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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Brooke on November 25, 2020, 09:05:17 PM
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After infection: daily aspirin, daily zinc, course of doxycycline, course of Ivermectin.
Various references:
https://youtu.be/cxmhvZ6eEI4?t=545
From Dr. Peter A. McCullough, Vice Chairman of Internal Medicine, Baylor University Medical Center. They use this course of treatment and feel that it works very well. They see three stages that lead to problems with Covid. First is viral replication, of course. Ivermectin, zinc, and doxycycline are for that. Second, for some people, inflammatory processes get out of hand (cytokine storm). Aspirin as an anti-inflammatory can help with that. If a person is in a hospital, steriods can be a yet more-powerful help (prednisone). Third, some people progress to having microthrombosis (micro blood clots, such as in the lungs and other organs, which is what leads to lung and other organ damage in some people). Aspirin is a mild anticoagulant that can help. If a person is in a hospital, then other blood thinners that are yet more powerful can be used (warfarin, etc.).
https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2020-08-19/ivermectin-triple-therapy-protocol-for-covid-19-to-australian-gp <--- being promoted by Dr. Thomas Borody, who developed the main treatment in the world for ulcers. This reference contains links to various other references.
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Also, daily vitamin D supplement looks to be very useful in prevention and reduction of problems if infected. There are lots of references for that.
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take vitamin d and stay away from sick people
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Seems this thing is a seven headed beast eh?
Not to mention once / when/ after you get it you now have the dreaded "pre existing condition" which means insurance will be ridiculous going foward
And I thought my meds for my stents are a pita lol
Eagler
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over dose of vitamin d will not help. you just do not want to be deficient.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science-idUSKBN2872LH
really good topic here. with lack of fda approval, we are on our own to get the best care possible.
:salute
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Taking a high dose of vitamin D (5000iu or more a day) requires supplementation with vitamin K2. Vitamin K helps transport blood calcium into the appropriate tissues. High doses of viamin D can cause hypercalcemia. Too much vitamin D can cause kidney stones.
That being said, vitamin D is such a potent immune system agonist, that it even causes the palms of your hands to produces antimicrobial peptides.
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Taking a high dose of vitamin D (5000iu or more a day) requires supplementation with vitamin K2. Vitamin K helps transport blood calcium into the appropriate tissues. High doses of viamin D can cause hypercalcemia. Too much vitamin D can cause kidney stones.
That being said, vitamin D is such a potent immune system agonist, that it even causes the palms of your hands to produces antimicrobial peptides.
Awesome
:salute
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And you can make your own vitamin D just by being out in the sunshine.
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I read somewhere if you are north of St Louis, you can lay outside naked all winter and not get enough uv to create optimal D levels.
Some theorized the less pigment in some people's skin help them through difficult disease pressure. A interesting concept when also applied to the current pandemic.
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Just for fyi, vitamin d tablets must be converted in the kidney into the active form. So you need to have taken your pills and built sufficient levels at least 3 days before infection. Possibly one week before symptoms.
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Just for fyi, vitamin d tablets must be converted in the kidney into the active form. So you need to have taken your pills and built sufficient levels at least 3 days before infection. Possibly one week before symptoms.
dont forget vampires are normally vitamin d deficient.
semp
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I read somewhere if you are north of St Louis, you can lay outside naked all winter and not get enough uv to create optimal D levels.
Some theorized the less pigment in some people's skin help them through difficult disease pressure. A interesting concept when also applied to the current pandemic.
I am on a weekly prescription dose of 50,000 IU of vitamin D and I work outside, and it is still way under the minimum required levels every time I have labs drawn. I have yet been able to increase the levels no matter what I do. Dr cant figure out why
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dont forget vampires are normally vitamin d deficient.
semp
That's why I take a daily supplement. :aok
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I don't take more than 100% rda vitamin D. Many vitamins are water soluble, so if you take too much, you piss out what your body doesn't need. Vitamin D is fat soluble and builds up in you if you take too much.
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Some theorized the less pigment in some people's skin help them through difficult disease pressure. A interesting concept when also applied to the current pandemic.
How's that?
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Because vitamin d deficiency is correlated with worse outcome from covid infection. In the old days, the only source of vitamin d was the sun. We now know if a person is north of st Louis vitamin d can not be made sufficiently in the winter. So there is a gradiant that moves with the sun where more or less vitamin d can be made. Any other factor limiting vitamin d production would add to this problem.
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Makes sense if the gov has told us to hide inside
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Eagler
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Thanks for the post Brooke!
I'm curious about Selenium. Would taking that help?
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I don't take more than 100% rda vitamin D.
The thing about RDA as my doctor explained it, it's not the "Recommended Daily Optimum", is it should be called the "Recommended Daily Minimum". It's the amount below which they know can lead to disease.
My doctor has had me on 7000 IU daily for a couple of years now.
:salute
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Thanks for the post Brooke!
I'm curious about Selenium. Would taking that help?
I haven't seen anything about selenium doing anything with regard to Covid, but haven't looked for it either.
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My covid cabinet is vitamin d, zinc, quercetin, and NAC.
Quercetin is a zinc ionaphore to get zinc into the cells to limit viral reproduction.
D is for the immune system.
NAC is to reduce inflammation by way of reducing super oxide.
Any info would be helpful.
:salute
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My covid cabinet is vitamin d, zinc, quercetin, and NAC.
Quercetin is a zinc ionaphore to get zinc into the cells to limit viral reproduction.
D is for the immune system.
NAC is to reduce inflammation by way of reducing super oxide.
Any info would be helpful.
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Are you taking that now as a preventive measure or is that for after you catch it?
Probably losing 30lbs, moving and exercise more would go along way as a preventative for most.
If this virus has shown anything, it affects the already "sick" way more than the healthy.
Sitting around with dickie do disease for years is all the "sick" this thing seems to need to make an otherwise runny nose an unpleasant illness at best.
Eagler
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The only preventive would be vitamin d, that I take now.
The others could be taken preventative if you were at risk of infection every day. Since I am not I do not take them. Plus they can have negative effects on the body if taken in excess or regularly. That said, this virus needs to be attacked from the moment of infection. Since you will not know when that happens, we are already behind the virus. When I hear of possible exposure, I have started my program at that moment. When the unknown settles out I stop the program. If I was to get a positive result, a call to the doctor would supersede anymore self medicating.
Next, this virus comes in two waves, the second wave is accompanied with or caused by our own body. Chemical signaling and viral location leads to clotting by way immune cells and or blood clotting factors. The second wave is not a viral resurgence. The virus is all but defeated. The problems and death are coming at this point, a consequence of the body's reaction to the viral outbreak. Thus why it is so important to limit viral reproduction before the body can overcome the invasion.
Just my opinion. I've got no experience.
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I haven't seen anything about selenium doing anything with regard to Covid, but haven't looked for it either.
I brought it up because I was listening to a scientist who was trying to figure out why some got it really bad compared to others. He thinks that maybe it's people taking cholesterol medicine which lowers the levels of Selenium as reported in studies. This could be weakening their immune system and causing people to have a much worse reaction to the virus than others. Idk. I have only heard it from this guy.
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Quercetin is a zinc ionaphore to get zinc into the cells to limit viral reproduction.
Yep. Egcg is a zinc ionophore as well, supposedly a bit more effective at it than quercetin.
I'm not taking quercetin or egcg and zinc prophylactically, though. Too much zinc can cause problems, and I don't know what dose of quercetin or egcg I'd take. I do take vitamin D, though.
My thought is that if I were getting sick and felt based on early symptoms that it might be Covid, I'd start on the Ivermectin route detailed above.
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Where are you getting ivermectin?
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Where are you getting ivermectin?
Seems to be key..
https://youtu.be/Tq8SXOBy-4w
Wonder why some fight this treatment???
Eagler
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I think he did well on the microphone. Hopefully someone in the regulation department got the point.
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Where are you getting
I would perhaps ask my doctor to provide it.
Interestingly, it turns out that various medicines are purchasable for veterinary purposes via amazon, wallmart pet rx, etc.
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That's funny. My cat got some gabapentin last week. I wonder why it took so long at the pharmacy and why they took my I'd twice. I now know why after researching the drug. Then this week my dog gets dexamethasone. Lol.
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https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/mountain-valley-md-confirms-800-increase-in-ivermectin-absorption-with-solubilization-technology-in-pre-clinical-trial-885662622.html
Ivermectin tech
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Regarding Ivermectin:
"I want to talk about that we have a solution to this crisis. There is a drug that is proving to be of miraculous impact. And when I say 'miracle,' I do not use that term lightly. And I don't want to be sensationalized when I say that. That is a scientific recommendation based on mountains of data that has emerged in the last three months."
-- Dr. Pierre Kory, founding member of Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance, currently in the ICU service at Aurora St. Luke's Medical Center, and former Associate Professor and Chief of Critical Care Service and Medical Director of the Trauma and Life Support Center at the University of Wisconsin.
From his testimony to Congress on Dec. 8, 2020:
https://youtu.be/Tq8SXOBy-4w?t=247
Summary of current data and references to the various studies:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/FLCCC-IVERMECTIN-Summary.pdf
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Posted that on the page b4 this one...
Gotta wonder why anyone testing positive isn't flooded with this from the very beginning?
Why the big push for a NEW drug when it seems we had plenty to fight it from the start?
Eagler
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https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/
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The existing protocols to ensure safety and efficacy have not allowed the drug to be approved. In order to use it it would be off label, putting all risk on the doctor and patient, and not covered, or recommended, or even approved by insurance companies the heather care system, and government.
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The existing protocols to ensure safety and efficacy have not allowed the drug to be approved. In order to use it it would be off label, putting all risk on the doctor and patient, and not covered, or recommended, or even approved by insurance companies the heather care system, and government.
