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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SkyRock on September 10, 2008, 10:57:43 PM
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by judge to use better judgement.
"It appears for the world that Ms. McCann and her family have decided to take after the guy's livelihood, that whatever who did what to whom has overridden good judgment," Superior Court Judge John Suddock
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A slippery slope, skyrock. Most here won't see anything wrong with it, they're so blinded by her legs.
Palin is a smokescreen behind which McCain is simply avoiding the issues at hand for the next 52 days. Pretty much everything thats come out of the McCain camp the past 72 hours has been all lies, and easily disproved ones at that. They're not even trying, just doing the Rove plan of "throw it all against the wall and see what sticks".
A sad shame, not one serious discourse into any sort of position by the GOP candidate.
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kinda like when Oboma made fun of McCain over how many houses he owned, what was the count one for every kid he has?
just saying it goes both ways!
Oboma didn't mean to insult Palin with the lipstick comment, but the crowd there thought he was,
and he rolled right on with all that yelling and applause,
so was he tired and not thinking about what he was saying? i think so !
it's a gaff either way.
they will both make them from here on out and they will both make fun of the other for doing it, so what?
neither one is gonna change your mind or mine about who to vote for!
I have said it before, vote for the one you like the most, or trust the most, or the one that hurts the least!
the so called undecided either isn't smart enough to know, or doesn't care about the issue's,
all they want to see is which one can best the other on the late night talk show monologs!
they want to know if Mrs. Palin will cry , or if Oboma will blow a gasket?(I'm betting on the latter! no suprise there)
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Most here won't see anything wrong with it, they're so blinded by her legs.
she is teh devul :O
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A slippery slope, skyrock. Most here won't see anything wrong with it, they're so blinded by her legs.
A sad shame, not one serious discourse into any sort of position by the GOP candidate.
And your serious discussion begins with a observation of a judge's 2005 warning to a family of private citizens.
Glad to see the high level of rhetoric on your side.
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she is teh devul :O
No, she is teh shiny object that distracts you.
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Come on guys read the script! McCains not supposed to win but just make it look like an effort!
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At this point, I'll probably pick on Palin just to see the O'club fallout. :aok
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The frenchmen are with Obama ! happy to hear it ? No I think :D
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At this point, I'll probably pick on Palin just to see the O'club fallout. :aok
actually i thought that was part of the game anyway lol
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So what.
Even if she shot someone (rep VP's sometimes do that :huh) She is still better that any of the Dems. But then again if the Dems get in office with the uber social plans I might be able to stop working and make more money off wellfair.
Yes I saw the bait on the hook, but this time I did bite it.
Will phaser vote for a Dem? Ya, when the Lions win the superbowl.
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bush is not even out of office yet and the bushaters have found a new target.
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yep just check this out!
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/economists_warn_anti_bush
better get him in there for a while longer!
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So what.
Even if she shot someone (rep VP's sometimes do that :huh) She is still better that any of the Dems. But then again if the Dems get in office with the uber social plans I might be able to stop working and make more money off wellfair.
Yes I saw the bait on the hook, but this time I did bite it.
Will phaser vote for a Dem? Ya, when the Lions win the superbowl.
Funny how all the conservatives in here always whine about welfare the most, yet never say anything about how it has helped our country. I can't stand hearing about someone milking the welfare system no more than anyone else who pays taxes and such, but there are worse milkers out there. Defense contractors have stolen more money than welfare milkers could ever steal. Besides, most who oppose welfare also are pro-life, so what is it? You want the children to be born, but you don't want to help take care of them if they are hungry? Blame their parents, tell them to go to work or they get nothing, then if they dont get a job, watch the children starve to death, seems to go against the Pro-life doctrine. :rolleyes:
I'd like to see a vote for or against welfare, no wriggling, either you are for it or against it as it is. It would be funny to see repubs vote yes to save their jobs. :rofl
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Funny how all the conservatives in here always whine about welfare the most, yet never say anything about how it has helped our country. I can't stand hearing about someone milking the welfare system no more than anyone else who pays taxes and such, but there are worse milkers out there. Defense contractors have stolen more money than welfare milkers could ever steal. Besides, most who oppose welfare also are pro-life, so what is it? You want the children to be born, but you don't want to help take care of them if they are hungry? Blame their parents, tell them to go to work or they get nothing, then if they dont get a job, watch the children starve to death, seems to go against the Pro-life doctrine. :rolleyes:
I'd like to see a vote for or against welfare, no wriggling, either you are for it or against it as it is. It would be funny to see repubs vote yes to save their jobs. :rofl
The straws are fewer yet you're still grasping. :rolleyes:
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The straws are fewer yet you're still grasping. :rolleyes:
poll:
Welfare - for /against
abortion - for/against
u scared to represent?
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A slippery slope, skyrock. Most here won't see anything wrong with it, they're so blinded by her legs.
Palin is a smokescreen behind which McCain is simply avoiding the issues at hand for the next 52 days. Pretty much everything thats come out of the McCain camp the past 72 hours has been all lies, and easily disproved ones at that. They're not even trying, just doing the Rove plan of "throw it all against the wall and see what sticks".
A sad shame, not one serious discourse into any sort of position by the GOP candidate.
Please prove what the McCain camp said that was a lie....
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Not at all.
