the city. Unfortunately there was a Bf109K-4 over the city at about that altitude. I led him a merry five or six sector chase, but he did get me in the end.
Intercept attempts always make the sortie more fun, even if I lose the contest in the end.
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Well, it varies. My last sortie was at 28k with a single 'cookie' to the city. Unfortunately there was a Bf109K-4 over the city at about that altitude. I led him a merry five or six sector chase, but he did get me in the end.
Intercept attempts always make the sortie more fun, even if I lose the contest in the end.
:aok
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For best results go to 27 or 28k.
Whilst that may optimise TAS IMO the mossie xvi is more comparatively effective at 32k+.
Also an egress that starts with a shallow dive from 33> 28 k can bring dividends.
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Whilst that may optimise TAS IMO the mossie xvi is more comparatively effective at 32k+.
Also an egress that starts with a shallow dive from 33> 28 k can bring dividends.
True. Getting the 32k with a full fuel load and a 'cookie' does take a bit longer, but it can pay dividends. For example, you're already higher than the Me262 can effectively go.
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I'd say unperk it because if Icepac is near you are doomed. Really If you get caught low your done if not an unperk then lower the perk.
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I'd say unperk it because if Icepac is near you are doomed. Really If you get caught low your done if not an unperk then lower the perk.
Unperking it would be murder on GVs and CVs.
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Unperking it would be murder on GVs and CVs.
Not that these two things dont already get bombtared to death? Bombers already just cruise through flak and you will have lancstukas showing up to nay cc/gv fight at somepoint .
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Yea..but then I'd have to work harder for 3 free kills. :cry
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I just had some major fun in the Mossi B Mk 16. I upped a flight loaded with the cookie(s) and the 50 gal drop tanks. I pointed them in the direction of the nit strat targets and then minimize the game to get some work done...
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... when I come back the Mossi's are at 32k. I do a slight course correction and settle in to level flight about 3 sectors away from the target. I topped out at 365 TAS (DT's gone by now), opened doors about 30 miles out to let the speed settle back. Then I noticed a red dar bar just entered my sector. Oh look, a co-alt con at my long 3 O'clock. I was able to drop my cookies, close doors, and engage WEP while watching this P51D try and close in on my 4 O'clock, he is now 4500 yards and slowly closing. The drop was a success! I was able to bruise the radar factory for almost %20 damage (factory down to %81). A quick glance at the speed chart showed him to be faster than I at 32k, so I put the Mossi's in to a 400ft/min climb. He got within 1500 yards at roughly 35,000 ft and fired his wad all over the place, but not one drop landed on me (thankfully). He floundered around for another sector or 2 trying to keep up, but eventually he lost hope of keeping pace, I leveled off at 38,000 ft and cruised on back to friendly skies. I was 5-6 sectors away from the target when he went wings down for home. After all that I am glad he was NOT in a P47M/N. ;)
I landed safely with about 25 mins of fuel to spare. :aok
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The plane is a joy to fly, which is why I almost never take up formations.
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Not that these two things dont already get bombtared to death? Bombers already just cruise through flak and you will have lancstukas showing up to nay cc/gv fight at somepoint .
Lancasters are insignificant compared to what fully unleashed Mosquito Mk XVIs would be like. The Lancaster is a ponderous, helpless target in comparison, more than 100mph slower and much poorer climbing ability.
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Lancasters are insignificant compared to what fully unleashed Mosquito Mk XVIs would be like. The Lancaster is a ponderous, helpless target in comparison, more than 100mph slower and much poorer climbing ability.
Free Mossie MkXVIs would be worse than free AR-234b's
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Lancasters are insignificant compared to what fully unleashed Mosquito Mk XVIs would be like. The Lancaster is a ponderous, helpless target in comparison, more than 100mph slower and much poorer climbing ability.
which is why its so asinine we see them doin what they do Id rather deal with a cookie carring Mosookie(mossie carrin a cookie) then watch a lanc dive in and take out a line of tnaks
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which is why its so asinine we see them doin what they do Id rather deal with a cookie carring Mosookie(mossie carrin a cookie) then watch a lanc dive in and take out a line of tnaks
Lancasters kill very few tanks, on the scale of things, in AH. The whining about Lancasters is massively disproportionate to the effect they have.