And what is the delay?
Is it billions some wiil make for the new vaccine that will save us all?
Eagler
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The existing protocols to ensure safety and efficacy have not allowed the drug to be approved. In order to use it it would be off label, putting all risk on the doctor and patient, .
Yet it's been in use around the world and used successfully to combat Covid.
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And what is the delay?
Is it billions some will make for the new vaccine that will save us all?
Eagler
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Oh, dear.
Dr. Kory's testimony to Congress about the effectiveness of Ivermectin has gathered too much notice.
We can't (for obvious reasons) have the plebians knowing about Ivermectin.
Time for some marching orders to media, and a smear campaign to nip this Ivermectin thing in the bud:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9768999400
(Note that if you, like author Beatrice Dupuy, purport that "no evidence" = "clinical trials documented on clinicaltrials.gov, various published randomized control trials, and various published retrospective observational studies" -- perhaps you, too, can be helpful to the cause.)
Fnord.
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Oh, dear.
Dr. Kory's testimony to Congress about the effectiveness of Ivermectin has gathered too much notice.
We can't (for obvious reasons) have the plebians knowing about Ivermectin.
Time for some marching orders to media, and a smear campaign to nip this Ivermectin thing in the bud:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9768999400
(Note that if you, like author Beatrice Dupuy, purport that "no evidence" = "clinical trials documented on clinicaltrials.gov, various published randomized control trials, and various published retrospective observational studies" -- perhaps you, too, can be helpful to the cause.)
Fnord.
Brooke, you really don't have to go any further than what the ACTUAL research states:
"However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans.8,9"
Yes, Ivermectin has show promise in lab experiments. So has U.V. light. So has exposure to 100 C temperatures. Can we us any of those in a human body at safe and effective levels????
That doesn't mean that we shouldn't look into the efficacy in humans, certainly in concert with other treatments..... but pushing a conspiracy theory over it really does go too far... ie "marching orders". You can't always just take something because it worked in a petri dish, and turn it around into "safe and simple" treatment. And yes, I read the actual research from first page to last page; feel free to do so as well. Here are three papers printed in June.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220325066
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304684
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Moray, I understand the material. I have a Ph.D. from Caltech and have worked in biotech for more than two decades (in companies working in the fields of human diagnostics, viral infectious disease, and molecular biology). I also study techniques of persuasion, including ones from the slimier end of the field (as discussed in material by Cialdini, Bernays, Adams, and Attkisson, among others).
This does not mean I'm always right -- I'm not. But I mention the above in hopes that we can skip where you try to convince me that I'm misunderstanding the material.
Here's what we have:
1. There is substantial, clearly presented evidence that supports the usefulness of Ivermectin.
2. The AP article employs standard smear techniques, obvious and familiar to anyone who knows that stuff.
Do I know that there is an agenda? No. But:
-- The claim that there is no evidence is either an absurd whopper of a lie or a surprising level of idiocy. I don't think that AP writers are likely to be actual idiots. But it is common for media (on all sides) to serve up absurd whoppers.
-- Various standard smear techniques don't write themselves. It takes intentional work.
Regarding your specific technical comments, you jump right to the in vitro study. That shows you have some technical knowledge. Then you presumably know that:
1. In vivo and in vitro are highly different environments.
2. There are cases where something works in vitro but not in vivo.
3. And vice versa.
4. What matters is in vivo. It is what proves or disproves efficacy.
5. In vitro comparatively speaking doesn't matter. It helps as a screen (which is irrelevant once you are at in vivo stage), and it helps find mechanism of action sometimes, but not always.
Yet in making your argument, you focus on the in vitro study, skip what matters most (the in vivo efficacy), and use a fallacious reasoning technique to support a position that is contradicted by data in humans.
The logical fallacy you use is the association fallacy, and you are using it like this: A worked in the lab. B worked in the lab. But B won't work on full humans. Therefore, A won't work in full humans.
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All of this is like the following.
People are starving to death.
Researchers find that putting hunks of fish into a petri dish of human cells doesn't avoid starvation of the cells unless only glucose is extracted from the fish first, and that glucose put into the petri dish. They conclude that fish as a food might be impractical, because it might require eating 42 pounds of fish in one sitting to get enough glucose.
Other researchers find that feeding a fish to an actual human does ward off starvation. They do 50 experiments in clinical trials, RCT's, and OCT's, all of which show that eating fish works great. They put together a document that lists the one in vitro experiment and the 50 in vivo studies. One of the researchers testifies to Congress.
As a result, a reporter writes an article stating "there is no evidence that eating fish works as a food source". She goes on to use various standard smear techniques to support her statement.
Maybe coincidentally, it turns out that there is a large industry that is working on an expensive new, proprietary food source as a solution. That industry commonly pays lots of money to the media for advertising (etc.). There are also other large, powerful organizations with vested interest in the proprietary food source working out. And the nation is saturated to the gills with partisanship and intense battles (both overt and covert) over agendas on all sides.
I say that I think the author is a shill (as I don't think that she's like to be a moron or that smear techniques appear write themselves into articles).
Moray points out the one in vitro study, and dismisses the 50 in vivo studies, adding "You know what else had promising lab experiments? Bathing human cells in glycol and freezing them at -80C. You think we can pump a human full of glycol and freeze him to -80? See? Eating fish probably doesn't work because freezing a human to -80 wouldn't work."
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Moray, can you tell me, do you think the following is true or false?
If Ivermectin works well and the public widely knows that, many people might forgo getting the vaccine, thinking that they'll just use Ivermectin if they get Covid. In that case, the world would be better off if Ivermectin didn't work well, or (even if Ivermectin did work) the world would be better off if people didn't know that or didn't believe that.
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Sounds like they had to have the hospitalization number as high as possible...you know just like now!
Nothing scares the pants off many ppl more than having the same blurry grainy picture of some seriously ill old person struggling to breathe on a ventilator as the 250lb nurses look on ... pop up on the tv cable news every hour of everyday...
It would have been much better IMO if the media was somewhat believeable before it started and it was not timed for an election year...
Eagler
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(SNIP)
This does not mean I'm always right -- I'm not.
(/SNIP)
Sorry to cut so much but this is probably the most important piece you posted. No one is "ALWAYS" right. In the case of covid, it is obvious that many are still grabbing at straws. Even the most learned of our medical individuals are trying to determine exactly what is going on and how to combat it. Eventually we will get there.
The problem is all the info/warnings we get that really turns out to be missteps. Later to be changed, dropped, re-instated, dropped again completely. Liken it to weather warnings over and over when there turns out to be no storm. Folks get tired of it and begin to ignore the warnings as more half cocked suggestions.
Add to that CDC numbers that show covid is being blamed for more victims, with equal numbers of from other causes dropping. People just end up shaking their head and watching the circus.
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Its all about "sensationalizing the news" (and weather) except they are very bias in their attempts and this has become very obvious to record numbers of ppl in record time due to current events
Eagler
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Moray, I understand the material. I have a Ph.D. from Caltech and have worked in biotech for more than two decades (in companies working in the fields of human diagnostics, viral infectious disease, and molecular biology). I also study techniques of persuasion, including ones from the slimier end of the field (as discussed in material by Cialdini, Bernays, Adams, and Attkisson, among others).
This does not mean I'm always right -- I'm not. But I mention the above in hopes that we can skip where you try to convince me that I'm misunderstanding the material.
Here's what we have:
1. There is substantial, clearly presented evidence that supports the usefulness of Ivermectin.
2. The AP article employs standard smear techniques, obvious and familiar to anyone who knows that stuff.
Do I know that there is an agenda? No. But:
-- The claim that there is no evidence is either an absurd whopper of a lie or a surprising level of idiocy. I don't think that AP writers are likely to be actual idiots. But it is common for media (on all sides) to serve up absurd whoppers.
-- Various standard smear techniques don't write themselves. It takes intentional work.
Regarding your specific technical comments, you jump right to the in vitro study. That shows you have some technical knowledge. Then you presumably know that:
1. In vivo and in vitro are highly different environments.
2. There are cases where something works in vitro but not in vivo.
3. And vice versa.
4. What matters is in vivo. It is what proves or disproves efficacy.
5. In vitro comparatively speaking doesn't matter. It helps as a screen (which is irrelevant once you are at in vivo stage), and it helps find mechanism of action sometimes, but not always.
Yet in making your argument, you focus on the in vitro study, skip what matters most (the in vivo efficacy), and use a fallacious reasoning technique to support a position that is contradicted by data in humans.
The logical fallacy you use is the association fallacy, and you are using it like this: A worked in the lab. B worked in the lab. But B won't work on full humans. Therefore, A won't work in full humans.
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All of this is like the following.
People are starving to death.
Researchers find that putting hunks of fish into a petri dish of human cells doesn't avoid starvation of the cells unless only glucose is extracted from the fish first, and that glucose put into the petri dish. They conclude that fish as a food might be impractical, because it might require eating 42 pounds of fish in one sitting to get enough glucose.
Other researchers find that feeding a fish to an actual human does ward off starvation. They do 50 experiments in clinical trials, RCT's, and OCT's, all of which show that eating fish works great. They put together a document that lists the one in vitro experiment and the 50 in vivo studies. One of the researchers testifies to Congress.
As a result, a reporter writes an article stating "there is no evidence that eating fish works as a food source". She goes on to use various standard smear techniques to support her statement.
Maybe coincidentally, it turns out that there is a large industry that is working on an expensive new, proprietary food source as a solution. That industry commonly pays lots of money to the media for advertising (etc.). There are also other large, powerful organizations with vested interest in the proprietary food source working out. And the nation is saturated to the gills with partisanship and intense battles (both overt and covert) over agendas on all sides.