I'm for limited welfare, if you're of able mind and body yet to too lazy to work. I'm against it.
If you're handicaped in any form and unable to work and support yourself or family. I'm for it
Abortion...
I feel a woman must make that choice for herself. I don't like the thought of aborting a fetus, but I believe it's the womans right to choose.
So exactly what does your question have to do with Palin taking a guys livelyhood??
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Who Am I?
I am under 45 years old,
I love the outdoors,
I hunt,
I am a Republican reformer,
I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
I have many children,
I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor's office.
Did you guess?
I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900
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poll:
Welfare - for /against
abortion - for/against
u scared to represent?
HOLY HIJACK MY OWN THREAD BATMAN....
against
against
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HOLY HIJACK MY OWN THREAD BATMAN....
against
against
So, if people who are to socially malfunctioned to be stable enough to feed themselves have children, what do we do with the children they produce?
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Funny how all the conservatives in here always whine about welfare the most, yet never say anything about how it has helped our country. I can't stand hearing about someone milking the welfare system no more than anyone else who pays taxes and such, but there are worse milkers out there. Defense contractors have stolen more money than welfare milkers could ever steal. Besides, most who oppose welfare also are pro-life, so what is it? You want the children to be born, but you don't want to help take care of them if they are hungry? Blame their parents, tell them to go to work or they get nothing, then if they dont get a job, watch the children starve to death, seems to go against the Pro-life doctrine. :rolleyes:
I'd like to see a vote for or against welfare, no wriggling, either you are for it or against it as it is. It would be funny to see repubs vote yes to save their jobs. :rofl
Skyrock with all due respect..this thing about children being born and we should take care of them? :huh what are you thinking...you want the goverment
and tax payers to pay for the irresponsiblity of others?? You must be on the love muffin side of the political world.
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Blame their parents, tell them to go to work or they get nothing, then if they dont get a job, watch the children starve to death, seems to go against the Pro-life doctrine. :rolleyes:
I'd like to see a vote for or against welfare, no wriggling, either you are for it or against it as it is. It would be funny to see repubs vote yes to save their jobs. :rofl
Rock,
YES YES YES. It is the parents, the chrildren are starving NOW even thought the parent (s) are getting welfare checks. Also I am not talking about the parents that have lost ther job or are really looking but cannot find one.
No job is beneath me.
When my children are hungry, I’ll do any job out there as I believe you would also, but there are many and I mean many that would not.
Should the children suffer because there parents are freeloaders? THEY ARE SUFFERING NOW. Would more money help? It never has in the past, you can tell that because now they want more.
Who will stand up and say enough? McCain? Obama? Congress? You? Me?
No one has yet. Oh they all talk about it, but there you have it.
Peace
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We have the fattest poor people in the world. No one in the country dies from hunger.
We have many free stores,churches that feed folks and many people that
donate to feed our people.
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skyrock.. please be a little honest.. you are in a panic just like every other liberal over Palin out rock staring your rock star.
If Palin has no substance.. then osamabama is an empty suit and a voice. The reason she resonates is because people can identify more with a hockey mom and small town mayor and gun owner than with some slick chicago lawyer and "organizer" who goes into the ghetto and starts a bunch of welfare programs that end up in corruption and making the area worse.
No.. I am not for welfare. I am against.. it would be hard to get rid of at this point.. it was a mistake.. just as looking the other way at illegals has created a problem that will cause great pain for many no matter how it is solved.
The "caring socialism" creates the problems.. then asks.. "what can you do?" about the mess they have created.
Welfare has created a mess that will take decades to fix even if we started now. We have created a poor and dependent class with 3 or more generations of welfare dependent families.
We should be ashamed rather than trying to figure out how to "help" even more.
In this way.. and many others.. I think liberals are evil. I believe that they are destroyers of hope and opportunity and they really deserve to have their elitist smug butts kicked.
lazs
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Rock,
Would more money help? It never has in the past, you can tell that because now they want more.
I can only say for what I've seen. The kids I teach are all titleI, that means their parents all either below poverty line or workingpoor. I hear them talk about government cheese like it was rib-eye steak, or bologna like it was prime rib. I have a 1/2 sister who has been living off ovt here whole life, mind of an 8 yo, health problems and the likes, I know for certain her daughters lived off govt cheese and rice and the likes into their teen years when I let them come live with me and fed them properly. I don't like havving to pay for people abusing the system, but that goes for every branch of government, like I said earlier, defense contractors charging $195 for a hammer and such, it's all relative, and there will always be crooks and users. I'd rather see the kids eating though.
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I would also like to add...
skyrock.. do you know how many people "starved to death" during the great depression in the United States.. we will not count those who were insane or lost in the wilderness.. just those who starved to death because they were poor and there was no welfare.
The exact same amount would starve today if we got rid of welfare... plus.. they might even cut the birth rate to one or less per non working "family".
lazs
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you want the goverment
and tax payers to pay for the irresponsiblity of others??
Who will then? let them die by starvation? I am willing to bet that you don't have an answer just always blame welfare on all the woes of our nation. We pay other countries billions in aid because of their irresponsibility, yet let our own citizen children die of malnutrition because of deadbeat parents?
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Here is the Troopergate memo itself:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/trooperletter20080910.pdf
If a memo like this surfaced for Obama, it would be the end of his run and he would fall 20 points in the poll. Palin - not so much. I like the end of the memo where the attorney warns her to watch out for wolves.
