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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jarbo on July 04, 2008, 01:51:33 AM
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Tonight I watched the country numbers in Blue and noticed something.
There were 27 folks in country and only 15 in flight for an extended period of time.
The negative effect of this is that the ENY was almost 20.
I a supposing that many of them simply stayed logged in to "reap" perk points should a WIN occur.
But it is possible that they were legitimately AFK for a brief period.
PROPOSED SOLUTION: After 1hr of inactivity in an arena (defined as staying in same tower for 1 hr), a player should be auto kicked.
I am curious how other members of the game feel about this suggestion?
Jarbo
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I don't care and don't see why you do.
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I think if they are in the tower that favors eny for that country. I think.
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You're supposing that people stayed logged in indefinitely in the hopes of getting a grand 25 perk points? Is there actually anyone out there who can't find an easier way to get a few perk points????? If anyone out there is truly wasting their time/cpu RAM for that pathetic cause, I may just stop playing.
Nonetheless, I agree that the 1hr rule is a good idea. A lot of people (myself included) go AFK for long periods of time, and in more than an hour, we do deserve to be kicked. Only fair for server performance, and those waiting to get in.
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great point trotter
i didn't think that "in tower" were not included in the ENY calc.....I could be wrong.
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great point trotter
i didn't think that "in tower" were not included in the ENY calc.....I could be wrong.
All players are included in ENY calculations, whether active or AFK.
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I don't care and don't see why you do.
well smart guy...
maybe you should go ahead and print what he posted, and read it again, perhaps while sitting in a nice bubble bath so you can concentrate this time..
the gist is, people are going "AFK" for exorbitant amounts of time.. I.E. minimizing the game and doing... ???... the result being.. in this situation.. almost %50 of the country's population.. sitting in the tower.. causing a high ENY penalty against that country, despite the fact that the number of people ACTUALLY PLAYING.. is the LOWEST in the arena at that time..
ya get it now? or would your prefer a picture? perhaps a nice graph, with neat colors.
anyway, i think its a good idea.. if you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING not even change bases.. for over an hour.. BOOT.
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well smart guy...
maybe you should go ahead and print what he posted, and read it again, perhaps while sitting in a nice bubble bath so you can concentrate this time..
the gist is, people are going "AFK" for exorbitant amounts of time.. I.E. minimizing the game and doing... ???... the result being.. in this situation.. almost %50 of the country's population.. sitting in the tower.. causing a high ENY penalty against that country, despite the fact that the number of people ACTUALLY PLAYING.. is the LOWEST in the arena at that time..
ya get it now? or would your prefer a picture? perhaps a nice graph, with neat colors.
I'm not sure why you chose to be sarcastic and demeaning, other than perhaps this is the only way you are capable of communicating but I fully understood his point. If eny for a particular country gets too high for your tastes, switch sides. Do you know how to do this or should I draw you a nice graph, with neat colors?
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I'm not sure why you chose to be sarcastic and demeaning, other than perhaps this is the only way you are capable of communicating but I fully understood his point. If eny for a particular country gets too high for your tastes, switch sides. Do you know how to do this or should I draw you a nice graph, with neat colors?
why was I sarcastic??
when your reply was "I don't care and don't see why you do." .. pot kettle??
maybe I just wanted you to feel pissed on??? kinda like how you obviousley wanted Jarbo to.
"just switch countries" is a bulltoejam canned answer.. actually its not an answer its an excuse..
Jarbo has a very valid point, and what he proposes really makes sense...
if you really have to urge to REALLY take a dump on someone, there are tons of useless threads in this forum, pick on of those.
this one actually has a point.
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I left when it was ~100 bish and 90 rook vs 50 or 60 of us knits about 4 hours ago... not to mention i was and still am drunk.
:aok
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why was I sarcastic??
when your reply was "I don't care and don't see why you do." .. pot kettle??
maybe I just wanted you to feel pissed on??? kinda like how you obviousley wanted Jarbo to.
"just switch countries" is a bulltoejam canned answer.. actually its not an answer its an excuse..
Jarbo has a very valid point, and what he proposes really makes sense...
if you really have to urge to REALLY take a dump on someone, there are tons of useless threads in this forum, pick on of those.
this one actually has a point.
I didn't feel you pissed on me, I felt a completely useless fool had responded to me, you prove my supposition correct.
Since you didn't comprehend the point of the OP's first post, let me explain: he seems unhappy that people appear to be canting the ENY while not actually flying. I suppose he has issue with this since a higher ENY prohibits him from flying a particular plane, why would he care about ENY otherwise? The obvious(at least to someone brighter than you) and immediate solution would be to switch sides.
I'm not dumping on the OP. He expressed a concern, I offered a solution. I fail to see why ENY is really anything to be given much thought to. I didn't suggest the OP was somehow wrong to care about ENY, just that it's not really something that's worth caring about. Were your comprehension skills higher than that of say, a juvenile of marginal intellect who was looking for an argument, you might have picked up on that.
Feel free to riposte with more drivel, I'll stick to my opinion that worries about ENY are needless.
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why was I sarcastic??
when your reply was "I don't care and don't see why you do." .. pot kettle??
maybe I just wanted you to feel pissed on??? kinda like how you obviousley wanted Jarbo to.
"just switch countries" is a bulltoejam canned answer.. actually its not an answer its an excuse..
Jarbo has a very valid point, and what he proposes really makes sense...
if you really have to urge to REALLY take a dump on someone, there are tons of useless threads in this forum, pick on of those.
this one actually has a point.
Well said!
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the gist is, people are going "AFK" for exorbitant amounts of time.. I.E. minimizing the game and doing... ???... the result being.. in this situation.. almost %50 of the country's population.. sitting in the tower.. causing a high ENY penalty against that country, despite the fact that the number of people ACTUALLY PLAYING.. is the LOWEST in the arena at that time..
Do you know exact numbers who sit in twr for long time afk?
There are always some percent of ppl in twr, but it doesnt mean there are same ppl in twr every time. Ppl fly, crash, sit in tower talking BS, going peepee, looking for better place to fly, fly again etc. You want kick ppl off as soon as they apears in tower, just because you want your fricking low-eny uberplane, right?
btw, if HTC will kick AFK ppl, they will just sit in rear field in tank, will you feel youself better in this case?
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Usually the percentage of people in tower seems to be pretty much the same for all countries, regardless of having ENY restrictions. These are some random ENY numbers I noticed last week:
(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2694/enylowcr8.jpg)
About 21% Bish in tower, 26% Knights, 28% rooks
(http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2447/enylow2du9.jpg)
About 29% Bish in tower, 27% Knights, 25% Rooks
So if you now would kick a certain part of the AFK pilots, it would affect all countries more or less the same. So total population percentages wouldn't change much.
However, when ENY really goes through the roof (>25) that seems to change somewhat:
(http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5495/enyhighyw7.jpg)
47% Bish in tower, 20% Knights, 16% Rooks.
But the massive number of Bish in tower is not the reason for ENY - it's the result. That's no 1h afk (dinner, work, gone fishing) people, but players that were just stopped by ENY, hoping it will drop soon (but doing nothing to help that).
Remember, it's not necessary to stay in arena to collect your 3x25 war-win perk points.
In my opinion, the long time afk pilots are sitting there for reasons different from ENY. Most of the time it will just be for reasons like securing a spot in the favourite arena (thanks arena caps! ;)). If you kick players after 1h, it's very unlikely to affect ENY at all.
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Usually the percentage of people in tower seems to be pretty much the same for all countries, regardless of having ENY restrictions. These are some random ENY numbers I noticed last week:
(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2694/enylowcr8.jpg)
About 21% Bish in tower, 26% Knights, 28% rooks
(http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2447/enylow2du9.jpg)
About 29% Bish in tower, 27% Knights, 25% Rooks
So if you now would kick a certain part of the AFK pilots, it would affect all countries more or less the same. So total population percentages wouldn't change much.
However, when ENY really goes through the roof (>25) that seems to change somewhat:
(http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5495/enyhighyw7.jpg)
47% Bish in tower, 20% Knights, 16% Rooks.
But the massive number of Bish in tower is not the reason for ENY - it's the result. That's no 1h afk (dinner, work, gone fishing) people, but players that were just stopped by ENY, hoping it will drop soon (but doing nothing to help that).
Remember, it's not necessary to stay in arena to collect your 3x25 war-win perk points.
In my opinion, the long time afk pilots are sitting there for reasons different from ENY. Most of the time it will just be for reasons like securing a spot in the favourite arena (thanks arena caps! ;)). If you kick players after 1h, it's very unlikely to affect ENY at all.