I say that I think the author is a shill (as I don't think that she's like to be a moron or that smear techniques appear write themselves into articles).
Moray points out the one in vitro study, and dismisses the 50 in vivo studies, adding "You know what else had promising lab experiments? Bathing human cells in glycol and freezing them at -80C. You think we can pump a human full of glycol and freeze him to -80? See? Eating fish probably doesn't work because freezing a human to -80 wouldn't work."
Well, it's unusual to see my fellow PhD's associating with and brandishing conspiracy theories about. What a reporter writes within any science field is most often not fully indicative of what the actual study pertains to. If you've worked in the field for that long this is something you know. I've had work of mine used to show the exact opposite of what the published paper concluded, by journalists who lacked the training to completely decipher the material...Which is why most PI's now require sign off on any story that is disseminated publicly.... but I digress..
As I've stated before, the only way out of where we are is the employment of an effective vaccine. Therapeutics, like this, are not going to end the pandemic. Also, if you have training in immunology, you know that the longer you expose this virus to the petri dish that are 7.6 billion human bodies, you allow for the emergence of point mutations through natural selection. Thankfully, this isn't an influenza virus that shoots out mutations every couple weeks... there's only a third major mutation emerging now, in the U.K.
Ivermectin is not an antiviral; it is an antibiotic used for treatment of parasites, antihelmintics. Ivermectin doesn't do anything to the SARS-CoV-2 virus; it gums up the replication process in our own ribosomal subunit. It also need a very high dose to do so, possibly 100x higher than what has been shown safe in our species.
There haven't been any double blind efforts for this drug. All the anecdotal statements aside, doctors in those were throwing everything against the wall at the same time. There were remdisivir regimens run at the same time as Ivermectin AND Hydroxychloroquine. And still, there was no decrease in hospital stay to the mean, and only a slight decrease in mortality of the most serious cases. (p=.03) There was not a faster resolution of the infection, nor a discernible change in the disease course. Since you have that much training in science, then you most certainly know that you need more work to show anything worthwhile here.
Like I said, I agree it should be looked at. But, if all you're doing is forcing a selection event, you really aren't doing anything at all.
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Moray, can you tell me, do you think the following is true or false?
If Ivermectin works well and the public widely knows that, many people might forgo getting the vaccine, thinking that they'll just use Ivermectin if they get Covid. In that case, the world would be better off if Ivermectin didn't work well, or (even if Ivermectin did work) the world would be better off if people didn't know that or didn't believe that.
That's a stretch. In a perfect world we would have both. I really doubt the wonder drug ivermectin will stop people from getting the vaccine. Also, if ivermectin works that good, we will know. Sadly, I doubt it does work that good. Why? Because it has been used for the past 9 months. The silver bullet has yet to be proven.
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This may have been posted already but I think it's worth 10 minutes.
It won't change any opinions of the non-believers but it's from a highly qualified Doctor. The faux <cough> factcheckers </cough> are racing to discredit this information. Probably Big Pharma money involved there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w
Here is the I-MASK+ Prophylaxis & Early Outpatient Treatment Protocol for Covid-19:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-I-MASK-Protocol-v6-2020-12-09-ENGLISH.pdf
Ignore it if you like. I've already got PLENTY of Ivermectin and the vitamins. :)
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Unfortunately, if you used an actual silver bullet and you tested positive, they would most likely list you as a covid death.
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by journalists who lacked the training to completely decipher the material
That is (to two significant digits) always the case. In the AP case, it wasn't lack of training, as I explained.
Ivermectin is not an antiviral;
It is an antiviral -- if the data is correct. (Although what we call it matters not at all to whether it works.) The term "antiviral" isn't reserved only for compounds that attach to the viral particle itself. There are lots of mechanisms of action for antivirals: Enfuvirtide binds to gp41 on cell membrane (i.e., "gums up" the pore), aciclovir is processed into a compound that inhibits DNA polymerases in the cell (i.e., "gums up" the polymerase enzymes), etc.
It also need a very high dose
False according to the in vivo studies, as we discussed already.
There haven't been any double blind efforts for this drug.
Here are your techniques:
-- First, try to focus only on in vitro to exclusion of more-meaningful in vivo.
-- When that doesn't work, try to focus on the one no-effect study to exclusion of stronger in vivo studies.
-- When that doesn't work, focus on double blind (because you can't pick on randomized or controlled).
You are like the book If You Give a Cat a Cupcake.
If there's a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind study, I expect next will be "it's not big enough". Then, if there is a large one, I expect next will be "but there aren't 10 of them". And so on.
Since you have that much training in science, then you most certainly know that you need more work to show anything worthwhile here.
There is plenty worthwhile here. I completely disagree with you.
You go by the data you have, and then see -- compared to alternatives -- if that data is strong enough for you to use a thing.
In this case, Ivermectin has very low risk. The alternative currently is no treatment. There is some data indicating efficacy.
For me, that would be good enough to use it instead of no treatment. For you, you might use no treatment until the body of data is stronger. Up to you.
if all you're doing is forcing a selection event, you really aren't doing anything at all.
You seem to think "use Ivermectin" = "do not get vaccinated" (hence my earlier question to you). Those are not linked. You can use Ivermectin and do vaccinations.
The choice is give Ivermectin, or give nothing, which has about zero impact on selection dynamics.
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Here are the dems making it political again
https://youtu.be/nxw1voRlS1g
Eagler
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Here are the dems making it political again
https://youtu.be/nxw1voRlS1g
Eagler
Unfortunate to hear that kind of talk from our elected experts. It is ironic that in our state, the areas that elected Mr Peters have been hit hardest by this disease. Throw we all have suffered from a lack of, zero in fact, early treatment protocols. Absolutely nothing. The people that will suffer from our formal information stream are the poor and uninformed. Again, if this drug works, we should see the results in the past, now, and in the future.
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Again, if this drug works, we should see the results in the past, now, and in the future.
See figures 3 and 5:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Ivermectin-in-the-prophylaxis-and-treatment-of-COVID-19.pdf
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Unfortunately, if you used an actual silver bullet and you tested positive, they would most likely list you as a covid death.
I'll pass that along to my neighbor, his wife just passed away from covid at 25. she's listed as covid death. my best friend's brother who was as fit as you can be at 45. perhaps my wife or me wont joint that list, we both infected. she's in the hospital, I am at home. like I told twitchy earlier who said it wasnt so bad, would you like to change places?
semp
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I'll pass that along to my neighbor, his wife just passed away from covid at 25. she's listed as covid death. my best friend's brother who was as fit as you can be at 45. perhaps my wife or me wont joint that list, we both infected. she's in the hospital, I am at home. like I told twitchy earlier who said it wasnt so bad, would you like to change places?
semp
This thread is to help you all. Get on phone and play doctor!
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The fda has approved monoclonal antibodies, convalescent plasma, remdesimir. Ivermectin is not approved but widely available. These treatments need to be started asap and become less effective every day of infection. From day seven on, dexamethasone and warfarin. Get on it!
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Sorry to hear that semp
Prayers to your wife and you
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Eagler
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Indeed.
Get well soon.
:salute
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And dont let them give u the tube! Even if your oxygen is 70 and you are talking fine. Oxygen non stop with zen like breathing exercises. Dont give up!
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Yikes, semp! Best wishes for you both.
Please ask/urge your doctor if both of you can do this starting today:
Ivermectin .2 mg/kg, then 2 days later, another .2 mg/kg
aspirin 325 mg/day for 7 days
doxycycline 100 mg/day for 7 days
daily zinc supplement for 7 days
daily vitamin d supplement
daily vitamin c supplement
[Edit: Moray seems to think you shouldn't look into any of this. If I got Covid, I would definitely ask my physician about this.]
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Yikes, semp! Best wishes for you both.
Please ask/urge your doctor if both of you can do this starting today:
Ivermectin .2 mg/kg, then 2 days later, another .2 mg/kg
aspirin 325 mg/day for 7 days
doxycycline 100 mg/day for 7 days
daily zinc supplement for 7 days
daily vitamin d supplement
daily vitamin c supplement
You do realize you can (and would) have your doctorate (in Biotechnology, I presume) rescinded by your school for dispensing medical advice in this way, right? I understand trying to help someone, but this is just irresponsible. If his doctor says no to this regimen, and he were to pursue it on your advice alone and something bad happened, you would also be held liable in any court proceedings.
Semp, best wishes to your wife and yourself. Stay strong.
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If his doctor says no to this regimen, and he were to pursue it on your advice alone and something bad happened, you would also be held liable in any court proceedings.
Would be very difficult to convince a jury that Eagler reasonably relied on medical advice posted on a cartoon airplane BBS forum. Easy win for Brooke.
- oldman (Eagler might still be dead, of course, but that's what you get from internet learning...)
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You do realize
You can rest at ease, Moray.
It is still OK in the United States for people to discuss opinions -- even on medicine -- and to recommend that someone consult with his doctor.
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Moray, if you or your family got Covid, would you ask your doctor about Ivermectin?
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You can rest at ease, Moray.
It is still OK in the United States for people to discuss opinions -- even on medicine -- and to recommend that someone consult with his doctor.
It, however, not ambiguous as to whether or not you can give someone advice including medicines and dosages without an M.D. behind your name. I will save you the trouble in looking... you can't. It's malpractice. Even a doctor, when not "on the clock" legally shouldn't, because their malpractice insurance only covers "on the clock" and any advice given absent the professional setting, they would then be personally held responsible for.