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skyrock.. why don't the fathers of these kids get a job? it would seem that with both parents working at even a minimum wage job.. or two jobs each.. they would indeed be able to afford rib eye steak like...
Well like the welfare moms here in front of me who load the cart with steak and ho hos and chips and soda and every crap snack item in the store and then pay for it with a credit card.. the 'credit card' is just a version of food stamps...
The reason they use a card now is because we don't want to embarrass them when they are pigging out at the store on our dime.. we want to make sure that welfare is as attractive to as many young women as possible so that they will breed more socialists.
lazs
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So, if people who are to socially malfunctioned to be stable enough to feed themselves have children, what do we do with the children they produce?
Like I've said before, liberals are the nicest people; they'll give you the shirt off someone elses back.
It is not the job of my government to dictate charity. However not only do you condone state mandated charity, but you will use it to reinforce and encourage what you have admitted is "malfunctioned" behavior.
Abortion is murder.
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dos.. I think most of us will see that the trooper was indeed "a grave danger" to her family and that is what we will see.. we have families in the red states.
She won't fall in the polls. the "memo" looks odd.
lazs
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skyrock.. please be a little honest.. you are in a panic just like every other liberal over Palin out rock staring your rock star.
lazs
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If you havent guessed by my past postings, I am a supporter of some democratic causes, just as I am a supporter of some republican causes. I do like to see the conservs blow a gasket trying to get their posts in my threads! :aok
I am pro-"catchnet"/limited welfare, pro-choice, on the dems side, and low taxes, states rights(to an extent), and pro-gun on the repub side.
Have watched you, toad, ripsnort, and the likes over the last days/years always call me liberal, yet I am not true liberal. Have been called commie liberal, yet love and live for freedom. So, call me what you want, I will be voting for whats right. :aok
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"socially malfunctioned"? what the hell does that mean?
I think you mean.. turned into worthless scum by socialism don't you ?
lazs
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Like I've said before, liberals are the nicest people; they'll give you the shirt off someone elses back.
It is not the job of my government to dictate charity. However not only do you condone state mandated charity, but you will use it to reinforce and encourage what you have admitted is "malfunctioned" behavior.
Abortion is murder.
Don't dodge the question like a coward, what responsibility as an american do you have towards starving american children?
You seem so insulted that part of your tax money helps feed starving children, so how do you feel about part of your tax money being used right now to feed starving IRAQi children?
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Who will then? let them die by starvation? I am willing to bet that you don't have an answer just always blame welfare on all the woes of our nation. We pay other countries billions in aid because of their irresponsibility, yet let our own citizen children die of malnutrition because of deadbeat parents?
Look no one in this country dies from malnutrition..I don't care what you say.there are two many people
in this country will to help these people.I know of Churches(the ones that god hating liberals slam constantly)
that take people in, feed them cloth them. My uncle goes down to the free store every week and takes food
from restaurants and bakery's that have a surplus.
It kills me when I'm in the grocery store and see people on welfare getting steaks and crab legs when I can't afford that
sort of food. Essentially I'm the one paying for their high dollar taste in food.
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skyrock. if the welfare state is "whats right" to you.. if public schools without vouchers is "right" to you.. then I don't need to define you at all.
Please tell me if you can what you are voting for that is "right".
As for Palin.. I just like the fact that she is more like the people I would identify with than some slick chicago lawyer who votes 100% of the time with ted kennedy and 50 year old liberal socialist worn out ideas.
He is about change alright.. a huge shift to the left is change but.. the ideas are ted kennedy old.
lazs
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"socially malfunctioned"? what the hell does that mean?
not stable enough to feed tehir own children.
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I can only say for what I've seen. The kids I teach are all titleI, that means their parents all either below poverty line or workingpoor. I hear them talk about government cheese like it was rib-eye steak, or bologna like it was prime rib. I have a 1/2 sister who has been living off ovt here whole life, mind of an 8 yo, health problems and the likes, I know for certain her daughters lived off govt cheese and rice and the likes into their teen years when I let them come live with me and fed them properly. I don't like havving to pay for people abusing the system, but that goes for every branch of government, like I said earlier, defense contractors charging $195 for a hammer and such, it's all relative, and there will always be crooks and users. I'd rather see the kids eating though.
Rock,
I cannot answer to what you have seen, but I do beleive it is as you have seen. I do like this debate, but if we canned the Military or any other department it would not change the fact or how these chrildren are treated. The money would go to other earmarks. The question is what should be done. How is it going to be fixed. So let see if we can come up with an answer. Money is really not the answer as I see it, but how it is used and passed out to those that REALLY need it, is the way to look at it. I know, more government oversite and programs, but it this the answer? Who can we trust with our tax dollars?
I remember in school, when as a class we were getting a bit wild the teacher would call in the Princable. This is what is needed in Washington is someone to come in with a paddle and get everyone to start paying attention and get to work. Is that McCain, Obama or any of the others? NO none of them will be able to do that.
Do you have an idea?
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Don't dodge the question like a coward, what responsibility as an american do you have towards starving american children?
You seem so insulted that part of your tax money helps feed starving children, so how do you feel about part of your tax money being used right now to feed starving IRAQi children?
THEIR ARE NO STARVING CHILDREN IN OUR COUNTRY!!!!