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Lancasters kill very few tanks, on the scale of things, in AH. The whining about Lancasters is massively disproportionate to the effect they have.
Can't resist... current numbers:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/9c50f98d.jpg)
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Can't resist... current numbers:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/9c50f98d.jpg)
A20 must be close to the higest killer of GVs with ponys next in line?
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A20 must be close to the higest killer of GVs with ponys next in line?
Don't have kills of Gv at hand, but in kills of tanks the ranking is currently
A-20 - Il-2 - P-51D - F6F - Lancaster - F4U-D - Spit 16 (really!) - P-38L - B-25H - N1K2
A-20 is undisputed# 1, almost twice as many kills of tanks as the IL-2
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Don't have kills of Gv at hand, but in kills of tanks the ranking is currently
A-20 - Il-2 - P-51D - F6F - Lancaster - F4U-D - Spit 16 (really!) - P-38L - B-25H - N1K2
A-20 is undisputed# 1, almost twice as many kills of tanks as the IL-2
Well 500lbs is always nice. I relaly dont thik the Mossie + cookkie would surplant the A20 do you guys?
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Well 500lbs is always nice. I relaly dont thik the Mossie + cookkie would surplant the A20 do you guys?
It would be devastating at heavily defended ports and/or vfields where the enemies tend to pack in...
If your timing was right, and you let one fly on a vbase right as a hangar popped... (http://freeemoticonsandsmileys.com/animated%20emoticons/Violent%20Animated%20Emoticons/explode%20emoticon.gif)
For those that want to stay and fight, the A20 would be > Mossixteen, but for those that want to generate the most rage possible, it'd be a shallow dive, a 4,000lb dump, and a kekeke all the way home.
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I just had some major fun in the Mossi B Mk 16. I upped a flight loaded with the cookie(s) and the 50 gal drop tanks. I pointed them in the direction of the nit strat targets and then minimize the game to get some work done...
... ... ...
... when I come back the Mossi's are at 32k. I do a slight course correction and settle in to level flight about 3 sectors away from the target. I topped out at 365 TAS (DT's gone by now), opened doors about 30 miles out to let the speed settle back. Then I noticed a red dar bar just entered my sector. Oh look, a co-alt con at my long 3 O'clock. I was able to drop my cookies, close doors, and engage WEP while watching this P51D try and close in on my 4 O'clock, he is now 4500 yards and slowly closing. The drop was a success! I was able to bruise the radar factory for almost %20 damage (factory down to %81). A quick glance at the speed chart showed him to be faster than I at 32k, so I put the Mossi's in to a 400ft/min climb. He got within 1500 yards at roughly 35,000 ft and fired his wad all over the place, but not one drop landed on me (thankfully). He floundered around for another sector or 2 trying to keep up, but eventually he lost hope of keeping pace, I leveled off at 38,000 ft and cruised on back to friendly skies. I was 5-6 sectors away from the target when he went wings down for home. After all that I am glad he was NOT in a P47M/N. ;)
I landed safely with about 25 mins of fuel to spare. :aok
That's a lot of Awesome right there!
:salute
(How do you bring up speed chart for other planes while in flight? The number of times I could have used this....)
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Much easier to kill a Tiger or Tiger II with a 4,000lbers than with 500lbers. It would likely make those tanks into even more timid concrete sitters.
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Much easier to kill a Tiger or Tiger II with a 4,000lbers than with 500lbers. It would likely make those tanks into even more timid concrete sitters.
That's if you can get the off the concrete in the first place, and even then usually only veteran players will do it (not the timid ones).
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FWIW, I've been trying to repay HT's largesse with supply perks by upping Mossteens and even Tiger IIs (though less often, must have my Mossie).
Managed to raise enough goonie resupp perks to afford another XVI today, will post AAR.