Giving an opinion or recommendation is one thing. Dosages and prescription parameters are another. Seriously, I know how you feel about this, but that is patently a liability on yourself. There is plenty of legal advice pursuant to this online. Saying "Hey, ask your doctor what they think about an Ivermectin regime" is advice. Saying "Hey, Ivermectin at .2mg/Kg over xyz days....." is malpractice. It isn't subtle.
Your university review board would not be subtle about their actions, either, were a case brought to them. But, you do you.
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Moray, if you or your family got Covid, would you ask your doctor about Ivermectin?
What I would do, in any given situation, is a hypothetical. It has no bearing upon this conversation.
What I would not do, is tell a complete stranger what medicines and dosages they should be looking at starting, per their diagnosis. Under any circumstance.
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I can't prescribe medications. I can convey whatever information I want, specific or not, and recommend asking a doctor about it.
As a separate discussion, Moray, if you or your family got Covid, would you ask your doctor about Ivermectin?
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Under any circumstance.
Interesting.
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30464-8/fulltext
Significant Difference.
:banana:
:salute
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I have decided to not get the vaccine for a number of reasons:
1) I'm to old for it to make a difference
2) I have been so close to death on a few occasions so I am no longer afraid of dying
3) My sister and her husband (an or nurse and a nurse anesthesiologist won't take it)
4) I do not trust what the Government says about it
5) To paraphrase Rhaum Emmanual (forgive my spelling), politicians should never let a
a so called "crisis" go to waste
:salute
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My brother in law has covid now. Came down with it late last week. He is a police officer. Lost since of smell and is like a cold.
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we are taking it. neither me or my wife want to go thru this crap again.
semp
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https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210111/Over-half-of-COVID-19-cases-are-spread-by-asymptomatic-carriers-CDC-study-finds.aspx
Over half....that is todays story anyway, may change yet again..stay tuned for the latest fear news
Eagler
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what we do know is that it effects different people in different ways.
I have a 29 year old otherwise healthy cousin dead. She happened to be in hospital at the wrong time.
Another cousin 33, who was until now fit and healthy (working out) suffering from long Covid. Breathlessness that comes and goes 6 months later.
A 91 year old uncle in a care home who has mild symptoms roughing it out. 21 out of 25 residents caught it, 6 moved to hospital and counting.
My wife Had the Pfizer jab today I'll let you know if she grows anything where it shouldn't. Our best hope is to start taking this seriously. Rather than passing blame on who or what started it. It doesn't seem real until people you know start getting infected.
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And you can make your own vitamin D just by being out in the sunshine.
nowhere near the amount you require....but fugitive said it, so that must be the way IT IS. Lol
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nowhere near the amount you require....but fugitive said it, so that must be the way IT IS. Lol
I said what?
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https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210111/Over-half-of-COVID-19-cases-are-spread-by-asymptomatic-carriers-CDC-study-finds.aspx
Over half....that is todays story anyway, may change yet again..stay tuned for the latest fear news
Eagler
That's what separates this virus from the mers virus, that is much more deadly. A person is very infectious before symptoms, one to two days. Maybe no noticable symptoms at all after said infectious period. Hopefully the soon to be approved, ivermectin, will help save many lives and livelihoods.
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"Dr Hill said the ivermectin results were encouraging, but further studies were needed to provide global regulators with evidence robust enough to warrant approvals.
“It’s a generic drug used all over the world. It costs 12 cents to make the drug substance. The drug costs $3 in India, $960 in the US,” Dr Hill told the Financial Times.
The drug could make it harder for people to be infected and it could be harder for those with the disease to infect anyone else, the researchers have posited."
:noid
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Makes you wonder why they were against it all along...almost like some wanted it to explode for some reason...and now it will be administered as it should have from the beginning.
Heard many states are now offering "joints for jabs" type programs
They are giving away canabis if you get the vaccine
Crazy freaking world and it gets crazier today...
Stay safe as it seems you still can not believe your own eyes and ears
Eagler
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Makes you wonder why they were against it all along...almost like some wanted it to explode for some reason...and now it will be administered as it should have from the beginning.
Heard many states are now offering "joints for jabs" type programs
They are giving away canabis if you get the vaccine
Crazy freaking world and it gets crazier today...
Stay safe as it seems you still can not believe your own eyes and ears
Eagler
Read where one place was giving shots to smokers before other folks. Makes no sense giving shots to people who do not care about their health first.
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See rule #14
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Read where one place was giving shots to smokers before other folks. Makes no sense giving shots to people who do not care about their health first.
same reason why they give it to 75 and over. they are at a higher risk of dying.
or maybe I like to think we still have a bit of humanity left.
semp
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See rule #14
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Looks like ivermectin has passed the test.
Thanks Brooke!
:salute
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Looks like ivermectin has passed the test.
Thanks Brooke!
:salute
yup, it's great to get rid of worms, but that has been known for years.
semp
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Saving time here...
See rule #14
Eagler
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yup, it's great to get rid of worms, but that has been known for years.
semp
You bet!
Also:
(https://c19ivermectin.com/isummary.png)
https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/
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And then to remove the patents on the vaccines seems criminal to me but that is what socialism is all about
Eagler
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And then to remove the patents on the vaccines seems criminal to me but that is what socialism is all about
Eagler
don't worry they will find a way. remember insulin patent was sold for 1 dollar so anybody that needed it could afford it.
semp
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Makes you wonder why they were against it all along...almost like some wanted it to explode for some reason...and now it will be administered as it should have from the beginning.
Heard many states are now offering "joints for jabs" type programs
They are giving away canabis if you get the vaccine
Crazy freaking world and it gets crazier today...
Stay safe as it seems you still can not believe your own eyes and ears
Eagler
They’ve been doing that here too
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Eagler it's a sales gimmick, capitalism at its finest. they know if you show up they will also buy something else. more people more sales :banana:
semp
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And then to remove the patents on the vaccines seems criminal to me but that is what socialism is all about
Eagler
It seems as if the more unnecessary to survival is the work product (such as that of luminaries in music, acting, sports), the more people are fine with you charging huge amounts and fine with protections on your work product. But the more necessary to survival is the work product (such as some drugs), people demand that it be produced at no profit or that it be taken from you by force.
The world encourages people to devote their energies not on things that are too vital.
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eagler look out your door or window, many forms of socialism.
my wife didnt want to have kids, her choice. but the money paid on her taxes went to fund people who had kids and their school was free. insnt that socialism.
semp
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Funny. Like Robin hood became king. What a tough position for him. Confronted with the reality of revenue and expense, supply and demand, and the pesky image he created. Hopefully the subjects will use elementary deduction to justify his shortcomings.
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Funny. Like Robin hood became king. What a tough position for him. Confronted with the reality of revenue and expense, supply and demand, and the pesky image he created. Hopefully the subjects will use elementary deduction to justify his shortcomings.
Doubt it
My guess is that "an extremely deadly and contagious" variation of the virus - CDC speak - will arrive in about a year ..just in time to "adjust " the election rules for the mid terms....
Eagler
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Eagler it's a sales gimmick, capitalism at its finest. they know if you show up they will also buy something else. more people more sales :banana:
semp
It’s illegal here (and many other states) for a bar to give out free drinks, like say a birthday shot, etc.
So how can you give away a different drug for free...? :headscratch:
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It’s illegal here (and many other states) for a bar to give out free drinks, like say a birthday shot, etc.
So how can you give away a different drug for free...? :headscratch:
does the law only applies to alcohol? if it applies to weed then you are welcome to report it if it doesn't apply them i call it a good marketing gimmick.
semp
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Whats covid?
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I've heard it's a type of yellow mustard.
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does the law only applies to alcohol? if it applies to weed then you are welcome to report it if it doesn't apply them i call it a good marketing gimmick.
semp
Didn’t see your question until today.
In AZ there are no drugs or medications I’m aware of that can be given away free by a business.
All need an Rx or to be of legal age to purchase.
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Notice how the MSM is shrugging off vaccine injury, the highest levels we've seen since any vaccine in decades. But God forbid you take HCQ or Ivermectin. Which it's now coming out that the MSM was wrong again. Ooppsies!
I hope you guys got your $100 gift cards from safeway atleast. Such a scam this all is.
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Didn’t see your question until today.
In AZ there are no drugs or medications I’m aware of that can be given away free by a business.
All need an Rx or to be of legal age to purchase.
lots of stores offer free something to new customers in Arizona.
semp
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Notice how the MSM is shrugging off vaccine injury, the highest levels we've seen since any vaccine in decades. But God forbid you take HCQ or Ivermectin. Which it's now coming out that the MSM was wrong again. Ooppsies!
I hope you guys got your $100 gift cards from safeway atleast. Such a scam this all is.
you mean vaccine side effects. and it's so prevalent that i know between 50 to 100 who took it and only a sore arm on some. don't know or heard of anybody that had other side effects personally.
but of course if I was to look, I would find some wild exaggeration like it makes people magnetic or there's lizard people.
but I guess my dna has changed. my wife says I look taller.
semp
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you mean vaccine side effects. and it's so prevalent that i know between 50 to 100 who took it and only a sore arm on some. don't know or heard of anybody that had other side effects personally.
but of course if I was to look, I would find some wild exaggeration like it makes people magnetic or there's lizard people.
but I guess my dna has changed. my wife says I look taller.
semp
Look no further than the CDC website and injury reporting.
I'm glad yall are okay after taking it. But you see, we lost countless lives not helping people with HCQ or Ivermectin because MUH SIDE EFFECTS MIGHT HAPPEN. Remember that Semp? Don't take these drugs that have been around for 50 years because "muh side effects" may happen. Well it turns out that is just bogus. So thousands died waiting on a vaccine instead, or not getting ivermectin, hcq, because their doctor was scared. (Even though it was saving thousands as well). But yall go ahead and take this MRNA vaccine that's been out for less than a year with absolutely no long term studies and very few short term studies on a small population. Then we can shrug off any injury and rapidly expanding injury and death count from the vaccine itself, and ban anyone who continues to tout ivermectin or say the vaccine can be harmful because of Spike Protein. But don't worry the MSM says that's it's perfectly okay even with rising injury cases. While attacking everyone else for pushing Ivermectin. Don't you see what kind of a sinister money grab plot this is? It's so obvious the media is in with big pharma. Sorry, but I don't trust these people one single bit.