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As an American citizen and as a human.. I have the responsibility to not create a welfare class of people.. to not enable and encourage a life of dependence and misery.
Socialism has created a mess and now you ask how I should clean it up? It will not be easy.. you have created a class that has no skills except breeding and working the system for more.
lazs
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THEIR ARE NO STARVING CHILDREN IN OUR COUNTRY!!!!
Bad Kaw!
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It kills me when I'm in the grocery store and see people on welfare getting steaks and crab legs when I can't afford that
sort of food.
Kaw I understand exactly that feeling. Working in low-income areas, I can tell you that is an exception and not the rule.
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Rock,
I cannot answer to what you have seen, but I do beleive it is as you have seen. I do like this debate, but if we canned the Military or any other department it would not change the fact or how these chrildren are treated. The money would go to other earmarks. The question is what should be done. How is it going to be fixed. So let see if we can come up with an answer. Money is really not the answer as I see it, but how it is used and passed out to those that REALLY need it, is the way to look at it. I know, more government oversite and programs, but it this the answer? Who can we trust with our tax dollars?
I remember in school, when as a class we were getting a bit wild the teacher would call in the Princable. This is what is needed in Washington is someone to come in with a paddle and get everyone to start paying attention and get to work. Is that McCain, Obama or any of the others? NO none of them will be able to do that.
Do you have an idea?
This is a good approach, it is how I see it. I dont trust any of the m with my tax dollars, but unlike some of the haters/conservatives that would let a child starve to prove a point about a party, I look at it from a more realistic perspective. My nieces lived of welfare food for 15 years of their lives. I know it was greatly needed by them. I dont know who will be the person to get things straight, hopefully it will happen.
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THEIR ARE NO STARVING CHILDREN IN OUR COUNTRY!!!!
I would laugh, but I think you are serious.
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"not stable enough to feed tehir own children."
Oh.. this is getting good... how did they become that way and why are more and more of them joining the ranks every day.
Put out bird feeders in your yard. keep em stocked.. see how it works. once you have flocks and flocks of birds who don't even know how to do anything but breed and eat..
quit stocking the feeders.
You created the problem.
No one starved before welfare.. the rate of illigitimate births was low.. now.. even with your pro abortion stance.. it is ten times higher and going higher every year.
Use your head for something other than a place for your hat.
lazs
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Socialism has created a mess and now you ask how I should clean it up? It will not be easy.. you have created a class that has no skills except breeding and working the system for more.
lazs
We have never been a socialist country, just a country that saw it's own citizens jumping out of windows because their children were starving to death and they had no jobs to feed them. Now, we have a broke catch net, and all you spew is hate and political rhetoric.
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No one starved before welfare..
lazs
I would laugh but I think you are serious.
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skyrock.. please show me the stats on how many people starved to death before welfare and now. While you are at it.. show me the illigitimacy rates for both times.
"we never had socialism"??? what the hell do you think your screwed up welfare system is then?
I am saying that it has made things worse.. you are not saying anything to disprove that.. you are proving my point by showing all the misery it has produced.
I do see where you are coming from tho.. you are a teacher.. you are used to such convoluted thinking.. your ilk has destroyed education in this country and all you can do is scream that we throw more money at it.
You made toast out of the school systems and then ask what I am gonna do to fix it.
I would get rid of welfare slowly step by step (and add vouchers to the school system)
First step would be workfare. they can drag their fat bellybutton to the city parks and streets and clean up the place.
Next.. I would not pay for any child born out of wedlock past the first.
I would put the shame back in getting welfare instead of the pride too.. no more credit cards.. a big 8x10 dayglow food stamp booklet and a welfare isle at every store where only nutritious foods could be bought,
lazs
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Skyrock....if you think that Americans have a responsibility to feed children, do they also have the responsibility to take crappy foods away from them?
I mean junk food is bad for their health...if I see a kid woofing down some Twinkies and a Coke, should I stop them from eating it for the greater good?
(cue up the "I would laugh but I think you are serious." response)
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What ever happened to being neighborly? What ever happened to volunteering to help someone in need?
Laz....you cannot say that you have never benefited from gov't program.
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Don't dodge the question like a coward, what responsibility as an american do you have towards starving american children?
You seem so insulted that part of your tax money helps feed starving children, so how do you feel about part of your tax money being used right now to feed starving IRAQi children?
Most definately if the gubment allowed me to keep some of the estimated 50% - 60% of my HARD EARNED INCOME that they take away from me every year I would donate even more than I do now to the cause of MY CHOICE.
Americans and conservatives are not the heartless priklers you make them out to be. We don't give as much because, thanx to our gubment we're already stretched to the max. Plus, many are less anxious to give when they see that gubment doing it for them.
As far as Iraq goes, we as a nation have an obligation to fix what we have broken.
Abortion is murder.
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or maybe... should I do everything in my power to make sure that before someone becomes a parent that they have the skills and resources to at least make a fair shot at raising that kid instead of just telling them "congrats.. you won the baby lotto.. sit home and enjoy and reel in the "free" stuff."
many are using babies as a way to get out of the crap welfare house they were raised in.
You liberal socialists are creating the problem and you want me to somehow clean it up without hurting anyones feelings.
you are the merchants of misery and should be flogged.
lazs
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What ever happened to being neighborly? What ever happened to volunteering to help someone in need?