(I must say though, nipping in to a contested base to drop supps from a C-47 then beat it has a pucker factor all its own...)
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(How do you bring up speed chart for other planes while in flight? The number of times I could have used this....)
Use the speed comparison on the HTC webpage
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Use the speed comparison on the HTC webpage
Or print out a reference book for yourself. I made one that includes the speed and climb charts, endurance at mil and WEP, list of loadout options, and length of WEP.
Added a section for GV's before I left. Had their armor and gun info, top speeds, and optical magnification.
Was really usefull during FSO and scenarios, when I had to man the radio.
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Thanks gents, will have to print out data for the major types. No way I'm alt-tabbing into the intardwebs to check the HTC page, that screws my graphics up.
Anyway, AAR as promised.
Epic, epic 1 hour 20 minute sortie to Bish strats. Took 100% fuel, 100-gal drops. Damn glad I did. Upped from a field near nitland, got to 20k over home field, passed behind a nit-bish fight at 25k, broke into open territory at 30k, ran down the dar-less corridor into nit strats at 31-32k. Small dar bars ahead, over city spot a 190 2.5k below me, going the other way. (On reviewing the film, it turns out it was a 152, Topbird at the helm). Drop cookie on wep, drop tanks away by this time.
Blast away to the west 32k, around 390 mph.
Small dar bar behind me, assume that's the 190. Another small dar bar appears on bish west coast, 4 sectors away. Once in that sector, a 109 appears, he's low 6 at 3.5k. "Uh oh" thinks I.
I break out over water, 109 in tow. Friendly dar rings draw closer, so does the 109. (Again, on reviewing film, it turns out it was that naughty man Chalenge.) He closes in to d800, too far below to get a good shot. Just as we enter dar ring on friendly coast, he gets to d600, just below.
I dive, manage to reduce throttle before Mossie shakes apart. Ping ping ping a ring-tinga-pingy. Mossie back under control, start to weave. Pingy wham. Still flying. Turn into attack. 109 roars past, turn back in, he's pointing at canopy, just misses. Cant get flaps out. Some more turns, flaps out, haul around.
Christ almighty, here comes a 190 now too. (Film says it's a 152 again, Topbird. Assume he trailed me for 5 or 6 sectors).
No pings for a bit, still flying. Another pingy wham. Still flying, to my amazement.
Dive, rolling. Call up map, where's the damn field?
Then, Deux Ex Machina, the cavalry arrives, in the form of EZRhino's 51B. "Hang on.... Comin'..."
190's icon further away, dive harder. 109's icon still back there but stretching away past 1000.
EZRhino's voice: "He's off you, you're clear."
Pass over closest field, keep going balls to the wall. Take stock. Left flap gone, right internal fuel hit. That's OK, still have 25% of left internal, enouogh for a while more.
Go inland another sector, hands shaking.
Line up on runway. Flaps out aaaaarghhh get it back in again. Land fast, stand on brakes.
Exit, name in lights.
I have not the faintest clue what the perks were, but bugger me that's some of the most fun I've ever had in AH.
Gotta say, the recent changes have really got my interest. Can generate enough perkies for awesome Mossteen flights. Can actually find, intercept and (wonder of wonders) shoot down American heavies with the 410. Can get half a clue which towns need most help.
:salute AH and the players named above.
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:rock
Sherf: "Hands shaking"
You are doing it right IMO.
Very nice write up sir. I will be looking for you. Watch for the high P47N. If you don't see me, look higher.
Never assume you are safe at any altitude.
Sometimes I hunt you, sometimes I escort you. I absolutely love what you described.
:salute
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Thanks Zoney.
I phearz teh high Jug.
:salute
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For a year or two I flew AR234's exclusively (formation, 3x 500 Kg @ 16K). That was milkrunning at it's finest. The only thing that could catch me was a 262 and it seemed every time one did I smoked at least one of his engines then simply flew away.