Excellent info Lusche!
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Excellent info Lusche!
Thank you, but take note it's just an opinion based on a few random shots and some quite subjective experience. ;)
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I would support an auto-kick after 1 hour of AFK in tower. Not that hard to re-enter an arena.
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Tonight I watched the country numbers in Blue and noticed something.
There were 27 folks in country and only 15 in flight for an extended period of time.
The negative effect of this is that the ENY was almost 20.
I a supposing that many of them simply stayed logged in to "reap" perk points should a WIN occur.
But it is possible that they were legitimately AFK for a brief period.
PROPOSED SOLUTION: After 1hr of inactivity in an arena (defined as staying in same tower for 1 hr), a player should be auto kicked.
I am curious how other members of the game feel about this suggestion?
Jarbo
I'm with Steve, who cares?
But the foil to your solution is that if said people were gaining something by purposely staying logged on, they would simply switch tactics to launch a plane or a gv on a runway deep in their territory and let it sit there.
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I'm with Steve, who cares?
But the foil to your solution is that if said people were gaining something by purposely staying logged on, they would simply switch tactics to launch a plane or a gv on a runway deep in their territory and let it sit there.
To foil that tactic, someone could shoot them down putting them back in the tower. :aok
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Who cares. If ENY bothers you then it just shows how well it actually works. Forces those who needs their "competitive rides" over on the other rides OR sends them to the country with low eny. So... it works perfectly :)
Thanks HTC for ENY :)
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Perk prowlers / tower queens used to be a real problem about a year ago until it was put out that you get the perkies even when logged off. If you have been logged to a country for more than 12 hours you will get perkies when reset occurs and you don't EVEN have to be on line. Just needed to have been in that country the day before. You wouldn't need to fly 12 hrs just logged to country.
There being a whole bunch of new players now that DON'T know this so it occurs again. Where ENY is concerned it really only effects the ORDS you can carry. Oh boy! TBM's off a Cv FOR RESET against Lgays..... HOW JOYFULL.
No point saying "switch sides" here. That will only be heeded by fighter jocks. Strat players that have been beavering away for hours to WIN will laugh at you for being single minded.
In my oppinion the 1 hour boot should ONLY happen when arena cap is on. Only thing these perk prowlers are doing is jamming out guys that want to play.....usually with squaddies.
1)The outnumbered side can't get new players ...reinforcements. Although their prolly laughing their bollocks off with all the easy kills.
2) Arena can't balance unless folk log out.
3) A reset / new map is foiled by those being inactive and stopping SIDE BALLANCE.
ENY is hardly a factor these days. Can't remember ENY over 18 for some time now and the only time it's really spiked is at times of reset with arena capped.
There ya go folks...go take this apart and tell me where I'm wrong. :D
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Jarbo your asking HTC to tick off its own customers. You REALLY think they are going to want to do that?
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I didn't feel you pissed on me, I felt a completely useless fool had responded to me, you prove my supposition correct.
Since you didn't comprehend the point of the OP's first post, let me explain: he seems unhappy that people appear to be canting the ENY while not actually flying. I suppose he has issue with this since a higher ENY prohibits him from flying a particular plane, why would he care about ENY otherwise? The obvious(at least to someone brighter than you) and immediate solution would be to switch sides.
When the ENY is over 20, you cant do too much. I guess you either dont play the game or never have to deal with ENY of 20+
Kinda funny too, in orange bish are always outnumbered big time, but rooks and knits only have an ENY of 3 or 4. In blue, if we're like that, it's 20+.
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Tonight I watched the country numbers in Blue and noticed something.
There were 27 folks in country and only 15 in flight for an extended period of time.
The negative effect of this is that the ENY was almost 20.
I a supposing that many of them simply stayed logged in to "reap" perk points should a WIN occur.
But it is possible that they were legitimately AFK for a brief period.
PROPOSED SOLUTION: After 1hr of inactivity in an arena (defined as staying in same tower for 1 hr), a player should be auto kicked.
I am curious how other members of the game feel about this suggestion?
Jarbo
LOL can you guys find something more constructive to do with your time rather than whine about afk pilots.
I mean next your going to tell me I have to use food stamps instead of my amex to make a payment.
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Who cares. If ENY bothers you then it just shows how well it actually works. Forces those who needs their "competitive rides" over on the other rides OR sends them to the country with low eny. So... it works perfectly :)
Thanks HTC for ENY :)
Bingo. Kudos as well Steve.
They depend on the La7, Spixteen, Niki, Dora, Pony D for accruing victories. When they cannot get into one, you get what you have in here. More useless threads about useless ideas, when the solution is to either log off or switch countries.
I fly Mid War Rides, I have NEVER been affected by the ENY by the planes I choose to fly.
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When the ENY is over 20, you cant do too much. I guess you either dont play the game or never have to deal with ENY of 20+
Kinda funny too, in orange bish are always outnumbered big time, but rooks and knits only have an ENY of 3 or 4. In blue, if we're like that, it's 20+.
Two things:
First, there are still many potent planes to fly with ENY 20. There are 45 planes & GV's with ENY 25+, including 109G6, A20, Spit V, 190A8. It's absolutely not true that you can't do to much.
Second, that old "they don't have the same ENY limits as we do" is getting old. It's not true, it's same for every country. Look at the realtive player percentages, not absolute numbers.
Most of the time LWO has much more pklayers in total. Having 20 players more on a given country when there are 250 players total isn't the same as when total population is only 80.
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LOL can you guys find something more constructive to do with your time rather than whine about afk pilots.
I mean next your going to tell me I have to use food stamps instead of my amex to make a payment.
You have any left over food stamps? I really want this corn beef hash, but I'm a book short. I have Scotch to trade though! :uhoh
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When the ENY is over 20, you cant do too much. I guess you either dont play the game or never have to deal with ENY of 20+
Kinda funny too, in orange bish are always outnumbered big time, but rooks and knits only have an ENY of 3 or 4. In blue, if we're like that, it's 20+.
Anytime you want to find out how wrong you are, you can join one of my "you can't do too much" cartoon planes. For the last 3 years I've flown "crap planes".
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Two things:
First, there are still many potent planes to fly with ENY 20. There are 45 planes & GV's with ENY 25+, including 109G6, A20, Spit V, 190A8. It's absolutely not true that you can't do to much.
Second, that old "they don't have the same ENY limits as we do" is getting old. It's not true, it's same for every country. Look at the realtive player percentages, not absolute numbers.
Most of the time LWO has much more pklayers in total. Having 20 players more on a given country when there are 250 players total isn't the same as when total population is only 80.
This thread isn't about why Jarbo (or Wingnutt) cant fly their planes, as they are JUG pilots, but the fact that it's harder for them to win the war.
Anytime you want to find out how wrong you are, you can join one of my "you can't do too much" cartoon planes. For the last 3 years I've flown "crap planes".
I fly the P-39D and the 109G6. If those are good enough "crap planes" for you.
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This thread isn't about why Jarbo (or Wingnutt) cant fly their planes, as they are JUG pilots, but the fact that it's harder for them to win the war.
I wasn't referring to them. I was only replying to your own statements, which were both wrong.
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This thread isn't about why Jarbo (or Wingnutt) cant fly their planes, as they are JUG pilots, but the fact that it's harder for them to win the war.
I fly the P-39D and the 109G6. If those are good enough "crap planes" for you.
Also, fly the 109F4, not much performance loss on the G6 in the MA environment. I rarely fly pee-39's, only thing they do good is dive.
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Two things:
First, there are still many potent planes to fly with ENY 20. There are 45 planes & GV's with ENY 25+, including 109G6, A20, Spit V, 190A8. It's absolutely not true that you can't do to much.
Second, that old "they don't have the same ENY limits as we do" is getting old. It's not true, it's same for every country. Look at the realtive player percentages, not absolute numbers.
Most of the time LWO has much more pklayers in total. Having 20 players more on a given country when there are 250 players total isn't the same as when total population is only 80.
Last night in bishland, our perk point bonus was 2.2 at one point and never got below 1.5 and the ENY for rooks and knits was 3 or 4. I'm not accusing HTC of anything though since they both had about the same numbers. I guess since bish out number rooks and knits in blue, they are left with a higher ENY.
I really dont care too much since I dont fly in blue too much any more. And I like killing La-7s for easy fighter perkies.
Also, fly the 109F4, not much performance loss on the G6 in the MA environment. I rarely fly pee-39's, only thing they do good is dive.
P-39D is a great turner with most regular MA turners if you know what you're doing.