Laz....you cannot say that you have never benefited from gov't program.
That's not the point. You're once more trolling the demo party line rather than arguing the real issues. You're no better than all the dilettante MSM anchors repeating all the retarded impertinent gossip that'll best grab ears but not brains. You're part of the anti american problem, the problem of divising america between two bullpoop parties rather than seeing to the heart of the matter and getting things done constructively, efficiently, impartialy.
You're a masking lemming.
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twenty fo.. I will take every cent I can back from the government that stole it from me. I would rather not tho. I would rather they just not take it in the first place.
Besides the huge amount of my money that I will never get back that they have stolen tho... I have given more to people and helped more people than I bet you could even imagine.
I will not watch a person starve who does not deserve it.. I will not enable people tho.
You are creating the problem and are just too blind or stupid to see it.
Do as I ask and look up the US before welfare and see how bad it was for families and kids. then look at what you and your ilk have created and tell me with a straight face that you have the answer.
lazs
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twenty fo.. I will take every cent I can back from the government that stole it from me. I would rather not tho. I would rather they just not take it in the first place.
lazs
You were overpaid in the first place.
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skyrock.. please show me the stats on how many people starved to death before welfare and now. While you are at it.. show me the illigitimacy rates for both times.
"we never had socialism"??? what the hell do you think your screwed up welfare system is then?
I am saying that it has made things worse.. you are not saying anything to disprove that.. you are proving my point by showing all the misery it has produced.
I do see where you are coming from tho.. you are a teacher.. you are used to such convoluted thinking.. your ilk has destroyed education in this country and all you can do is scream that we throw more money at it.
You made toast out of the school systems and then ask what I am gonna do to fix it.
I would get rid of welfare slowly step by step (and add vouchers to the school system)
First step would be workfare. they can drag their fat bellybutton to the city parks and streets and clean up the place.
Next.. I would not pay for any child born out of wedlock past the first.
I would put the shame back in getting welfare instead of the pride too.. no more credit cards.. a big 8x10 dayglow food stamp booklet and a welfare isle at every store where only nutritious foods could be bought,
lazs
You are either non-realistic, or a nazi, which is it?
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You were overpaid in the first place.
Yet more partisan crap. You want to know what's wrong with all these roadkill political debates? Pertinent, factual arguments take a back seat to partisan face-saving roadkill. Debate moderators censor according to their bias; public debates are reduced to meaningless tabloid roadkill; etc.. nothing gets done and everyone cheers at the token stare-downs.
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I would laugh, but I think you are serious.
Laugh all you want...show me where some child has died in the U.S from starvation...come on,
one newspaper article,anything, show me one child that has died because of starvation..prove me wrong!!
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You are either non-realistic, or a nazi, which is it?
Nazis were gone in ~'46. If there's something wrong with Lazs' pov, it'll only be explicitely so when it's explicitely pointed out. So let's hear it. Specificaly, what's wrong with what he's saying? Crowd pleasing ridicule and caricaturing isn't going to sub for cold hard facts. Let's hear em... Settle this once and for all. Beating around the bush is a waste of time!
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What ever happened to being neighborly? What ever happened to volunteering to help someone in need?
There is nothing wrong with that thought, but the Government should NOT force me to be neighborly and help someone in need if I don't want to, and taking my hard earned money and throwing it into some wellfare program, they are forcing me.
How are they forcing me? Because if I don't pay those taxes with the money I worked hard for I get punished, not the lazy SOB sitting on their couch in a government funded HUD home that's doing nothing but punching out as many kids as they can to get more of my hard earned money from the government.
You want to be neighborly and help those people out, feel free to do so with YOUR money, but stop demanding that I pay "my fair share" for a solution I don't agree with.
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You were overpaid in the first place.
That says it all in why you have no credability. A person works for a living has much of it confiscated by the government and he is over paid.
A person that could be out working making a living and contributing to our society, and instead lives off the public teet is a victim. :rolleyes:
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...you want the government
and tax payers to pay for the irresponsibility of others??
Theses people should become Corporations then they will get the government bail out for irresponsibility.
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Theses people should become Corporations then they will get the government bail out for irresponsibility.
:rofl g1 and sooo true
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There is nothing wrong with that thought, but the Government should NOT force me to be neighborly and help someone in need if I don't want to, and taking my hard earned money and throwing it into some wellfare program, they are forcing me.
How are they forcing me? Because if I don't pay those taxes with the money I worked hard for I get punished, not the lazy SOB sitting on their couch in a government funded HUD home that's doing nothing but punching out as many kids as they can to get more of my hard earned money from the government.
You want to be neighborly and help those people out, feel free to do so with YOUR money, but stop demanding that I pay "my fair share" for a solution I don't agree with.
Then move.
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Then move.
:lol Well thought out response
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Then move.
Why should I move? I was born here. I'm an American citizen that has fought for this country, and served my country for 20 years. I work my butt off to EARN what I have, so tell me again why I should be REQUIRED to pay for some lazy POS to sit on their butts doing nothing?
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Better yet TwentyFo or 50 Cent or whatever the hell you call yourself out on da street, how much do you get for your wellfare check? How much of MY money do you collect every month?