Later I discovered that the Boston was almost as effective. Very good climb rate, good speed and higher ENY with not much loss in defensive power. One day I flew Bostons on a strat raid (old zone strat system) on the pinwheel map several sectors into enemy territory. Eventually I picked up a P-51D. He started as dar bar a couple of sectors away from me and after a four sector chase he caught me. I was flying in formation and evaded until he ran out of ammo without a kill then broke off and I landed.
Bostons are no where near as fast as the Mossie bomber and their top speeds are at much lower alts. Beyond that the Mossie carries an even more effective bomb load. When you compare light and medium bombers against one another I think the Mossie's perk is well justified. It's a monster compared to a Boston which isn't exactly a whimp itself.
Anyway now I don't fly bombers anymore because HT decided to take that part of the game away. There's no targets worth going after anymore so I fly them maybe once or twice a year.
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. . . (Again, on reviewing film, it turns out it was that naughty man Chalenge.)
I guess you didnt see me come at you from 9oc. :D . . . I wasnt worried about EZRhino . . . you made it to your field and left me at 10% throttle idling it home . . . then disco on landing (Aces High has . . . ).
Nice waggling of the wings to avoid my 2 13mms! :aok
I was there just to point the way for Topbird. :devil
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Anyway now I don't fly bombers anymore because HT decided to take that part of the game away. There's no targets worth going after anymore so I fly them maybe once or twice a year.
That seems to have been addressed recently.
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I guess you didnt see me come at you from 9oc. :D . . . I wasnt worried about EZRhino . . . you made it to your field and left me at 10% throttle idling it home . . . then disco on landing (Aces High has . . . ).
Nice waggling of the wings to avoid my 2 13mms! :aok
I was there just to point the way for Topbird. :devil
Grins.
I did actually see you off my wing, thought I might have enough smash to just plow on through. I guess I need to print out those damn charts.
I got lucky in the end, didn't avoid all of the 13mms...
:salute
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Anyway now I don't fly bombers anymore because HT decided to take that part of the game away. There's no targets worth going after anymore so I fly them maybe once or twice a year.
You haven't noticed the fundamental strat changes???
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It would be devastating at heavily defended ports and/or vfields where the enemies tend to pack in...
If your timing was right, and you let one fly on a vbase right as a hangar popped... (http://freeemoticonsandsmileys.com/animated%20emoticons/Violent%20Animated%20Emoticons/explode%20emoticon.gif)
For those that want to stay and fight, the A20 would be > Mossixteen, but for those that want to generate the most rage possible, it'd be a shallow dive, a 4,000lb dump, and a kekeke all the way home.
yeah but the 4000lb is a one off thing its not really predictable or most folks would take the time to time the vh popping, and as you caught 8 x500lbs lets you loiter more and you will pretty much get 3 or 4 gv's if your aim is good.
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yeah but the 4000lb is a one off thing its not really predictable or most folks would take the time to time the vh popping, and as you caught 8 x500lbs lets you loiter more and you will pretty much get 3 or 4 gv's if your aim is good.
Good point(s), and the A-20 has some guns too.
The cookie might be one trick pony, but it's a damned big pony. It'd bring new meaning to the word bomb****, since you just have to drop it in the same grid sector as your target.
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In suggesting removing perks on the Mossie bomber, I had never considered it's effect on low altitude "wash, rinse, repeat" missions against ground vehicles.
I had only been thinking about it's longer missions to bomb enemy fields or strats rather than bombing GV's in your town as it is under attack.
Maybe perks should stay.
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You haven't noticed the fundamental strat changes???
No. I heard about it but don't remember what it was I heard (or read) and I think I've only logged a few hours on-line since then.
Between work and the effective removal of fun in attack planes and bombers my time in game has been greatly reduced and it's doubtfull it will ever be close to what it was or that I'll even pick those aspects of the game back up again regardless of what HT does at this point.
I've been weened from the game and it's not that bad.
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I just took a trio of Mossies to the strats and was pretty much untouchable, a 190 got to within 2.5k but it took him about 6 sectors.
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No. I heard about it but don't remember what it was I heard (or read) and I think I've only logged a few hours on-line since then.