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You have any left over food stamps? I really want this corn beef hash, but I'm a book short. I have Scotch to trade though! :uhoh
:lol
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Guys, there is another reason to be in the tower and AFK for an extended period.....
That's so one can download skins (for the slower PC types) as it might take a while to do so.
My $0.02 :)
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Guys, there is another reason to be in the tower and AFK for an extended period.....
That's so one can download skins (for the slower PC types) as it might take a while to do so.
My $0.02 :)
Can you do it in the lobby? :noid :noid :noid
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Can you do it in the lobby? :noid :noid :noid
You have to be in game, However you can sit in the tower of the TA or DA and it works.
Now as far as sitting in the tower....I do it all the time, I dont do it for any reason I just go AFK for long periods of time. Sometimes I am just going AFK to answer the phone and I get caught up doing something. I asure you if you see me in the tower afk It is for no particular reason and I didnt think it was hurting anyone. Now that I know it does have a negative effect, I will still do it. I pay $15 for my account and I will sit in the tower if i want to. :lol
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there are worse things a young man can be up to than sitting in the tower... :noid
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there are worse things a young man can be up to than sitting in the tower... :noid
:noid :noid :noid :noid
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Usually the percentage of people in tower seems to be pretty much the same for all countries, regardless of having ENY restrictions. These are some random ENY numbers I noticed last week:
(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2694/enylowcr8.jpg)
About 21% Bish in tower, 26% Knights, 28% rooks
(http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2447/enylow2du9.jpg)
About 29% Bish in tower, 27% Knights, 25% Rooks
So if you now would kick a certain part of the AFK pilots, it would affect all countries more or less the same. So total population percentages wouldn't change much.
However, when ENY really goes through the roof (>25) that seems to change somewhat:
(http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5495/enyhighyw7.jpg)
47% Bish in tower, 20% Knights, 16% Rooks.
But the massive number of Bish in tower is not the reason for ENY - it's the result. That's no 1h afk (dinner, work, gone fishing) people, but players that were just stopped by ENY, hoping it will drop soon (but doing nothing to help that).
Remember, it's not necessary to stay in arena to collect your 3x25 war-win perk points.
In my opinion, the long time afk pilots are sitting there for reasons different from ENY. Most of the time it will just be for reasons like securing a spot in the favourite arena (thanks arena caps! ;)). If you kick players after 1h, it's very unlikely to affect ENY at all.
:aok
Poor bish hoarde. :lol
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Another reason that I believe that some folks are likely (*warning* supposition here, no proof) to sit in the tower is that it seems reasonable that folks who need to break from playing the game but hope to come back later will stay in the tower, so that they are not locked out of the arena they've been playing in when they return if the Cap's have switched.
<S>
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:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
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Last night in bishland, <SNIP> I guess since bish out number rooks and knits in blue, they are left with a higher ENY.
As a Knight last night they deserved it. :devil
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Yay, you win for the stupidest idea ever!
Has it occured to you what a drag it would be on the server to keep and compare how much time sombody has been in the tower/hanger every cycle? What a waste of power. All so you can up your late war plane?
Put some stones in your sack...park your lameo "late war" ride and up a plane .....gee whiz....go cry me a river ya morron! :cry :cry :cry
Helm ...out
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Usually the percentage of people in tower seems to be pretty much the same for all countries, regardless of having ENY restrictions. These are some random ENY numbers I noticed last week:
(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2694/enylowcr8.jpg)
About 21% Bish in tower, 26% Knights, 28% rooks
(http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2447/enylow2du9.jpg)
About 29% Bish in tower, 27% Knights, 25% Rooks
So if you now would kick a certain part of the AFK pilots, it would affect all countries more or less the same. So total population percentages wouldn't change much.
However, when ENY really goes through the roof (>25) that seems to change somewhat:
(http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5495/enyhighyw7.jpg)
47% Bish in tower, 20% Knights, 16% Rooks.
But the massive number of Bish in tower is not the reason for ENY - it's the result. That's no 1h afk (dinner, work, gone fishing) people, but players that were just stopped by ENY, hoping it will drop soon (but doing nothing to help that).
Remember, it's not necessary to stay in arena to collect your 3x25 war-win perk points.
In my opinion, the long time afk pilots are sitting there for reasons different from ENY. Most of the time it will just be for reasons like securing a spot in the favourite arena (thanks arena caps! ;)). If you kick players after 1h, it's very unlikely to affect ENY at all.
Best post, with most important point (IMO) bolded! :aok
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Bingo. Kudos as well Steve.
They depend on the La7, Spixteen, Niki, Dora, Pony D for accruing victories. When they cannot get into one, you get what you have in here. More useless threads about useless ideas, when the solution is to either log off or switch countries.
I fly Mid War Rides, I have NEVER been affected by the ENY by the planes I choose to fly.
I believe this should say "ALL COUNTRYS" depend on the above stated planes..
Missions run by bishops do not always entail low eny planes.I have been running 190a8 missions for example,which take bases,dont care if anyone is home at that base or not,pay attention and you may be able to stop it..But I have been trying to run missions with higher ENY planes to just do something different.
I think another draw-back to ENY is the perk bonus and this is another reason the kick should possibly work..SO...correct me if I am wrong ,but if I am flying a 190a8 and eny is 0, I shoot down an LA7,which is a mighty fine perk :D,will it be EXACTLY the same perk bonus if my side has an ENY of 18?? I dont believe it will,I think,it will be much less..This would be another reason I agree with jarbo,or else fix the perk multiplier,if in fact it is the above stated case...I mean if this is true,and I am fighting you in an la7 with a 190A8 because I am forced too"dont give me any crud about swtiching sides,as I have switched sides before,and well,the greeting was less than friendly",then I should get an even better PERK MULTIPLIER,because that is about all I am going to run into,which is LOW ENY planes from the other countrys.
I disagree lusche,you posted good info,but you are wrong to "ASSUME" that when eny is high bish stop flying and wait for it to go down,or that somehow bish stop flying as eny creeps up..Come fly bish,and you will see,but I doubt if you will.. :lol
Falcon23 :salute
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I guess you either dont play the game or never have to deal with ENY of 20+
I play the game but you are right that I don't have to deal with ENY.. ever. When I log on, I switch to the team with the lowest numbers, then attack the team with the highest numbers. Try leaving the horde now and then, you might have some fun, might learn something.
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why was I sarcastic??
when your reply was "I don't care and don't see why you do." .. pot kettle??
maybe I just wanted you to feel pissed on??? kinda like how you obviousley wanted Jarbo to.
"just switch countries" is a bulltoejam canned answer.. actually its not an answer its an excuse..
Jarbo has a very valid point, and what he proposes really makes sense...
if you really have to urge to REALLY take a dump on someone, there are tons of useless threads in this forum, pick on of those.
this one actually has a point.
CAT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!
I GOT PIZZA AND BEER!!
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I believe this should say "ALL COUNTRYS" depend on the above stated planes..
Come fly bish,and you will see,but I doubt if you will.. :lol
Falcon23 :salute
I disagree. If I were to have put that in the post you quoted, one would surmise that I "Depend on those rides". I don't and neither does my Squad, or a lot of my friends who fly 38's.
I've been to Bish many times and will continue to switch at odd times to wing with friends. The Flying Circus doesn't grumble about this because they, like "my squad" fly very few Late War rides.
The bottom line here is this. If flying the perk planes "makes you or breaks you" in here, it's time you found another game. Because you obviously are not applying yourself. The "aforementioned" perk rides are a BREEZE for a lot of us to use. We rarely use them as we now enjoy the challenge of shooting them down.
I AM NOT stating this to "sound better", but merely to say "quit whining with these threads and find another plane that eliminates the purpose of this thread."
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To foil that tactic, someone could shoot them down putting them back in the tower. :aok
I guess you didn't really read it, I'm saying far away from the front lines, how you gonna find them to shoot them down or even know who they are? :rolleyes:
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I think what needs to be corrected the most is that we don't have a "squeeker" smiley. It's a great big gap in the BBS ack. :salute
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Tower sitting is a prob and as old as ENY itself.
Don't let some of these jokers try to say otherwise.
Some of them just don't care, are looking for someone to flame for making a valid point on a subject that's been up for discussion before and failed or could just be generally a pain in the ack by nature (:furious) and love trolling around on these boards.
The truth is it does make a difference and tower sitters should have a set time limit placed on them before being booted. The technology is there, probably cheap but just has not been implemented into the game for what reason I don't know.
All in all, this is a very old and common complaint and it's your right to post it. :aok
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I play the game but you are right that I don't have to deal with ENY.. ever. When I log on, I switch to the team with the lowest numbers, then attack the team with the highest numbers. Try leaving the horde now and then, you might have some fun, might learn something.