You seem to be so much in support of wellfare that I can only conclude you get a nice fat gubment check every month. You support slave reperations too don't you? How much of the $60,000 I earn a year working hard at my job do you think your entitled too?
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Why should I move? I was born here. I'm an American citizen that has fought for this country, and served my country for 20 years. I work my butt off to EARN what I have, so tell me again why I should be REQUIRED to pay for some lazy POS to sit on their butts doing nothing?
This us what Obammamma wants to do...tax the rich and give to the poor...its a fact!
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Laugh all you want...show me where some child has died in the U.S from starvation...come on,
one newspaper article,anything, show me one child that has died because of starvation..prove me wrong!!
Starving, is starving, mal-nurished, or better yet, hungry. To answer your quesion more thoroughly, stop welfare tomorrow and within 1 month there would be civil unrest or a massive epidemic of starvation.
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or maybe... should I do everything in my power to make sure that before someone becomes a parent that they have the skills and resources to at least make a fair shot at raising that kid instead of just telling them "congrats.. you won the baby lotto.. sit home and enjoy and reel in the "free" stuff."
many are using babies as a way to get out of the crap welfare house they were raised in.
You liberal socialists are creating the problem and you want me to somehow clean it up without hurting anyones feelings.
you are the merchants of misery and should be flogged.
lazs
I am saying that your staunch republican stance on every issue makes you sound like a Nazi. "F everyone if they aren't just like me." Well, there are going to be a certain percent of the population that will never be able to be normal, work normal, or for that matte, act normal, and they will probably end up being a parent that can't take care of their child properly. So, you think because that person isn't able to be normal, their child should just die? wouldn't that be abortion by indifference?
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Theses people should become Corporations then they will get the government bail out for irresponsibility.
:rofl
and Lazs would be there supporting them. :rofl
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Starving, is starving, mal-nurished, or better yet, hungry. To answer your quesion more thoroughly, stop welfare tomorrow and within 1 month there would be civil unrest or a massive epidemic of starvation.
Hmmm....Skyrock, I would add that they will fight, steal, or burn-down and loot before they let themselves' starve. (Think Rodney King riots' here...)
For a lot of you guys' arguing this, I would say that for better or for worse, the U.S. will more than likely have a socialist component for the rest of it's existence in it's current form, due to it's ever-increasing population and the almost constant flux of it's key/core industries' and other sources of employment.
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Because if I don't pay those taxes with the money I worked hard for I get punished, not the lazy SOB sitting on their couch in a government funded HUD home that's doing nothing but punching out as many kids as they can to get more of my hard earned money from the government.
You must not know where the bulk of your taxes go.
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Starving, is starving, mal-nurished, or better yet, hungry. To answer your quesion more thoroughly, stop welfare tomorrow and within 1 month there would be civil unrest or a massive epidemic of starvation.
Cmon you know that's not the real problem here. The problem is welfare mismanagement, and mismanagement in every other bloated govt agency. That's where the taxpayer funds are wasted - where the leaks are that must be plugged. It's obvious to any guy with average IQ and a minimum of education (homemade or public alike, duh) that someone who's completely helpless ought to deserve help. That's the minimum humane thing to do. Just like those condemned to death get their death injection with sterilized needles... The threshold is between people who can't help themselves and people who can. So the next question is who is "helpless"? Having all but the willpower to get your bellybutton up and into a job and earning some masking cash like you deserve to after a good hard day at work.. that's already a good starting point for defining the difference between helpless and not. That's where the debate ought to be happening.... Not some bullpoop sounbyte about "lipstick on pigs", or 300k$ prospective first lady acceptance-speech-ceremony oufits, or skin color, or similarity between one's name and Osama bin Laden's.
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You must not know where the bulk of your taxes go.
If 1 cent of my taxes goes into wellfare it's too much in my opinion.
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Hmmm....Skyrock, I would add that they will fight, steal, or burn-down and loot before they let themselves' starve. (Think Rodney King riots' here...)
For a lot of you guys' arguing this, I would say that for better or for worse, the U.S. will more than likely have a socialist component for the rest of it's existence in it's current form, due to it's ever-increasing population and the almost constant flux of it's key/core industries' and other sources of employment.
I agree, and we should have a safety net to prevent kids from going hungry and without health care, but it needs to be done right and be a tight ship.
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I am saying that your staunch republican stance on every issue makes you sound like a Nazi. "F everyone if they aren't just like me." Well, there are going to be a certain percent of the population that will never be able to be normal, work normal, or for that matte, act normal, and they will probably end up being a parent that can't take care of their child properly. So, you think because that person isn't able to be normal, their child should just die? wouldn't that be abortion by indifference?
You have to improve your interpretation of Lazs' individualism perspective. He isn't nazi. I have the exact same stance on individualism and I'm certainly no nazi.. Extrapolation is no more fit to firmly stand on than speculation, or thin ice.
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If 1 cent of my taxes goes into wellfare it's too much in my opinion.
Exterminate the needy?
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individualism .
Every nation in this day and age should have welfare type safety nets for its own citizens, the fact that ours is broken does not make it any less needed nor important.
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I agree, and we should have a safety net to prevent kids from going hungry and without health care, but it needs to be done right and be a tight ship.