Between work and the effective removal of fun in attack planes and bombers my time in game has been greatly reduced and it's doubtfull it will ever be close to what it was or that I'll even pick those aspects of the game back up again regardless of what HT does at this point.
I've been weened from the game and it's not that bad.
You might be surprised, the new strat system is awesome... the single best change I have seen in the game anyway (in my short time here).
High altitude performers are used FAR more now (152s everywhere, lots of Jugs as well) and there have been more B-29s spotted in a day than in entire previous campaigns (source: http://dublinopinion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/dan-obrien-irish-economist.jpg)
You can affect the war effort in very tangible ways by successfully bombing the strats, and you can get good results even with high speed raiders. A single AR-234, well piloted, can knock the enemy radar factory down 20% or so. B-26's are also great with 250lb bombs.
So, it not only greatly enhanced gameplay options, but it also made strategic bombing useful, as well as brought a lot more variety of aircraft into play than you'd normally see in the LWMA.
Check out the .dt commands as well, they are the unsung hero here.
The HTC team absolutely smashed this one out of the park, no doubt about it.
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Well, got to strats unintercepted again, got killed outright by flak, again.
This time I was at 31k, 350 mph +, turning and climbing.
Hmm. Eight times up, six times to city,three times killed by flak.
Am I just unlucky?
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Well, got to strats unintercepted again, got killed outright by flak, again.
This time I was at 31k, 350 mph +, turning and climbing.
Hmm. Eight times up, six times to city,three times killed by flak.
Am I just unlucky?
Stop and think of all the times you have been in puffy ack and NOT taken damage. In terms of the Mossi B Mk 16, you've been unlucky. But remember, it doesn't matter how many times you blow up, it only matters if you take off again. Right? :aok
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Yeah, I guess.
Don't mind taking damage, just p*sses me off that the flak finds the pilot so often. Makes me wonder about how the pilot shape is modelled - I run 256k textures, if that has anything to do with it.
Just took a Mossie FB.VI to Bish strats. Actually put down more factory buildings, but then again I was only goinng after one of the outlying factories, not the city. Maybe I'll take 4x500s to the city next time, see if I do more damage than with the cookie.
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Scherf, next time I see you on I'll take a trio of Mossies to the strat with you, hopefully all the puffy gets you :devil . I went twice yesterday first in mossies second Arados, not a scratch from the poffy and I took the jets in at 15k.
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Wilco, hope I'll bring you good luck.
Just call me "flak magnet." :bhead
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Well, got to strats unintercepted again, got killed outright by flak, again.
This time I was at 31k, 350 mph +, turning and climbing.
Hmm. Eight times up, six times to city,three times killed by flak.
Am I just unlucky?
Yes, very much so.
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Well I did two sorties to the strats last night, first was in a P47D40 - with 2,500lbs in ords.... Let me just suggest NEVER FLY BELOW 10K around strats... why? Meet Flak towers... Flak towers don't like you.
I made a dive for the City - I got my first bomb off when I started to climb away, I was PW already from puffy ack but tower ack knocked a wing tip off and killed me before I got back into the Puffy ack.
Second trip was in B-17s, I took a direct hit over the Strats at 18k, blew up one bomber, other then that I made 3 passes no problems, I did manage to shoot down two fighters in the process, one actually caught fire closing in on me from below from his own puffy.
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Am I just unlucky?
Yes, very unlucky as far as the Mossie and puffy ack goes.
Try throttling back next time; CV ack always seems to hit the fighters, but leave heavy bombers completely unscathed. Maybe if you fly at heavy bomber speed, the puffy will think you're just a B-24 or Lancaster, instead of a Mossie XVI :D.
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Yes, very unlucky as far as the Mossie and puffy ack goes.
Try throttling back next time; CV ack always seems to hit the fighters, but leave heavy bombers completely unscathed. Maybe if you fly at heavy bomber speed, the puffy will think you're just a B-24 or Lancaster, instead of a Mossie XVI :D.