I'm bishop in LWOrange. We usually have a perkie bonus of 1.5+
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I should have mentioned that I do understand how some of the guys feel toward the lower ENY planes and the complainers who always fly them but there are many others out there that I am standing up for that are hit by an Eny of over 20 way to often.
Eny restrictions should not go higher than 16 if tower sitters are aloud to stay IMO :eek:
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I'm bishop in LWOrange. We usually have a perkie bonus of 1.5+
So you are whining about ENY because?
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I disagree. If I were to have put that in the post you quoted, one would surmise that I "Depend on those rides". I don't and neither does my Squad, or a lot of my friends who fly 38's.
I've been to Bish many times and will continue to switch at odd times to wing with friends. The Flying Circus doesn't grumble about this because they, like "my squad" fly very few Late War rides.
The bottom line here is this. If flying the perk planes "makes you or breaks you" in here, it's time you found another game. Because you obviously are not applying yourself. The "aforementioned" perk rides are a BREEZE for a lot of us to use. We rarely use them as we now enjoy the challenge of shooting them down.
I AM NOT stating this to "sound better", but merely to say "quit whining with these threads and find another plane that eliminates the purpose of this thread."
I dont disagree that you and your squad fly higher eny planes..I dont depend on them either,but to make a blanket statement as I see OFTEN on the BB,is that "WE,being bish rook,or nits" DONT DO THIS OR THAT is just plain wrong..too many times I have been shot down by who I thought were the "GREAT ACES" in this game,and they were flying 5 eny planes..so you know,it really does not matter what you fly,,its one persons opinion that they are N00B rides..
The point of this thread is to KICK the ones who are just sitting in the tower,and my second ,I believe "VALID" point,is it also affects the perk multiplier for those with high ENY,which to me,should not be.I am flying a 35 ENY plane against the other teams 5 eny plane,and yet I get less perkies than if my ENY were at zero,.and all this when I DONT want to change countrys"see reason stated above",and have no CHOICE but to fly high eny planes..A good reason to kick others not flying..
Falcon :salute
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I dont disagree that you and your squad fly higher eny planes..I dont depend on them either,but to make a blanket statement as I see OFTEN on the BB,is that "WE,being bish rook,or nits" DONT DO THIS OR THAT is just plain wrong..too many times I have been shot down by who I thought were the "GREAT ACES" in this game,and they were flying 5 eny planes..so you know,it really does not matter what you fly,,its one persons opinion that they are N00B rides..
The point of this thread is to KICK the ones who are just sitting in the tower,and my second ,I believe "VALID" point,is it also affects the perk multiplier for those with high ENY,which to me,should not be.I am flying a 35 ENY plane against the other teams 5 eny plane,and yet I get less perkies than if my ENY were at zero,.and all this when I DONT want to change countrys"see reason stated above",and have no CHOICE but to fly high eny planes..A good reason to kick others not flying..
Falcon :salute
If I have to go afk for 30 minutes to go to the store, it's MY CHOICE. Not yours, or anyone else's. What I am sick to death of, are these plague ridden threads that should not have even been started in the first place.
You have three choices that you failed to mention. 1.) Switch Countries or 2.) Switch arenas with your squad (I am eliminating your use of that excuse on #1) or 3.) Log off.
The Knights and Bishops whined about RJO (one day a week) to get this implemented, now THEY HAVE HISTORICALLY been the most who whine about this "ENY".
I fly the 38's, Tony, F4U-1, 109F4, and an occasional La7 for base defense. There are choices, it's that most people don't wanna hear about it, they'd rather have "yes men" come along.
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So you are whining about ENY because?
To hop on the bandwagon man, it's all about the bandwagon.
:salute
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Well,if it is going to stay in place,then I feel that the PERK MULTIPLIER should be adjusted so that as ENY goes up for one country,that countrys perk multiplier goes UP as well..
Falcon :salute
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Wow, thank you all for the responses (even the sarcastic ones).
I'll try to clarify a bit.
1) WHY I CARE: as i understand it, the intended purpose of ENY is for game balance and it seemed it was not achieving that effect
under the situation at hand last night.
2) i usually fly the jug, so the assumption that I always fly perkies or late war is false.
to be fair, at that time i was considering a late war ride and was disappointed I didn't have the option given the number
of folks participating on my country.
3) switching sides does not allow me to fly with my squadmates
during low numbers conditions (possibly even moderate numbers) if the squad switches, the issue transfers
4) the time could be 2 hours instead of one... i was just supplying a starting point
5) the timer counter for "inactivity" could occur at the PC side, not the server side so it doesn't have to cause a server load
a) in addition, it could reset with any input to the game (move view, open menu, keyboard tap, etc)
b) if someone comes up with an elaborate way to bypass this idea, then it is obviously important to them and more power to em
option: buy a drinking bird to tap the keyboard every so often
(http://scientificsonline.com/images/art/30536-17animated.gif)
6) THANK YOU for the detail on getting perks up to 12 hrs after logged off; I was personally not aware of that, I wonder if some of the
folks extended AFK were also not aware;
7) I understand the frustration on not being able to get back into a particular arena; but (I think) excessive inactivity deserves a "boot"
to allow other players to enter the arena, as a minimum
Jarbo
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The thing that fascinates me is that these whines are about "excessive time" afk. Yet the posters have no names, no evidence, let alone any solid proof, that the people who do not show up "in flight" have been afk for an "excessive" amount of time!
As Lusche pointed out, they could be doing something as simple as looking at their screen hoping against hope that ENY will go down.
If my choice of ride is ENY 15, and it says "planes with ENY value 17 or less are unavailable", the I will either "sit in the tower" clicking to launch, hoping one of these times it will work, or spend more time in the hanger looking for a plane I can tolerate. I may even fly a plane I am not used to, get shot down, decide "I'm not doing that again," and so the longer-than-normal process of selecting an airplane begins again. This will eventually cause a pile-up in the tower of people who are NOT afk for an "excessive" amount of time.
Even if I decide to walk away for a few minutes, and come back to a hopefully lower ENY, I STILL will not have been AFK for an "excessive" amount of time by anyone's definition.
This is a whine without a point. It is as if I were to whine that Alec Baldwin shouldn't be president -- he isn't, so why whine about it?
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So you are whining about ENY because?
In blue, our ENY limit is always 20+ in Orange, Rooks and Knits have less than 5.
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Wow, thank you all for the responses (even the sarcastic ones).
I'll try to clarify a bit.
1) WHY I CARE: as i understand it, the intended purpose of ENY is for game balance and it seemed it was not achieving that effect
under the situation at hand last night.
2) i usually fly the jug, so the assumption that I always fly perkies or late war is false.
to be fair, at that time i was considering a late war ride and was disappointed I didn't have the option given the number
of folks participating on my country.
3) switching sides does not allow me to fly with my squadmates
during low numbers conditions (possibly even moderate numbers) if the squad switches, the issue transfers
4) the time could be 2 hours instead of one... i was just supplying a starting point
5) the timer counter for "inactivity" could occur at the PC side, not the server side so it doesn't have to cause a server load
a) in addition, it could reset with any input to the game (move view, open menu, keyboard tap, etc)
b) if someone comes up with an elaborate way to bypass this idea, then it is obviously important to them and more power to em
option: buy a drinking bird to tap the keyboard every so often
(http://scientificsonline.com/images/art/30536-17animated.gif)
6) THANK YOU for the detail on getting perks up to 12 hrs after logged off; I was personally not aware of that, I wonder if some of the
folks extended AFK were also not aware;
7) I understand the frustration on not being able to get back into a particular arena; but (I think) excessive inactivity deserves a "boot"
to allow other players to enter the arena, as a minimum
Jarbo
You "conveniently" skipped over a solution. 1.) your whole squad can change arenas. But I believe you are one of THREE WINGS of RollingThunder, so it's your own fault, not ours or HTC's.
Your picture must one of yourself, except there should be tears coming out of it. (You were attempting to be sarcastic with it's posting, I'm not being sarcastic). You would have been taken a bit more serius until you posted it. But, you reap what you sew.
You DON'T UNDERSTAND the frustration, you just want AH to be played "your way". I'm sorry but you fail to include "those in the tower" as being shot down at that particular moment.
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In blue, our ENY limit is always 20+ in Orange, Rooks and Knits have less than 5.
Wrong. Show proof. I have been on the Bish side IN BLUE and flying a 38J or L (20 ENY). I have NEVER been affected by the ENY, never. I don't care what side I am on.
We have a TON of accusations between Jarbo and Yourself, but no proof. Take SS's of these "numbers" and continue it only then.