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don't forget that you mentioned tops only 100 people would die. that was last year.
injury is when you fall out of a tree or something. you ever taken hcq? I have, made me sick, along with lots of others.
but sure after calling it an overreaction last year now take the high road and say thousands of people died needlessly.
semp
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1 more thing, it's kind of ironic that you call the vaccine experimental but neither hcq nor invermentin have been approved to treat covid19.
just because a drug has been around for years doesn't mean it's good for other things.
I semp
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I feel unique, as I believe both that Ivermectin looks like an excellent treatment for Covid and that the mRNA vaccines are safe for adults. By "safe" in this context, I mean that the odds of death from the mRNA vaccines isn't zero but is perhaps 1/100,000 or less.
My opinion is based on looking into the underlying data. You cannot trust news headlines or journalists or even what this or that group of experts claim to digest it for you. All of that stuff is partisan agenda-driven propaganda these days, intended to assign you an opinion. Best is to look at original sources, look at the data, and decide for yourself.
Unfortunately, that is impractical for most people. Best fallback is to be highly skeptical of all news and all expert pronouncements. And look at news from both sides of the political spectrum, not just one, so that you can see as much landscape as possible, not just the view this or that side wants you to see.
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1 more thing, it's kind of ironic that you call the vaccine experimental but neither hcq nor invermentin have been approved to treat covid19.
just because a drug has been around for years doesn't mean it's good for other things.
I semp
It's obvious you aren't seeing the hypocrisy I am trying to point out.
Ivermectin and HCQ have been used for decades. The MRNA agent has been used for less than one year. That is what makes it experimental. We have no clue how this will effect people down the line. We have lots of clues how Ivermectin and HCQ will. We had actual doctors saving people's lives with HCQ and IV on the record proof. While the MSM scared people, never reported about it, and blatantly said to not use it while mocking the president. It's Fed up Semp. Stop defending these sick freaking people, for real. You don't even know if your "vaccine" works....
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It's obvious you aren't seeing the hypocrisy I am trying to point out.
Ivermectin and HCQ have been used for decades. The MRNA agent has been used for less than one year. That is what makes it experimental. We have no clue how this will effect people down the line. We have lots of clues how Ivermectin and HCQ will. We had actual doctors saving people's lives with HCQ and IV on the record proof. While the MSM scared people, never reported about it, and blatantly said to not use it while mocking the president. It's Fed up Semp. Stop defending these sick freaking people, for real. You don't even know if your "vaccine" works....
Ivermectin is not a viral medication, covid19 is a virus. different type of disease.
hcq and Ivermectin have never been used to treat covid so they are experimental for covid.
the vaccine was based on prior research of the American flu. that research has been around for 10 years. so no it wasn't created in 1 year.
semp
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It's obvious you aren't seeing the hypocrisy I am trying to point out.
Ivermectin and HCQ have been used for decades. The MRNA agent has been used for less than one year. That is what makes it experimental. We have no clue how this will effect people down the line. We have lots of clues how Ivermectin and HCQ will. We had actual doctors saving people's lives with HCQ and IV on the record proof. While the MSM scared people, never reported about it, and blatantly said to not use it while mocking the president. It's Fed up Semp. Stop defending these sick freaking people, for real. You don't even know if your "vaccine" works....
I respect your skills as a virtual pilot. However, you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. Shutting your mouth would make you seem far more intelligent here. Strenuous research shows the vaccines benefits far outweigh any potential complications down the road. Be remembered as a man who pushed the world forward, not held others back due to your own inability to comprehend the differences between factual evidence and left/right wing horsechit.
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I respect your skills as a virtual pilot. However, you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. Shutting your mouth would make you seem far more intelligent here. Strenuous research shows the vaccines benefits far outweigh any potential complications down the road. Be remembered as a man who pushed the world forward, not held others back due to your own inability to comprehend the differences between factual evidence and left/right wing horsechit.
Says the people who killed thousands by disregarding HCQ and Ivermectin and even remdesivir being used by actual doctors in the present to help thousands in which no one died in any of their instances. Then those doctors were banned on social media. Then the bastages used the deaths and the media to their advantage to blame a president and change voter laws unconstitutionally. Apparently you didn't watch the CNN manager taking about how much they wished they could keep the death #s high on the side of the TV to push their fear agenda. F -ING PATHETIC.
I just find it sad that so many people can't break the psychological conditioning that the media and government have over you. If you have to be psychologically manipulated with lotteries and free vouchers from safeway to take a vaccine. Obviously people aren't. F ing scared of a 99% survival rate virus.
I will not put that garbage in my body. Your choice is your own.
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Says the people who killed thousands by disregarding HCQ and Ivermectin and even remdesivir being used by actual doctors in the present to help thousands in which no one died in any of their instances. Then those doctors were banned on social media. Then the bastages used the deaths and the media to their advantage to blame a president and change voter laws unconstitutionally. Apparently you didn't watch the CNN manager taking about how much they wished they could keep the death #s high on the side of the TV to push their fear agenda. F -ING PATHETIC.
I just find it sad that so many people can't break the psychological conditioning that the media and government have over you. If you have to be psychologically manipulated with lotteries and free vouchers from safeway to take a vaccine. Obviously people aren't. F ing scared of a 99% survival rate virus.
I will not put that garbage in my body. Your choice is your own.
it's very clear here that you are the one most affected by media. :aok
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Ivermectin is not a viral medication, covid19 is a virus. different type of disease.
Most medications affect various things. Just because something was first used for one condition doesn't mean it isn't also great at another condition. There are lots of drugs used in this way. Even aspirin -- pain reliever, anti-inflammatory, fever reducer, and anti clotting are all different things.
the vaccine was based on prior research of the American flu. that research has been around for 10 years.
mRNA vaccines require not just the idea of using mRNA as a vaccine, and not even just getting it into mice in whatever way (from about 1990) -- but getting it into human in vivo cells (a) in 1 or 2 injections, (b) in enough quantity to have therapeutic effect, and (c) without unacceptable immune response.
Parts (a) through (c) are what have taken from 1989 to about now to solve. Many pharma companies gave up on mRNA therapeutics. Moderna was founded in 2010, and it took them until about now to have the first one that can be used in humans. Even then, it was done under emergency use authorization.
mRNA vaccines today are like a supersonic plane in 1947. Yes, powered aircraft had been around for more than 10 years, but not ones that had what was needed to go supersonic, which took a lot of new development and new ideas beyond what was around in 1937.
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hcq and Ivermectin have never been used to treat covid so they are experimental for covid.
They are not recommended by US government agencies or by the WHO, but both have been used to treat Covid, including not just in clinical trials but in large populations of other nations.
I've posted lots of links for Ivermectin in that regard.
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it's very clear here that you are the one most affected by media. :aok
My media is light years ahead of yours pal. They are not beholden to a radical globalist establishment like yours are. Practically everything coming out mainstream about gain of function on this virus I knew about last year, in which yall mocked me. I guess they are gonna have to murder more colonel nurses and doctors at their home so as to make sure no more whistleblowers come out about the real origins of this virus. Isn't that right Peanut? ;)
If you watched the very last season and episode of the X-Files that came out in 2018, you will see that the boss there at the end had a vial of bio weapon he could deploy on the population if they were in threat of going down. Sure is some interesting predictive programing there. I wonder....
I wonder what Fort Belvior has to say about all of this? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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My media is light years ahead of yours pal. They are not beholden to a radical globalist establishment like yours are. Practically everything coming out mainstream about gain of function on this virus I knew about last year, in which yall mocked me. I guess they are gonna have to murder more colonel nurses and doctors at their home so as to make sure no more whistleblowers come out about the real origins of this virus. Isn't that right Peanut? ;)
If you watched the very last season and episode of the X-Files that came out in 2018, you will see that the boss there at the end had a vial of bio weapon he could deploy on the population if they were in threat of going down. Sure is some interesting predictive programing there. I wonder....
I wonder what Fort Belvior has to say about all of this? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
we mocked you about the virus because you kept claiming it was a hoax.
cool quote about the xfiles. but as a jedi master, i see you turning to the dark force.
semp
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My media is light years ahead of yours pal. They are not beholden to a radical globalist establishment like yours are. Practically everything coming out mainstream about gain of function on this virus I knew about last year, in which yall mocked me. I guess they are gonna have to murder more colonel nurses and doctors at their home so as to make sure no more whistleblowers come out about the real origins of this virus. Isn't that right Peanut? ;)
If you watched the very last season and episode of the X-Files that came out in 2018, you will see that the boss there at the end had a vial of bio weapon he could deploy on the population if they were in threat of going down. Sure is some interesting predictive programing there. I wonder....