Sadly, not true. The heavy bombers are simply so much tougher that they shrug off the hits they take whereas fighters just go down. The heavies do take more hits, they just don't matter.
I wonder how the game would be if the ratios were changed a bit. Tighten that flak box up at heavy bomber speeds, 280-300ish and below, so that the heavies aren't just taking a few more hit but instead are taking a very large number more hits.
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Just for the record, this month I have made 30 attacks on the strats so far.. Most of these kept me over the target for 20-40 minutes with about 10-20minutes in actual ack fire. Almost all of them in B-29's.
I lost only one B-29 to AA fire, and one more was so heavily damaged that I had to abort the raid and fly home.
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for the first time in probably 6+ months, i flew a sortie to the strats in b17's.. two passes thru strat city at 30,000. no damage to me or my drones. I _think_ i heard one ping, but no damage to anything.
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Two hours and 51 minutes to nit HQ and back. Had to glide part of the way, even then was on fumes.
So far I've been intercepted four times, got away three, though two of those times it was a close run thing, last night Snuggie was about a single .50 cal from finishing me, then ran out of fuel. I managed to stagger back to base, from behind bish strats.
To Snuggie's credit, he didn't then up another aircraft looking for vengeance. (I went below dar bar height just in case though. :bolt:)
:salute
Love the Mossie.
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Hmm, I have more fun flying a .50 cal deathstar and actually slowing down for them to catch me. :angel: Fun for me, fun for him. :aok
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Yeah, those long missions to the far-flung corners of the Evil Empires are very tiring.
Still, can't remember when I flew a bomber prior to these latest strat changes.
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Two hours and 51 minutes to nit HQ and back. Had to glide part of the way, even then was on fumes.
So far I've been intercepted four times, got away three, though two of those times it was a close run thing, last night Snuggie was about a single .50 cal from finishing me, then ran out of fuel. I managed to stagger back to base, from behind bish strats.
To Snuggie's credit, he didn't then up another aircraft looking for vengeance. (I went below dar bar height just in case though. :bolt:)
:salute
Love the Mossie.
I did sit on the runway and alt-tabbed out for a while, just in case you had a pilot wound. :D
If only there wasn't that Lanc formation at the strats. Well Lanc. It was Lancs, until he saw me and lost his drones doing a 180.
Still had 23 minutes of gas but only 2 by the time I caught you. Those suckers are fast!
Between you're deft maneuvering and my bad aim, your escape was inevitable. Well played. :salute
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Cheers mate.
:salute
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That thing goes so fast it's hard to drop accurately at speed.
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That thing goes so fast it's hard to drop accurately at speed.
Not really. You just need to give it a long straight run to settle its speed. Either open the bay doors before settling the speed or only open them a moment before dropping the bomb(s). Also, hold down the T key for 30+ seconds when calibrating.
All of the perk bombers have that problem where it takes a long time to settle on a speed and because they are all so fast they cover a lot of ground while doing so.
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Well, got to strats unintercepted again, got killed outright by flak, again.
This time I was at 31k, 350 mph +, turning and climbing.
Hmm. Eight times up, six times to city,three times killed by flak.
Am I just unlucky?
Film please, In particular I'm curious to what speeds you slowed down to while executing your climbing turn.
I suspect it would proove something I'm very suspicous about, changing speed quickly (in this case, decelerating) in auto-puffy is unrealisticly hazardous/damaging/"a-very-stupid-and-deadly-thing-to-do" in AH. If I understand the scripting, it is designed to be more deadly the slower you are flying your aircraft through it... however, they should be missing by a mile for maybe 30-60 good long seconds after you go from traveling at 350 mph to less than 250 (at ~30k).
Anywho, I'm on your side with your arguement, I suspect your death is a good instance of where auto-puffy should be briefly less-lethal at the moment that you're rapidly changing altitude, speed and heading almost 30k above the guns shooting at you (which would need maybe ~30 seconds to adjust and then start shooting at a more-effective/lethal rate on the reaquired (and now much slower) target). I think auto-puffy scripting is currently dependent on how many Gs your currently pulling in your aircraft to avoid or "evasive maneuver" the puffy - it's good enough in many instances but that doesn't make sence to targets executing low-G turns but who still should be getting missed by a mile as they're nowhere close to where the gunners 30k-below were expecting them to be when they shot the intercepting salvo.