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Wrong. Show proof. I have been on the Bish side IN BLUE and flying a 38J or L (20 ENY). I have NEVER been affected by the ENY, never. I don't care what side I am on.
We have a TON of accusations between Jarbo and Yourself, but no proof. Take SS's of these "numbers" and continue it only then.
Sorry karaya but i think YOU are completely missing the point.
If you are trying to get a big "atta boy" for:
1. flying high eny planes OR
2. jumping countries at will
then ATTA BOY!!!!! YOU ROCK!!!!
but if you are like the majority of people in here who fly with friends and enjoy flying ANY plane at ANY time then you are posting dumb stuff.
Have fun fighting a noe with your p38j bud...last time corkyjr did it we got to see how successful it is. Have fun trying to stay alive to kill m3s when you are outnumbered in your p47.
I mean you and steve are posting like newbs that have no concept of the changing situations and dynamics of the game. You are pretending that even though a country may have a numerical advantage they may have ended up in a a situation where they are flying against similar numbers.
So quit insulting guys who have valid points and actually enjoy a debate that doesn't require insults. :salute
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Sorry karaya but i think YOU are completely missing the point.
If you are trying to get a big "atta boy" for:
1. flying high eny planes OR
2. jumping countries at will
then ATTA BOY!!!!! YOU ROCK!!!!
but if you are like the majority of people in here who fly with friends and enjoy flying ANY plane at ANY time then you are posting dumb stuff.
Have fun fighting a noe with your p38j bud...last time corkyjr did it we got to see how successful it is. Have fun trying to stay alive to kill m3s when you are outnumbered in your p47.
I mean you and steve are posting like newbs that have no concept of the changing situations and dynamics of the game. You are pretending that even though a country may have a numerical advantage they may have ended up in a a situation where they are flying against similar numbers.
So quit insulting guys who have valid points and actually enjoy a debate that doesn't require insults. :salute
Sorry Falcon. I have never cared about "getting atta boy's". Never have, never will, you should know this about me as I have flown with the BoP's on MANY OCCASIONS.
I offered simple solutions to the problem approached in the first post of this thread. It resulted in a "picking and choosing" type of response by Jarbo. I posted no picture, he did. He responded like a kid, I treated him like a kid.
In closing, do you see me EVER and I mean ever post on 200 "The Bish have the most numbers!!!" No, you don't, because it won't change anything, just like the "concept of punting players" won't change anything. It only opens doors you will never get shut.
I'll embrace any and all of the blame, but we all know I won't start a whine thread about a damn thing in here. I will have fun doing what I have been doing for 6+ years, having fun, cracking jokes on 200 and with countrymates (regardless of the chess piece). I'm not missing anything, I see the Bish on Monday's and Tuesdays have over 160 on the roster, while around 100 of each Rooks and Knights are on. But, you don't see me coming in here and making a fuss about it? You don't see me berating anyone on 200 about it?
<<S>> from your dumb "friend".
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Sorry karaya but i think YOU are completely missing the point.
If you are trying to get a big "atta boy" for:
1. flying high eny planes OR
2. jumping countries at will
then ATTA BOY!!!!! YOU ROCK!!!!
but if you are like the majority of people in here who fly with friends and enjoy flying ANY plane at ANY time then you are posting dumb stuff.
Have fun fighting a noe with your p38j bud...last time corkyjr did it we got to see how successful it is. Have fun trying to stay alive to kill m3s when you are outnumbered in your p47.
I mean you and steve are posting like newbs that have no concept of the changing situations and dynamics of the game. You are pretending that even though a country may have a numerical advantage they may have ended up in a a situation where they are flying against similar numbers.
So quit insulting guys who have valid points and actually enjoy a debate that doesn't require insults. :salute
What a wuss.... I hope you truly ARE insulted!
Helm ...out
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You don't see me berating anyone on 200 about it?
But you seem to enjoy doing it to everybody on every thread on the forums.
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P-39D is a great turner with most regular MA turners if you know what you're doing.
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Masher: did you miss this!!! I can't believe you let this slide.....
Do you know what your doing????... :rofl :rofl :rofl :D ;)
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But you seem to enjoy doing it to everybody on every thread on the forums.
I'm not. I offered solutions, as did Steve. Both of which were glossed over in the hopes "they would just agree with us wanting more perks per kill."
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I'm not. I offered solutions, as did Steve. Both of which were glossed over in the hopes "they would just agree with us wanting more perks per kill."
But you made them as rude as you possibility could instead of a slight suggestion.
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But you made them as rude as you possibility could instead of a slight suggestion.
Wrong. Now you are hijacking this thread. Next time, try a little harder.
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If I have to go afk for 30 minutes to go to the store, it's MY CHOICE. Not yours, or anyone else's. What I am sick to death of, are these plague ridden threads that should not have even been started in the first place.
You have three choices that you failed to mention. 1.) Switch Countries or 2.) Switch arenas with your squad (I am eliminating your use of that excuse on #1) or 3.) Log off.
So this is very very polite?
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So this is very very polite?
Yes, so stop hijacking the thread.
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All i see on the boards these days is a lot of :cry over how the game is unfair and unjust and WAAAAAAAH.
But i do agree with Karaya
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Yes, so stop hijacking the thread.
It seems you cant even own up to what you're doing. I'd suggest refering back to your posts.
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It seems you cant even own up to what you're doing. I'd suggest refering back to your posts.
No need, you've lost all ground for your "argument". The next step in the manual would be to "deflect attention from the original purpose of the thread and start personal attacks." This was already done by Jarbo and another poster.
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See Rule #7
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See Rules #4, #5, #6
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its like being a biologist watching aemoeba splitquote
:rofl :salute
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See Rule #5
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but if you are like the majority of people in here who fly with friends and enjoy flying ANY plane at ANY time then .
You can fly any plane, ANY time. Switch sides. You'll make even more friends and always have someone to wing with, on a low ENY country. If you are limiting your flying because certain freinds or squads only fly on one team, ENY isn't the problem, your narrow scope of friends is.
I fly the 51D because(insert your insulting reason here, but I've heard them all) and I NEVER deal with ENY.
I fly for the team with the lowest numbers, whomever they are. I don't do this because I'm some morally superior guy who wants to help the underdog. I do this because if you fly on the team with the lowest numbers, you can always find a fight with plenty of targets and you won't find yourself squabbling with 3 or 4 other guys for one gang kill. Also, I never saw the thrill of orbiting a base with a horde of friends, then diving on some brave upper w/ 8 others to hope for a kill.
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This is "slot camping" and is a direct result
of the arena split and lower arena player limits.
Players are tired of not being able to enter
the arena that their squads and friends operate
in so they camp the slot they have in that arena.
Problem solved.
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I have to agree in some respects to this. I feel bad for the new guy who is just trying to learn in his 5 eny plane of choice, but then i again i have sat in the tower just chatting with squadies havin a good time. I mostly fly 109's anyways so this doesnt really affect me too much anyways unless its over 20 and i cant up B24's to kill with my lazer 50 cals(that is rare tho). Just my opinion tho.
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No need, you've lost all ground for your "argument". The next step in the manual would be to "deflect attention from the original purpose of the thread and start personal attacks." This was already done by Jarbo and another poster.
It seems you are loosing yours. My argument is still the same, keeping people who are just trying to get extra perkies from making the ENY higher.
Maybe if you cussed less and spelled words correctly, you'd be taken a bit more serious. Go play pick-up-stix with your younger brother.
Rude and as immature as his post.
It seems that you are just proving my point every time you speak up. Do everybody a favor and just quit trying to flame on this thread.
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Maybe if you cussed less and spelled words correctly, you'd be taken a bit more serious. Go play pick-up-stix with your younger brother.
Rude and as immature as his post.
That's definitely not rude. It's truthful.
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My argument is still the same, keeping people who are just trying to get extra perkies from making the ENY higher.
If they are sitting in a tower waiting on perkies that would imply they think a reset is imminent. Your country is winning, probably by having higher numbers. And no body is sitting in the towers of the opponent countries.
As there is always a certain percentage of people not "In flight" even in countries getting their butts kicked, and ENY is kicking in for you meaning a your country population is unbalanced in your favor...............Your excuses don't wash. You want the bestest with the mostest. You got your favorite toy taken away and come in here and cry about the unfairness of it all. Take your squad and move to a different country that hardly ever has to deal with ENY. Your ENY problem will be solved.