The real problem is that it is fairly easy to exploit any holes' in the welfare systems' security, simply because of the large number of people that have to be dealt with. Technology is starting to provide some answers, but by and large, those are taking a long time to be enacted. Unfortunately, many of those measures' might include some things' which infringe on the Bill of Rights, but...with the numbers' of people that are using Government money/social systems' today, we may wind up having to implement some pretty draconian measures. The 'credit card' that Lasz has mentioned is one way. Other programs, such as WIC (Women, Infants, Children) with it's voucher system, could be another. To me, It seems' that one major failing of our current welfare system is that it's not really taking advantage of the advances made since it's inception.
BTW...Lasz mentioned that the cards' were introduced in an attempt to keep the recipients' from feeling guilty, or because of their Self-esteem. That is not the case. It's because the old Food stamp system had become a kind of second currency, that people were actually trading for other things, even including drugs off of the streets.
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welfare is a disease. it infects government, sickens the body of society.
IMHO, if a person is on welfare, his/her voting rights should be suspended.
call it a vaccine against socialism.
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Exterminate the needy?
It's called survival of the fittest. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you want to help support someone who is too lazy to work, then feel free to do so with your money, and stop wasting mine.
The Government wellfare system should be terminated. Let the local community volunteer organizations provide help based solely on donations made by people that choose to donate. Offer a tax break for those that chose to donate to those organizations and keep the money raised in the local community to help those that need it in that local community.
If the Federal Government wants to run a wellfare program then treat those wellfare recipiants just like any other federal employee. Random MANDATORY drug testing. You pop positive, your gone!!
The problem right now is there are no negative consequences for those on wellfare who break the rules. If anything the more they screw up, the more money they get.
Here is how I think Federal Wellfare should be run.
1st everyone going on wellfare is doing so by their own freedom of choice. NO ONE is forcing them to take that money so......you want the check you have to follow these rules or you loose that money FOREVER!!!!!
1. Single women going on wellfare MUST be on birth control.
2. Married people going on wellfare may only have 1 child while receiving wellfare.
3. Single males between the ages of 18-28 who are capable of passing a military physical, may only recieve wellfare for 1 year. After that they either come off wellfare forever or they MUST enlist in a branch of the armed forces or some other government service agency.
4. Random drug testing is mandatory. Test positive for a controled substance without a prescription, loose any and all benifits forever.
5. Any person on wellfare convicted of any crime other than a misdomenor such as a traffic violation, loose all benifits forever.
There are a few more but those are the biggies 'd like to see implemented. End the free ride and make them responsible for themselves. They have a choice. Follow the rules or loose your benifits.
That's not the case now. Instead when they demand more we give it to them and ask nothing in return. Sorry but I expect to get something for my money, and the ONLY thing the money being tossed at the wellfare program has gotten me is higher crime, lower property values, and a perpetual cycle of racisit hypocrits.
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welfare is a disease. it infects government, sickens the body of society.
IMHO, if a person is on welfare, his/her voting rights should be suspended.
call it a vaccine against socialism.
You might throw in that it can be manipulated into being used as a political tool as well, Hangtime.
However, if we suspend voting rights' for people on it, (which is in essence, suspending the constitution in their case) then we need to ask...What did we just do to every soldier who ever fought or died on foreign shores, who ventured forth against tyranny...? Because if we do suspend any rights to an American citizen because of their social status, then we are morally no better than any communist or fascist regime, dictator, or despot that we have ever fought. We would have sent Hundreds' of thousands of our bravest to fight and die for...what, a caste system that only allows' rights to some citizens, and none to others?
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a citizen, on the public dole for his existence, is not a 'citizen'. He's a 'subject'.
Jefferson favored the vote for property owners only... further; the folks paying for government via working and paying taxes have a right to a voice in government. And a right to exclude those who don't from voting themselves more free bread and circuses.
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welfare is a disease. it infects government, sickens the body of society.
IMHO, if a person is on welfare, his/her voting rights should be suspended.
Sounds NAZI.
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Sounds NAZI.
to the mind of a dangerous child perhaps.
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Sounds NAZI.
I suspect you haven't the first clue of what a Nazi is.
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Better yet TwentyFo or 50 Cent or whatever the hell you call yourself out on da street, how much do you get for your wellfare check? How much of MY money do you collect every month?
You seem to be so much in support of wellfare that I can only conclude you get a nice fat gubment check every month. You support slave reperations too don't you? How much of the $60,000 I earn a year working hard at my job do you think your entitled too?
I don't have time for complainers. All you do is whine about how much of your money is taken away by the government. If you don't like it, then move to another country that has no taxes. Your other option is to run for public office and change this so called injustice. If it were up to me I would take half of your salary to buy some rims for my Escalade :rofl :rofl. Then whatever was left I would buy lots and lots of drugs. Happy? You're just a complainer.
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I don't have time for complainers. All you do is whine about how much of your money is taken away by the government. If you don't like it, then move to another country that has no taxes. Complainer.
Hmm maybe you should move to a country where Johnnymac and Palin are not running for office.... Complainer.
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I don't have time for complainers. All you do is whine about how much of your money is taken away by the government. If you don't like it, then move to another country that has no taxes. Your other option is to run for public office and change this so called injustice. If it were up to me I would take half of your salary to buy some rims for my Escalade :rofl :rofl. Then whatever was left I would buy lots and lots of drugs. Happy? You're just a complainer.