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Film please, In particular I'm curious to what speeds you slowed down to while executing your climbing turn.
I've no means of hosting a film file, will email it to you if you want, PM etc.
These screenies should provide a start:
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/zap.jpg)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/zap2.jpg)
I'd started the turn 14 seconds earlier, climb was more a function of the Mossie suddenly being two tons lighter once the cookie was gone. I ended up going 200 feet up, lost 7 mph in the process but was back above 350 when hit.
Again, part of my :headscratch: is that I've only damage-inflicting hits I've taken from the strat flaks was to the pilot. Never lost any control surfaces, never an engine issue. Just zap to pilot. Twice immediately fatal, once eventually fatal.
I guess all up with the number of times I've been over the city (think it's 14 now), 3 losses to flak still represents a considerable loss rate.
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Well, while we're on the subject, it's happened again.
I was hit hard not once but twice by flak over Bish city. First one gave me a pilot wound, second one killed me outright.
That makes four Mossies lost in 15 or 16 trips over the city. I also have taken a 16 over both Nit and Bish HQ, and on a siren tour of four towns in Nitland, was not hit.
First two pics are the burst which PW'ed me, showing where the burst was and where I was hit, the second two pics are the subsequent burst which killed me.
First flak hit:
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/zap4.jpg)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/zap3.jpg)
Second flak hit:
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/zap5.jpg)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/zap6.jpg)
Initial PW especially p*sses me off, however I'll say no more for fear of engaging in wild, inaccurate and ultimately unproductive speculation.
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In your single instance above it seems to of been bad luck/randoms, the instances I'm thinking of are when you slow to ~250 or less. You do seem to of been doing a low G high-alt turn though, just with minimal climb since you seem to be maintaining a consistent speed.
I've observed flak to be on average less-lethal at the speed and altitude you're maintaining, but working against your favor is the fact that bad strikes can still happen, and mossie bombers are delicate, especially with such a large open glass canopy.... still, maybe they're too soft or another issue with puffy damage, but that's a different issue.
Personally, when I fly fast or soft bombers like the mossie to the strats or over a CV, I fly straight through the puffy after my drop, to maintain the highest speed and try to just fly through the puffy until it stops or significantly lightens, then I do my 180 turn or skirt around my target avoiding the puffy as I RTB. I'll still take hits occasionally, but I would be curious if you could try it sometime and tell me if you think it makes any difference for you on a couple sorties.
Edit: Yeah... you might just have the worst luck Scherf
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Here's the first time I lost a Mossie to flak, the very first trip I took over the city in one. Burst and hit sprite.
This one killed me outright. I'd taken a hit sprite to the lower fuselage a few seconds prior, however the end to this flight was BoomSnickOffSplashDed.
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/zap1a.jpg)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/zap1b.jpg)
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Second trip over city, second time I lost a Mossie to strat flak. This one PW'ed me, with the inevitable result.
Burst and hit sprite.
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/zap21.jpg)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad212/mhuxt/zap22.jpg)
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Double-checked, those are four separate films.
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I'll try flying straight until puffy stops, but I can't see that it can make a difference, as I've been hit low, high, faster, slower, straight and turning, before and after the strats.
I really don't want to just perk farm, though clearly it's more profitable than going to strats.
Saw one guy land 36k damage in a Mossie XVI - just prior to that there was a Bish upped from the southeast corner and went on a tour of Rookland towns, I assume that was him.
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lesson learned = don't fly mossies near strats. farm town centers instead. :aok
instead of unperk the mossie 16, I say get rid of AI puffy ack.. but that is several other threads :)
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Well, I've been hit many times by the flak over the city, but the only damage it has ever caused other than a hole in the skin was a punctured inner port fuel tank.