I wonder what Fort Belvior has to say about all of this? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Interesting that I haven't said anything about what news I watch or where my beliefs settle. You are an ignorant and complete moron. You are completely dangerous to modern society. One of these days by the grace of God your own pity will take you down. I have no problem with those who don't get the vaccine. I didn't get mine until this week when there was real incentive for me to have it. I do have a problem with leeches like you who feel their opinions that are formed by absolute bottom of the barrel scienctists and doctors, have any ability to influence others. My respect for you is gone although I think we more than likely agree on most things. My respect is out the door because you are sub human scum that has no respect for your neighbors. :airplane: :salute
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Interesting that I haven't said anything about what news I watch or where my beliefs settle. You are an ignorant and complete moron. You are completely dangerous to modern society. One of these days by the grace of God your own pity will take you down. I have no problem with those who don't get the vaccine. I didn't get mine until this week when there was real incentive for me to have it. I do have a problem with leeches like you who feel their opinions that are formed by absolute bottom of the barrel scienctists and doctors, have any ability to influence others. My respect for you is gone although I think we more than likely agree on most things. My respect is out the door because you are sub human scum that has no respect for your neighbors. :airplane: :salute
Oh wow
Yes, I'm the danger to society while intelligencia clowns release bioweapons on the population and propagandize the population. Notice how your propaganda has made me the enemy, and not them? Such a shame.
Yet you implied what media I watch first and made irrational assumptions about it and me first.
I'm glad that's the sorta Fed up society you want to live in, but that's not the one I want. I am proud to use my free speech to contradict narratives by a bought and paid for sorry excuse of a mainstream media.
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Oh wow
Yes, I'm the danger to society while intelligencia clowns release bioweapons on the population and propagandize the population. Notice how your propaganda has made me the enemy, and not them? Such a shame.
Yet you implied what media I watch first and made irrational assumptions about it and me first.
I'm glad that's the sorta Fed up society you want to live in, but that's not the one I want. I am proud to use my free speech to contradict narratives by a bought and paid for sorry excuse of a mainstream media.
You are a clown. Settle down on the effort and you'll come off a bit brighter. Have a good afternoon fool.
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Oh wow
Yes, I'm the danger to society while intelligencia clowns release bioweapons on the population and propagandize the population. Notice how your propaganda has made me the enemy, and not them? Such a shame.
Yet you implied what media I watch first and made irrational assumptions about it and me first.
I'm glad that's the sorta Fed up society you want to live in, but that's not the one I want. I am proud to use my free speech to contradict narratives by a bought and paid for sorry excuse of a mainstream media.
you don't even know what free speech is, hint it only applies to the government. outside of that, no such thing outside what others allow.
semp
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You are a clown. Settle down on the effort and you'll come off a bit brighter. Have a good afternoon fool.
I'm the clown for promoting ivermectin and HCQ which saved countless lives in proven studies on patients with decades of years of study to them from all kinds of doctors? And not your media who denied those drugs and scared some doctors and people from getting those treatments that could have made their lives much better? All so they could make a president look bad. (Now it's in the MSN news these last 2 weeks that we were right.) I'm the bad guy for calling out their BS reporting about that? Give me a break. You are being ridiculous right now and all you have done is attack me with absolutely 0 reasoning. :rolleyes:
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I'm the clown for promoting ivermectin and HCQ which saved countless lives in proven studies on patients with decades of years of study to them from all kinds of doctors? And not your media who denied those drugs and scared some doctors and people from getting those treatments that could have made their lives much better? All so they could make a president look bad. (Now it's in the MSN news these last 2 weeks that we were right.) I'm the bad guy for calling out their BS reporting about that? Give me a break. You are being ridiculous right now and all you have done is attack me with absolutely 0 reasoning. :rolleyes:
covid19 has been around for 1 1/2 years, how can they have decades of study on it.
semp
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I'm the clown for promoting ivermectin and HCQ which saved countless lives in proven studies on patients with decades of years of study to them from all kinds of doctors? And not your media who denied those drugs and scared some doctors and people from getting those treatments that could have made their lives much better? All so they could make a president look bad. (Now it's in the MSN news these last 2 weeks that we were right.) I'm the bad guy for calling out their BS reporting about that? Give me a break. You are being ridiculous right now and all you have done is attack me with absolutely 0 reasoning. :rolleyes:
Once again...like talking to a brick wall with the downs. I HAVE NOT ONE TIME said what media I follow. NOR HAVE I made a single comment about these "Miracle Drugs" that you keep blabbering on about. You couldn't guess in 10 trust what media I pay attention too. I will help you get rid of 3 and try making it easier on your small noggin. NOT CNN, not MSN and certainly not Tucker Carlson or any of his affiliate PROGRAMS. You can assume all you want about people that have more brain cells than you. IM 1 dumb mofo but watermelon you make many of us look good. Crawl back into your cave, Neanderthal.
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covid19 has been around for 1 1/2 years, how can they have decades of study on it.
semp
<S> Semp. Let's quit picking on the moron.
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<S> Semp. Let's quit picking on the moron.
he aint a moron, he's a smart guy, but like me 20 years ago doesnt realize that he's been misled by his own side. I was on that side, hope he stops looking for ways to feed his delusion and realize, it's all bs. really believe that reptilians satanic forces are trying to take over the world. I log sometimes into conspiracy theories and just to laugh. really the cicada that landed on biden was a sign from q? I fed on that for years. looking back, I realized I wasted years and energy on my own delusions.
semp
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Once again...like talking to a brick wall with the downs. I HAVE NOT ONE TIME said what media I follow. NOR HAVE I made a single comment about these "Miracle Drugs" that you keep blabbering on about. You couldn't guess in 10 trust what media I pay attention too. I will help you get rid of 3 and try making it easier on your small noggin. NOT CNN, not MSN and certainly not Tucker Carlson or any of his affiliate PROGRAMS. You can assume all you want about people that have more brain cells than you. IM 1 dumb mofo but watermelon you make many of us look good. Crawl back into your cave, Neanderthal.
LOL at this guy. 🤣 get some rest pal. :rofl
he aint a moron, he's a smart guy, but like me 20 years ago doesnt realize that he's been misled by his own side. I was on that side, hope he stops looking for ways to feed his delusion and realize, it's all bs. really believe that reptilians satanic forces are trying to take over the world. I log sometimes into conspiracy theories and just to laugh. really the cicada that landed on biden was a sign from q? I fed on that for years. looking back, I realized I wasted years and energy on my own delusions.
semp
You must have been watching disinfo agents then...there's a lot out there to make it seems crazy. You've gotta find the right sources. Don't just listen to anyone. it's not a delusion to call out media mal practice that has lead to medical malpractice if you ask me. I just call it like it see it and I'm honest about it. I'm always open for debate information competition.
And ohh by the way, Cancer killed way more people than covid ever dreamed of. You dont see a mad rush there. My one day brain and prostate cancer treatment with no recurrent brain tumors and 0 side efects treatment from Isoray and GTmedical is still at .80 cents. It could save thousands of people a day from brain and prostate tumors. Gee golly, if only people actually cared. If has 2 10 year studies and is currently going up against the standard of care, multiple treatments a month therapy. Just imagine if they fast tracked ISORAY cesium 131 seeds with Gammatile to save thousands if lives. Just imagine. However it's taken 3-4 freaking years now.
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covid19 has been around for 1 1/2 years, how can they have decades of study on it.
I think he means that Ivermectin (introduced in 1980's) and HCQ (introduced in 1950's) have been widely used for decades -- like a billion doses worth -- so the safety profile of each is about as well known as aspirin.
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https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/CAHk-=wiB6FJknDC5PMfpkg4gZrbSuC3d391VyReM4Wb0+JYXXA@mail.gmail.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
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By "safe" in this context, I mean that the odds of death from the mRNA vaccines isn't zero but is perhaps 1/100,000 or less.
Hmm. After looking at most-recent stuff (and by this, I mean a 3-hour interview that came out 5 days ago involving Dr. Robert Malone, one of the inventors of RNA vaccines, and a licensed physician -- an interview that I hadn't seen until just now), I might have to revise my opinion to 1/10,000 or higher (without much certainty on that number) instead of 1/100,000 or lower. That is a big change in my opinion.
Link to the full interview for any interested:
https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY
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It was a bioweapon created in a Chinese lab either accidentally or purposely released...
Depending on your world view would change the why but it's obvious it was out by fall of 2019 but China kept it's my shut for some reason until it had spread good and far...
Oh yeah..it ain't over anytime soon as it is a great weapon against the masses
Annual boosters coming soon...
How about the cashier who was shot over mask wearing?
Nutty world for sure
Eagler
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lots of stores offer free something to new customers in Arizona.
semp
Sure many have and do, like a free T-shirt or coffee mug. However they do NOT give away drugs or medications.
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Sure many have and do, like a free T-shirt or coffee mug. However they do NOT give away drugs or medications.
a joint, 1 gram of weed, a pipe and a lighter.
semp
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The push to get everyone vaccinated is interesting indeed.
I know people who have had the a varying range from basically nothing but sore arm to couldn’t sleep for days because they felt like they had the worst flu of their life.
In our hospital/medical setting in the Phoenix area (maybe all of AZ) if you don’t get your annual flu vaccine you have to wear a surgical mask at work. They haven’t forced the flu vaccine on healthcare workers. However with the Covid vaccine it sure looks like they’re going to force all of us to get it to continue to work, that is tyrannical.
I know 3 people with autoimmune disorders that their Drs said not to get the vaccine...so go figure
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rotbaron requiring the covid19 vaccine is not even close to being tyrannical. you have to have all other vaccines to get a job in the medical field. and if you don't take the regular flu shot then you have to wear a mask.
semp
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Find it interesting at my work..large corp..FTE has to register vaccine status with HR and then can go mask less in the office buildings..
Contractors still have to wear masks which are the majority of the employees
Eagler
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rotbaron requiring the covid19 vaccine is not even close to being tyrannical. you have to have all other vaccines to get a job in the medical field. and if you don't take the regular flu shot then you have to wear a mask.
semp
MMR, TDAP and Hep shots for me to work, however those have been around since before I was born.
The Covid vaccines have been around ~less than a year...
Forcing anyone to put something in their body that they don’t want to is tyrannical, regardless of who is doing the forcing and regardless of what the substance is.