I pay taxes... well over a million dollars over the course of my life at my last accounting. I served my country... wrote them a check for my life. I've come by my right to complain and vote the old fasioned way.
I suspect you've had yours 'gifted' to you by accident of birth.
Put a cork in it, freeloader.
;)
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Hmm maybe you should move to a country where Johnnymac and Palin are not running for office.... Complainer.
Great comeback. You're always way too shifty with your comebacks. You're the Mike Tyson of comebacks.
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I pay taxes... well over a million dollars over the course of my life at my last accounting. I served my country... wrote them a check for my life. I've come by my right to complain and vote the old fasioned way.
I suspect you've had yours 'gifted' to you by accident of birth.
Put a cork in it, freeloader.
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Just living the American dream off of your hard work.....Mmmmmmmmm it feels so good. Having filets and crab legs for dinner...what about you?
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You oughta get kicked out just like the rioters in france a few years ago oughta have had their citizenship revoked. And that's no #4/5 violation, it's the plain truth. You're as good as illigal immigrant leeches.
Not one of your threads or OPs have been for constructive debate.. All of them are the same pro-democrat trolling.
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By the way...what was Palin's stance (or McCains, for that matter) on Welfare reform?
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You oughta get kicked out just like the rioters in france a few years ago oughta have had their citizenship revoked. And that's no #4/5 violation, it's the plain truth. You're as good as illigal immigrant leeches.
Not one of your threads or OPs have been for constructive debate.. All of them are the same pro-democrat trolling.
Moot, none of your threads or OPs have been for constructive debate...All of them are the same pro-republican trolling.
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RRRR wrong answer. Pro constitutionalism and anti obscurantism.
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Pass the popcorn. Purse fight on the street. Nice Hijack, BTW. :salute
Moot and Frode.... :aok
The rest.... abyssmal. Not a single realistic thought or ideology. Just a bunch of good ole boys from either camp. There are some seriously deranged thoughts in this thread. <shakes head> This country is in serious trouble if this is a cross section of its' thought.
Both sides totally unrealistic. Is the 5$ a year taken from you, and given to the "welfare system" really that much? If so, I'll gladly give it back to you so you can STFU, and your opinion instantly becomes a non-factor. Is it really ok for people to live off us.... no, they should have to get up and get a job like all of us.
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I suspect you haven't the first clue of what a Nazi is.
you suspect wrong, in your eyes only poeple who meet your standards, are worhty of basic human dignity.
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Nice Hijack, BTW. :salute
thank you, <S>
:devil
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you suspect wrong, in your eyes only poeple who meet your standards, are worhty of basic human dignity.
No he was right, you have NO CLUE what a Nazi is.
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No he was right, you have NO CLUE what a Nazi is.
You know, the term 'Nazi' is a now much-overused generalization. The obvious root definition was someone who was a member of Adolph Hitlers' National-Socialist party, but today, it's used to label anyone or anything that exhibits' any kind of authoritarian tendencies. That includes anyone who would be willing to deny life, food, goods, services, aid, etc. to another. I honestly think that another term would have been more appropriate, like...calling someone a 'Stalinist' would be a fresh change. :aok
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Not going to read 7 pages of responses, but did anyone point out to the starter of this BS thread that Sarah Palin is not "Ms McCain"?
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this thread needs to be cleaned up and some members need some time off the board.
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Funny how all the conservatives in here always whine about welfare the most, yet never say anything about how it has helped our country. I can't stand hearing about someone milking the welfare system no more than anyone else who pays taxes and such, but there are worse milkers out there. Defense contractors have stolen more money than welfare milkers could ever steal. Besides, most who oppose welfare also are pro-life, so what is it? You want the children to be born, but you don't want to help take care of them if they are hungry? Blame their parents, tell them to go to work or they get nothing, then if they dont get a job, watch the children starve to death, seems to go against the Pro-life doctrine. :rolleyes:
I'd like to see a vote for or against welfare, no wriggling, either you are for it or against it as it is. It would be funny to see repubs vote yes to save their jobs. :rofl
How in the world has welfare helped the country. What by taking good people and having them waste their talents. By helping people become parasites. Good grief. I can't count the number of stories I have heard where people have gotten off of welfare and their whole life and their sould was lifted.
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By the way...what was Palin's stance (or McCains, for that matter) on Welfare reform?
http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/John_McCain_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/John_McCain_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm)
Require 40 hours work per week from welfare recipients
* McCain supports the following principles regarding healthcare: Welfare recipients should be required to spend at least 40 hours a week in a combination of work and training programs.
* Supports increased funding for child care programs.
* Supports housing assistance for low-income families.
Source: National Political Awareness Test (NPAT) Nov 7, 2004
Supports block grants, welfare-to-work, state control
* McCain supports the following principles regarding welfare issues:Support housing assistance for welfare recipients
* Provide homeless families with apartment vouchers they can use to supplement the cost of an apartment
* Continue to give states and local governments responsibility for welfare programs through block grants
* Maintain current welfare-to-work requirements in order for states to qualify for block grants
* Require that unwed teenage mothers live with a parent or guardian (if possible) and attend school to receive benefits
* Restore food stamp programs to legal immigrants
* Transfer homeless housing programs to states through block grants
* Provide continued Medicaid benefits for those welfare recipients who have moved from welfare to work
* Provide federal assistance to low-income job applicants for transportation to jobs at some distance.