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Iove watching the forum HTC fanboy hord in action..
always the same ashholes, using the same excuses.. but yet can apply it to any subject at will.. be it a suggestion for adding a plane, or make a change to the game. the same gaggle of nitwits and dickheads crawl out of the woodwork and start the basing...
its like being a biologist watching aemoeba split.
There really should be an award for people like you :lol
Starting one just for you would prolly set the bar too high for anyone else to ever have a shot at it so it would be a one time thing ;)
Take things less serious and you will live longer :)
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I didn't read all the posts so forgive me if someone's alread pointed this out but, lets say the average sortie is 15 minutes. Afterward, the guy who just ended that sortie looks around the map to see what he wants to do next, goes and grabs a beer and makes a stop in the bathroom, then looks around the map again before he goes to the hanger to change planes, check ord, check convergences, etc. and takes back off. It's reasonable to expect he was not "in flight" for 5 minutes. If this were true of everyone, then 25% (5 of 20 minutes) of all players would not be in flight at any given moment.
5 minutes might be stretching it but you get the point.
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And has been pointed out (but has probably been lost in the shuffle of insults volleying back and forth) if HTC were to set up an auto-logout feature, then anyone who is inclined to hang around in the tower for any length of time now will simply launch a vehicle at some VERY out of the way place.
So your "fix" for the problem would just drive it a little further underground, without "fixing" anything.
<S>
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I never noticed the %Waiting on the country status page. It's 0 in all of Lusche's screen shots. What is this "%Waiting"?
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I never noticed the %Waiting on the country status page. It's 0 in all of Lusche's screen shots. What is this "%Waiting"?
There had been some short lived experiments with different forms of ENY limits some time ago. For a short time access to a given arena was limted by ENY. If I recall correctly, you could either wait (or try different arena) or change country to get admission.
EDIT. I think I remember an additional another limiter effect... you had to wait some time before being able to up your plane when ENY kicked in... *scratchscratch* my memory is like cheese these days...
2nd EDIT:
HA! Got it:
Monday we will be implementing a new balancing system. It works with the existing ENY number. It will no longer limit what planes you can fly. But rather when it reaches a preset value, people entering the arena will not be able to fly in that arena for their current country.
You will get a message similar to you are 3rd in a queue of 3 .
Your choices will be
1. go to another arena.
2. change countries.
3. wait until more people come onto the other side, or some one from your country leaves.
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It seems you are loosing yours. My argument is still the same, keeping people who are just trying to get extra perkies from making the ENY higher.
Rude and as immature as his post.
It seems that you are just proving my point every time you speak up. Do everybody a favor and just quit trying to flame on this thread.
Excuse me Francis, you have no point, because you and the thread HAD no point. I'm BLUNT, but far from rude and immature. I also know how to spell "losing" and it's NOT how you spelled it.
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I haven't read through all the posts in the thread, due to a lot of responses, but here is my two cents worth. I had to replace my hard drive, reinstall Windows and all other software, including Aces High. I log in a couple of times a week for squad nights, and after two months, I'm STILL downloading skins during the game. I have thought about just going afk in the tower and leave my computer online for a couple of days just for that. I love the variety and quality of skins available to us, due to the hard work of some of our people, but, apparently we can't just download them all in one big file any more. So, rather than having performance affected by skins downloading while you're in a fight, it seems better to just leave your machine logged in when you go to bed at night. The only reason I haven't done it is because by the time I log off at night, I've forgotten to do it.
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I haven't read through all the posts in the thread, due to a lot of responses, but here is my two cents worth. I had to replace my hard drive, reinstall Windows and all other software, including Aces High. I log in a couple of times a week for squad nights, and after two months, I'm STILL downloading skins during the game. I have thought about just going afk in the tower and leave my computer online for a couple of days just for that. I love the variety and quality of skins available to us, due to the hard work of some of our people, but, apparently we can't just download them all in one big file any more. So, rather than having performance affected by skins downloading while you're in a fight, it seems better to just leave your machine logged in when you go to bed at night. The only reason I haven't done it is because by the time I log off at night, I've forgotten to do it.
You're paying your money, continue to sit in that tower and download your skins.
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LOL at "im downloading skins" as a "reason" for people to sit in the tower AFK for hours and hours. every day.
that happens once per install.. thats it...
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LOL at "im downloading skins" as a "reason" for people to sit in the tower AFK for hours and hours. every day.
that happens once per install.. thats it...
You have any data on how many people sit in tower " AFK for hours and hours. every day." ?
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LOL at "im downloading skins" as a "reason" for people to sit in the tower AFK for hours and hours. every day.
that happens once per install.. thats it...
You aren't too bright are you?
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Baldeagl (sorry if i mispelled) You are correct, I have no way of definitively knowing whether there happened to always been 10 peeps in tower, but the 10 were changing, or the same 10. I don't have hard evidence as i don't have any raw data to base it on. I am just stating my perception.
I apologize if my point by point approach offended some folks; i thought it was a straightforward explanation of my opinions. I don't believe I made any personal attacks in this thread and have tried to keep it professional.
I am not offended by differing opinions; hence my first statement in my 2nd post; its unfortunate some interpreted it as sarcasm.
I would like to hear more points on why what i propose is bad or good from a gameplay sense (unless that is too limiting a scope)
Jarbo
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There had been some short lived experiments with different forms of ENY limits some time ago. For a short time access to a given arena was limted by ENY. If I recall correctly, you could either wait (or try different arena) or change country to get admission.
EDIT. I think I remember an additional another limiter effect... you had to wait some time before being able to up your plane when ENY kicked in... *scratchscratch* my memory is like cheese these days...
2nd EDIT:
HA! Got it:
Quote from: hitech on December 10, 2006, 12:13:40 PM
Monday we will be implementing a new balancing system. It works with the existing ENY number. It will no longer limit what planes you can fly. But rather when it reaches a preset value, people entering the arena will not be able to fly in that arena for their current country.
You will get a message similar to you are 3rd in a queue of 3 .
Your choices will be
1. go to another arena.
2. change countries.
3. wait until more people come onto the other side, or some one from your country leaves.
Thats what prompted me to make this little flash ditty <clicky here> (http://webpages.charter.net/maddogjoe/cartoon_balance.htm) :D
Too many people worry about their score, or the war in this game. Just fly, fight, and have fun.
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Thats what prompted me to make this little flash ditty <clicky here> (http://webpages.charter.net/maddogjoe/cartoon_balance.htm) :D
Too many people worry about their score, or the war in this game. Just fly, fight, and have fun.
:rofl :cry :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
ROTFLMMFAO at that flash ditty. "NEVER!!!!"
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I would like to hear more points on why what i propose is bad or good from a gameplay sense (unless that is too limiting a scope)
Jarbo
It won't have any effect on gameplay at all, which is what several have been trying to get across to you.
What it would do, is open up the floor for more whining and the remote possibility of an unpleasant slippery slope. Still limited by ENY? Still see people "sitting in the tower"? Well, then, a one-hour ban doesn't kick people fast enough! It must be shortened! <insert bazilliion whine-posts here> Half-hour then? Same problem remains, more whining to shorten it to 20 minutes. Then 10. By the time it is over, you can't go to the potty without coming back and finding yourself kicked. This causes a whole new breed of whining. And you know what? Ultimately, ENY will still affect you, the same as it always has.
Many of the longer-tenured folks know that it is better to educate people about the situation rather than let them whine and stamp their feet indefinitely (which simply gets annoying after a while). If there is any harshness in the responses, it is because the same complaints come up time and time again, and after re-hashing the same explanations over and over, one tends to forget the person with the complaint may not be "tenured" enough to have heard the explanations before. Couple that with the fact there is a plethora of posters who would rather argue than learn, and it becomes far to easy to walk in expecting a fight rather than offer the more gentile/polite response the poster probably deserves.
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Fugitive I enjoyed your ditty ;)
E25280 thank you for the polite response.
[added late]
After re-reading it, i disagree with your assertion that it wouldn't effect gameplay. i think it would for those during the late night times as it would better allow the purpose of ENY to take effect (limit plane selection for a side at a numerical advantage). Since the numerical advantage is not representative of arena activity; then the ENY in effect is equivalently not appropriate.
your point
"What it would do, is open up the floor for more whining and the remote possibility of an unpleasant slippery slope. Still limited by ENY? Still see people "sitting in the tower"? Well, then, a one-hour ban doesn't kick people fast enough! It must be shortened! <insert bazilliion whine-posts here> Half-hour then? Same problem remains, more whining to shorten it to 20 minutes. Then 10. By the time it is over, you can't go to the potty without coming back and finding yourself kicked. This causes a whole new breed of whining. And you know what? Ultimately, ENY will still affect you, the same as it always has."