We’ve just become complacent to it and don’t ask questions in our society as a whole (because all of these great Drs say we should, even though they can’t do anymore than hypothesize causes of the common headache.)
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definition of tyranny: a nation under cruel and oppressive government.
so I was forced to take a bunch of vaccines that were never disclosed to me, not only that but was also forced to volunteer for a study of childhood deseases. we got so many combined shots and had so much blood drawn that nurses walked up and down advising if we were dizzy to sit on the floor. 2 guys passed out. that was my third day in the marines.
so please excuse me if i laugh when you call a vaccine tyranical. it's neither cruel nor oppressive. you don't want to take it, get another job.
semp
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definition of tyranny: a nation under cruel and oppressive government.
so I was forced to take a bunch of vaccines that were never disclosed to me, not only that but was also forced to volunteer for a study of childhood deseases. we got so many combined shots and had so much blood drawn that nurses walked up and down advising if we were dizzy to sit on the floor. 2 guys passed out. that was my third day in the marines.
so please excuse me if i laugh when you call a vaccine tyranical. it's neither cruel nor oppressive. you don't want to take it, get another job.
semp
Being in the military is one thing. Being a citizen working in the US is another. Requiring a vaccine is anti constitutional and is actual tyranny because you are forcing someone to inject something in their body that they do not feel comfortable with. Especially considering there are very little studies to these vaccines, along with the fact that herd immunity does not require the entire population to be vaccinated.
I'd advise you to watch the video Brooke posted. It is very insightful and these guys are the real deal.
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please show me the part in the constitution that mentions vaccines.
and based on your description, then all jobs are tyrannical. I mean I didn't want to get up at 5 am after playing all night to go to work. I didn't want to wear a heavy uniform in the middle of summer that literally made me dehydrated. I didn't want to wear heavy steel toe boots with metatarsal guards that hurt my feet. even a simple thing like having a checking account was a condition of employment. really not having a checking account would get me fired.
but none of it was tyranny. I could always just get a job somewhere else. same as the vaccine, nobody is forcing you to take it. you can get a job somewhere else.
tyranny would be you gonna accept this job, we gonna tie you up give you the vaccine or you will go to re-education camp or jail somewhere.
you don't want to take it then don't, plenty of jobs that don't require it. so excuse me if I don't cry for you argentina, when you call it tyranny because it's not.
semp
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please show me the part in the constitution that mentions vaccines.
The 14th Amendment...LIBERTY
Also, you keep comparing military service to civilian work. :headscratch:
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The 14th Amendment...LIBERTY
Also, you keep comparing military service to civilian work. :headscratch:
Fourteenth Amendment
Section 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3
No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
who's taking you to jail for not taking the vaccine? and on my last post, I was talking about working at a steel mill. you want to know something else, I could have gotten fired for not tucking in my shirt in my pants or for just rolling up my sleeves.
when a company has their rules and regulations, you must follow them or go find a job somewhere else. it could be something as petty as rolling up your sleeves during a hot day when you are working out in the open.
nobody is being forced to get the vaccine. they can require it but they wont force you to get one. just get a job somewhere else. it's just that simple.
you can call it stupid, or nonsense but nobody is forcing you. heck nobody forced me to wear that stupid heavy uniform, I had a choice and that was to get a job somewhere else.
tiranny would be somebody comes to your house, bends you over and injects you with something you dont want then they force into a vehicle and drags your buttt to work. that isnt happening.
you may not like taking the vaccine and that's cool, I didnt want to wear the uniform, didnt want to wear the boots. so our option is just work somewhere else.
semp
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So now a private citizen is the same as someone who signed on the dotted line and sold their soul to the military?
Lol
This cough has truly changed the world and not for the better
Eagler
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Requiring a vaccine is anti constitutional and is actual tyranny because you are forcing someone to inject something in their body that they do not feel comfortable with.
Vaccines have been required in schools for over 100 years (150 really), but nobody has complained about that until now. What will all you whiners do when the FDA gives these new ones full approval, I wonder.
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Vaccines have been required in schools for over 100 years (150 really), but nobody has complained about that until now. What will all you whiners do when the FDA gives these new ones full approval, I wonder.
For the previous 99 years (149 really), vaccines weren’t pushed by aggressive ad campaigns akin to used car sales commercials, they weren’t a part of an election year, and weren’t “sold” with the same intense fear factor; not to mention the odd timing of an election year. The pysops aspect that has some so terrified that they drive around in their cars, by themselves, with the windows rolled up, with their mask(s) on is concerning.
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My Two cents: I got the vaccine so I could go out and meet people. Mostly to talk to girls though :cool:
Who else Pfizer gang up in here :airplane:
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For the previous 99 years (149 really), vaccines weren’t pushed by aggressive ad campaigns akin to used car sales commercials, they weren’t a part of an election year, and weren’t “sold” with the same intense fear factor; not to mention the odd timing of an election year. The pysops aspect that has some so terrified that they drive around in their cars, by themselves, with the windows rolled up, with their mask(s) on is concerning.
Nice red herring. Try again.
With regard to masks in cars, have you ever stopped and thought about why they're wearing it, rather than simply judging? What if it isn't their car? What if they're a Lyft/Uber driver? Or Uber Eats/Grubhub/Seamless? What if they're heading to/from picking up an elderly family member? Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't for them.
Who else Pfizer gang up in here :airplane:
:cheers:
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I know several people who are not anything but paranoia from over a year as the cnn types have hawked their fear to levels which have scared the common sense right out of them..and that is the only reason they drive alone with masks on
Uber driver..lol..keep making excuses ..some have become experts at that for this thing that can now get you cancelled and worse for speaking your mind about it
Eagler
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Nice red herring. Try again.
With regard to masks in cars, have you ever stopped and thought about why they're wearing it, rather than simply judging? What if it isn't their car? What if they're a Lyft/Uber driver? Or Uber Eats/Grubhub/Seamless? What if they're heading to/from picking up an elderly family member? Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't for them.
:cheers:
What if, what if, what if……….or, have you ever stopped and though that they were simply living in paranoid fear?
:salute
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So now a private citizen is the same as someone who signed on the dotted line and sold their soul to the military?
Lol
This cough has truly changed the world and not for the better
Eagler
Of course he isn't- the private citizen isn't REQUIRED to take the vaccine, nor to work at a given job. They absolutely have the right and ability to refuse to take the vaccine. Conditions of employment do not equal "forced," or "tyranny."
Added - I expect that you aren't going to buy this argument because it requires the ability to use logic and critical thinking. On the other hand, having read the rest of your post, specifically the "sold their soul" part, I find that I don't value your opinion enough to care.
Mike
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For the previous 99 years (149 really), vaccines weren’t pushed by aggressive ad campaigns akin to used car sales commercials, they weren’t a part of an election year, and weren’t “sold” with the same intense fear factor; not to mention the odd timing of an election year. The pysops aspect that has some so terrified that they drive around in their cars, by themselves, with the windows rolled up, with their mask(s) on is concerning.
These current vaccines are not even the same type of vaccine as the ones before. These are literally brand new technologies being implemented on a population who hasn't even done the research.
If seems no one watched the video Brooke posted. Even 2 of those doctors admitted to taking the vaccine before doing any research because they just "trusted" the medcial establishment. They were scared about what they learned and called out that establishment for malpractice. Even the VAERS website from the CDC shows more injury and deaths from this vaccine than ANY vaccine COMBINED in decades. We are at over 6,000 deaths now and that's a Conservative estimate.
I have over 30 studies and journals combined that suggests mask wearing really doesn't do much benefit, if at all. In some of the studies, not wearing a mask made doctors more effective. Amazing how the virus can escape a level 4 bio lab, Infect some of those doctors in full gear, yet a little paper thin mask is going to stop it? The same mask you've been wearing all week and haven't washed? Gross.
I watched a girl yesterday, eating outside by herself, smoke a cigarette after eating. Spitting a few times after puffing (gross). Then got up and put her mask on and walked away.... this is the level of lunacy we are dealing with.
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What if, what if, what if……….or, have you ever stopped and though that they were simply living in paranoid fear?
:salute
Another fallacy, you're good at this.
Perhaps they are paranoid, perhaps they are not. Who are you to judge them? This is America, you are free to wear a mask in your car or not, get the COVID vaccine or not, drink or not, smoke or not.
I think the boomers need to stop worrying about everyone else's business and what people choose to do or not do.
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Even the VAERS website from the CDC shows more injury and deaths from this vaccine than ANY vaccine COMBINED in decades. We are at over 6,000 deaths now and that's a Conservative estimate.
VAERS submissions aren't really monitored and reports can be submitted by anyone. There is no verifiable way to determine the correlation between the vaccine and the COD.
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Boomers are tired of the ignorant/ strange - to say the least youth deciding what is right or wrong
will it become a vax/ no vax world..it's already become that if you want to do anything besides hide in your home
The controllers will tell you what each group can and can't do..they are already doing it
Wait until the economy takes a dump...which was all part of the cough
The best is yet to come!
Eagler
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VAERS submissions aren't really monitored and reports can be submitted by anyone. There is no verifiable way to determine the correlation between the vaccine and the COD.
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Boomers are tired of the ignorant/ strange - to say the least youth deciding what is right or wrong
will it become a vax/ no vax world..it's already become that if you want to do anything besides hide in your home
The controllers will tell you what each group can and can't do..they are already doing it
Wait until the economy takes a dump...which was all part of the cough
The best is yet to come!
Eagler
I lol'd. How is the youth deciding what is right and wrong? The average age of the House is 57y/o, Senate 63y/o. Average age of state governors is 64-65. All the people doing the 'deciding'. Not very youthful.