Dunno what to tell you, Scherf.
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Well, "inner port wing" seems a consistent theme, to say the least.
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Finished painting my friend's bakery tonight, gonna be open soon I hope now.
Gonna do one strat mossie sortie, shower and eat on climbout, and will see if I can loose some perks too.
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Heheh.
:aok
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I went to the bish strat a few more times today too but took trios. Still unscathed from my strat runs. I was going to give you a yell to see if you wanted to do one with me, but as usual the kids started being turds and my days flying was over.
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A while ago, I had strat ack take out the left wing on my Mossy before. I was surprised I didn't just explode outright considering it was a DIRECT hit. Most of the time I come away unscathed or with only a couple of holes here and there. Prior to the wing being blasted off, the most damage I ever sustained was a fuel leak.
I STILL say for a target of it's importance (especially now with the changes made), the Capital's are nowhere near heavily defended enough by puffy. :noid
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Scherf gonna hate me, got pinged once good first pass, two straight passes through the strats, only three holes to my port upper fuselage, outside and along the canopy, no damage. Average alt 28.56k, speed 375 for bombing (full throttle), going wep after drop until I cleared the ack on my second pass. 100% fuel, 6x500lbers loadout. Two towns hit and 4 drops on bish fuel for 25% of it... not too shaby if I say so myself. ETA til landing about 15-20 min.
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(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/Babalon84/AH%20Junk/MossieAckT01.jpg)
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/Babalon84/AH%20Junk/MossieAckT02.jpg)
(http://dannybrown.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/success_baby.jpg)
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Heheheh, yes, I hate you.
Nice run.
Haven't tried the 6x500s, will have to see.
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There seems to be an awful lot of left side favoritism by the flak going on here....
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Heheheh, yes, I hate you.
Nice run.
Haven't tried the 6x500s, will have to see.
The way my logic is with choosing the 500lbers is that it's as good if not better (more flexible) than the 4k cookie except when boming CVs, Shore Batts, or utilising a single mossie to score potato (no formation, repeatedly landing to rearm and then going out to bomb an untouched enemy town, rince and repeat for 3-4 hours (or longer)).
Which reminds me, I need to wish for a sound to be added that is (or can be configured) really loud and plays when you loose host connection. This way I can sleep, leave my PC on, and hide my mossie in a quiet hangar. If I DC, I wake up and reconnect. :aok :devil
There seems to be an awful lot of left side favoritism by the flak going on here....
I don't have film, but the holes in my plane would support that the only hit I took was to my upper port fuselage... also note that the first screenshot Scherf shared of one of his demises, he was executing a port-side turn.
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Which reminds me, I need to wish for a sound to be added that is (or can be configured) really loud and plays when you loose host connection.
Seriously, that would be great! I don't like to sit in front of my screen on my 2h+ bombing runs, as a matter of fact I don't even have the time. I do all my household stuff on climbeout, but it's rather unnerving to run back to the PC every 5 minutes to check if there had been a disco.
I really would like to have an acoustic alert that would call me back from the kitchen to do the reconnect in time!
:pray
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Seriously, that would be great! I don't like to sit in front of my screen on my 2h+ bombing runs, as a matter of fact I don't even have the time. I do all my household stuff on climbeout, but it's rather unnerving to run back to the PC every 5 minutes to check if there had been a disco.
I really would like to have an acoustic alert that would call me back from the kitchen to do the reconnect in time!
:pray
You're right, I could fold twice as much laundry or take twice as much time to enjoy my smoke breaks outside (and 30-feet away from my PC) without worrying "have I DCed in the last 3-4 minutes or not?"...
To the Batcave!
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double post, woops
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Well after about 8 unscathed runs to the strats in Mossie trios I finally died the death of a thousand mangy camels. It wasn't from puffy ack either, chalenge was co-alt in a TA-152 about a sector out, I ducked and weaved and lost two birds, unloaded some bombs on the strat, still no ack damage. On egress Chalenge started to chase me down again only to have a 163 cheat him out of his last kill.