IMHO is not consistent with my original focus (which was attempting to curb excessive AFK). I still think this approach would be, albeit small, a positive change.
Again, thanks for not turning your response into a heated personal attack.
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Excuse me Francis, you have no point, because you and the thread HAD no point.
To you it didn't. I guess I should be modeling after somebody who's been playing for years... :rolleyes:
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Thats what prompted me to make this little flash ditty <clicky here> (http://webpages.charter.net/maddogjoe/cartoon_balance.htm) :D
Too many people worry about their score, or the war in this game. Just fly, fight, and have fun.
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol
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You're paying your money, continue to sit in that tower and download your skins.
It seems that the courteous thing to do would be go into a low traffic arena whilst AFK downloading skins so that others can play in the LW arenas.
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It seems that the courteous thing to do would be go into a low traffic arena whilst AFK downloading skins so that others can play in the LW arenas.
Hmmm on a busy night, this certainly would be the thing to do. Good point.
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Since the numerical advantage is not representative of arena activity; then the ENY in effect is equivalently not appropriate.
Here's where you err, as it has been shown. Generally, the same percentage of people are in the tower for each team so it is indeed pretty muc representative of arena activity. I offered you the eaisiest of solutions(switch sides). What is it you find so abhorrent about this most simple answer to your concern? :)
Finally, I don't recalltoo much personal attacks on you in this thread. Your cohrot wingnutt has been attacked but only because he ahs been nothing but crass and argumentative. He did you no favors, only succeeded in immediately removing civility from the post. My first post was sincere, since I still don't see why people should care about ENY.
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There's a few things people do that impact the ability of others to get into the arena.
Logging into an arena to reserve a place for when they will actually play later.. I know of one guy who logs on the minute he gets home from work. However, he doesn't actually play for an hour or more. He just wants to guarantee a place when the arena fills up. I asked him why he just doesn't fly in the other arena, to which he replied, "I don't like the other arena". I translated this into "I can't horde monkey with impunity in that arena".
Seems like a vicious cycle. Can't get in at prime time, log in early. More guys can't get in, more log in early. An unfortunate side effect of arena caps.
The aforementioned downloading of skins should be rare. (no new skins in a long time).
I have no issue with an inactivity timer that boots you if you don't actually participate for 30 minutes.
Think about it. Would you tolerate waiting at the first tee while the guys ahead of you wait an hour for the last guy of their golf party? Would you tolerate some guy holding up the supermarket check-out line holding a place for his wife, who is still shopping? Of course not.
Same thing here... Not playing within a reasonable time? Cya.
My regards,
Widewing
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Eloquently put by Wingwing to which I concure.
quote from previous post in this thread
In my opinion the 1 hour boot should ONLY happen when arena cap is on. Only thing these perk prowlers are doing is jamming out guys that want to play.....usually with squaddies.
1)The outnumbered side can't get new players ...reinforcements. Although their prolly laughing their bollocks off with all the easy kills.
2) Arena can't balance unless folk log out.
3) A reset / new map is foiled by those being inactive and stopping SIDE BALLANCE.
In all reality I wouldn't expect a boot system to be implemented. Although it can be frustrating at times.
I to am guilty of afk for dinner but only because I know I won't get back in the "fun packed" arena. I dunno why but I see the arenas as "A" team and "B" team.....just feels odd in blue. Off peak blue is a jokers Paradise (no squad reference meant) and I'm pleased HTC upped the cap for orange off peak...thank you.
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I can envision the standard work-around to an inactivity timer.
30 idling Panzers at the lowest number field of each country while dogs get walked, sandwiches are made and kids are put to bed....
It certainly won't eradicate the issue of tower sitters, but it will cut into it some.
My regards,
Widewing
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It seems that the courteous thing to do would be go into a low traffic arena whilst AFK downloading skins so that others can play in the LW arenas.
What about spawn campers that sit idle in the same spot while the VH's are dropped 1 or 2 times? 30 mins should be 30 mins right? What's fair is fair.
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Wow, thank you all for the responses (even the sarcastic ones).
I'll try to clarify a bit.
1) WHY I CARE: as i understand it, the intended purpose of ENY is for game balance and it seemed it was not achieving that effect
under the situation at hand last night.
Jarbo
If it brought you in here to post on it ... then it worked, and it achieved the required effect.
Teams with the larger numbers, that cause ENY to kick in, are just going to have to do it with inferior equipment.
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If it brought you in here to post on it ... then it worked, and it achieved the required effect.
Teams with the larger numbers, that cause ENY to kick in, are just going to have to do it with inferior equipment.
Keep in mind, he's in the RollingThunder, I believe he's Bish.
They've been given three solutions to their "problem", but wish to ignore them. It's their fault and choice.
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I didn't read all the posts so forgive me if someone's alread pointed this out but, lets say the average sortie is 15 minutes. Afterward, the guy who just ended that sortie looks around the map to see what he wants to do next, goes and grabs a beer and makes a stop in the bathroom, then looks around the map again before he goes to the hanger to change planes, check ord, check convergences, etc. and takes back off. It's reasonable to expect he was not "in flight" for 5 minutes. If this were true of everyone, then 25% (5 of 20 minutes) of all players would not be in flight at any given moment.
5 minutes might be stretching it but you get the point.
Agreed, but let's not forget the poor souls who have simply passed out at the keyboard! :salute
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Agreed, but let's not forget the poor souls who have simply passed out at the keyboard! :salute
Like me yesterday.... :rolleyes:
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Masherbaum: "They've been given three solutions to their "problem", but wish to ignore them. It's their fault and choice."
Your solutions work effectively for your gameplay, not for mine (and i believe others). I am trying to propose a small chnage, that I don't see how it would negatively effect your game?
SteveBailey: When i logged last night there was an uneven number of players in "tower status" between the three countries; so
"Generally, the same percentage of people are in the tower for each team" is not always true and this is to rectify that condition.
In addition, your assumption implies the "in tower" are there for extended durations.
I do a timer should be long enough to allow someone to eat dinner, or some other reasonable break; thus I think 1 hr would be the minimum.
Any ingame activity should reset the timer; so someone spawn camping wont get booted.
Jarbo
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SteveBailey: When i logged last night there was an uneven number of players in "tower status" between the three countries; so
"Generally, the same percentage of people are in the tower for each team" is not always true and this is to rectify that condition.
In addition, your assumption implies the "in tower" are there for extended durations.
Well you were given a screenshot showing relatively equal precentages of idle pilots per team. If you found a rare exception, post it. There will always be anomalies. I'm sure others wuold be willing to post plenty that support it. You were given 3 options and you continue to ignore them.
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Masherbaum: "They've been given three solutions to their "problem", but wish to ignore them. It's their fault and choice."
Your solutions work effectively for your gameplay, not for mine (and i believe others). I am trying to propose a small chnage, that I don't see how it would negatively effect your game?
SteveBailey: When i logged last night there was an uneven number of players in "tower status" between the three countries; so
"Generally, the same percentage of people are in the tower for each team" is not always true and this is to rectify that condition.
In addition, your assumption implies the "in tower" are there for extended durations.
I do a timer should be long enough to allow someone to eat dinner, or some other reasonable break; thus I think 1 hr would be the minimum.
Any ingame activity should reset the timer; so someone spawn camping wont get booted.
Jarbo
My game ISN'T affected for the umpteenth time. I fly Mid War rides, and I am not loyal to chess pieces. Only my Squad is mainly Rook and I will switch if the Rooks have inflated numbers.
I am not the problem, don't turn this onto me. You have the problem since you started the thread. You and your squaddies continue to add NO PROOF of your claims.
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You have to be in game, However you can sit in the tower of the TA or DA and it works.
Now as far as sitting in the tower....I do it all the time, I dont do it for any reason I just go AFK for long periods of time. Sometimes I am just going AFK to answer the phone and I get caught up doing something. I asure you if you see me in the tower afk It is for no particular reason and I didnt think it was hurting anyone. Now that I know it does have a negative effect, I will still do it. I pay $15 for my account and I will sit in the tower if i want to. :lol
WELL SAID FISH.
Could not have said it better!!! :aok
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Masherbrum
Get with the picture mate. No one cares if your mid war in a late war arena. No one cares if your not affected by EN-blood-y. No one gives a rats arse about your style...it's about tower queens in a capped arena.
20 or 30 chaps afk in a capped arena hours on end is taking the piss in anybodies language.
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Masherbrum
Get with the picture mate. No one cares if your mid war in a late war arena. No one cares if your not affected by EN-blood-y. No one gives a rats arse about your style...it's about tower queens in a capped arena.