Dunno what you're talking about regarding hiding in your home. NY, one of the most locked down states, is now wide open and realistically has been for some time.
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Have you something to say? Is some part of my post incorrect?
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Another fallacy, you're good at this.
Perhaps they are paranoid, perhaps they are not. Who are you to judge them? This is America, you are free to wear a mask in your car or not, get the COVID vaccine or not, drink or not, smoke or not.
I think the boomers need to stop worrying about everyone else's business and what people choose to do or not do.
No judgement intended. Just an observation. Yes, we are free to choose.
But, I get it. You’re the guy that’s never wrong and has to dominate the discussion. When you can’t come up with something credible to say, you resort to name calling and telling others what to do.
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I watched a girl yesterday, eating outside by herself, smoke a cigarette after eating. Spitting a few times after puffing (gross). Then got up and put her mask on and walked away.... this is the level of lunacy we are dealing with.
not sure what level of lunacy you are describing. is smoking? eating outside? spitting? oh yes the mask, wearing one is lunacy.
and yet I bet she doesn't believe in q or reptilian canibalistic satanic forces. now this is normal to you.
who's the lunatic.
semp
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not sure what level of lunacy you are describing. is smoking? eating outside? spitting? oh yes the mask, wearing one is lunacy.
and yet I bet she doesn't believe in q or reptilian canibalistic satanic forces. now this is normal to you.
who's the lunatic.
semp
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Lahme et al.,in 2001, wrote that “surgical face masks worn by patients during regional anaesthesia, did not reduce the concentration of airborne bacteria over the operation field in our study. Thus they are dispensable
https://europepmc.org/article/med/11760479
Figueiredo et al. in 2001, reported that in five years of doing peritoneal dialysis without masks, rates of peritonitis in their unit were no different than rates in hospitals where masks were worn
http://www.advancesinpd.com/adv01/21Figueiredo.htm
Bahli did a systematic literature review in 2009 and found that “no significant difference in the incidence ofpostoperative wound infection was observed between masks groups and groups operated with no masks
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/751a/cd427c20c8dc7d1fbc1b45eead104286f481.pdf
Bahli in Sweden, recognizing the lack of evidence supporting the use of masks, ceased requiring them in 2010 for anesthesiologists and other non-scrubbed personnel in the operating room. “Our decision to no longer require routine surgical masks for personnel not scrubbed for surgery is a departure from common practice. But the evidence to support this practice does not exist,” wrote Dr. Eva Sellden.
https://pubs.asahq.org/anesthesiology/article/113/6/1447/9572/Is-Routine-Use-of-a-Face-Mask-Necessary-in-the
Surgeons at the Karolinska Institutein 2010, reported on obstetric, gynecological, general, orthopaedic, breast and urological surgeries performed on 827 patients. All non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries, and none of the non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries. Surgical site infections occurred in 11.5% of the Mask group, and in only 9.0% of the No Mask group.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1445-2197.2009.05200.x
Ritter et al in 1975, found that “the wearing of a surgical face mask had no effect upon the overall operating room environmental contamination.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1157412/
Ha’eri and Wiley in 1980, applied human albumin microspheres to the interior of surgical masks in 20 operations. At the end of each operation, wound washings were examined under microscope. “Particle contamination of the wound was demonstrated in all experiments.”
https://europepmc.org/article/med/7379387
Laslett and Sabin, in 1989, found that caps and masks were not necessary during cardiac catheterization. “No infections were found in any patient, regardless of whether a cap or mask was used
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ccd.1810170306
In Tunevall’s 1991 study,a general surgical team wore no masks in half of their surgeries for two years. After 1,537 operations performed with masks, the wound infection rate was 4.7%, while after 1,551 operations performed without masks, the wound infection rate was only 3.5%
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736
A review by Skinner and Sutton in 2001 concluded that “The evidence for discontinuing the use of surgical face masks would appear to be stronger than the evidence available to support their continued use
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0310057X0102900402
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so wearing a mask is now consider lunacy?
let me ask you a question, do you wear underwear? why? what does it do? assuming you are a clean person, underwear is not really needed. so why wear one?
semp
edit: you posting so many links could be consider lunacy
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:rolleyes:
spam
Why do you care so much about what other people do? Here's a tip: Just worry about yourself, you'll be much happier that way.
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No judgement intended. Just an observation. Yes, we are free to choose.
But, I get it. You’re the guy that’s never wrong and has to dominate the discussion. When you can’t come up with something credible to say, you resort to name calling and telling others what to do.
I'll always admit when I'm wrong. Not sure what name calling I was doing but ok.
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Why do you care so much about what other people do? Here's a tip: Just worry about yourself, you'll be much happier that way.
because he actually believes we are being little by little mind controlled.
what he doesn't know is he already is.
mask don't stop completely whatever but they do reduce it. how much is a matter of debate, but something is better than nothing.
semp
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Why do you care so much about what other people do? Here's a tip: Just worry about yourself, you'll be much happier that way.
I just sent 30 studies on how mask wearing has null effect and you haven't admitted you are wrong. And to write it off as spam is just another example of how you don't actually care about science when it doesn't suit your agenda.
I'll stop caring when the establishment stops manipulating people to be sheep, and/or they go to prison for crimes against humanity. Fair enough?
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I just sent 30 studies on how mask wearing has null effect and you haven't admitted you are wrong. And to write it off as spam is just another example of how you don't actually care about science when it doesn't suit your agenda.
I'll stop caring when the establishment stops manipulating people to be sheep, and/or they go to prison for crimes against humanity. Fair enough?
wow me thinks you don't know what crimes against humanity is. you probably won't even research it either but repeat it from some obscure website.
semp
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You guys who are attacking a fellow human for who they are rather than addressing his arguments and ideas cleanly...you are not thinking for yourselves, you know deep down there is something wrong with the world even though you cannot work out where that truth hides or how to access it.
It is only your fear and inability to confront your undiscovered instincts that forces you to belittle a person rather than disprove his ideas.
The person who does not agree with the way you have allowed yourselves to be manipulated into thinking and behaving and is only trying to widen your perspective.
Less than 2% of global population giving positive test results. Less than 0.1% of global population dying from it.
Having it rammed down our throats every day for over a year while the world is changing quietly behind the smoke screen. Still claiming the freedom of democracy that the sheep love so much. How many times do you need to be lied to before your stop believing what politicians say? Have you learned nothing of humanity and how it works yet?
But no. It's easier to sit here and belittle an intelligent man for presenting a valid argument while you suck on your freedom popsicle feeling smug.
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he's smart, I don't doubt that. but damn, really? we have reptilian satanic forces?
semp
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But no. It's easier to sit here and belittle an intelligent man for presenting a valid argument while you suck on your freedom popsicle feeling smug.
...er...Batfink...is that you...?
Are you feeling OK?
- oldman
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:x
Golden rule applies.
:salute
I'll take my chances with the vaccine. I want to have a leg up on anything that comes from a meat market. I really hope china moves those research facilities away from the market too. Lord knows we cant risk any more scientists getting sick on their lunch break. So glad nobody lied or used this situation for their advantage. I mean really, thanks for being there big brother!
:noid
:furious
:salute
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...er...Batfink...is that you...?
Are you feeling OK?
- oldman
Perhaps my diplomacy was weaker last night Oldman :lol
However, my point stands.
less than 0.1% of global population has died from the new terror weapon and yet nearly 100% of the global population has had it's freedom removed or severely hindered in the short space of a year. Otherwise perfectly healthy people have died from the vaccine. Otherwise successful businesses have collapsed and lives been ruined. Happy people have been thrust down a spiral of depression and in some cases suicide. Fear, isolation and division from our fellow man have become normal.
Just ask yourselves, where are the people collapsing in the street? If it was as serious as we are being forced to fear you would think that in all the last year we would have seen at least one emergency covid situation in the streets with our own eyes. During Spanish flu there were piles of bodies rotting in the streets, where ever you lived you saw people dropping like flies and even then the death toll only reached 50 million. The evidence of the outbreak was plain to see no matter where you lived.
Ask yourselves, if there was no media force feeding us the fear, would we even know there was a pandemic happening?
I'm not into conspiracy theories about reptilians or fake moon landings. But this situation is wrong and so is this so called vaccine. A privately sold chemical which you will need to have every year for the rest of your life now, because just like the flu jab, we cannot eliminate a corona virus. We can only attempt to adapt to it's mutations and try to develop a new jab in time for each new flu season. While also making a tidy profit selling it to the world.
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I just sent 30 studies on how mask wearing has null effect and you haven't admitted you are wrong. And to write it off as spam is just another example of how you don't actually care about science when it doesn't suit your agenda.
I'll stop caring when the establishment stops manipulating people to be sheep, and/or they go to prison for crimes against humanity. Fair enough?
Here's a link to the EPA's results of mask effectiveness:
https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/epa-researchers-test-effectiveness-face-masks-disinfection-methods-against-covid-19
So, now what? Do we disregard my link because you have 29 more? Or perhaps because it's the gubment telling us they're effective?!
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Virus talk is now in the realm of politics or religion
And that is scary in itself
Worse even as you can speak of jihad as that's religious freedom but go against the approved virus agenda and you will be cancelled from social media at best with your life ruined by the ones you disagree with at the extreme which crazily is not considered extreme to many by the ease and frequency at which they do it
Eagler
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:x
Golden rule applies.
:salute
I'll take my chances with the vaccine. I want to have a leg up on anything that comes from a meat market. I really hope china moves those research facilities away from the market too. Lord knows we cant risk any more scientists getting sick on their lunch break. So glad nobody lied or used this situation for their advantage. I mean really, thanks for being there big brother!
:noid
:furious
:salute
+1
Eagler