20 or 30 chaps afk in a capped arena hours on end is taking the piss in anybodies language.
LYNX, they've been offered 3 solutions.
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LYNX, they've been offered 3 solutions.
Firstly I don't think HTC would implement a boot system secondly those 3 solutions are infact 3 "choices". One can opt to use those choices or ignore them.
Someone who is country loyal isn't going to swap sides to balance therefore they knowingly accept any ENY consequences. These guys tend to be strat players more so than furballers. Their choice again...right.
As for moving to another arena why would you do that if you've spent 2 hours working captures. You just wouldn't. You'd want to stay and finish the job.
You nor I would knowingly swap sides to reap reset perkies. Nor would we swap arena for reset perkies. Nor would we swap arenas for reset perkies and then go AFK but we've both seen these antics. We've also seen guys log into game to reserve a spot then go do a days work. In some other thread I read about a guy bragging he was in one arena for 3 days before disconnection.
As a strat player and country loyal I knowingly accept ENY but it's a little cheeky of some to sit in tower for either perkies or spot reserving and influencing 3 things for all 3 sides simultaneously:-
1) Arena cap
2) Side balance
3)Inflated ENY.
I have a squadie who 8 times out of 10 can't get in our arena after his shift work. Should the whole squad move arena on mass then ENY could be effected in one or both arenas. Would all the squadies be happy unpitching camp for 1 guy after working 1 arena for a couple of hours....I doubt it.
As for chaps capturing an empty uncapped arena then I think personally they have some cheek to complain. May as well go off line missions or what ever :rolleyes: But are they in there because 20 AFK'ers have capped the other arena?
When it comes to capped arenas I'd rather have an active squadie in, rather than some "spot reserver" in tower.
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Firstly I don't think HTC would implement a boot system secondly those 3 solutions are infact 3 "choices". One can opt to use those choices or ignore them.
Someone who is country loyal isn't going to swap sides to balance therefore they knowingly accept any ENY consequences. These guys tend to be strat players more so than furballers. Their choice again...right.
As for moving to another arena why would you do that if you've spent 2 hours working captures. You just wouldn't. You'd want to stay and finish the job.
You nor I would knowingly swap sides to reap reset perkies. Nor would we swap arena for reset perkies. Nor would we swap arenas for reset perkies and then go AFK but we've both seen these antics. We've also seen guys log into game to reserve a spot then go do a days work. In some other thread I read about a guy bragging he was in one arena for 3 days before disconnection.
As a strat player and country loyal I knowingly accept ENY but it's a little cheeky of some to sit in tower for either perkies or spot reserving and influencing 3 things for all 3 sides simultaneously:-
1) Arena cap
2) Side balance
3)Inflated ENY.
I have a squadie who 8 times out of 10 can't get in our arena after his shift work. Should the whole squad move arena on mass then ENY could be effected in one or both arenas. Would all the squadies be happy unpitching camp for 1 guy after working 1 arena for a couple of hours....I doubt it.
As for chaps capturing an empty uncapped arena then I think personally they have some cheek to complain. May as well go off line missions or what ever :rolleyes: But are they in there because 20 AFK'ers have capped the other arena?
When it comes to capped arenas I'd rather have an active squadie in, rather than some "spot reserver" in tower.
ENY was not meant to "balance", even tho it may entice some to switch sides/arenas ... it was meant to "even the playing field" under certain population imbalance conditions.
You don't want to switch sides/arenas .. thats fine ... you will just have to fight the fight with lesser capable equipment.
It probably would be a good idea to "boot" people after sitting idle for 1 hour, but if it were introduced, I can just imagine the "whine" threads that that would result in. Maybe HT has picked the lesser of 2 evils.
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ENY was not meant to "balance", even tho it may entice some to switch sides/arenas ... it was meant to "even the playing field" under certain population imbalance conditions.
You don't want to switch sides/arenas .. thats fine ... you will just have to fight the fight with lesser capable equipment.
It probably would be a good idea to "boot" people after sitting idle for 1 hour, but if it were introduced, I can just imagine the "whine" threads that that would result in. Maybe HT has picked the lesser of 2 evils.
Which basically is what HTC has said ever since the ENY limiter (Not balancer as some of the posters in this thread have called it. Because it LIMITS the craft and vehicles a country can use.)
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Which basically is what HTC has said ever since the ENY limiter (Not balancer as some of the posters in this thread have called it. Because it LIMITS the craft and vehicles a country can use.)
So people are misspeaking then when they refer to ENY as "side balancing"?
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So people are misspeaking then when they refer to ENY as "side balancing"?
Correct.
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i haven't read the entire thread...but......
i don't caret oo much, as when eny goes too high, i fly buffs....or change sides if i REALLY wanna fly.
but i do see the point. the people sitting in the tower for hours on end, are there only because they want the perks when the map is won. it's stupid, and a waste of bandwidth. it keeps pilots that want to fly out, if the arena is full, and it screws eny for those that do care.
the best thing, i think would be to ""auto boot"". someone goes inactive for an hour, they get booted. it should be easy to set up, and would allow people that want to fly to come in.
just my 2 cents.....
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Hmmm...mebbe THAT'S where the mods hang out :D
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Maybe we should self police this issue.
Just ask those people to log out when not flying. They may not know this is currently a problem.
Although I pay my subscription, I don't want to impede another person's enjoyment of the game by staying logged on without any activity.
I believe it would be considered rude to do otherwise.
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Maybe we should self police this issue.
Just ask those people to log out when not flying. They may not know this is currently a problem.
Although I pay my subscription, I don't want to impede another person's enjoyment of the game by staying logged on without any activity.
I believe it would be considered rude to do otherwise.
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probably a good idea, but how do you ask someone to leave if they've left their computer logged on and ran up to the quickie mart?
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Looks like "side balancing" to me.
(http://tech-rep.org/eny.jpg)
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ENY was not meant to "balance", even tho it may entice some to switch sides/arenas ... it was meant to "even the playing field" under certain population imbalance conditions.
It was meant to encourage people to swap sides, sounds like an enticement to "Side Balance" to me.
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Haven't read every single post, did anyone show any stats on how many people are so called sitting in tower for hours on end. Just because you see 20 guys out of 100 sitting in the tower doesn't mean they are all AFK for hours. Has the original poster of this thread done any research to see if they were all AFK for hours on end? There will always be people in the tower through out the course of your playing time. Just curious if the poster did any homework on the percentage of AFK people that are gone hours on end. I am betting it is a relatively small number % wise.
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I've seen bish have 90 some odd players near a win then and for the next 2 hrs only have 50-60 in flight. I watched just cause i was flying bish. i logged when eny hit 29, don't need the perks so no big deal to me but does suck for those looking to win the map.
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well smart guy...
maybe you should go ahead and print what he posted, and read it again, perhaps while sitting in a nice bubble bath so you can concentrate this time..
the gist is, people are going "AFK" for exorbitant amounts of time.. I.E. minimizing the game and doing... ???... the result being.. in this situation.. almost %50 of the country's population.. sitting in the tower.. causing a high ENY penalty against that country, despite the fact that the number of people ACTUALLY PLAYING.. is the LOWEST in the arena at that time..
ya get it now? or would your prefer a picture? perhaps a nice graph, with neat colors.
anyway, i think its a good idea.. if you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING not even change bases.. for over an hour.. BOOT.
I think he does. Are we assuming that only the people from one country do that? :O
Now if you want to talk about the arena being full and not being able to log in to that arena then maybe there is a point to be made :D
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i logged when eny hit 29, don't need the perks so no big deal
You don't need to be online to get the war win perks.
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A true statement according to HTC
You don't need to be online to get the war win perks.
From the Trainer:
and a perk point bonus is awarded to players that have been in the winning country for a minimum of 12 hours prior to the end of the war.
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learn something new everyday
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I spend half (or maybe more) of my time in the tower (afk). But frankly, I don't care too much whether or not that pleases or displeases anyone. And that won't change. Ever.
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The Mom from Texas brings up another good point..... How many times do we hear somebody say "It's my 15 bucks" I suppose for 15 a month if you want to chill in the tower, so be it.
I spend half (or maybe more) of my time in the tower (afk). But frankly, I don't care too much whether or not that pleases or displeases anyone. And that won't change. Ever.
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Looks like "side balancing" to me.
(http://tech-rep.org/eny.jpg)
They are trying to balance the game play, NOT the population. If your "country" has more players you are handicapped by NOT being able to use the "uber" equipment. Should you have a bad case of the DT's, you are more than welcome to switch sides and use the "uber" equipment and satisfy that "need", but it is NOT a requirement to help balance the game play.